Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
it's probably just a nice change of pace, there's conformity to trend even in techno artist like Jeff Mills. on 6/9/03 4:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note: I just read the Jeff Mills interview in the Spring 2003 Straight No Chaser and he said he enjoys or prefers to play to a mixed crowd over a more techno audience, I would assume because he can play a more diverse set without anyone saying negative things about him. There was a recent discussion about this on his website as well. Personally, I prefer diversity over strict techno and I enjoyed Mills' set immensely. And the mixer failing is a lot better than hail, lightning, and frogs coming from the sky. ;) MEK
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
I think frogs hail might have been a nice touch, particularly if concentrated in the area of the body surfers. People would have left thinking 'wow, that DJ sure is powerful'. lol lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note: I just read the Jeff Mills interview in the Spring 2003 Straight No Chaser and he said he enjoys or prefers to play to a mixed crowd over a more techno audience, I would assume because he can play a more diverse set without anyone saying negative things about him. There was a recent discussion about this on his website as well. Personally, I prefer diversity over strict techno and I enjoyed Mills' set immensely. And the mixer failing is a lot better than hail, lightning, and frogs coming from the sky. ;) MEK Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org il.com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement 06/08/03 06:46 AM I really enjoyed it and, prior to getting back online, all I heard were good reports. Everyone enjoyed hearing the old hip-hop. I think you have to take into account the context. I think as techno fans/followers/purists/etc you have to take into account that you're a minority at the festival. How many people there have any Axis records at home? He's playing to a large number of people in the main arena who have no idea what 'techno' is. They may be kids who listen to 50 Cent in their rides, rave to Tiesto, or their parents and came out of curiousity, or people who know The Wizard, not Jeff Mills. That's not a good or bad thing, it's just the reality. It's a challenge. Of course it's going to be an 'intro to Jeff Mills 2003' of sorts. You're just hearing one side of Jeff Mills, and if you go to Sonar, say, you'll hear another side and another side again in a club. I think his approach was perfect. It was hard to recreate the momentum after the mixer went, but I think he did well. -- From: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 7:15 PM but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. To be honest I knew that would never happen cos its was that special set where it wasn't about the banging stuff it was the Wizard in true radio mix mode...I heard classics that I thought I would never hear again , his choice was unreal if you ask me, something for everyone :) -Original Message- From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2003 04:52 To: Jim Bishop Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement I've only seen Mills once before Movement 03 and I was a bit disappointed in his choice of sets - it seemed almost like he was doing a 'best of/hits' set hopping around different types of music but not necessarily in a manner that flowed well. I know it's not the best thing to go into a performance hoping for something, but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. Like I said before I think he played a lot of good tunes and I liked watching him with the turntables (there were 3, right?). I didn't mind that he did cut-overs because some of that worked. What kinda sucked with that was some of the cut-over points he chose cut out verses or measures of the song that would have worked left it feeling 'short' - like he stopped too soon and it wasn't pleasant/cool. There were a few wrecks on the decks, but maybe he was a bit frazzled from those early equipment problems? Like he got thrown off? I dunno. I have more stuff to put up and will do that soon - just a bit tired from getting back home tonight from Detroit after being without a computer since Friday! Hmmm, speaking of computers... Did anyone else notice how crappy the internet access was @ the Sony booth? I mean, it was great they had it but using satellite/wireless gave weird results - like sometimes really fast and other times worse than 56k (like 10 minutes just to load the google start page)! When the sun was out the connections were
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
how about acid rain and baseball sized hail with old school UR playing in the background. on 6/9/03 11:42 PM, lisa at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think frogs hail might have been a nice touch, particularly if concentrated in the area of the body surfers. People would have left thinking 'wow, that DJ sure is powerful'. lol lisa
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
As a side note: I just read the Jeff Mills interview in the Spring 2003 Straight No Chaser and he said he enjoys or prefers to play to a mixed crowd over a more techno audience, I would assume because he can play a more diverse set without anyone saying negative things about him. There was a recent discussion about this on his website as well. Personally, I prefer diversity over strict techno and I enjoyed Mills' set immensely. And the mixer failing is a lot better than hail, lightning, and frogs coming from the sky. ;) MEK Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org il.com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement 06/08/03 06:46 AM I really enjoyed it and, prior to getting back online, all I heard were good reports. Everyone enjoyed hearing the old hip-hop. I think you have to take into account the context. I think as techno fans/followers/purists/etc you have to take into account that