RE: [313] UR soldiers
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Cool, That goes a long way to answering! I've not seen that before, it's difficult for people on other sides of the world to relate to other peoples shit I guess... "Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/01/2002 16:03:34 To: Alex Bond/UK/INF/PwC, 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: RE: [313] UR soldiers > Memo from Alex Bond: > > Going back to those questions; > > 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' > > Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? > I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and > stories which > help their image. > > What do other people think?? I dunno what other people think, but a few years ago Mad Mike posted this message on 313 answering your question: --- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 03:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Somewhere In Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJs That History Forgot 1 On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Somewhere In Detroit wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, rbcIII the lovebot wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Robert Smith wrote: > > > > > From what I know of Mad Mike, they don't want to be. More friendships > > > are made and more battles are won in the underground rather than on the > > > surface. More substance, less flash. > > > > Well, I take the militant underground stance of the UR crew with a grain > > of salt. They often dis +8 an others for licensing to big labels but... > > > > 1) Tresor and Tresor II (NovaMute) have UR tracks on them. This is the > > same label which licenses Probe and Plastikman and FUSE... > > > > 2) Drexciya on WARP > > > > 3) Drexciya on Rephlex > > > > 4) UR on New Electronica compilations. > > > > Many more examples can be found I'm sure. I don't think WARP, Mute > > records and New Electronica are any better than R&S. They pimp just like > > Renaat! > > > > So this "anti white techno" stance is not very solid IMO. I don't mind > > though. I happen to think the Tresor and Tresor II comps the best > > NovaMute put out. I think Drexciya deserves the exposure they get on > > labels like Warp and Rephlex. I love all of the releases that New > > Electronica has put out (esp. the new Reflections On Reflections) and > > think UR are a great compliment to the other srtists featured. > > > > I take the UR, Mad Mike, and Drexciya public statements as part of their > > "act". Much like the facade of some Metal bands who act like devil > > worshippers. It's all entertainment and good at that. I just happen to > > think the whole "at war with the commercial forces" theme a pretty cool > > one. > > > > -robert > > > > --> ___ _ _ _ _ > > / _\ | || || _ \|_ _|/ _ \ > > / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) |__ > >/__\\/|_/|_|\_/ ( *electronic* ) > > > Attn;Lovebot > I dont get out in cyberspace very often so please forgive my > net etiquette or any words I may mispell,I do very much app- > reciate Robert Smith"s passionate defense of UR,but I am a > fighter and in this instance I will come out of the shadows > in defense of my Label and what it stands for!First regarding > Drexciya - It hurts me just as much as anyone else who loves > true Underground music from the source to see a group that > UR as a Label helped lift from the streets into international > underground acclaim.Dont forget these projects on UR were not > Drexciyas first outings,their first outings on their own label > did not farewell at all.You guys cannot imagine the type of > time and energy both financially and studiowise that goes into > making 4 trak material good enough to make a record out of. > Matter of fact most people cant make 4 trak projects into > good sounding records,but at UR thats what we did because > I heard something in those traks - I heard some brothers > who were using their imaginations to the max,I heard kids > who were pure at heart and knew nothing of the international > complexities of this music,I heard dreams.It is very,very > difficult to descibe what it feels like to lose talented > people the caliber of Jeff Mills,Robert Hood or Drexciya > not to lose them due
Re: [313] UR soldiers
and 1 mo - > 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' > > Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? > I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and stories which > help their image. > > What do other people think?? What do they communicate with this ? Even if it would be inside of a "marketing ploy" ? What is the whole meaning of the attitude ? :D having a break - I´m gonna search some stuff from my archive - thanks 4 all stepping into shoutz -- LoveThemPlanetZ peoplez plantz peaze pluz m GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] UR soldiers
