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I know it seems weird but... maybe that is exactly what you have to do. Musicians have often had to do similar, for years. Information only has so much value, but a great performance can be more valuable because it can't be reproduced the same way. Music in the commodity form is just cheap to make and distribute - as is all information. I mean, even authors of books can have this problem, and find creative ways to make money beyond book sales. ~David -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:35 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mp3(13) ... my last 12" on M>O>S(Kaoz) sold pretty ok, and i made 86 euro´s with it. Vinyl is way too expensive to press, promote and distribute for smaller labels, specially since they only get attention if you buy some of the heads with some freebee copies. I mean, I´m only making 86 euro´s...no room for charity there... I love vinyl, and expressed that view in the past quite explicitly but were coming to a point where we just cant afford it anymore. I really hope there´s a way to make money out of mp3´s, for now competing with soulseek seems like madness, or people start buying cd-singles. CD´s are much cheaper too make and transport, and would leave the artist with just that lil bit more money to invest in his studio. Its better money playing a record than making it, isn´t that a bit off btw? I can play music at the bar down the road and make 16 euro´s more than with a twelve. And they sure as hell dont book me for my releases. I think im gonna be a dj! Book me to hear my tunes! -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 19 mei 2004 3:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mp3(13) ... >did you miss something here, or am i misreading something? 40% of >$2 is $.80, times 1000 = $800. thats gotta be easier to earn than >$800 selling vinyl records, especially considering the lack of >upfront costs for the artist. haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more profit...oh well, whatever. _ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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while we are at it: http://www.phlow.net/netlabel_catalogue/ this is a good catalogue of existing netlabels sorted by genre. here are some 313 related netlabel picks you shouldn't miss: >rob keens - the park - stadtgruen (stadt001) http://www.stadtgruenlabel.de the netlabel vince watson, these tracks are really huge >marko fürstenberg - inaxa stream - realaudio (ratc002) http://www.realaudio.ch/tec/ratc002.html re-live the basic channel vibe >dataman - abstrahism - stadtgruen (stadt002) http://www.stadtgruenlabel.de 6 slow & ueberfunky minimal techno tracks >simex - journey to kergelen - heavy industries (hi006) http://www.heavy-industries.net/releases/hi006/ funky techhouse, nice pads & groovey basslines >danny 'blackbelt' andersen - 04 style - _rohformat (_rf031) http://www.rohformat.de 3 percussive, moody tracks & 1 banging remix >breitbannt - back from exile - thinner (thn035) http://www.thinnerism.com/releases.php?r=thn035 the most kickin' thinner release ever, little bit vainquer-esqe >brian kage - eigth ways ep - thinner (thn056) http://www.thinnerism.com/releases.php?r=thn056 lovely detroit tech-house 3 tracker with 3 very nice remixes cheers, ronny ani wrote: free downloads, including some 313 artists: http://www.thinnerism.com/main.php not exactly what you were asking for, but good nonetheless. ani
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my last 12" on M>O>S(Kaoz) sold pretty ok, and i made 86 euro´s with it. Vinyl is way too expensive to press, promote and distribute for smaller labels, specially since they only get attention if you buy some of the heads with some freebee copies. I mean, I´m only making 86 euro´s...no room for charity there... I love vinyl, and expressed that view in the past quite explicitly but were coming to a point where we just cant afford it anymore. I really hope there´s a way to make money out of mp3´s, for now competing with soulseek seems like madness, or people start buying cd-singles. CD´s are much cheaper too make and transport, and would leave the artist with just that lil bit more money to invest in his studio. Its better money playing a record than making it, isn´t that a bit off btw? I can play music at the bar down the road and make 16 euro´s more than with a twelve. And they sure as hell dont book me for my releases. I think im gonna be a dj! Book me to hear my tunes! -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 19 mei 2004 3:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) mp3(13) ... >did you miss something here, or am i misreading something? 40% of >$2 is $.80, times 1000 = $800. thats gotta be easier to earn than >$800 selling vinyl records, especially considering the lack of >upfront costs for the artist. haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more profit...oh well, whatever. _ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
