Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Paul Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

Consumer Reports says,

"A massive data breach at Equifax compromised sensitive data for nearly half of 
all U.S. consumers — including names, social security numbers, birth dates, 
addresses, and the numbers of some driver's licenses. Hundreds of thousands of 
credit card numbers were also compromised. Now millions of Americans could be 
at risk for identity theft.

To make matters worse, Equifax responded by sending consumers to a website 
where, by signing up for credit monitoring services, they could waive their 
legal rights to ever take Equifax to court, for any problem.”

Paul Ringsmuth

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:23 PM,Chip Scheide wrote:
> 
>> I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when 
>> Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over 
>> 140,000,000 people.
> 
> I checked the website they published and it says my information was stolen. 
> So now I have to wait until 9/12/17 and then go back to the website and 
> enroll in their free identity theft coverage. 
> 
> The company that reports how good your credit is will now be the one that 
> destroys your credit rating. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Isn’t 
> this nice. 
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

Experian did this as well (on a smaller scale) a few years ago. Same response, 
"sorry about that, we will give you a year of free credit monitoring". When I 
looked into what they asked for to sign up for "free" credit monitoring, it 
just looked like another opportunity to have my data hacked from another 
company. Instead I just froze my credit. The irony is that I had to pay 
Experian plus the other two big credit companies $10 each to do that. What's 
wrong with this picture?

John DeSoi, Ph.D.


https://www.t-mobile.com/landing/experian-data-breach-faq.html

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when 
> Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over 
> 140,000,000 people.

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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:23 PM,Balinder Walia wrote:

> ...and Equifax data breach included credit card numbers too.

The credit card companies will have to eat all of this. At least in America, if 
you report your credit card has been stolen, they will remove any bogus 
charges. It is a pain-in-the-ass and wastes your time, but in the end you will 
not be out any money. (Speaking from experience. I had my wallet stolen in Rome 
earlier this year and had to go though all of the mess of canceling and getting 
new cards. No money lost, but a lot of inconvenience and phone calls to clear 
it all up.)

Tim


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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:23 PM,Chip Scheide wrote:

> I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when 
> Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over 
> 140,000,000 people.

I checked the website they published and it says my information was stolen. So 
now I have to wait until 9/12/17 and then go back to the website and enroll in 
their free identity theft coverage. 

The company that reports how good your credit is will now be the one that 
destroys your credit rating. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Isn’t 
this nice. 

Tim


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Re: OBJECT get variable type

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

Hello,

the variable type property serves two purposes:

to filter the display in the property list,
and to declare the data source variable type in case no variable name is 
defined.

otherwise, you only need to know OBJECT Get type which is constant for the 
object,
and OBJECT Get pointer which tells you the type of the current bound variable.

notice the term "current".

the bound variable can change at runtime (see OBJECT SET DATA SOURCE),
so the initial "variable type" has no real value in code.

> 2017/09/09 3:18、Piotr Chabot Stadhouders via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> のメール：
>
> How can I get the value of this property?
> I can retrieve the type of the attached variable, but how can I get the 
> "Variable Type" property?




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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

Compliance consisted of answering an online questionnaire and passing the scan. 
 Not storing customer credit card information made a big difference in lowering 
the "level" of security that we had to meet (Equifax level).  It made the 
questionnaire part much easier to pass.

Our cable modem sends all traffic to the AirPort, which has the outside IP 
address on the WAN port.  It forwards the VPN packets to the macOS Server which 
has the VPN service turned on.I rechecked and there is no forwarding of the 
credit card machine ports.  It seems the presence of the VPN was the trick.

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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> I'm just getting back around to this - I like the idea of a VPN. I have
> three locations I need to accomodate and have to admit I haven't done
> anything with a VPN so if you'll allow me to ask some pretty naive
> questions:
> 
> Did you set up the VPN just within the router or get an actual VPN service
> to connect to?
> 
> I actually wanted to get some DSL lines but at a couple of locations ATT
> won't even install copper lines anymore.
> 
> ​Were you involved in the overall certification PCI certification process?
> I'm wondering about stuff like the internal paper handling aspects of the
> deal. Any insight is welcome.
> 
> Thanks much!​
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kirk,
>> 
>> I can't say that I understand the nuances of the system to the point of
>> having any details to contribute, but after lots of trying to figure it out
>> the thing that finally allowed us to pass the scan was to use a VPN.  We
>> open only the VPN ports and the ports required by the credit card machines.
>> We use the Apple Server's VPN and an AirPort Extreme.
>> 
>> I did not think to ask the compliance people if I could register the
>> standard 4D ports with them so that having those ports open would not
>> trigger a violation.  On the other hand, I think I read that credit card
>> machines are supposed to be on a separate network anyway.  A low speed DSL
>> would work.
>> 
>> Keith - CDI
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If anyone has experience with successfully completing a PCI/DSS audit and
>>> certification for your network, not just the 4D part, I would really
>>> appreciate talking with you. Ping me off line.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kirk Brooks
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
>>> nothing.*
>>> 
>>> *- Edmund Burke*
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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Okay. I guess it’s nice to know I’m not the only one seeing this. Sorry for you 
guys, though! :-)

