Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
--- Null DuJour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone please point me in the direction of some kind of minimal experimnetal classical music? It would be greatly appreciated. thx. Keep an eye open for Titonton's forthcoming LP Selections for Intercourse. It's out in March next Year on his Residual label. I've heard it and the last few tunes on the CD go into full classical orchestration Titonton studied classical composition at Uni and is very into using the skills he learnt there in his lush electronic melodic house stuff... Very very good... l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
As well as those already mentioned I'd suggest Varese, he basically wanted new instruments, so was very interested in electronics, and at times his earlier stuff is a precursor to Sun Ra's 60s output (I hate that kind of classical composer X did it before jazz fella Y argument too - that's not what I'm trying to say, just stick Heliocentric Worlds 2 on after Varese and see what I mean) Try for starters his Offrandes, Integrales and Octandre stuff. I don't know about on CD (I don't have one) but there's an LP on Nonesuch which contains some (if not all, I don't have it to hand) of the above works. Also look out for Desertes - the first stereo broadcast over French airways - and Poeme Electronique, his most well known work. Other folk such as Stockhausen (try for Mixtur, Mikrophonie I II, Kontakte, Momente Originale) Reich (Sonatas and Interludes just begs to be sampled) have already been mentioned. As for first entry into the realm of 20th century Classical, go for the likes of Satie and Debussy (starting with their piano music) - especially the latter, who, if I may be so bold as to say so, is the father of 20th century music, full stop. It's worth picking up different recordings of the same pieces, there can be a massive (and interesting) difference of interpretation. So's to keep the purists happy: I mentioned Sun Ra who worked with Francisco Mora who worked with CARL CRAIG. I also said the word electronics. ;) Jonny. NP: Arthur Russell World Of Echo - seems appropriate to the matter in hand. (Who wanted to make music without drums, which is what DERRICK MAY said he does first when making music.)
RE: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
I remember that quote of May's, about music should be as good without drums as it is with - i.e. it should be able to stand on it's own without the rhythm section. Which is funny considering his pseudonym don't you think, and how many of his tracks are rhythm based? Also, what about the lp he was going to be producing of drummers (were they African?)... whatever has happened to that? And please tell me, is it any day now until the new Black Flag? (massive!) cheers, Dan (trying to keep as on topic as possible!) http://www,geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html http://www.mp3.com/DanButler -Original Message- From: Jonny McIntosh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 November 2000 11:44 To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical As well as those already mentioned I'd suggest Varese, he basically wanted new instruments, so was very interested in electronics, and at times his earlier stuff is a precursor to Sun Ra's 60s output (I hate that kind of classical composer X did it before jazz fella Y argument too - that's not what I'm trying to say, just stick Heliocentric Worlds 2 on after Varese and see what I mean) Try for starters his Offrandes, Integrales and Octandre stuff. I don't know about on CD (I don't have one) but there's an LP on Nonesuch which contains some (if not all, I don't have it to hand) of the above works. Also look out for Desertes - the first stereo broadcast over French airways - and Poeme Electronique, his most well known work. Other folk such as Stockhausen (try for Mixtur, Mikrophonie I II, Kontakte, Momente Originale) Reich (Sonatas and Interludes just begs to be sampled) have already been mentioned. As for first entry into the realm of 20th century Classical, go for the likes of Satie and Debussy (starting with their piano music) - especially the latter, who, if I may be so bold as to say so, is the father of 20th century music, full stop. It's worth picking up different recordings of the same pieces, there can be a massive (and interesting) difference of interpretation. So's to keep the purists happy: I mentioned Sun Ra who worked with Francisco Mora who worked with CARL CRAIG. I also said the word electronics. ;) Jonny. NP: Arthur Russell World Of Echo - seems appropriate to the matter in hand. (Who wanted to make music without drums, which is what DERRICK MAY said he does first when making music.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
From: debonair [EMAIL PROTECTED] the obvious are works by philip glass, steve reich, gavin bryars, arvo part. bryars is a fool. jesus blood never failed me is perhaps the lamest tune ever done! others: La Mont Young - his high tension wire pieces sound like pullover by speedy j John Cage - any man that amplifies a cactus is fine by me ;-) Xenakis Stockhausen Feldman more interesting(!) stuff: Nam June Paik, Ben Patterson Reich is the man though... his phase pieces, music for 18 muscians, tellihem (sp?!?!) *swoon* i've heard a lot of remixes of come out ... ken ishii played one last year on NYE... tan... -- graham [tan] wilson - i do because i couldn't care less [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fnord.fishwerx.org/tan
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Also, what about the lp he was going to be producing of drummers (were they African?)... whatever has happened to that? I thought it was Sundiata Ohm (sp?) who did some stuff on Prescription. At the time he said it p***ed all over the NuYorican Soul LP. I'm still waiting to see... And please tell me, is it any day now until the new Black Flag? (massive!) I hope I don't have to wait as long for this :) And I STILL haven't seen a copy of The Stand. Jonny.
