Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
- Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune This is something I'd not considered before. When Magda used it Saturday she often seemed to be looking at it a lot more intently than I would've thought necessary to just find a track, but if you can't see 'indicators' on the vinyl, that waveform display would be pretty crucial. I'm sure this wouldn't take too long to adapt to, unless you scratch a lot and have your records marked with stickers, etc. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
had to look for myself... never saw it as a reality http://www.finalscratch.com/ from:Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:49:55 to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org subject: Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... - Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune This is something I'd not considered before. When Magda used it Saturday she often seemed to be looking at it a lot more intently than I would've thought necessary to just find a track, but if you can't see 'indicators' on the vinyl, that waveform display would be pretty crucial. I'm sure this wouldn't take too long to adapt to, unless you scratch a lot and have your records marked with stickers, etc. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÇöüñtërpöïñT http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all_tracks/ ÇöüñtërpöïñT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
by this report and like all reports I am starting to really admire the FS and its potential..cheers Marc for this :) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2002 10:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... I went to the Plasa light/sound show in london the other week and finally got a chance to roadtest F/S on the uk distributor of stanton's stand :] I was thoroughly impressed and I would say it is very difficult to fault - I gave it some solid scratching + crabbing and it held up fine as well as skipping the needle about, spinbacks etc etc. The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune and its not too difficult to skip to a break etc. The 'record box' functionality is quite nice - they had house/hip-hop/breaks/etc boxes set up on F1-F9 keys. After I'd finished dribbling all over it I had a chat to some guys on the stand...from what they were saying it sounds like u need a Linux partition on your laptop/pc but they give you a distribution in the box [not sure why they couldnt have F/S on a bootable linux CD as that would be way less hassle]. I think UK retail is between 450-500GBP. They were running it off a compaq presario notebook [not sure what spec] but the guy said anything around the 500mhz mark should do the trick. Spare records are gonna be around the 15GBP mark too. in summary.*I WANT ONE!!* :] peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
I have to say that it was everything I was hoping for - and is now officialy the no.1 item on my xmas shopping list!! - looks like I'll be spending the holiday break sampling in some 2000 records tho :[ -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:29 AM To: Langsman, Marc; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... by this report and like all reports I am starting to really admire the FS and its potential..cheers Marc for this :) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2002 10:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... I went to the Plasa light/sound show in london the other week and finally got a chance to roadtest F/S on the uk distributor of stanton's stand :] I was thoroughly impressed and I would say it is very difficult to fault - I gave it some solid scratching + crabbing and it held up fine as well as skipping the needle about, spinbacks etc etc. The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune and its not too difficult to skip to a break etc. The 'record box' functionality is quite nice - they had house/hip-hop/breaks/etc boxes set up on F1-F9 keys. After I'd finished dribbling all over it I had a chat to some guys on the stand...from what they were saying it sounds like u need a Linux partition on your laptop/pc but they give you a distribution in the box [not sure why they couldnt have F/S on a bootable linux CD as that would be way less hassle]. I think UK retail is between 450-500GBP. They were running it off a compaq presario notebook [not sure what spec] but the guy said anything around the 500mhz mark should do the trick. Spare records are gonna be around the 15GBP mark too. in summary.*I WANT ONE!!* :] peace, Marc --- - -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
remark in this whole discussion however. One great aspect about playing music from vinyl is feedback; the amplified music, specifically bass, reflects back on the record and gets picked up by the needle again and amplified again. Too much feedback leads to rumble, but just enough creates this fat deep bass sound we're all so addicted on. Final scatch can never recreate this, since the records don't contain the actual music. realistically do you actually configure your decks so you get bass feedback ? Most places Ive played try and isolate the decks to avoid this. In fact I dont think Ive ever seen anyone with a set up designed to leverage any bass feedback - how could you ever ensure the feedback was stable ?? If you were that bothered you could always pre-process your mp3's with some feedback I guess ? -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