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Hill Spring, AB Canada
403-626-3236




> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:33 PM, BTB-David  wrote:
> 
> I would say about that yes.  We have several server processes and only one 
> gets called to our attention for not working.  No one complains about the 
> others and I haven’t looked into it to see if they have stopped too and no 
> one noticed or if they are still happily working.  I’ve been meaning to spend 
> some time looking at it and haven’t had a chance yet.
> 

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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[BTB-David via 4D_Tech]

Cannon,

I would say about that yes.  We have several server processes and only one gets 
called to our attention for not working.  No one complains about the others and 
I haven’t looked into it to see if they have stopped too and no one noticed or 
if they are still happily working.  I’ve been meaning to spend some time 
looking at it and haven’t had a chance yet.

Thanks!

David Conley
By The Book, Inc.
Office: 815-234-7530
Direct Line: 815-406-5502
Fax: 815-234-7532
http://www.bythebook.com




> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> How about timing? Just once every two-three months per server like us?
> 








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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[BTB-Gmail via 4D_Tech]

Steve,

I am seeing it in v15R5 as well as v16.0 build 16.209177.  We plan on our next 
release to be on v16.2 but we’re not there yet.

Thanks!

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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Stephen J. Orth  
> wrote:
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> David, <>
>  
> Have you upgraded to the official V16 version (V16, V16.1, or V16.2) and has 
> this problem stayed, or gone away?
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RE: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Cannon,

I'm in the same boat.  I cannot provide enough information to support a 4D TS 
case, but something is not right...stability has gone to hell.  I've gone from 
using 2004 which was rock solid, to progressively less stable conditions, to 
where now with V15 R5 I literally have someone logging into every one of our 
customers server on a daily basis, just to catch any issues.

I'm trying to see if we can move to V16.2 and hope this is better?


Steve

-Original Message-
From: Cannon Smith [mailto:can...@synergyfarmsolutions.com] 
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Subject: Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

I jumped from v15.x where it was working fine to v16.1. Since you’re at v15 r5, 
maybe it was something that was introduced in one of the v15 R releases.

I haven’t posted anything before because I don’t have much that is concrete, 
but it has happened enough to know something is going on.

Thanks.

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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi David,

How about timing? Just once every two-three months per server like us?

Thanks.

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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:19 PM, BTB-David via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We started seeing the same problem when we upgraded to v15R5 too.  A process 
> that ran for years on older versions just like Cannon described just stopped 
> doing it’s thing.  A reboot resolves it.  We are seeing it on 32 bit server 
> Mac & Windows.

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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

I jumped from v15.x where it was working fine to v16.1. Since you’re at v15 r5, 
maybe it was something that was introduced in one of the v15 R releases.

I haven’t posted anything before because I don’t have much that is concrete, 
but it has happened enough to know something is going on.

Thanks.

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Hill Spring, AB Canada
403-626-3236




> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Stephen J. Orth  
> wrote:
> 
> I can provide only antidotal information, but we too are seeing something 
> like this.  We happen to be using V15 R5, which is basically V16, however 
> since upgrading to it we have seen A LOT of server related issues that we 
> have never encountered before.  The code ran just fine in V13...

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Re: Server Process "Frozen"-ish

[BTB-David via 4D_Tech]

We started seeing the same problem when we upgraded to v15R5 too.  A process 
that ran for years on older versions just like Cannon described just stopped 
doing it’s thing.  A reboot resolves it.  We are seeing it on 32 bit server Mac 
& Windows.

Thanks!

David Conley
By The Book, Inc.
Office: 815-234-7530
Direct Line: 815-406-5502
Fax: 815-234-7532
http://www.bythebook.com




> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannon,
> 
> I can provide only antidotal information, but we too are seeing something 
> like this.  We happen to be using V15 R5, which is basically V16, however 
> since upgrading to it we have seen A LOT of server related issues that we 
> have never encountered before.  The code ran just fine in V13...
> 








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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Sannyasin Siddhanathaswami via 4D_Tech]

Guess they weren’t PCI compliant…

PCI compliance is a huge pain. I highly recommend taking the route of not doing 
charges in house. It avoids most of the issues.