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-- Original Message -- From: "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? >more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more >profit...oh well, whatever. i dont know, just judging by how many people use slsk and other p2ps, if only a small tiny fraction of those people bought the mp3 it would be way more than 1000 DLs. if final scratch and CDJs become popular, many many people in far away places can DL your tunes without any problem. and you wouldnt have to worry about irritating distros. how many people here have distros in india or africa picking up their tunes? id bet not many if any at all. but those people could easily DL your tunes from a site for a small fee and play them out. i talked to some african cats recently who were telling me that they dont even use vinyl at all there, theyve been using CDs for as long as he could remember. this could really break open a true world market for a pretty universal style of music. tom andythepooh.com
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haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more profit...oh well, whatever. sellable in the context of underground dancemusic...i don't things are there yet? but i dont know. dan k or somebody involved in this stuff, lemme know (privately) how things are working out for you. i know some environ stuff is on iTunes or whatever too, but dunno how it does either. _ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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did you miss something here, or am i misreading something? 40% of $2 is $.80, times 1000 = $800. thats gotta be easier to earn than $800 selling vinyl records, especially considering the lack of upfront costs for the artist. haha no my math sucks, you're right. but still, are mp3's that sellable? more than vinyl? if you sell 1000 records there is considerably more profit...oh well, whatever. _ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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-- Original Message -- From: "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >second of all, is there ANY money >in mp3's? i don't know the specifics of iPod, but the offers i've seen from >lesser known mp3 sites are along the lines of 40% net (60% to the site). at >$2 a download it would take 1000 sales to make 80 bucks. it's better than >nothing, but... did you miss something here, or am i misreading something? 40% of $2 is $.80, times 1000 = $800. thats gotta be easier to earn than $800 selling vinyl records, especially considering the lack of upfront costs for the artist. tom andythepooh.com
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It already has. Less vinyl is selling, and fewer titles are being pressed. i'd like to see evidence linking declining vinyl sales to mp3s. anybody else read the oberholzer-gee report? it's excellent. it begins by shooting down the assumption that every mp3 downloaded is a sale lost, which is the flaw of every other report i've seen which blames mp3's..google it. mp3 marketing - first of all, how do you compete with free (soulseek)? i know there are various little gimmicks/bonuses you can use, but it seems like most people would just get it free...second of all, is there ANY money in mp3's? i don't know the specifics of iPod, but the offers i've seen from lesser known mp3 sites are along the lines of 40% net (60% to the site). at $2 a download it would take 1000 sales to make 80 bucks. it's better than nothing, but... _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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free downloads, including some 313 artists: http://www.thinnerism.com/main.php not exactly what you were asking for, but good nonetheless. ani : -Original Message- : From: Marc Langsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:48 PM : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: (313) mp3(13) ... : : : : Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s : online ? So far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there : anything in the 313 department or anythng else worth checking : ? [Id have thought submerge might be leading the technolgical : underground on this one but no such luck :\ ] : : peace, : marc : : :
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> It already has. Less vinyl is selling, and fewer titles are being pressed. > CD or Computer-based DJ'ing is much more viable. Ironically, my commitment > to vinyl has only grown stronger at the same time because DJ'ing with records > is more fun for me than using CDs or Traktor, or Final Scratch. however one nice thing about fs is being able to download new tunes and spin them straight away ... excellent for those record shop withdrawal moments whilst sitting at home :) peace, marc
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good looking and poker flat as well. im anxiously awaiting kompakt, perlon, playhouse, etc. so i can grab all the stuff ive missed over the last few years of not buying records Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > maybe archer needs to develope some sort of mp3 mastering, encoding, > distribution package to sell to their client base. > > innovate or disapate > > > > On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how that would affect the relationship between 313 labels > and Ron > > Murphy/NSC/Archer, etc.? > > That is if others start selling mp3s. > > > > wouldn't it surely affect their business? > > > > MEK > > > > > > > > > > > > "Steward, Tim" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > 313@hyperreal.org > > uware.com> cc: > >Subject: RE: (313) > mp3(13) ... > > 05/18/04 02:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the Kevin Saunderson' site kmsproductions.com you can > > find 1 mp3 for sell, and that was just added within the > > past couple of weeks. So it might catch on soon around the 313 > > > > > > TS-1 