Alex Bond wrote: >Going back to those questions; > >'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' > >Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? >I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and stories which >help their image. > >What do other people think?? In the words of Mike himself, when a similar question was asked in '95: http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/underground_resistance/mad_mike_speaks Also very relevant IMO in regards to the recent Jeff Mills discussion about whether/how to progress with techno. Otto -- This email from Underground Resistance's Mad Mike appeared on the 313 list: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 03:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Somewhere In Detroit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) DJs That History Forgot 1 On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Somewhere In Detroit wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, rbcIII the lovebot wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Robert Smith wrote: > > > > > From what I know of Mad Mike, they don't want to be. More friendships > > > are made and more battles are won in the underground rather than on the > > > surface. More substance, less flash. > > > > Well, I take the militant underground stance of the UR crew with a grain > > of salt. They often dis +8 an others for licensing to big labels but... > > > > 1) Tresor and Tresor II (NovaMute) have UR tracks on them. This is the > > same label which licenses Probe and Plastikman and FUSE... > > > > 2) Drexciya on WARP > > > > 3) Drexciya on Rephlex > > > > 4) UR on New Electronica compilations. > > > > Many more examples can be found I'm sure. I don't think WARP, Mute > > records and New Electronica are any better than R&S. They pimp just like > > Renaat! > > > > So this "anti white techno" stance is not very solid IMO. I don't mind > > though. I happen to think the Tresor and Tresor II comps the best > > NovaMute put out. I think Drexciya deserves the exposure they get on > > labels like Warp and Rephlex. I love all of the releases that New > > Electronica has put out (esp. the new Reflections On Reflections) and > > think UR are a great compliment to the other srtists featured. > > > > I take the UR, Mad Mike, and Drexciya public statements as part of their > > "act". Much like the facade of some Metal bands who act like devil > > worshippers. It's all entertainment and good at that. I just happen to > > think the whole "at war with the commercial forces" theme a pretty cool > > one. > > > > -robert > > > > --> ___ _ _ _ _ > > / _\ | || || _ \|_ _|/ _ \ > > / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) |__ > >/__\\/|_/|_|\_/ ( *electronic* ) > > > Attn;Lovebot > I dont get out in cyberspace very often so please forgive my > net etiquette or any words I may mispell,I do very much app- > reciate Robert Smith"s passionate defense of UR,but I am a > fighter and in this instance I will come out of the shadows > in defense of my Label and what it stands for!First regarding > Drexciya - It hurts me just as much as anyone else who loves > true Underground music from the source to see a group that > UR as a Label helped lift from the streets into international > underground acclaim.Dont forget these projects on UR were not > Drexciyas first outings,their first outings on their own label > did not farewell at all.You guys cannot imagine the type of > time and energy both financially and studiowise that goes into > making 4 trak material good enough to make a record out of. > Matter of fact most people cant make 4 trak projects into > good sounding records,but at UR thats what we did because > I heard something in those traks - I heard some brothers > who were using their imaginations to the max,I heard kids > who were pure at heart and knew nothing of the international > complexities of this music,I heard dreams.It is very,very > difficult to descibe what it feels like to lose talented > people the caliber of Jeff Mills,Robert Hood or Drexciya > not to lose them due to arguments or disagreements,but to > lose them due to the environment here in Detroit.It is a > very difficult place to stay in especially if you have been > abroad or know others that have been.After returning some > people are never the same! Jeff Mills was a world class DJ > a talent the world now enjoys.He had nowhere to play here in > Detroit we would watch as DJ after DJ would come play Detroit > and for all the hype could not rock the D,basically they > could not hold a candle next to Jeff Mills.Jeff is xtremly > competetive so he really wanted to get
Re: [313] UR soldiers
Why did Public Enemy called thier troops the Security of the first world and parade about on stage with uzis? Part publicity and part to visually enforce the politics that thier music embroiled itself in. UR talk about fighting the programmers by deprogramming the population through sonic assaults, the idea of them being soldiers just enforces this message. Personally I don't take it all 'too' seriously, but the whole mythology that surrounds the entire UR camp (including Drexciya, The Martian etc..) does add a certain dialogue to thier music which, for me, does actually enhance it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: [313] UR soldiers > Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers > > Start of message text > > Going back to those questions; > > 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' > > Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? > I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and stories which > help their image. > > What do other people think?? > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] UR soldiers