you're a minority at the festival. How many people there have any Axis records at home? He's playing to a large number of people in the main arena who have no idea what 'techno' is. They may be kids who listen to 50 Cent in their rides, rave to Tiesto, or their parents and came out of curiousity, or people who know The Wizard, not Jeff Mills. That's not a good or bad thing, it's just the reality. It's a challenge. Of course it's going to be an 'intro to Jeff Mills 2003' of sorts. You're just hearing one side of Jeff Mills, and if you go to Sonar, say, you'll hear another side and another side again in a club. I think his approach was perfect. It was hard to recreate the momentum after the mixer went, but I think he did well. -- From: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 7:15 PM but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. To be honest I knew that would never happen cos its was that special set where it wasn't about the banging stuff it was the Wizard in true radio mix mode...I heard classics that I thought I would never hear again , his choice was unreal if you ask me, something for everyone :) -Original Message- From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2003 04:52 To: Jim Bishop Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement I've only seen Mills once before Movement 03 and I was a bit disappointed in his choice of sets - it seemed almost like he was doing a 'best of/hits' set hopping around different types of music but not necessarily in a manner that flowed well. I know it's not the best thing to go into a performance hoping for something, but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. Like I said before I think he played a lot of good tunes and I liked watching him with the turntables (there were 3, right?). I didn't mind that he did cut-overs because some of that worked. What kinda sucked with that was some of the cut-over points he chose cut out verses or measures of the song that would have worked left it feeling 'short' - like he stopped too soon and it wasn't pleasant/cool. There were a few wrecks on the decks, but maybe he was a bit frazzled from those early equipment problems? Like he got thrown off? I dunno. I have more stuff to put up and will do that soon - just a bit tired from getting back home tonight from Detroit after being without a computer since Friday! Hmmm, speaking of computers... Did anyone else notice how crappy the internet access was @ the Sony booth? I mean, it was great they had it but using satellite/wireless gave weird results - like sometimes really fast and other times worse than 56k (like 10 minutes just to load the google start page)! When the sun was out the connections were pretty good. :) Oh well, it was free... lisa Jim Bishop wrote: I will say it cause many of you are thinking it. He suckedseen mills 4 times and this was the worst. Gains always up
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
I really enjoyed it and, prior to getting back online, all I heard were good reports. Everyone enjoyed hearing the old hip-hop. I think you have to take into account the context. I think as techno fans/followers/purists/etc you have to take into account that you're a minority at the festival. How many people there have any Axis records at home? He's playing to a large number of people in the main arena who have no idea what 'techno' is. They may be kids who listen to 50 Cent in their rides, rave to Tiesto, or their parents and came out of curiousity, or people who know The Wizard, not Jeff Mills. That's not a good or bad thing, it's just the reality. It's a challenge. Of course it's going to be an 'intro to Jeff Mills 2003' of sorts. You're just hearing one side of Jeff Mills, and if you go to Sonar, say, you'll hear another side and another side again in a club. I think his approach was perfect. It was hard to recreate the momentum after the mixer went, but I think he did well. -- From: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 7:15 PM but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. To be honest I knew that would never happen cos its was that special set where it wasn't about the banging stuff it was the Wizard in true radio mix mode...I heard classics that I thought I would never hear again , his choice was unreal if you ask me, something for everyone :) -Original Message- From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2003 04:52 To: Jim Bishop Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement I've only seen Mills once before Movement 03 and I was a bit disappointed in his choice of sets - it seemed almost like he was doing a 'best of/hits' set hopping around different types of music but not necessarily in a manner that flowed well. I know it's not the best thing to go into a performance hoping for something, but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. Like I said before I think he played a lot of good tunes and I liked watching him with the turntables (there were 3, right?). I didn't mind that he did cut-overs because some of that worked. What kinda sucked with that was some of the cut-over points he chose cut out verses or measures of the song that would have worked left it feeling 'short' - like he stopped too soon and it wasn't pleasant/cool. There were a few wrecks on the decks, but maybe he was a bit frazzled from those early equipment problems? Like he got thrown off? I dunno. I have more stuff to put up and will do that soon - just a bit tired from getting back home tonight from Detroit after being without a computer since Friday! Hmmm, speaking of computers... Did anyone else notice how crappy the internet access was @ the Sony booth? I mean, it was great they had it but using satellite/wireless gave weird results - like sometimes really fast and other times worse than 56k (like 10 minutes just to load the google start page)! When the sun was out the connections were pretty good. :) Oh well, it was free... lisa Jim Bishop wrote: I will say it cause many of you are thinking it. He suckedseen mills 4 times and this was the worst. Gains always up to high, he trainwrecked numerous times, his own records even. Played the same damn techno tracks he always does (buy the liquid room disc and you heard the same set), at one point he started playing hip hop not even mixing tracks, just cutting back and forth to new tracks. Mills had a few good spots, started to get great on the 909 then he stopped completely bowed and played rap. I enjoy good hip hop tracks like he played but he didn¹t even mix them. Many of you could have done just as good. Richie played the same stuff he always does. Snare rolls and high hats. Must say I think he is getting worse. Seen him 30 times now and most recently the last two times I have seen him his mixing has been terrible. What happened to richie the perfectionist now he always looks messed up. they must have took a thousand pictures that night of him posing for the camera, get of your horse rich and get back to innovating like you used to. I have never heard so many complaints at a richie show, MAGDA kicked his arse that for sure. What happened to the cutting edge things we are used to? Overall the festival was great, but the big boys didn¹t hold it up that¹s for sure. Best parts: Thomas fehlman Akufen Speedy J Mathew Dear Flame away but I have talked to many of you over the weekend and I know what you think to. Don¹t you ever wonder why no one talks about a show when people ask how was the richie show and few answer, you know what happened. When someone is on this list is flooded with reviews in hours this time its seems to be quiet around here My .03 cents Flame Away but this is not a troll, longtime list
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
I've only seen Mills once before Movement 03 and I was a bit disappointed in his choice of sets - it seemed almost like he was doing a 'best of/hits' set hopping around different types of music but not necessarily in a manner that flowed well. I know it's not the best thing to go into a performance hoping for something, but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. Like I said before I think he played a lot of good tunes and I liked watching him with the turntables (there were 3, right?). I didn't mind that he did cut-overs because some of that worked. What kinda sucked with that was some of the cut-over points he chose cut out verses or measures of the song that would have worked left it feeling 'short' - like he stopped too soon and it wasn't pleasant/cool. There were a few wrecks on the decks, but maybe he was a bit frazzled from those early equipment problems? Like he got thrown off? I dunno. I have more stuff to put up and will do that soon - just a bit tired from getting back home tonight from Detroit after being without a computer since Friday! Hmmm, speaking of computers... Did anyone else notice how crappy the internet access was @ the Sony booth? I mean, it was great they had it but using satellite/wireless gave weird results - like sometimes really fast and other times worse than 56k (like 10 minutes just to load the google start page)! When the sun was out the connections were pretty good. :) Oh well, it was free... lisa Jim Bishop wrote: I will say it cause many of you are thinking it. He suckedseen mills 4 times and this was the worst. Gains always up to high, he trainwrecked numerous times, his own records even. Played the same damn techno tracks he always does (buy the liquid room disc and you heard the same set), at one point he started playing hip hop not even mixing tracks, just cutting back and forth to new tracks. Mills had a few good spots, started to get great on the 909 then he stopped completely bowed and played rap. I enjoy good hip hop tracks like he played but he didn¹t even mix them. Many of you could have done just as good. Richie played the same stuff he always does. Snare rolls and high hats. Must say I think he is getting worse. Seen him 30 times now and most recently the last two times I have seen him his mixing has been terrible. What happened to richie the perfectionist now he always looks messed up. they must have took a thousand pictures that night of him posing for the camera, get of your horse rich and get back to innovating like you used to. I have never heard so many complaints at a richie show, MAGDA kicked his arse that for sure. What happened to the cutting edge things we are used to? Overall the festival was great, but the big boys didn¹t hold it up that¹s for sure. Best parts: Thomas fehlman Akufen Speedy J Mathew Dear Flame away but I have talked to many of you over the weekend and I know what you think to. Don¹t you ever wonder why no one talks about a show when people ask how was the richie show and few answer, you know what happened. When someone is on this list is flooded with reviews in hours this time its seems to be quiet around here My .03 cents Flame Away but this is not a troll, longtime list member honest opinion
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Well I am sorry but I disagree and as I have just got in the last few minutes I am upset to see a post like this having experienced the D for the first time... I thought Jeff was wicked, ok he train wrecked so bloody what?? crickey he had a packed schedule this weekend but who else would you hear play The Message, a Rush track, kings of tomorrow, the Wizard of Oz etc etc in the same set? and as fast as he did? at one point he started playing hip hop not even mixing tracks, just cutting back and forth to new tracks. I think you weren't listening hard cos most were double copies plus he was giving everyone a taste of everything, could you do better? the Wizard was true in Wizard style and we tasted what most listened too all those years ago, so I am very happy. It just grates me that most listen to the mistakes and not what he actually played really well. So me it was a wicked ending to a superb time in the D...So Thanks Dennis and Madga for your superb hopsitality, I will repay the favour one day Other people you know who you are but a post