RE: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

> Discovered a couple of days ago that the Win10 printer creates huge pdf files 
> in comparison to pdfCreator.
> One report containing graph images is around 200KB from pdfCreator and is 
> over 8MB with Print to PDF.

This is a very interesting observation that I was previously unaware of (or 
forgot).

It seems that many people that use the Microsoft Print to PDF feature share the 
same view as you. The following page has an example of a PDF file that is saved 
as 411 Kb using PDFCreator and 3,148 KB using MS Print to PDF:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware-winpc/print-to-pdf-files-too-large/52000742-6092-428e-836a-9329d043468a

It is also talked about there:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/forum/edge_other-edge_win10/how-to-reduce-file-size-when-print-to-pdf/6dd3505d-9b2f-44c3-9902-af684dcdd5ac
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-performance-winpc/why-are-files-printed-with-print-to-pdf-so-huge/6c140441-00c0-4302-b903-3527f2f725b2
https://superuser.com/questions/1151957/how-to-reduce-file-size-produced-by-microsoft-print-to-pdf

From looking over the posts online, it seems that Microsoft may not offer any 
form of compression on their PDF file, while PDFCreator and Adobe do.





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Re: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech]

We are using both pdfCreator and Win10’s “Print to PDF” printers - pdfCreator 
for pre-Win10 machines.
It switches according to the OS version.

Discovered a couple of days ago that the Win10 printer creates huge pdf files 
in comparison to pdfCreator.
One report containing graph images is around 200KB from pdfCreator and is over 
8MB with Print to PDF.
This report is sent as an attachment to an email created by 4D 
InternetCommands, and the large pdf will not send (error 10046 is given but 
it’s really because the attachment is too big).

We switched to using “Print to PDF” (where possible) when we suddenly started 
having problems with pdfCreator running in an RDP connection to the cloud that 
uses WinServer 2016 (both 4D v15.2 and v17).
Not sure why it started playing up but I though a simple switch to “Print to 
PDF” would solve the problems - except now we have the file size problem.
Hardly anything is ever straight forward...

BTW, print preview in v17 seems to have a problem as well when RDP access is 
used - it just doesn’t display anything after the print has finished (haven’t 
figured out why yet).
Cheers, Keith
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Re: v13+ Opening a structure interpreted

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Thanks all


On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:50:51 -0400, Charles Miller via 4D_Tech wrote:
> I think there is a menu option to restart interpreted.
> Look at tghe following tech tips
> 
>  http://kb.4d.com/assetid=76900
>  http://kb.4d.com/assetid=50815
> 
> regards
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:20 PM Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> I set a database to run compiled, I now want to open it interpretedly.
>> I can not load the database because there are uncompiled components.
>> 
>> Is there a key combination which will allow me to choose the how to
>> open the database (compiled or interpretedly)?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Chip
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Re: v13+ Opening a structure interpreted

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

I think there is a menu option to restart interpreted.
Look at tghe following tech tips

 http://kb.4d.com/assetid=76900
 http://kb.4d.com/assetid=50815

regards

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> I set a database to run compiled, I now want to open it interpretedly.
> I can not load the database because there are uncompiled components.
>
> Is there a key combination which will allow me to choose the how to
> open the database (compiled or interpretedly)?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
>
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Re: v13+ Opening a structure interpreted

[Jeremy French via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chip,

Yes.

Open 4D first.
Choose “File -> Open -> Open Local Database.
After highlighting the database, do the following:

On PC, click the drop down menu icon found on the “Open” button
On Mac, click the “Options” button at bottom left.

For both platforms a drop menu then appears. Choose “Interpretive”.

- Jeremy French

> On Sep 13, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is there a key combination which will allow me to choose the how to 
> open the database (compiled or interpretedly)?

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Re: v13+ Opening a structure interpreted

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Chip:

Don't know of a key combination but you could probably could do this
without a mouse.

Select "Local Database" from the File menu and you'll see a dropdown in the
lower right corner of the open file dialog (lower left on OS X). You can
choose between compiled, interpreted, or MSC though compiled may be greyed
out if there is no compiled code.