> Memo from Alex Bond: > > Going back to those questions; > > 'Why do UR call themselves soldiers?' > > Don't know, Is it part of a marketing ploy? > I always thought they trod a fine-line between truths and > stories which > help their image. > > What do other people think?? I dunno what other people think, but a few years ago Mad Mike posted this message on 313 answering your question: --- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 03:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Somewhere In Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJs That History Forgot 1 On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Somewhere In Detroit wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, rbcIII the lovebot wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Robert Smith wrote: > > > > > From what I know of Mad Mike, they don't want to be. More friendships > > > are made and more battles are won in the underground rather than on the > > > surface. More substance, less flash. > > > > Well, I take the militant underground stance of the UR crew with a grain > > of salt. They often dis +8 an others for licensing to big labels but... > > > > 1) Tresor and Tresor II (NovaMute) have UR tracks on them. This is the > > same label which licenses Probe and Plastikman and FUSE... > > > > 2) Drexciya on WARP > > > > 3) Drexciya on Rephlex > > > > 4) UR on New Electronica compilations. > > > > Many more examples can be found I'm sure. I don't think WARP, Mute > > records and New Electronica are any better than R&S. They pimp just like > > Renaat! > > > > So this "anti white techno" stance is not very solid IMO. I don't mind > > though. I happen to think the Tresor and Tresor II comps the best > > NovaMute put out. I think Drexciya deserves the exposure they get on > > labels like Warp and Rephlex. I love all of the releases that New > > Electronica has put out (esp. the new Reflections On Reflections) and > > think UR are a great compliment to the other srtists featured. > > > > I take the UR, Mad Mike, and Drexciya public statements as part of their > > "act". Much like the facade of some Metal bands who act like devil > > worshippers. It's all entertainment and good at that. I just happen to > > think the whole "at war with the commercial forces" theme a pretty cool > > one. > > > > -robert > > > > --> ___ _ _ _ _ > > / _\ | || || _ \|_ _|/ _ \ > > / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) |__ > >/__\\/|_/|_|\_/ ( *electronic* ) > > > Attn;Lovebot > I dont get out in cyberspace very often so please forgive my > net etiquette or any words I may mispell,I do very much app- > reciate Robert Smith"s passionate defense of UR,but I am a > fighter and in this instance I will come out of the shadows > in defense of my Label and what it stands for!First regarding > Drexciya - It hurts me just as much as anyone else who loves > true Underground music from the source to see a group that > UR as a Label helped lift from the streets into international > underground acclaim.Dont forget these projects on UR were not > Drexciyas first outings,their first outings on their own label > did not farewell at all.You guys cannot imagine the type of > time and energy both financially and studiowise that goes into > making 4 trak material good enough to make a record out of. > Matter of fact most people cant make 4 trak projects into > good sounding records,but at UR thats what we did because > I heard something in those traks - I heard some brothers > who were using their imaginations to the max,I heard kids > who were pure at heart and knew nothing of the international > complexities of this music,I heard dreams.It is very,very > difficult to descibe what it feels like to lose talented > people the caliber of Jeff Mills,Robert Hood or Drexciya > not to lose them due to arguments or disagreements,but to > lose them due to the environment here in Detroit.It is a > very difficult place to stay in especially if you have been > abroad or know others that have been.After returning some > people are never the same! Jeff Mills was a world class DJ > a talent the world now enjoys.He had nowhere to play here in > Detroit we would watch as DJ after DJ would come play Detroit > and for all the hype could not rock the D,basically they > could not hold a candle next to Jeff Mills.Jeff is xtremly > competetive so he really wanted to get out there and kik ass > So when his chance came in 1992 at the Limelite club in N.Y > he took it! HE knew and I knew that he would never come back! > I never call Jeff a sellout c
