Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. And Montreux is the name of this famous city in switzerland where the Montreux Jazz festival takes place every year since 1967, runs by Claude Nobs, ex AR at Warner. Makes sense to me that they removed the name Montreux for the Jazz festival in Detroit. From: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:39:30 -0800 at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, xx xx wrote: If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. Or if you're an excellent speller. I won the spelling bee in 7th grade but this was a bit ago. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
Actually, Ms. Marvin's 'in' with the city in getting the DEMF approved, was due in a great part for her 'marketing' skills in obtaining media and corporate sponsorships for the Montreux Detroit Jazz Festival. Perhaps this is a cycle?...just a suggestion ;) I agree that it is a shame how the jazzfest is now represented and believe that Derrick is perhaps trying to prevent the same from happening to us. The difference between the jazzfest and the DEMF would appear to be that there are a multitude of small independent businesses and labels that have kept electronic dance music from Detroit alive in the global environment and playing field and indeed made the DEMF a viable consideration in the first place. As long as we are not representing ourselves in any more than a creative capacity with the DEMF and not in the hardcore business aspect of itit is my contention that they will attempt to marginalize, market segment, brand, slice and dice it up any way they can (most likely...distastefully) to make a profit. I believe there WAS ALWAYS a happy medium in balancing the corporate $$ and marketing of this music to mutual success---with everybody winning---I'm just not sure whether one single person should be in charge of making those decisions for an entire community. Glad that Carol has a selection committee of our peers this year. She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. I think perhaps this is what Derrick is correct in standing up for. The 'DEMF' name is far more representative of a community than it is a product to be bought and sold. Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. -humbly offered You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
This is exactly correct, how it should be, but how can we go about doing this? As for me, I am clueless when it comes to altering corporate business into a democratic manner. There are alternate ways to go about doing this, besides what Derrick May is doing. laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/02 14:58 PM She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. _ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
so could one copyright the acronym DEMF insteam of detroit electronic music festival or would the lawyers shred that in court? totally off topic, -Joe - Original Message - From: Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@HYPERREAL.ORG Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