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4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I set a database to run compiled, I now want to open it interpretedly.
> I can not load the database because there are uncompiled components.
>
> Is there a key combination which will allow me to choose the how to
> open the database (compiled or interpretedly)?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
>
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v13+ Opening a structure interpreted

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I set a database to run compiled, I now want to open it interpretedly.
I can not load the database because there are uncompiled components.

Is there a key combination which will allow me to choose the how to 
open the database (compiled or interpretedly)?

Thanks
Chip

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Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Ronnie Teo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Justin,

The SET ABOUT command is not used in this app.
When testing David’s suggestion, I had also tested running the service both 
with and without checking the “Allow Service to interact with desktop” checkbox 
to no avail.

I think I’ll just have to weigh between running v15.5 Server (32-bit) as a 
Windows Service OR v15.5 Server (64-bit) as a direct application.
One of the reasons why we are transitioning from v11 to v15 is that the data 
size is growing while the hardware server had started to show signs of lagging.
The speed gain from the 64-bit 4D Server would surely come in handy while on 
the support side, the user’s IT would much prefer a setup where the database 
can easily be restarted via an automatic Windows service (which is where the 
32-bit 4D Server would tick the boxes)…..

Regards,
Ronnie

> On 13 Sep 2018, at 4:34 PM, 4ustinc...@geniesolutions.com.au wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm also chiming in late on this one but it sounds similar to an issue we 
> encountered with v16R3. The application would crash when run as a service 
> when calling SET ABOUT during the server startup. I think you could avoid the 
> crash by ticking the "Allow service to interact with desktop" checkbox, or by 
> removing the call to SET ABOUT.
> 
> cheers
> J
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Re: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

Armin

Can advise pricing for developer and deployment in server environments

Thanks and regards

Chuck

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:11 AM ADeeg via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> if you need a stable rock solid solution to print pdf files on windows,
> have
> a look at our pdf plugin with pdf driver.
>
> pdf printer driver and 32/64 Bit 4D plugin (v17 too ;-)
> no boring update messages
> much smaller pdfs than the win 10 built in driver
> add bookmarks
> add letter forms
> mail with ms outlook
> combine different print jobs to a single pdf with bookmarks and
> letterforms
> 
> and much more features
>
> free up your head, save time and use it for all windows plattforms
> Try it, integrate it, buy it and forget all the previous trouble with
> different solutions
> no annual fees
>
> Link: http://www.node.de/indexplug.htm
>
> We use it in our own vertical market software and the plugin gets updates
> since 14 years
>
> Regards Armin
>
>
> Lutz wrote
> > I second the statement below. We did some testing with PDF Creator in the
> > Past and were not convinced. Especially we wanted to use it on the server
> > side,
> > creating PDFs for providing via the webserver.
> > First, it was not stable.
> > Second, we had to explain which software we want to install on the
> > customer's server and we are observed during the install process. And PDF
> > creator
> > showed a bit strange behavior, it didn't look like a professional
> software
> > at least
> > with the version 4D requires (1.7).
> > And last but not least, for any reason we leave an installation archive
> of
> > PDF creator on one of our developing servers and got recently an
> > information
> > From our inhouse IT department because a virus scanner detected it as
> > malware:
> >   Fileshare : \...\PDFCreator-1_7_3_setup.exe
> >   Malware Severity: Severe
> >   Category: Potentially Unwanted Software
> >
> > Hmm ...
> >
> > Regards
> > Lutz
>
>
>
>
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RE: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[ADeeg via 4D_Tech]

Hi all,

if you need a stable rock solid solution to print pdf files on windows, have
a look at our pdf plugin with pdf driver.

pdf printer driver and 32/64 Bit 4D plugin (v17 too ;-)
no boring update messages
much smaller pdfs than the win 10 built in driver
add bookmarks
add letter forms
mail with ms outlook
combine different print jobs to a single pdf with bookmarks and letterforms 

and much more features

free up your head, save time and use it for all windows plattforms
Try it, integrate it, buy it and forget all the previous trouble with
different solutions
no annual fees

Link: http://www.node.de/indexplug.htm

We use it in our own vertical market software and the plugin gets updates
since 14 years

