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that's interesting. i tried to post something last nite on this topic but failed. my post was prompted by this comment by Jochem: I love vinyl, and expressed that view in the past quite explicitly but were coming to a point where we just cant afford it anymore. I really hope there´s a way to make money out of mp3´s, for now competing with soulseek seems like madness so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? oh yeah before any kind of flaming goes on i love vinyl too but if artists make no money then maybe other means need investigating? robin... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spotted this on littledetroit.net it's a digital distribution service, and by the looks of things, they're looking for labels to distribute. don't know anything about it, possibly of use to some peeps though? http://foryourears.com/ thread... http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2639 Alex
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I agree. While the larger distributers have an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to supplying vinyl, we smaller labels need a means to supply new music on vinyl as well. If there is a growing market for digital format(which there obviously is) then we should take advantage of it. One hand can actually help the other. Vinyl will always be here just as digital. Mike From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) digital distribution Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:08:46 +0100 that's interesting. i tried to post something last nite on this topic but failed. my post was prompted by this comment by Jochem: I love vinyl, and expressed that view in the past quite explicitly but were coming to a point where we just cant afford it anymore. I really hope there´s a way to make money out of mp3´s, for now competing with soulseek seems like madness so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? oh yeah before any kind of flaming goes on i love vinyl too but if artists make no money then maybe other means need investigating? robin... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: spotted this on littledetroit.net it's a digital distribution service, and by the looks of things, they're looking for labels to distribute. don't know anything about it, possibly of use to some peeps though? http://foryourears.com/ thread... http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2639 Alex _ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp
RE: (313) digital distribution
so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? A lot of labels have seen a decreas of sales due to p2p networks. And since a lot of small labels were already runing on sales that barely coverd the pressing costs, and maybe made them some money, now this decreas has pushed them over the treshold, and they are now only loosing money.
RE: (313) digital distribution
-Original Message- From: Jernej Marusic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24. maj 2004 16:45 To: 'robin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) digital distribution so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? A lot of labels have seen a decrees of sales due to p2p networks. And since a lot of small labels were already running on sales that barely covered the pressing costs, and maybe made them some money, now this decrees has pushed them over the threshold, and they are now only loosing money. Dman, I forgot to finish my mail before pressing send :) By moving to mp3 (or something similar) small labels would save the money, that would otherwise go into pressing vinyl, and maybe make some profit again. But I definitely don't like this kind of future very much, as I love to have physical record to hold in hands and look at the artwork... Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex
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instead of blaming mp3, p2p networks etc one should look at the entire situation. i really hate slsk and the likes but i dislike the idea of putting them in charge for the overall economy situation. don't forget that technology is always improving and the music industry wasn't / isn't really aware of that and even fights against new developments. the questions are: how much more music is available on the market these days compared to 10 years back (even unexperienced computer users can make halfway standable music nowadays) and is there enough money available to buy everything that exists? would the p2p network users dare buying everything they download? to which extend are p2p networks even marketing tools? i know quite many people who download music first and then buy it, others wouldn't even know about certain titles without files sharing services. 10 years ago i went to my record dealer and was aware of the new releases, there was a person telling me what's hot and fresh. today there are x times more record labels, no personal contact to the dealer anymore (right, there's no reasonable vinyl dealer in one of germanys biggest towns anymore) - how in hell can i trace what's going on besides checking the charts where dj's only care about their own releases or the stuff from artists they know? i think it won't get any better while the industry keeps whining about mp3's and p2p networks. ronny Jernej Marusic wrote: so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? A lot of labels have seen a decreas of sales due to p2p networks. And since a lot of small labels were already runing on sales that barely coverd the pressing costs, and maybe made them some money, now this decreas has pushed them over the treshold, and they are now only loosing money.
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I don't think you have to worry about vinyl disappearing for a long while. Mike From: Jernej Marusic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jernej Marusic' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'robin' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) digital distribution Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:49:07 +0200 -Original Message- From: Jernej Marusic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24. maj 2004 16:45 To: 'robin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) digital distribution so to what extent is soulseek having an influence (for better or worse) on the move from distribution of underground music on vinyl to distribution of the music via other means (ie. mp3)? A lot of labels have seen a decrees of sales due to p2p networks. And since a lot of small labels were already running on sales that barely covered the pressing costs, and maybe made them some money, now this decrees has pushed them over the threshold, and they are now only loosing money. Dman, I forgot to finish my mail before pressing send :) By moving to mp3 (or something similar) small labels would save the money, that would otherwise go into pressing vinyl, and maybe make some profit again. But I definitely don't like this kind of future very much, as I love to have physical record to hold in hands and look at the artwork... Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex _ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
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Hi, By moving to mp3 (or something similar) small labels would save the money, that would otherwise go into pressing vinyl, and maybe make some profit again. But I definitely don't like this kind of future very much, as I love to have physical record to hold in hands and look at the artwork... I think that it has a lot to do with how much the digital lifestyle takes hold globally it is almost always the market that determines the success of the rate of adoption of technology or any other consumerables IMHO... there is a growing offering of high quality mp3 music, therefore generating a greater demand for it. this in turn creates demand for players and final scratch like thingies i find it interesting that in the US, where the digital lifestyle has more of a foothold in mainstream culture, online commercial mp3 sites were extremely successful from day 1, meaning that the US populace have no qualms with paying X amount for digital music. it would seem that the US market is ready for this type of services and generally accept music that is delivered via un-conventional channels like the web...whether they are receptive to underground independent electronic and mot music is a whole different issue... i for one am in favour of netlabels and the such (i am currently printing the first release of my vinyl label and am at the same time also setting up a netlabel...) and i understand the music industry's (musicians record co.s) worries about IPR and royalty issues etc. But i feel that we are only at the beginning of something that may revolutionise the way ppl buy and listen to music and that intiatives like the Creative Commons license (http://creativecommons.org/) are a leap in the right direction. In the end i think that it really IS the market that decides whethere something like this will remain a fringe underground netscene or develop into a whole new paradigm in marketing music. I have seen several netlabel releases by established musicians that release their music on vinyl and cd313's own Dennis DeSantis also has some (excellent) releases on the Thinner label, maybe he can explain his views on netlabels and his goals in releasing non-commerciable music in mp3 format. interesting links: www.scene.org - THE portal for the 'electronic art scene' (sic) www.textone.org - high quality netlabel and interesting articles and forum www.thinner.com - high quality netlabel and good links cheers, fab
