RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
Im no expert, but I'd imagine techincally there is no difference between doing this and just pressing two different records at different speeds - the actual tracks are independent. peace, Marc -Original Message- From: Williams, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2002 11:09 To: 313 (E-mail) Subject: (313) 45/33 cutting is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of vinyl? i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track that sounds good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think it is that way around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may be more obvious than it seems, cheers, h Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds right, but then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be played at 33. That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is 45 and the other 33? Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at a time, so it makes no difference... Cheers, Tom This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
I don't think its quite that simple since (I think) a big metal plate is produced for each side of the record and then this is used to press the vinyl. I don't see why you couldn't press the whole thing at 33rpm effectively but have a track recorded as pitched down so that it would be slow at 33 but correct at 45. (if that makes sense to anyone ill be surprised) I think I know the lost record youre on about I think its lost 4. first side has one track at 33, the flip the first track is 33, the second is really slow but sounds normal at 45 :-Original Message- :From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:14 AM :To: 'Williams, Howard'; '313 (E-mail)' :Subject: RE: (313) 45/33 cutting : : :Im no expert, but I'd imagine techincally there is no difference between :doing this and just pressing two different records at different speeds - :the :actual tracks are independent. : :peace, :Marc : : : -Original Message- : From: Williams, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 15 October 2002 11:09 : To: 313 (E-mail) : Subject: (313) 45/33 cutting : : : is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of : vinyl? : : i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track : that sounds : good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think : it is that way : around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may : be more obvious : than it seems, : : cheers, : : h : : Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 : To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], : 313@hyperreal.org : From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview : Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds : right, but : then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be : played at 33. : : That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) : : Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is : 45 and the : other : 33? : : Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at : a time, so it : makes no difference... : : Cheers, : : Tom : : This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the : intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary : material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal : privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained : or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended : recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any : attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. : : :--- :--- :This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the :designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient :of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, :distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This :communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded :as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial :product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official :statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to :be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this :information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as :such. All information is subject to change without notice. :
RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
i think the one i'm thinking of is on Lost Rec #1, but there could well be two instancesLost 4 is the one with the Kim Bilir tune that is slow and hugely filtered? stuff that you used to hear in the second room at Lost -Original Message- From: Neil Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2002 11:20 To: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Williams, Howard'; '313 (E-mail)' Subject: RE: (313) 45/33 cutting I don't think its quite that simple since (I think) a big metal plate is produced for each side of the record and then this is used to press the vinyl. I don't see why you couldn't press the whole thing at 33rpm effectively but have a track recorded as pitched down so that it would be slow at 33 but correct at 45. (if that makes sense to anyone ill be surprised) I think I know the lost record youre on about I think its lost 4. first side has one track at 33, the flip the first track is 33, the second is really slow but sounds normal at 45 :-Original Message- :From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:14 AM :To: 'Williams, Howard'; '313 (E-mail)' :Subject: RE: (313) 45/33 cutting : : :Im no expert, but I'd imagine techincally there is no difference between :doing this and just pressing two different records at different speeds - :the :actual tracks are independent. : :peace, :Marc : : : -Original Message- : From: Williams, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 15 October 2002 11:09 : To: 313 (E-mail) : Subject: (313) 45/33 cutting : : : is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of : vinyl? : : i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track : that sounds : good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think : it is that way : around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may : be more obvious : than it seems, : : cheers, : : h : : Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 : To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], : 313@hyperreal.org : From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview : Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds : right, but : then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be : played at 33. : : That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) : : Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is : 45 and the : other : 33? : : Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at : a time, so it : makes no difference... : : Cheers, : : Tom : : This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the : intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary : material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal : privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained : or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended : recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any : attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. : : :--- :--- :This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the :designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient :of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, :distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This :communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded :as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial :product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official :statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to :be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this :information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as :such. All information is subject to change without notice. : This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
Sure you can do that. NSC did all kind of things with it. I have a +8 record (i think it is a fuse track) with one track on 33rpm and next one running from the inside out on 45rpm. is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of vinyl? i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track that sounds good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think it is that way around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may be more obvious than it seems, cheers, h Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds right, but then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be played at 33. That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is 45 and the other 33? Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at a time, so it makes no difference... Cheers, Tom This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
that's cleared that up then! thanks, h -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2002 11:25 To: 'Williams, Howard'; 313 (E-mail) Subject: RE: (313) 45/33 cutting Sure you can do that. NSC did all kind of things with it. I have a +8 record (i think it is a fuse track) with one track on 33rpm and next one running from the inside out on 45rpm. is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of vinyl? i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track that sounds good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think it is that way around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may be more obvious than it seems, cheers, h Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds right, but then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be played at 33. That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is 45 and the other 33? Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at a time, so it makes no difference... Cheers, Tom This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
RE: (313) 45/33 cutting
The problem wouldn't be in the prssing of the record, it'd be in the cutting of the lacquer. The mastering engineer woul have to change the tools cut-rate, but it is possible to have a 45 and a 33 on the same side. To make things less complicated for the sound engineer, all he would have to do is pitch the track up or down before it is cut, then the engineer wouldn't have to change the tool's feed-rate between tracks... On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Neil Wallace wrote: I don't think its quite that simple since (I think) a big metal plate is produced for each side of the record and then this is used to press the vinyl. I don't see why you couldn't press the whole thing at 33rpm effectively but have a track recorded as pitched down so that it would be slow at 33 but correct at 45. (if that makes sense to anyone ill be surprised) I think I know the lost record youre on about I think its lost 4. first side has one track at 33, the flip the first track is 33, the second is really slow but sounds normal at 45 :-Original Message- :From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:14 AM :To: 'Williams, Howard'; '313 (E-mail)' :Subject: RE: (313) 45/33 cutting : : :Im no expert, but I'd imagine techincally there is no difference between :doing this and just pressing two different records at different speeds - :the :actual tracks are independent. : :peace, :Marc : : : -Original Message- : From: Williams, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: 15 October 2002 11:09 : To: 313 (E-mail) : Subject: (313) 45/33 cutting : : : is it possible to cut a 45 and 33 track on the same side of a piece of : vinyl? : : i ask because i have a Lost Recordings side which has a track : that sounds : good at both, but the other plays at 45 no question (i think : it is that way : around re 45/33). i just woke up, so the answer to this may : be more obvious : than it seems, : : cheers, : : h : : Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:03:07 +0100 : To: Data General [EMAIL PROTECTED], :313@hyperreal.org : From: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: (313) Metro Area interview : Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : for the a-side we are told to listen at 45rpm, which sounds : right, but : then the b-side sounds way more like it's supposed to be : played at 33. : : That'll be because it is supposed to be played at 33... :) : : Is it possible to make vinyl in such a way that one side is : 45 and the : other : 33? : : Yeah - the sides are cut independently of one another, one at : a time, so it : makes no difference... : : Cheers, : : Tom : : This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the : intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary : material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal : privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained : or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended : recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any : attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. : : :--- :--- :This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the :designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient :of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, :distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This :communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded :as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial :product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official :statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to :be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this :information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as :such. All information is subject to change without notice. : T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) 45/33 cutting
Sure you can do that. NSC did all kind of things with it. I have a +8 record (i think it is a fuse track) with one track on 33rpm and next one running from the inside out on 45rpm. john tejada music for doubles (b-side) has also a track on 33 and one on 45 rpm. (or was it another tejada record?) Cheers, Maarten