Regards Armin


Lutz wrote
> I second the statement below. We did some testing with PDF Creator in the
> Past and were not convinced. Especially we wanted to use it on the server
> side,
> creating PDFs for providing via the webserver.
> First, it was not stable.
> Second, we had to explain which software we want to install on the
> customer's server and we are observed during the install process. And PDF
> creator
> showed a bit strange behavior, it didn't look like a professional software
> at least
> with the version 4D requires (1.7).
> And last but not least, for any reason we leave an installation archive of
> PDF creator on one of our developing servers and got recently an
> information
> From our inhouse IT department because a virus scanner detected it as
> malware:
>   Fileshare : \...\PDFCreator-1_7_3_setup.exe
>   Malware Severity: Severe
>   Category: Potentially Unwanted Software
> 
> Hmm ...
> 
> Regards
> Lutz





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Re: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

I agree that PDF Creator is terrible on the server. I tried it briefly and
it was a headache. In addition to the points Lutz made doing any printing
Server side restricts you to a single print job at a time. That can become
a problem - you have to write your own print job que. Plus PDFC can throw
errors on the server and block operations with a dialog.

If you must use PDFC only allow it to run on a client machine so the user
can deal with issues. Of course then you have the issues of whatever OS the
user has.

When I finally switched to Rob Laveaux's QPDF plug in and build PDFs
strictly with code those sorts of problems stopped. It's more work than
making a 4D form but you can test it, debug it and control it in code and
aren't limited by the print engine in making multiple documents at the same
time.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:34 AM Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I second the statement below. We did some testing with PDF Creator in the
> Past and were not convinced. Especially we wanted to use it on the server
> side,
> creating PDFs for providing via the webserver.
> First, it was not stable.
> Second, we had to explain which software we want to install on the
> customer's server and we are observed during the install process. And PDF
> creator
> showed a bit strange behavior, it didn't look like a professional software
> at least
> with the version 4D requires (1.7).
> And last but not least, for any reason we leave an installation archive of
> PDF creator on one of our developing servers and got recently an
> information
> From our inhouse IT department because a virus scanner detected it as
> malware:
> Fileshare : \...\PDFCreator-1_7_3_setup.exe
> Malware Severity: Severe
> Category: Potentially Unwanted Software
>
> Hmm ...
>
> Regards
> Lutz
>
> > There is a risk using a particular version of utility software that is
> not
> > being actively developed. There are a years of bug fixes and
> compatibility
> fixes that are
> > not there and there is always the risk that a future Windows or 4D update
> could break the
> > solution.
> >
> > With the strong focus on software security, audits of installed software
> > highlight software that is out of date or no longer receiving updates.
> PDF
> Creator
> > v1.7 would fall in to the category.
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Cursor position in 4D method editor is wrong a few pixels

[Piotr Chabot Stadhouders via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Tested on Windows 4D v17.0
When I click with my mouse in a text string (enclosed by double quotes) in the 
4D method editor, the cursor position is often wrong a few pixels
Then it looks like the cursor is after character Y, but it IS after character X 
(1 character before Y)
Does anybody else see this behavior?
What can I do about this?
It is difficult when you need to change the text and find out you are changing 
at the wrong position

Gr,
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RE: PDF generation on Windows - Latest Thinking

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

I second the statement below. We did some testing with PDF Creator in the
Past and were not convinced. Especially we wanted to use it on the server
side,
creating PDFs for providing via the webserver.
First, it was not stable.
Second, we had to explain which software we want to install on the
customer's server and we are observed during the install process. And PDF
creator
showed a bit strange behavior, it didn't look like a professional software
at least
with the version 4D requires (1.7).
And last but not least, for any reason we leave an installation archive of
PDF creator on one of our developing servers and got recently an information
From our inhouse IT department because a virus scanner detected it as
malware:
Fileshare : \...\PDFCreator-1_7_3_setup.exe
Malware Severity: Severe
Category: Potentially Unwanted Software

Hmm ...

