Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF

2005-11-24 Thread Wojtek

On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
I rarely participate in these 313 food fights,
snip

I think we can thank Earle for that, taking my critical view of a 
particular group of SF promoters as a personal attack, while quoting my 
message which EXPLICITLY states that I am critical of their approach to 
booking who are supposed to be the vanguard of minimal techno, a large 
genre which encompasses quite a few varying styles, while they only 
focus on a single sub-group of this wider genre.
If the these promoters can't see a legitimate concern of a music fan as 
a dissenting opinion but instead get all huffy and puffy about the fact 
that someone DARED speak up about their concern that these producers 
are not really a fair representation of a larger scene, then maybe they 
need to grow some thicker skin.  Or is SF a genre monopoly now?  we 
say who is or isn't minimal, and we do so with our booking selection, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]|t! And anyone who thinks differently needs to SHUT UP!


And if producers cannot read a post that contains a balanced criticism 
of their performance thoroughly enough, instead of choosing to 
personally attack me for not bowing my head to them no matter what I 
thought of their music at a show, then maybe that producer should see 
whether they're doing music out of the love for it, or out a need to be 
unanimoously praised about their every and any creative direction they 
choose to take.



Wojtek




but the comment
below is one of the most self-indulgent and indeed laughable
ones seen here in a long, long time.

It certainly doesn't portray John Tejada in any fashion relating
to, you know, reality.

John's work as a DJ and producer stands on its own merits
and most will agree with me that he's one of the best we've
got out there in the electronic music world.

Fred

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To: 313@hyperreal.org
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Subject: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:35:11 -0500

On 11/23/05, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 I don't ordinarily jump in to idiotic arguments like this but when
 my homeboys are attacked, I gotta represent.

 I showed this post to John Tejada (via the elists.Resynthesize site)
 and he said Who is this Wojtek retard?  I have nothing to do with
 Hawtin or his label, I'm not some trendy/popular producer, and there
 were 500 people there loving it and it looks like the 4 that didn't
 just had to rush to their computers to diss it.   'Nuff said.

he's not a trendy producer? thats laughable. his entire career has
been built off of associating himself with whatever genre/style is
popular at the time! he's never had a signature sound because his
signature sound is ripping off other artists. he can appeal to the 500
hipster morons in attendance all he wants, it doesnt make his music
any better or more original. and we're all really impressed that you
know tejada by the way, thanks for letting us in on that!

when you have your buddy redshift agreeing with you, its not a good
day for the common sense of your argument.

tom





Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF

2005-11-23 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I rarely participate in these 313 food fights, but the comment
 below is one of the most self-indulgent and indeed laughable
 ones seen here in a long, long time.

 It certainly doesn't portray John Tejada in any fashion relating
 to, you know, reality.

yeah, im just making it up because i felt like it. right. i dont need
arguments in support of what ive said right now because i know its
correct. but i know other people feel the same way, including some
people whose work john has appropriated for his own style.

 John's work as a DJ and producer stands on its own merits
 and most will agree with me that he's one of the best we've
 got out there in the electronic music world.

wow, we may as well give up now if all we have to offer the world is
indie rock guitar nonsense and crappy glitch house. at least when he
was ripping off detroit techno he picked a good genre to imitate. his
broken beat stuff and his jungle stuff is laughable, it actually
offended me in its blandness.

tom


Fw: Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF

2005-11-23 Thread Fred Heutte
Well, you go right on being offended, Tom.  Just don't
be surprised with all the snickering around you.

fh

-- mail forwarded, original message follows --

To: 313@hyperreal.org
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:39:10 -0500

On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I rarely participate in these 313 food fights, but the comment
 below is one of the most self-indulgent and indeed laughable
 ones seen here in a long, long time.

 It certainly doesn't portray John Tejada in any fashion relating
 to, you know, reality.

yeah, im just making it up because i felt like it. right. i dont need
arguments in support of what ive said right now because i know its
correct. but i know other people feel the same way, including some
people whose work john has appropriated for his own style.

 John's work as a DJ and producer stands on its own merits
 and most will agree with me that he's one of the best we've
 got out there in the electronic music world.

wow, we may as well give up now if all we have to offer the world is
indie rock guitar nonsense and crappy glitch house. at least when he
was ripping off detroit techno he picked a good genre to imitate. his
broken beat stuff and his jungle stuff is laughable, it actually
offended me in its blandness.

tom




Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF

2005-11-23 Thread Fred Heutte
I guess I don't get the fixation of the whole argument about
genre to begin with.

Gabber handbag, that's what the punters want!  They told me
in personal email!!

fh



Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF

2005-11-23 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, you go right on being offended, Tom.  Just don't
 be surprised with all the snickering around you.

snickering is nothing compared to my reaction to people playing any
tejada record outside of timebomb.

tom