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Reich is the man though... his phase pieces, music for 18 muscians, tellihem (sp?!?!) *swoon* i've heard a lot of remixes of come out ... ken ishii played one last year on NYE... Reich's drumming is fantastic. Its impossible to listen to it and not see the similarities to some techno - some of Rob Hood's stuff (particuarly some of Internal Empire like Minus) springs to mind. Scott.
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Nik Stoltzman wrote: A 'safe' place to start is with the compositions of Steve Reich and Philip Glass. My recommendations are: Steve Reich - Electric Counterpoint - Music For 18 Musicians Philip Glass - Solo Piano - Koyaanisqatsi (he seems to do a lot of film scores) Has anyone ever heard of 'Music for Woods' by Philip Glass. I've never been able to find it on CD or vinyl. Has it ever been released? Cheers, G
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
on 11/22/2000 8:42 PM, [tan] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bryars is a fool. jesus blood never failed me is perhaps the lamest tune ever done! Possibly you're allergic to Tom Waits? I challenge anyone to listen closely to Sinking of the Titanic in a cold, dark room and tell me Bryars is a fool. Reich is the man though... Agreed. For newbies out there, Reich's Electric Counterpoint was the source for the guitar loop made famous in the Orb's Little Fluffy Clouds. Reich's Drumming, Different Trains, and any of his marimba pieces are indispensable. -- There4IM
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Reich is the man though... his phase pieces, music for 18 muscians, tellihem (sp?!?!) *swoon* i've heard a lot of remixes of come out ... ken ishii How about Alvin Lucier? It's process music, not classical, but it's related to all the other artists that have been mentioned. Try I Am Sitting In A Room and Music On A Long Thin Wire. Josh Subversion is a waveform process.
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Apologies for drawing this out... on 11/22/2000 6:01 PM, Sam Karmel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should check out Reich's electric counterpoint Its 12 tracks of steve vie playing guitar. Reich mixes them in a truly beautiful and creative way. Not Steve Vie. Not even Steve Vai (ugh). It's Pat Metheny. http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amgsql=A146128 It would be cool to do a remix of this except the time signatures are to complex. Too complex for who? Who needs a straight 4/4 for a remix? -- There4IM
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
didn't Frank Zippa do something in the minimal classical area?? Anyways, I don't know if its minimal per se, but I gained A LOT of influence from Debussy's etudes recordings for piano... There's one song towards the end that does this odd timing thing, very techno... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Null DuJour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: [313] musical question ... minimal classical Could anyone please point me in the direction of some kind of minimal experimnetal classical music? It would be greatly appreciated. thx. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
Could anyone please point me in the direction of some kind of minimal experimnetal classical music? It would be greatly appreciated. thx. there's so many ways to go with this: Schoenberg, Reich, Glass, uh... Gavin Bryars BUT start off with Erik Satie. You can get decent budget priced Naxos versions of his complete piano works at most big chain stores. Challenging, lovely stuff - and a big influence on people like Eno who in turn has influenced people like D. May, who in turn is one of the reasons for this list (wanna keep topics in 313-land, ya know). ; ) Satie's influence is *all over* contemporary electronics based music. peace, Jorge --+++--- SUN RUNNERS compilation on *ism records* Out November 21. Tracks by yours truly as DUERMO, Twilight Circus, DJ Spinna, Swingsett/JWarrin and others. Check It. - _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