Regards
Lutz

> There is a risk using a particular version of utility software that is not
> being actively developed. There are a years of bug fixes and compatibility
fixes that are
> not there and there is always the risk that a future Windows or 4D update
could break the
> solution.
>
> With the strong focus on software security, audits of installed software
> highlight software that is out of date or no longer receiving updates. PDF
Creator
> v1.7 would fall in to the category.
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Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Justin Carr via 4D_Tech]

On 13 Sep 2018, at 5:14 pm, Ronnie Teo via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks for your tip.
> I have conducted the test as per your suggestion and from the results of the 
> test, it does not appear to be a firewall problem.
> 
> a)  4Dv15.5 (32-bit) - server app launched directly - database server appears 
> on Available tab on Client (works OK)
> b)  4Dv15.5 (32-bit) - server app run as Windows service - database server 
> appears on Available tab on Client (works OK)
> c)  4Dv15.5 (64-bit) - server app launched directly - database server appears 
> on Available tab on Client (works OK)
> 
> d)  4Dv15.5 (64-bit) - server app run as Windows service - Available tab on 
> Client is empty  (does NOT work)
> 
> For the failed service (d), when I highlight the service it shows that the 
> service is running.
> Further examination of the service properties shows that the service is NOT 
> running or has stopped.  
> I have to click the Start button again and even then, the available tab on 
> the client is still blank, connection fails.

I'm also chiming in late on this one but it sounds similar to an issue we 
encountered with v16R3. The application would crash when run as a service when 
calling SET ABOUT during the server startup. I think you could avoid the crash 
by ticking the "Allow service to interact with desktop" checkbox, or by 
removing the call to SET ABOUT.

cheers
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Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012

[Ronnie Teo via 4D_Tech]

Hi David,

Thanks for your tip.
I have conducted the test as per your suggestion and from the results of the 
test, it does not appear to be a firewall problem.

a)  4Dv15.5 (32-bit) - server app launched directly - database server appears 
on Available tab on Client (works OK)
b)  4Dv15.5 (32-bit) - server app run as Windows service - database server 
appears on Available tab on Client (works OK)
c)  4Dv15.5 (64-bit) - server app launched directly - database server appears 
on Available tab on Client (works OK)

d)  4Dv15.5 (64-bit) - server app run as Windows service - Available tab on 
Client is empty  (does NOT work)

For the failed service (d), when I highlight the service it shows that the 
service is running.
Further examination of the service properties shows that the service is NOT 
running or has stopped.  
I have to click the Start button again and even then, the available tab on the 
client is still blank, connection fails.

In the event that I have to give up on the 64-bit version of 4Dv15.5 server, 
what else will I lose by deploying the 32-bit version?

Regards,
Ronnie
Tarawerkz

> On 12 Sep 2018, at 10:35 PM, David Samson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ronnie,
> 
> Sorry to come in on this one late but I have been away. We had a similar 
> problem and it turned out to be the Windows firewall settings. Each program 
> needs explicit firewall rules to allow it to publish.
> 
> One quick way to verify this is to run 4D client on the server. If that 
> connects OK then it is just being blocked on the network.
> 
> HTH
> David
> Manchester 
> UK
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:21:23 +0800
> From: Ronnie Teo mailto:ron...@tarawerkz.com>>
> To: Jim Hays mailto:jgha...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: 4D iNug Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com >
> Subject: Re: 4Dv15 applications as a Service in Windows Server 2012
> Message-ID: <112a686e-7a46-4d46-976a-c2c62527c...@tarawerkz.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=gb2312
> 
> Hi Jim & Paul,
> 
> This is my finding after testing over the weekend with Windows Server 2012 
> and 4Dv15.5.
> 
> Running a v15 app with 4Dv15.5 (64bit) as a Windows service does NOT work.
> Running the same app with 4Dv15.5 (32bit) as a Windows DOES work.
> 
> In the latter scenario, the database name appears in the Available tab on the 
> client software and we are able to log in and use the app as per normal.
> 
> I do not understand why it does not work with the 64-bit version.
> But my next question would be, what do we give up by not using the 64-bit 
> version of 4Dv15.5?
> 
> Regards,
> Ronnie  
> 
> -- 
> D Samson

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