Re: [313] Duh..... you said the answer right there
Good point. Incidentally, Daft Punk are tackling this with their 'Daft Club' concept - that was the idea anyway. Because the artistic community has NOT presented us a way to support them within the new context in which we exist. And the only way to change entrenched communities is via confrontation, otherwise they will prefer to exist in entropy. We will pay, we have payed in the past and we will continue to pay but they (the artistic community) have to hold out a new hat for us to support them with.
Re: [313] Duh..... you said the answer right there
- Original Message - From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: [313] Duh. you said the answer right there From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what are the general benefits to the public of copying? It sounds to me that the benefit of copying is the unimpeded sharing of information. Conceptually, this is a great idea. In practice I don't think this leaves us any way to support an artistic community. I want to emphacize this part: In practice I don't think this leaves us any way to support an artistic community. Do you know why? Because the artistic community has NOT presented us a way to support them within the new context in which we exist. And the only way to change entrenched communities is via confrontation, otherwise they will prefer to exist in entropy. We will pay, we have payed in the past and we will continue to pay but they (the artistic community) have to hold out a new hat for us to support them with. Is it really so objectionable to pay the costs we currently pay for records? I don't mean $18 for a CD at Musicland. If you're so in need of mp3's right now, is there any reason you can't encode them yourself after you purchase the record or CD? This is still relatively young - give the smaller labels a chance to respond with hosting of their own mp3s and it will come. Look at 154's example. Do you think that the folks at Delsin are not doing everything in their power to provide the world with great music and an opportunity to hear it for free, often well in advance of the release date (not downloadable incidentally) at Nortroute. Do you think they're raking it in on their record and CD sales? I'll repeat: I don't care about major labels and their exploitation of consumers. I do care about their exploitation of artists but that's a different story that we just visited last week. I really care about whether or not underground music producers can continue to support themselves via their artistic efforts. What I'm seeing argued is that we should favor the tyranny of the majority over the tyranny of the minority, when *we are the minority*. I think that's backwards. We need to quit talking about major labels and think about our little world. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - My music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Duh..... you said the answer right there
Next up would be the appreciation of what we have.. like i said before, i think the format in which we present our stuff to the world (vinyl that is) is an intricate part of our product, and the whole package, artwork, soundquality, inscriptions etc are part of the thing we make, painting on canvas is different from painting on wood, and presenting our music in a mix makes the track different from presenting it in a certain order, or as part of a specific selection. I try to make a considerable effort to present the whole deal and hope u all can appreciate it as such! It´s not for nothing that every release i do gets a 3 months delay just to get the Pole touch and the same goes for the long struggle to get the print right, find the colors for the label, even the press-release sheet gets my full attention. availability is not important for me, i agree, but that´s not arrogance, it´s just about howfar my budget stretches. I hope u can make us grow, we´ll try make it worth ur while! 154
Re: [313] Duh..... you said the answer right there
Phonopsia wrote: last week. I really care about whether or not underground music producers can continue to support themselves via their artistic efforts. What I'm seeing argued is that we should favor the tyranny of the majority over the tyranny of the minority, when *we are the minority*. I think that's backwards. We need to quit talking about major labels and think about our little world. This is a truly noble sentiment. However it has no basis in the capitalist world in which we operate. Nature is the most successful system ever created, evolution being an integral part of that. Capitalism mostly follows this design but a little quicker. Now don't start arguing about capitalism and evolution blah blah The point is the world has suddenly evolved. If your main predatory enemy has just evolved a new way to eat you, you can either sit there and whine and say hey that's not fair you can't do that or you can evolve a counter-response. That's what pushes evolution in nature and innovation in capitalist systems. As I said, it's a noble sentiment to want to protect the artists who make the music we love from the ravages of Napster (salt) but the reality is that the cat is not only out of the bag, but the cat now has a just sprouted a rocket pack on it's back, and whining at it to un-evolve isn't going to help. Tosh
Re: [313] Duh..... you said the answer right there
in reply to this all i can say u guys can just as well listen to my stuff on the wrong speed with worn out needles and make a fuzz about how incredible that experience is... it just doesn´t come close to the original product.. like u buy a van gogh at a poster shopgo for the real thing! Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09-04-2001 16:23:21 To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org (bcc: Jochem Peteri/RUB/RSG) Subject: Re: [313] Duh. you said the answer right there Phonopsia wrote: last week. I really care about whether or not underground music producers can continue to support themselves via their artistic efforts. What I'm seeing argued is that we should favor the tyranny of the majority over the tyranny of the minority, when *we are the minority*. I think that's backwards. We need to quit talking about major labels and think about our little world. This is a truly noble sentiment. However it has no basis in the capitalist world in which we operate. Nature is the most successful system ever created, evolution being an integral part of that. Capitalism mostly follows this design but a little quicker. Now don't start arguing about capitalism and evolution blah blah The point is the world has suddenly evolved. If your main predatory enemy has just evolved a new way to eat you, you can either sit there and whine and say hey that's not fair you can't do that or you can evolve a counter-response. That's what pushes evolution in nature and innovation in capitalist systems. As I said, it's a noble sentiment to want to protect the artists who make the music we love from the ravages of Napster (salt) but the reality is that the cat is not only out of the bag, but the cat now has a just sprouted a rocket pack on it's back, and whining at it to un-evolve isn't going to help. Tosh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
