Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
On May 31, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote: i'll listen with an open mind but this press release gets at the whole problem i have with techno being so technical and 'of the second' it becomes utterly disposable. the second you've heard it it's suddenly irrelevant because another production method has replaced it. when all that's there is technique, pure technique, once that novelty wears off there's nothing underneath it. what is the real artistic statement? Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes. I shouldn't read press releases. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com Hey, someone has to experiment, right? I do agree that the product is more important than the process, but, really, what can you say about the product in a press release? Honestly, this reads better than your average mix CD blurb, which usually can't muster more than a few tired cliches and a bio of the DJ. While this is guilty of that too, at least there is something interesting to say about the mix itself. At the same time, you have to publicize somehow... I don't think anyone would say that new production and performance techniques have replaced existing ones as much as they have augmented them. And some of my favorite uses of new technology have been to blend old and new in ways that wouldn't otherwise be possible (some of Surgeon's Ableton mixes come to mind). -- Tim Moore
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this thread isnt very minimal at all - Original Message - From: Tim Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ales Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition On May 31, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote: i'll listen with an open mind but this press release gets at the whole problem i have with techno being so technical and 'of the second' it becomes utterly disposable. the second you've heard it it's suddenly irrelevant because another production method has replaced it. when all that's there is technique, pure technique, once that novelty wears off there's nothing underneath it. what is the real artistic statement? Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes. I shouldn't read press releases. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com Hey, someone has to experiment, right? I do agree that the product is more important than the process, but, really, what can you say about the product in a press release? Honestly, this reads better than your average mix CD blurb, which usually can't muster more than a few tired cliches and a bio of the DJ. While this is guilty of that too, at least there is something interesting to say about the mix itself. At the same time, you have to publicize somehow... I don't think anyone would say that new production and performance techniques have replaced existing ones as much as they have augmented them. And some of my favorite uses of new technology have been to blend old and new in ways that wouldn't otherwise be possible (some of Surgeon's Ableton mixes come to mind). -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
okay i thought i mailed this last week but it got stuck in my outbox somehow. so excuse the lateness not out to bash Rich in particular, but more-so this lame philosophizing. On May 26, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Aleš Hieng / Zergon wrote: The electronic music world is incredibly difficult to stay ahead of. What is branded cool one week, might be slated as dirty the next. and we should all be fearful of being judged by our techno peers to be only at the bleeding edge of cool, because every 60 seconds a new microtrend in techno has born and died. And god forbid you weren't there to get a record (errr, audiofile) released in time to ride that microtrend and be leading a pack that will inevitably devour you as they themselves seek to be EVEN MORE TECHNO than their predecessor, even if for an instant. yuck. i don't think many techno artists worth a second listen operate this way. Endless techniques are used by artists and their management to try to keep themselves beyond mainstream musical comprehension, and therefore slipping from the razor’s edge where legends can be crafted. and where, without a foundation in any form or underpinning substance or soul, it all just collapses under the weight of it's own technical process overhead. it isn't music anymore, it's just simply technology without anything else as a vehicle for artistic expression. in short, music produced in this manner may make scientists and studio engineers swoon, but on the other hand it also simply disappears right up it's own rear end. poof! Legends can be crafted when the artistic product endures for some reason or another beyond a millisecond, it's not just another forgettable technical masturbation. Whether that applies to this work remains to be seen. i'll listen with an open mind but this press release gets at the whole problem i have with techno being so technical and 'of the second' it becomes utterly disposable. the second you've heard it it's suddenly irrelevant because another production method has replaced it. when all that's there is technique, pure technique, once that novelty wears off there's nothing underneath it. what is the real artistic statement? Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes. I shouldn't read press releases. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
RE: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: And last but not least. There's a track out by a fella named steevio called rogue patterns vol2 out on mindtours. It's really melodic broken techno. Think titonton-styled cleanliness and approach with a little more warmfuzzy round the edges (not so sharp) and you're about there. Check it if your're into the broken stuff. Definitely techno tho, light, airy, but techno. (not sure how detroit it is tho) depends who you ask! sick sick record, holmes! derek.