Wether you want it or not, when you are playing somewhere where the music is loud, you will always have feedback. No matter how well you isolate your turntable. In fact, isolating the decks is to prevent rumble not feedback. The needle will pick up all kinds of vibration. Just put a record on, don't let it spin, and tap with your finger somewhere on the turntable. You will definately hear this amplified. So when the needle picks up the bass vibrations from the speakers, this is feedback. You can even shout to the needle when it's on a (stopped) record and if you record that you will hear it. You can already hear the difference when playing vinyl and CDs. CDs sound less deep on the dancefloor. Joost -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 19 september 2002 16:32 To: 'Ploegmakers, Joost'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... remark in this whole discussion however. One great aspect about playing music from vinyl is feedback; the amplified music, specifically bass, reflects back on the record and gets picked up by the needle again and amplified again. Too much feedback leads to rumble, but just enough creates this fat deep bass sound we're all so addicted on. Final scatch can never recreate this, since the records don't contain the actual music. realistically do you actually configure your decks so you get bass feedback ? Most places Ive played try and isolate the decks to avoid this. In fact I dont think Ive ever seen anyone with a set up designed to leverage any bass feedback - how could you ever ensure the feedback was stable ?? If you were that bothered you could always pre-process your mp3's with some feedback I guess ? -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
- Original Message - From: Ploegmakers, Joost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... Wether you want it or not, when you are playing somewhere where the music is loud, you will always have feedback. No matter how well you isolate your turntable. In fact, isolating the decks is to prevent rumble not feedback. The needle will pick up all kinds of vibration. Just put a record on, don't let it spin, and tap with your finger somewhere on the turntable. You will definately hear this amplified. So when the needle picks up the bass vibrations from the speakers, this is feedback. You can even shout to the needle when it's on a (stopped) record and if you record that you will hear it. This is normally just a factor how close the monitors are to the tables, no? You can already hear the difference when playing vinyl and CDs. CDs sound less deep on the dancefloor. I see your point. I wonder if there's a specific frequency it picks up and if you could run a sine wave at that frequency to pot up on another channel whenever you play something digital? That's a bit convoluted though I guess... Probably not the most elegant solution. Then again, when I heard the Final Scratch workout last weekend, I didn't notice a difference between vinyl and finyl. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
Got this from the FS forum...when I asked the same question. this is a rather mythical theory which i've been looking into alsoother theories are over-eager RIAA preamp curves, vinyl characteristics etc. if this feedback theory really would be true then you would be able to hear a difference in every different room due to different positioning of speakers, DJ booth, walls, anti-feedback solutions etc.etc. furthermore in a large room the low frequencies would be returned rather late (think about sever ms's, probably over 10ms or even 20ms) before they could be picked up by the needle/cartridge again, which would create a very floppy delayed doulbe-triggered kind of effect on the bassdrum i find it hard to believe this is the case, but i am very interested in other people's thoughts about this. If this really would be true an effect like this could be replicated by a delay line which is lowpass filtered and added to the signal after a few ms's.. -Original Message- From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:13 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... When I first heard of final scratch, I was convinced this would be the future of DJ-ing. Not FS by itself, but in combination with normal vinyl. (I am convinced I will always still be using vinyl, if only not to be totally dependent of computers) And when I saw John Aquaviva showcasing the first version here in Utrecht I was even more convinced. I do keep missing one remark in this whole discussion however. One great aspect about playing music from vinyl is feedback; the amplified music, specifically bass, reflects back on the record and gets picked up by the needle again and amplified again. Too much feedback leads to rumble, but just enough creates this fat deep bass sound we're all so addicted on. Final scatch can never recreate this, since the records don't contain the actual music. So far this is the only real flaw I can find in this whole setup. Unless the FS guys already thought of building in some kind of feedback plugin? If not, FS or Native Instruments, you've got work to do... Joost -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 19 september 2002 11:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... I went to the Plasa light/sound show in london the other week and finally got a chance to roadtest F/S on the uk distributor of stanton's stand :] I was thoroughly impressed and I would say it is very difficult to fault - I gave it some solid scratching + crabbing and it held up fine as well as skipping the needle about, spinbacks etc etc. The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune and its not too difficult to skip to a break etc. The 'record box' functionality is quite nice - they had house/hip-hop/breaks/etc boxes set up on F1-F9 keys. After I'd finished dribbling all over it I had a chat to some guys on the stand...from what they were saying it sounds like u need a Linux partition on your laptop/pc but they give you a distribution in the box [not sure why they couldnt have F/S on a bootable linux CD as that would be way less hassle]. I think UK retail is between 450-500GBP. They were running it off a compaq presario notebook [not sure what spec] but the guy said anything around the 500mhz mark should do the trick. Spare records are gonna be around the 15GBP mark too. in summary.*I WANT ONE!!* :] peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