Sannyasin Siddhanathaswami

On Sep 8, 2017, 9:17 AM -1000, wrote:

I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when
Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over
140,000,000 people.
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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Balinder Walia via 4D_Tech]

...and Equifax data breach included credit card numbers too.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 at 20:17, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when
> Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over
> 140,000,000 people.
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:38:38 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> > I'm just getting back around to this - I like the idea of a VPN. I have
> > three locations I need to accomodate and have to admit I haven't done
> > anything with a VPN so if you'll allow me to ask some pretty naive
> > questions:
> >
> > Did you set up the VPN just within the router or get an actual VPN
> service
> > to connect to?
> >
> > I actually wanted to get some DSL lines but at a couple of locations ATT
> > won't even install copper lines anymore.
> >
> > ​Were you involved in the overall certification PCI certification
> process?
> > I'm wondering about stuff like the internal paper handling aspects of the
> > deal. Any insight is welcome.
> >
> > Thanks much!​
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kirk,
> >>
> >> I can't say that I understand the nuances of the system to the point of
> >> having any details to contribute, but after lots of trying to figure it
> out
> >> the thing that finally allowed us to pass the scan was to use a VPN.  We
> >> open only the VPN ports and the ports required by the credit card
> machines.
> >> We use the Apple Server's VPN and an AirPort Extreme.
> >>
> >> I did not think to ask the compliance people if I could register the
> >> standard 4D ports with them so that having those ports open would not
> >> trigger a violation.  On the other hand, I think I read that credit card
> >> machines are supposed to be on a separate network anyway.  A low speed
> DSL
> >> would work.
> >>
> >> Keith - CDI
> >>
> >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> >> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If anyone has experience with successfully completing a PCI/DSS audit
> and
> >>> certification for your network, not just the 4D part, I would really
> >>> appreciate talking with you. Ping me off line.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kirk Brooks
> >>> San Francisco, CA
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> >>> nothing.*
> >>>
> >>> *- Edmund Burke*
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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I find the idea that it is necessary to implement PCI ironic, when 
Equifax just lost the SS numbers, and other personal data of over 
140,000,000 people.


On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:38:38 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Hi Keith,
> I'm just getting back around to this - I like the idea of a VPN. I have
> three locations I need to accomodate and have to admit I haven't done
> anything with a VPN so if you'll allow me to ask some pretty naive
> questions:
> 
> Did you set up the VPN just within the router or get an actual VPN service
> to connect to?
> 
> I actually wanted to get some DSL lines but at a couple of locations ATT
> won't even install copper lines anymore.
> 
> ​Were you involved in the overall certification PCI certification process?
> I'm wondering about stuff like the internal paper handling aspects of the
> deal. Any insight is welcome.
> 
> Thanks much!​
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kirk,
>> 
>> I can't say that I understand the nuances of the system to the point of
>> having any details to contribute, but after lots of trying to figure it out
>> the thing that finally allowed us to pass the scan was to use a VPN.  We
>> open only the VPN ports and the ports required by the credit card machines.
>> We use the Apple Server's VPN and an AirPort Extreme.
>> 
>> I did not think to ask the compliance people if I could register the
>> standard 4D ports with them so that having those ports open would not
>> trigger a violation.  On the other hand, I think I read that credit card
>> machines are supposed to be on a separate network anyway.  A low speed DSL
>> would work.
>> 
>> Keith - CDI
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If anyone has experience with successfully completing a PCI/DSS audit and
>>> certification for your network, not just the 4D part, I would really
>>> appreciate talking with you. Ping me off line.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [OFF] PCI/DSS compliance

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hi Keith,
I'm just getting back around to this - I like the idea of a VPN. I have
three locations I need to accomodate and have to admit I haven't done
anything with a VPN so if you'll allow me to ask some pretty naive
questions:

Did you set up the VPN just within the router or get an actual VPN service
to connect to?

I actually wanted to get some DSL lines but at a couple of locations ATT
won't even install copper lines anymore.

​Were you involved in the overall certification PCI certification process?
I'm wondering about stuff like the internal paper handling aspects of the
deal. Any insight is welcome.