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marc Langsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:48 PM > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: (313) mp3(13) ... > > > > > > > > Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s > online ? So > > far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there anything in the 313 > department or > > anythng else worth checking ? [Id have thought submerge might be > leading > > the > > technolgical underground on this one but no such luck :\ ] > > > > peace, > > marc > > > > > > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee > only. It > > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the > named > > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > > disclose > > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us > immediately > > and then destroy it. > > > > > > > > > > >
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It already has. Less vinyl is selling, and fewer titles are being pressed. CD or Computer-based DJ'ing is much more viable. Ironically, my commitment to vinyl has only grown stronger at the same time because DJ'ing with records is more fun for me than using CDs or Traktor, or Final Scratch. And I can do a pretty good job mixing on CD players and Traktor. On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I wonder how that would affect the relationship between 313 labels and Ron > Murphy/NSC/Archer, etc.? > That is if others start selling mp3s. > > wouldn't it surely affect their business? >
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maybe archer needs to develope some sort of mp3 mastering, encoding, distribution package to sell to their client base. innovate or disapate On Tue, 18 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I wonder how that would affect the relationship between 313 labels and Ron > Murphy/NSC/Archer, etc.? > That is if others start selling mp3s. > > wouldn't it surely affect their business? > > MEK > > > > > > "Steward, Tim" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org > uware.com> cc: >Subject: RE: (313) mp3(13) ... > 05/18/04 02:53 PM > > > > > > > On the Kevin Saunderson' site kmsproductions.com you can > find 1 mp3 for sell, and that was just added within the > past couple of weeks. So it might catch on soon around the 313 > > > TS-1 > > -Original Message- > From: Marc Langsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:48 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) mp3(13) ... > > > > Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s online ? So > far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there anything in the 313 department or > anythng else worth checking ? [Id have thought submerge might be leading > the > technolgical underground on this one but no such luck :\ ] > > peace, > marc > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or > disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately > and then destroy it. > > > > >
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I wonder how that would affect the relationship between 313 labels and Ron
Murphy/NSC/Archer, etc.?
That is if others start selling mp3s.
wouldn't it surely affect their business?
MEK
"Steward, Tim"
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uware.com> cc:
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05/18/04 02:53 PM
On the Kevin Saunderson' site kmsproductions.com you can
find 1 mp3 for sell, and that was just added within the
past couple of weeks. So it might catch on soon around the 313
TS-1
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Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s online ? So
far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there anything in the 313 department or
anythng else worth checking ? [Id have thought submerge might be leading
the
technolgical underground on this one but no such luck :\ ]
peace,
marc
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http://www.nufonix.com has some pretty good labels, and getting better... labels like Elephanthaus, Force Inc., End to End (sister label of Moods n Grooves I think), Deep Departures, etc. are represented among many others. Also, we've got the Late Night Essentials catalog up there as well (Kai Alce release included). Adam http://www.tranzfuse.com http://www.latenightessentials.com -Original Message- From: Marc Langsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mp3(13) ... Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s online ? So far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there anything in the 313 department or anythng else worth checking ? [Id have thought submerge might be leading the technolgical underground on this one but no such luck :\ ] peace, marc
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On the Kevin Saunderson' site kmsproductions.com you can find 1 mp3 for sell, and that was just added within the past couple of weeks. So it might catch on soon around the 313 TS-1 -Original Message- From: Marc Langsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:48 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) mp3(13) ... Does anyone know what decent labels have started selling mp3s online ? So far Ive only found warp and k7 - is there anything in the 313 department or anythng else worth checking ? [Id have thought submerge might be leading the technolgical underground on this one but no such luck :\ ] peace, marc The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