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
I think you need a hug. ;) I'm pretty sick of hearing about rich. I'm not in a good mood today, so I'll try my hand at hating. I need to go outside and see the sun. I hate offices with no windows. I hate software installs. Right about now, I'm hating hyperbole. Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music Yeah, so far out in front he's not even making music anymore. his flawless sound Really!? cough sonar last yearcough glitch. His uncrackable image I've always thought cracked out geek WAS his image. genre pioneering styles. ShakeHood biter. What did he pioneer exactly? Well. Wasn't as bad as I thought. Hey I'm doing some edits and would like to share them w/peeps on this list. I'll post again when they're ready for upload, but in the meantime, does anyone have space they'd donate for a few hours to make them available? I don't sell edits and rarely share them, but I think someone might dig these (marrs... brass construction...). Holla. And last but not least. There's a track out by a fella named steevio called rogue patterns vol2 out on mindtours. It's really melodic broken techno. Think titonton-styled cleanliness and approach with a little more warmfuzzy round the edges (not so sharp) and you're about there. Check it if your're into the broken stuff. Definitely techno tho, light, airy, but techno. (not sure how detroit it is tho) :) Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems
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richie's publicity machine needs to calm down. however, i'm excited about hearing a mix that uses 5.1 surround sound. i think there are some really intersting possibilities for surround sound - much too interesting to be wasted on movie soundtracks. james www.jbucknell.com Aleš Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 313@hyperreal.org 27/05/05 05:22 AM cc Subject Please respond to (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: Aleš Hieng /DE9: Transition Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Second-generation Detroit-adjacent techno star Richie Hawtin is wrapping up work on his next mix-album, DE9: Transitions, which is due out in September, according to his publicist. The CD promises to push the concept of the mix-CD, with his label claiming that it will be the first fully encompassing 5.1-channel, surround-sound mix. It will also come packaged with a music-and-video DVD version, with visuals to go to the music. Hawtin has apparently been exploring the latest software technology from his new base in Berlin, and the mixes will apparently come not on the song-to-song level, but perhaps deeper, on a track-by-track (as in studio tracks -- voice, drum, synth, etc.) level, a la Sasha's work with Ableton Live. (Hawtin has had a custom Allen Heath Xone:92 mixer made to control Ableton Live via MIDI). The CD is the follow up to 2001's DE9: Closer to the Edit, and 1999's Decks, EFX 909, a well-received series that has pushed the boundaries of the DJ mix by adding effects and the Roland 909 drum machine to the equation. The electronic music world is incredibly difficult to stay ahead of. What is branded cool one week, might be slated as dirty the next. Endless techniques are used by artists and their management to try to keep themselves beyond mainstream musical comprehension, and therefore slipping from the razor’s edge where legends can be crafted. Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music. His uncrackable image matches his flawless sound and genre pioneering styles. After 4 years, he is back with his latest transformation, evolving alongside technology to ensure he doesn't get lost in a world of dated sounds, average compilations and half-assed singles. His studio in Berlin has been in full production for the third release in the DE9 series. Following on from Decks, EFX 909 in 1999 and then Closer to the Edit in 2001 DE9: Transitions is the long awaited latest mix from Hawtin. Utilising the latest recording technologies and automation techniques, he is said to explore not only the traditional musical transition over time and amplitude (X and Y) but the depth (Z) in terms of space and perception - bringing you much closer to the edit so to speak. Released in September of 2005 on CD DVD, DE9: Transitions will be recorded within a fully immersive 5.1 Surround Sound environment, complete with high resolution audio versions and accompanying visuals. Richie Hawtin will preview DE9: Transitions in 5.1 surround sound for the first time at Sonar, Barcelona (June 16 -18, 2005). ForwardSourceID:NT0001EA62
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
how many revolutions have been averted with a hug.. ; ) Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think you need a hug. ;) I'm pretty sick of hearing about rich.