Thanks much!​


On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> I can't say that I understand the nuances of the system to the point of
> having any details to contribute, but after lots of trying to figure it out
> the thing that finally allowed us to pass the scan was to use a VPN.  We
> open only the VPN ports and the ports required by the credit card machines.
> We use the Apple Server's VPN and an AirPort Extreme.
>
> I did not think to ask the compliance people if I could register the
> standard 4D ports with them so that having those ports open would not
> trigger a violation.  On the other hand, I think I read that credit card
> machines are supposed to be on a separate network anyway.  A low speed DSL
> would work.
>
> Keith - CDI
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > If anyone has experience with successfully completing a PCI/DSS audit and
> > certification for your network, not just the 4D part, I would really
> > appreciate talking with you. Ping me off line.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Kirk Brooks
> > San Francisco, CA
> > ===
> >
> > *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> > nothing.*
> >
> > *- Edmund Burke*
> > **
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OBJECT get variable type

[Piotr Chabot Stadhouders via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

V16

Maybe this is a stupid question but I just don't see it :
When putting a variable on a form and set a variable name to t I attach a 
variable to the object, for example a C_TEXT variable
However, there is also a property "Variable Type", that doesn't necessarily has 
to be of type text, but can be string from example

How can I get the value of this property?
I can retrieve the type of the attached variable, but how can I get the 
"Variable Type" property?

Thanks in advance,

Piotr

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Re: 4D dot releases versus R releases - a metaphor

[Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech]

No, it’s just Friday…

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:20 AM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Doug Hall via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> What's wrong with using semantic versioning, like the rest of the entire
>> freaking world?
>> 
> 
> Wait, are you saying that just because something has been confusing for
> years, offers no obvious benefits to anyone, and is unlike common practice
> that 4D should change it? Huh, concept.
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Re: 4D dot releases versus R releases - a metaphor

[David Adams via 4D_Tech]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Doug Hall via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> wrote:

> What's wrong with using semantic versioning, like the rest of the entire
> freaking world?
>

Wait, are you saying that just because something has been confusing for
years, offers no obvious benefits to anyone, and is unlike common practice
that 4D should change it? Huh, concept.
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Re: 4D dot releases versus R releases - a metaphor

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

exactly...
can't be the asme  (same)

:)


On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:41:01 -0500, Doug Hall via 4D_Tech wrote:
> What's wrong with using semantic versioning, like the rest of the entire
> freaking world?
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Re: 4D dot releases versus R releases - a metaphor

[Doug Hall via 4D_Tech]

What's wrong with using semantic versioning, like the rest of the entire
freaking world?

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Not to drill too deeply, but no new features != no new changes. 16.2 for
> instance updates the Xerces engine, which apparently changed the case
> sensitivity of existing XML commands.
>
> And I think the company line is that R releases (the non-beta ones) are
> customer ready.
>
> But generally, yes, the R releases have been presented as warm ups to the
> next X.0 release. I.e, v 16 R(the last one)  = v 17
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:37 PM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > This new keyboard is just killing me. Anyway, ignore the incomplete
> version
> > of this method.
> >
> > I was reminded yesterday that it's pretty easy not to understand the
> > difference between dot releases and R releases. I guess it's the
> numbering?
> > I do understand it now (it took a few years), but it's still hard to
> > explain. I though of a new way so I'm tossing out two explanation.s
> >
> > Dot releases
> > 16.0  16.1   16.2  etc.
> > These are all incremental versions of 16.0. *No new features*, just bug
> > fixes.
> >
> > 16 R216 R3   16 R4
> > These are 16.0+ bug fixes +new features.
> >
> > New features do *not* go into dot releases, they *only* go into R
> releases.
> > 16.x is feature set for its entire lifetime, only bug fixes are added.
> >
> > Okay, that's the basic story but what hit me yesterday is that it might
> > help to think of R releases in a different way:
> >
> > 17 B1   17 B2   17 B3
> >
> > Let me say right away that this is *not* accurate. They're not really
> quite
> > betas, but if you're thinking about it from the features point of view,
> > only dot releases ended in 0 get new features. So, in this sense, R
> > releases are beta releases of *features* for the next whole number dot
> > release.
>
>
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Re: Setting a detail subform's scroll position programmatically

[Piotr Chabot Stadhouders via 4D_Tech]

> On Jul 18, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Jeff Grann wrote:

>

> 4Dv14/v15

>

> There doesn't seem to be a way to set a detail subform's scroll position 
> programmatically. OBJECT SET SCROLL POSITION doesn't work with detail 
> subforms.

>

> Am I missing something? Is there a workaround?

>


Dear Jeff Grann,

Windows 10, 4D v16
2 years after your post I have the same question : Is there a way to 
programmatically set the scroll position of a detail subform.
Is this already possible some way or the other? Or do you already have a 
workaround?

Gr,

Piotr

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