Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:29 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 the output of pci | grep net should be enough.
 
 - erik
term% pci | grep net
2.9.0:  net  02.00.00 1282/9102   3 0:d801 256 1:feaffc00 256
term%

Thanks, Erik. You've been very helpful and friendly. :)

Alex



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Jeff Sickel
s/Adjective/Addicted to/

On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:05 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adjective Bird Whiskey :)
 




Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Jens Staal
It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the rabbit
hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?

PS. Sorry abort top post... Android's fault
Den 6 jan 2014 19:27 skrev Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr:

 On 05/01/2014 19:09, Shane Morris wrote:

 Plan 9 Inside?


 No, it's just Plan 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9 inside 9. (-;

 Nicolas




Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Mark van Atten
 It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the rabbit
 hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?

Very nice!

Mark.



[9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread Andrés Domínguez
El lunes, 6 de enero de 2014, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca escribió:

 But realistically, for how much longer?  The  past year has shown the
love is gone.  I haven't been able to run a labs distribution on physical
hardware for years.  Nor on virtual hardware.  It's time to choose a new
king ...

The Raspberry Pi is well supported and AFAIK changes are integrated in the
Labs distribution (thanks Richard). With x86 do as with any other OS, look
what's supported and buy it.

Andres


Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 07/01/2014 01:02, phineas.p...@gmail.com wrote:

Nine 9s would have been symbolically better, but it cannot be made to
work graphically unless the scale is enormous.  At screen resolution
the centre just becomes blurred.  I had to settle for six nines (three
positive, three negative).

Peter


6 is just like an upside down 9.  Even if I'm not an everyday user,
Plan 9 has always surprized me in the ways it enables to do things.
It's somehow like an upside down approach to the Unix world.

6 is 2/3 a 9... one may never exploit 100% Plan 9 in deepness?

Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January does anyone feel like
debugging an infinite os?, I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
possibilities, approchoaching infinity suggested by your logo.

And in the end, your logo is black (or really dark gray) and white,
just like the Ed Wood movie.

Thus, your logo fits well to me.
Nicolas



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread erik quanstrom
 Adjective Bird Whiskey :)

prepositional bunny booze?
fueled by rabbit rum?
limping on lop liquor.  (perhaps replace liquor with a handy l word.)

- erik



Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread erik quanstrom
 On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:29 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
  the output of pci | grep net should be enough.
  
  - erik
 term% pci | grep net
 2.9.0:  net  02.00.00 1282/9102   3 0:d801 256 1:feaffc00 256
 term%
 
 Thanks, Erik. You've been very helpful and friendly. :)
 

minooka; pci -v 1282/9102 
1282/9102
Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 
Ethernet 

ok, this is just a matter of adding a few bits to the existing tulip driver.
there are three bits that could be guessed at with hardware, but i'll see
if i can find a datasheet or something.

- erik



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread erik quanstrom
 6 is just like an upside down 9.  Even if I'm not an everyday user,

9 clock.  now you can keep upside-down time.

- erik

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Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread phineas . pett
At Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:59:38 +0100,
Jens Staal wrote:
 
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 It somehow makes me think about Alice in wonderland falling down the
 rabbit hole... Will she meet a Glenda nervously looking at the clock?
 

(The Cat Clock most likely.)

Peter

Ps. it may be dangerous to stare at it for long periods...



[9fans] mount with different username

2014-01-07 Thread Bence Fábián
Hi fans!

I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
u9fs.log says:

u9fs
kill 23121
- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
- Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
ruserok(, bence) not okay
- Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed

My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
to be enough.

Any input?

Thanks,
BenceF


Re: [9fans] mount with different username

2014-01-07 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 07/01/2014 18:17, Bence Fábián wrote:

Hi fans!

I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
u9fs.log says:

 u9fs
 kill 23121
 - Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
 ruserok(, bence) not okay
 - Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed

My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
to be enough.

Any input?

Thanks,
BenceF



When I login with drawterm, I need to use both -u (for drawterm)
and -k (for factotum if I remember well), maybe this is the same for
mount:

  -u bfabian -k 'user=bfabian'

Can't find -u in mount(1) as well as -k in drawterm usage().

Nicolas



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Bakul Shah
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:42 +0100 Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 
 Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January does anyone feel like
 debugging an infinite os?, I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
 possibilities, approchoaching infinity suggested by your logo.

This logo reminds of the time tunnel in the old The Time
Tunnel TV show. Hollywood's idea of science fiction,
mysterious  endless tunnel you can't escape from is not
something I associate with plan9.  If anything it takes the
mystery out of good OS design!

To me Plan9 is closer to a bucket of Lego Technics parts (and
less Pirates of Caribbean kind of Lego sets).  Small, well
designed, high quality parts that are highly composable, fun
to play with  what you can build with is limited only by your
imagination.

Funny how we all see something different in the same graphic!



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Dave Eckhardt
Will t-shirts be available?  Hopefully not just white?

Dave Eckhardt



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 07/01/2014 19:20, Bakul Shah wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:00:42 +0100 Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:


Also, regarding what Erik asked on 3rd January does anyone feel like
debugging an infinite os?, I feel Plan 9 offers an extra-wide range of
possibilities, approchoaching infinity suggested by your logo.