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he needs http://grouphug.us ;-) Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think you need a hug. ;) I'm pretty sick of hearing about rich. I'm not in a good mood today, so I'll try my hand at hating. I need to go outside and see the sun. I hate offices with no windows. I hate software installs. Right about now, I'm hating hyperbole. Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music Yeah, so far out in front he's not even making music anymore. his flawless sound Really!? cough sonar last yearcough glitch. His uncrackable image I've always thought cracked out geek WAS his image. genre pioneering styles. ShakeHood biter. What did he pioneer exactly? Well. Wasn't as bad as I thought. Hey I'm doing some edits and would like to share them w/peeps on this list. I'll post again when they're ready for upload, but in the meantime, does anyone have space they'd donate for a few hours to make them available? I don't sell edits and rarely share them, but I think someone might dig these (marrs... brass construction...). Holla. And last but not least. There's a track out by a fella named steevio called rogue patterns vol2 out on mindtours. It's really melodic broken techno. Think titonton-styled cleanliness and approach with a little more warmfuzzy round the edges (not so sharp) and you're about there. Check it if your're into the broken stuff. Definitely techno tho, light, airy, but techno. (not sure how detroit it is tho) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFClraYhPPdWeHRgaoRAgVKAJsHIYlAZUIwhrlruKCq/mytM7c15wCg+s5Y jIOX6pe5/7yKa8Wv27l7wlE= =C9sN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
bwah hah hah he should release a b format version aswell I've got this idea for his next mix cd project where he releases all these individual songs and you mix them yourself.groundbreaking. Same as it ever was.. -- Sam K [EMAIL PROTECTED] sub-sequence 2xx 98.3fm
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Looking forward to this one actually, I don't mind the spin either, in fact I like it because it winds so many people up. Cheers Martin
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Hey I'm doing some edits and would like to share them w/peeps on this list *waves at Kamal* Hey Kamal, would love to check 'em, can you provide in wav format at all? Can do swaps, got a few blackheartdisco edits to share. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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richie's publicity machine needs to calm down. his PR has gotta keep up with Sasha's tho. mebbe that's what he meant by keeping aheadnowt to do with music :) robin...
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i agree..but then again, alot of promotion sounds corny. actually, to be honest, promotion per se is corny IMO. i now i feel awkward every time i have to write some PR stuff. plus richie is a mainstream techno artist, so you know his PR isn't exactly underground if you know what i mean. im not too surprised reading this sort of hyped out PR spin. plus, and this goes out to the hataz ;), richie hawtin has/is an innovator (yes along with shake, daniel bell et al.). i mean, just listen to that Hardtrax - Vol.3 release (http://www.discogs.com/release/131580) for example, done in 94 sounds sooo much like the Berlin/Perlon etc sound of 2003. for me that is a good indication that Hawtin very much is ahead of the pack and really does make progressive (take that literally please) music. im not trying to champion richie hawtin, nor am i a fan but you have to give credit where credit is due. fab. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aleš Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:28 AM Subject: Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition richie's publicity machine needs to calm down. however, i'm excited about hearing a mix that uses 5.1 surround sound. i think there are some really intersting possibilities for surround sound - much too interesting to be wasted on movie soundtracks. james www.jbucknell.com Aleš Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 313@hyperreal.org 27/05/05 05:22 AM cc Subject Please respond to (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: Aleš Hieng /DE9: Transition Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Second-generation Detroit-adjacent techno star Richie Hawtin is wrapping up work on his next mix-album, DE9: Transitions, which is due out in September, according to his publicist. The CD promises to push the concept of the mix-CD, with his label claiming that it will be the first fully encompassing 5.1-channel, surround-sound mix. It will also come packaged with a music-and-video DVD version, with visuals to go to the music. Hawtin has apparently been exploring the latest software technology from his new base in Berlin, and the mixes will apparently come not on the song-to-song level, but perhaps deeper, on a track-by-track (as in studio tracks -- voice, drum, synth, etc.) level, a la Sasha's work with Ableton Live. (Hawtin has had a custom Allen Heath Xone:92 mixer made to control Ableton Live via MIDI). The CD is the follow up to 2001's DE9: Closer to the Edit, and 1999's Decks, EFX 909, a well-received series that has pushed the boundaries of the DJ mix by adding effects and the Roland 909 drum machine to the equation. The electronic music world is incredibly difficult to stay ahead of. What is branded cool one week, might be slated as dirty the next. Endless techniques are used by artists and their management to try to keep themselves beyond mainstream musical comprehension, and therefore slipping from the razor’s edge where legends can be crafted. Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music. His uncrackable image matches his flawless sound and genre pioneering styles. After 4 years, he is back with his latest transformation, evolving alongside technology to ensure he doesn't get lost in a world of dated sounds, average compilations and half-assed singles. His studio in Berlin has been in full production for the third release in the DE9 series. Following on from Decks, EFX 909 in 1999 and then Closer to the Edit in 2001 DE9: Transitions is the long awaited latest mix from Hawtin. Utilising the latest recording technologies and automation techniques, he is said to explore not only the traditional musical transition over time and amplitude (X and Y) but the depth (Z) in terms of space and perception - bringing you much closer to the edit so to speak. Released in September of 2005 on CD DVD, DE9: Transitions will be recorded within a fully immersive 5.1 Surround Sound environment, complete with high resolution audio versions and accompanying visuals. Richie Hawtin will preview DE9: Transitions in 5.1 surround sound for the first time at Sonar, Barcelona (June 16 -18, 2005). ForwardSourceID:NT0001EA62