will come later as I am off to bed to re-inact it all :) -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2003 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement I will say it cause many of you are thinking it. He suckedseen mills 4 times and this was the worst. Gains always up to high, he trainwrecked numerous times, his own records even. Played the same damn techno tracks he always does (buy the liquid room disc and you heard the same set), at one point he started playing hip hop not even mixing tracks, just cutting back and forth to new tracks. Mills had a few good spots, started to get great on the 909 then he stopped completely bowed and played rap. I enjoy good hip hop tracks like he played but he didn¹t even mix them. Many of you could have done just as good. Richie played the same stuff he always does. Snare rolls and high hats. Must say I think he is getting worse. Seen him 30 times now and most recently the last two times I have seen him his mixing has been terrible. What happened to richie the perfectionist now he always looks messed up. they must have took a thousand pictures that night of him posing for the camera, get of your horse rich and get back to innovating like you used to. I have never heard so many complaints at a richie show, MAGDA kicked his arse that for sure. What happened to the cutting edge things we are used to? Overall the festival was great, but the big boys didn¹t hold it up that¹s for sure. Best parts: Thomas fehlman Akufen Speedy J Mathew Dear Flame away but I have talked to many of you over the weekend and I know what you think to. Don¹t you ever wonder why no one talks about a show when people ask how was the richie show and few answer, you know what happened. When someone is on this list is flooded with reviews in hours this time its seems to be quiet around here My .03 cents Flame Away but this is not a troll, longtime list member honest opinion --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03
RE: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. To be honest I knew that would never happen cos its was that special set where it wasn't about the banging stuff it was the Wizard in true radio mix mode...I heard classics that I thought I would never hear again , his choice was unreal if you ask me, something for everyone :) -Original Message- From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2003 04:52 To: Jim Bishop Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement I've only seen Mills once before Movement 03 and I was a bit disappointed in his choice of sets - it seemed almost like he was doing a 'best of/hits' set hopping around different types of music but not necessarily in a manner that flowed well. I know it's not the best thing to go into a performance hoping for something, but I was hoping he'd play a wicked, bangin' set and he didn't. Like I said before I think he played a lot of good tunes and I liked watching him with the turntables (there were 3, right?). I didn't mind that he did cut-overs because some of that worked. What kinda sucked with that was some of the cut-over points he chose cut out verses or measures of the song that would have worked left it feeling 'short' - like he stopped too soon and it wasn't pleasant/cool. There were a few wrecks on the decks, but maybe he was a bit frazzled from those early equipment problems? Like he got thrown off? I dunno. I have more stuff to put up and will do that soon - just a bit tired from getting back home tonight from Detroit after being without a computer since Friday! Hmmm, speaking of computers... Did anyone else notice how crappy the internet access was @ the Sony booth? I mean, it was great they had it but using satellite/wireless gave weird results - like sometimes really fast and other times worse than 56k (like 10 minutes just to load the google start page)! When the sun was out the connections were pretty good. :) Oh well, it was free... lisa Jim Bishop wrote: I will say it cause many of you are thinking it. He suckedseen mills 4 times and this was the worst. Gains always up to high, he trainwrecked numerous times, his own records even. Played the same damn techno tracks he always does (buy the liquid room disc and you heard the same set), at one point he started playing hip hop not even mixing tracks, just cutting back and forth to new tracks. Mills had a few good spots, started to get great on the 909 then he stopped completely bowed and played rap. I enjoy good hip hop tracks like he played but he didn¹t even mix them. Many of you could have done just as good. Richie played the same stuff he always does. Snare rolls and high hats. Must say I think he is getting worse. Seen him 30 times now and most recently the last two times I have seen him his mixing has been terrible. What happened to richie the perfectionist now he always looks messed up. they must have took a thousand pictures that night of him posing for the camera, get of your horse rich and get back to innovating like you used to. I have never heard so many complaints at a richie show, MAGDA kicked his arse that for sure. What happened to the cutting edge things we are used to? Overall the festival was great, but the big boys didn¹t hold it up that¹s for sure. Best parts: Thomas fehlman Akufen Speedy J Mathew Dear Flame away but I have talked to many of you over the weekend and I know what you think to. Don¹t you ever wonder why no one talks about a show when people ask how was the richie show and few answer, you know what happened. When someone is on this list is flooded with reviews in hours this time its seems to be quiet around here My .03 cents Flame Away but this is not a troll, longtime list member honest opinion --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03
Re: (313) Jeff mills and richie at movement
28/5/03 9:11 AM ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] It just grates me that most listen to the mistakes and not what he actually played really well. I agree, when this becomes the point it surely becomes pointless. Martin