This logo reminds of the time tunnel in the old The Time
Tunnel TV show. Hollywood's idea of science fiction,
mysterious  endless tunnel you can't escape from is not
something I associate with plan9.  If anything it takes the
mystery out of good OS design!

To me Plan9 is closer to a bucket of Lego Technics parts (and
less Pirates of Caribbean kind of Lego sets).  Small, well
designed, high quality parts that are highly composable, fun
to play with  what you can build with is limited only by your
imagination.

Funny how we all see something different in the same graphic!


I completely agree.  And I think my point of view was, since I'm a big
fan of Lego Technic, just expressing the wide range of things you can
invent with Lego Technic parts.

Nicolas



Re: [9fans] mount with different username

2014-01-07 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 07/01/2014 18:33, Nicolas Bercher wrote:

maybe this is the same for mount:

   -u bfabian -k 'user=bfabian'


Sorry, after a quick code exploration (mount.c), I think
this is a wrong assumption.

Nicolas



Re: [9fans] mount with different username

2014-01-07 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
/mnt/factotum/ctl)



On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi fans!

 I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
 u9fs.log says:

 u9fs
 kill 23121
 - Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
 ruserok(, bence) not okay
 - Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed

 My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
 That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
 the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
 to be enough.

 Any input?

 Thanks,
 BenceF




Re: [9fans] mount with different username

2014-01-07 Thread Bence Fábián
Im home now. Will send it tomorrow

2014/1/7, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com:
 what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
 /mnt/factotum/ctl)



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi fans!

 I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
 u9fs.log says:

 u9fs
 kill 23121
 - Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
 - Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
 ruserok(, bence) not okay
 - Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed

 My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
 That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
 the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
 to be enough.

 Any input?

 Thanks,
 BenceF






[9fans] Keep it going

2014-01-07 Thread Alexandru Gheorghe
Guys, keep up the good work. One day I might even have the courage to
really go focused in learning C and come back to give feedback one day
after I read the code. That is, also when I hope to get spare time in
life to do it, usually at night by sleeping less.

I am trying to find my place to where to get started, albeit a 1000 book
on Linux Kernel is quite something for which reason I do not know why I
get the feeling that P9 is more appropiate to start with; in the same
time, for sure, not the same thing as with Unix or Linux, maybe they
share similarities in concepts? I do not think so...

Still a lot to read and discover... also asked on IRC. What's your opinion?

I like small communities :-) you feel connected... easier and not lost
in a pool of ignorance, unless you submit really bad code. In that case
I think you don't belong anywhere...

Quite a long mail so sorry, just wanted to congratulate you for sticking
around :-). This is especially because of the e-mails I read recently,
those that bring so many negative opinions on P9 overall.

P.S.: C book I have is KR (2nd edition - ANSI) + Art of Assembly 2nd
edition from Randall, only that this one caught some serious dust on it
until more recently...

Anyways, not so technical this e-mail so... I think I will stop here :-)

Thanks for everything you do :-) and thanks to Bell Labs

P.P.S.: summer.reconstructed.pdf is still fun as hell
-- 
; Alexandru Gheorghe
; alghe.global {at} gmail {dot} com
; OpenPGP key ID 0xCAF985D2



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[9fans] qemu and networking

2014-01-07 Thread Yoann Padioleau
Hi,

I've installed plan9 on a plan9.raw.img file via qemu and I'm able to boot on 
it.
How can I transfer files between plan9 and my host (I'm under macos)?
I've followed 
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/installing_plan_9_on_qemu/index.html
and run


qemu -hda Plan9.qcow2.img -net nic -net user

but from plan9 when I do

 rc ip/ping 10.0.2.2 nothing happens.




Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

2014-01-07 Thread mveety
I've only ever gotten networking working on OS X using the tun/tap driver. It's 
a bit of a pain in the
ass but works quite well.

--
Veety



Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

2014-01-07 Thread plannine
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 10:16:02PM +, Yoann Padioleau wrote:
 qemu -hda Plan9.qcow2.img -net nic -net user
 
 but from plan9 when I do
 
  rc ip/ping 10.0.2.2 nothing happens.

The user-mode (SLIRP) network stack in QEMU doesn't support ICMP.

http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking#User_Networking_.28SLIRP.29



Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

2014-01-07 Thread Bakul Shah
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 22:16:02 GMT Yoann Padioleau p...@fb.com wrote:
 I've installed plan9 on a plan9.raw.img file via qemu and I'm able to boot =
 on it.
 How can I transfer files between plan9 and my host (I'm under macos)?
 I've followed http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/installing_plan_9_on_qe=
 mu/index.html
 and run
 
 
 qemu -hda Plan9.qcow2.img -net nic -net user
 
 but from plan9 when I do
 
  rc ip/ping 10.0.2.2 nothing happens.

You can reuse your qcow image with virtualbox where this is
relatively easy to fix.



Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-07 Thread Winston Kodogo
  I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community?

 As I understand it, this list is not a community, but an
anarcho-syndicalist commune.

In which case the executive officer for the week can decide to adopt the
new logo, but all decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a
special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely
internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major (I
ORDER YOU TO BE QUIET - SIGNED BOYD (RIP)).

So my question is, do we need a simple majority to adopt the new logo, or
will a two-thirds majority be called for?