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i agree..but then again, alot of promotion sounds corny. actually, to be honest, promotion per se is corny IMO. i now i feel awkward every time i have to write some PR stuff. plus richie is a mainstream techno artist, so you know his PR isn't exactly underground if you know what i mean. im not too surprised reading this sort of hyped out PR spin. But what is underground? I would define it as doing nothing and anyone who hold up UR as doing it underground is just plain wrong, they had one of the best PR spins in techno I've ever witnessed. Martin
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for underground i meant less marketing talk, less bs - more straight to the point, stick to the facts type of thing..no superlatives, no dubious statements on one's status in the music world or i think what UR did was good for that time, now the international electronic music scene is a completely different game ie. more competition, more standardised product, so you have to make the public more aware. i feel that good product alone is not enough these days but i am hardly an expert...these are jsut some of the musings i do when thinking about label promotionbtw, this should go on the ir-labels yahoo group! fab. - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition i agree..but then again, alot of promotion sounds corny. actually, to be honest, promotion per se is corny IMO. i now i feel awkward every time i have to write some PR stuff. plus richie is a mainstream techno artist, so you know his PR isn't exactly underground if you know what i mean. im not too surprised reading this sort of hyped out PR spin. But what is underground? I would define it as doing nothing and anyone who hold up UR as doing it underground is just plain wrong, they had one of the best PR spins in techno I've ever witnessed. Martin
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But what is underground? Good question, not really sure I could tell you. next question, why on earth would anyone genuinely want to be underground? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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true, true! but UR did it differently.. than all this have born here and there blah blah got into electronics by age of xxx bla blah ^#*(@() have been spinning together with bla bla etc etc crap -- pretty much a pop industry approach [on the other hand, its always interesting to know=] anyway, i think Richie is a great innovator, its just funny in a way, especially when he is a kind of man who'd have a laught himself at his own PR ///Z Martin Dust wrote: But what is underground? I would define it as doing nothing and anyone who hold up UR as doing it underground is just plain wrong, they had one of the best PR spins in techno I've ever witnessed. Martin
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Nice. I feel much better now. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems -Original Message- From: David Gillies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:57 AM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he needs http://grouphug.us ;-) Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think you need a hug. ;)
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Yeah, you're right. Give him a thump instead. Just kiddin'. ;) -- From: ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 3:51 PM how many revolutions have been averted with a hug.. ; ) Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think you need a hug. ;) I'm pretty sick of hearing about rich.
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-- Original Message -- From: Ale Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music. His uncrackable image matches his flawless sound and genre pioneering styles. Utilising the latest recording technologies and automation techniques, he is said to explore not only the traditional musical transition over time and amplitude (X and Y) but the depth (Z) in terms of space and perception - bringing you much closer to the edit so to speak. i wonder if that guy ever feels corny about promoting himself like this. talk about laughing your way to the bank. tom andythepooh.com
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On May 26, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Aleš Hieng / Zergon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music. His uncrackable image matches his flawless sound and genre pioneering styles. Utilising the latest recording technologies and automation techniques, he is said to explore not only the traditional musical transition over time and amplitude (X and Y) but the depth (Z) in terms of space and perception - bringing you much closer to the edit so to speak. i wonder if that guy ever feels corny about promoting himself like this. talk about laughing your way to the bank. tom consistent!
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I'm pretty sick of hearing about rich. I'm not in a good mood today, so I'll try my hand at hating. I need to go outside and see the sun. I hate offices with no windows. I hate software installs. Right about now, I'm hating hyperbole. Richie Hawtin is far beyond the forefront of electronic music Yeah, so far out in front he's not even making music anymore. his flawless sound Really!? cough sonar last yearcough glitch. His uncrackable image I've always thought cracked out geek WAS his image. genre pioneering styles. ShakeHood biter. What did he pioneer exactly? Well. Wasn't as bad as I thought. Hey I'm doing some edits and would like to share them w/peeps on this list. I'll post again when they're ready for upload, but in the meantime, does anyone have space they'd donate for a few hours to make them available? I don't sell edits and rarely share them, but I think someone might dig these (marrs... brass construction...). Holla. And last but not least. There's a track out by a fella named steevio called rogue patterns vol2 out on mindtours. It's really melodic broken techno. Think titonton-styled cleanliness and approach with a little more warmfuzzy round the edges (not so sharp) and you're about there. Check it if your're into the broken stuff. Definitely techno tho, light, airy, but techno. (not sure how detroit it is tho) :) Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems
