Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?

[Bence Fábián]

this thread is of much relevance. made me come out of hiding from SP9SSS

2015-07-24 22:57 GMT+02:00 Kurt H Maier :

> Quoting Prof Brucee :
>
>  I just quoted cat-v - shoot me.
>>
>
>
> ONE OF US
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Any examples of using the py9p client code?

[Bence Fábián]

Glad we could help :)

2015-03-26 8:28 GMT+01:00, 6o205z...@sneakemail.com <6o205z...@sneakemail.com>:
> I hadn't gotten anywhere, as I was having trouble figuring out how to
> even get started.  The py9p.Client class expects an fd and credentials,
> but its documentation is nonexistent, so I was a bit mystified about
> what fd and credentials I was supposed to pass in. I had taken a quick
> look at cl.py, and it was creating a AF_INET socket, but P9P acme
> doesn't listen on an AF_INET socket.
>
> Based on the replies, I took a look at the go code, a closer look at
> pyp9.Client and cl.py and did a little experimenting and discovered I
> just needed to create an AF_UNIX socket for /tmp/ns.$USER.$DISPLAY/acme
> and a 'trivial' py9p.Credentials object, and I've successfully called
> Client.stat and Client.ls, so I should be able to try doing something
> "real" now.
>
> Skip and Bence, thanks for the hints.  I just needed a little nudge to
> get me past my mental block.
>
>  - Peter Canning
>
>

Re: [9fans] Any examples of using the py9p client code?

[Bence Fábián]

that doesn't help much if you want to use python though :)

How far did you get Peter? Did you get past the auth stage?
Have you looked into examples/cl.py ?
py9p.Client class should do most of the heavylifting for you.

bence

2015-03-25 9:01 GMT+01:00 Skip Tavakkolian :

> it is easy using Go
>
> https://github.com/9fans/go
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:55 AM <6o205z...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone point me at an example of using the py9p
>> (http://mirtchovski.com/p9/py9p/ or
>> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/py9p/1.0.8) client code to talk to a
>> server.  I've been playing around with a little bit, but haven't had any
>> luck.
>>
>> More specifically, I would like to use it to write a client that talks
>> to P9P acme.  Is that even possible?  If not is there some other python
>> library that would help?
>>
>>  thanks,
>>  Peter Canning
>>
>>
>>

Re: [9fans] code.google.com/p/nix-os

[Bence Fábián]

Which nix-os is this?
Also github recognized the mkfiles as javascript :)

2015-03-16 17:03 GMT+01:00 ron minnich :

> is now at github.com/rminnich/nix-os
>
> Just for historical interest.
>
> ron
>

Re: [9fans] protection against resource exhaustion

[Bence Fábián]

>there must be a bug in rc.

Or maybe it does tail call elimination :)


2015-01-25 10:04 GMT+01:00 arisawa :

> thank you, mischief.
>
> considering after I have posted previous mail,
> I have come to think that the script below should fail with error and stop
> execution.
>
> maia% cat foo
> #!/bin/rc
> ./foo
> maia%
>
> current rc does not stop execution.
> probably not due to protection problem by kernel.
> there must be a bug in rc.
>
> Kenji Arisawa
>
> > 2015/01/25 15:16、arisawa  のメール：
> >
> >
> > Hello 9fans
> >
> > my mac has a protection below:
> > -bash$ cat foo
> > #!/bin/sh
> > ./foo
> > -bash$ ./foo
> > ./foo: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable
> > -bash$
> >
> > on the other hand, Plan 9 does not.
> > kernel is protected against such programs, however they are not killed.
> > therefore no new process can be created.
> >
> > does anyone have idea to fix the problem?
> >
> > Kenji Arisawa
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Installing Go in Plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi.

[Bence Fábián]

Hi,

You can contact Anthony Martin and see if you can help.

b

2014-12-25 14:22 GMT+01:00 Mats Olsson :

> Hi!
>
> Since compiling GO in Plan 9 on a Raspberry Pi won't work I've removed
> the source code of it from my home directory. It's a pity though since
> it took me so long to figure out a way to put it there in the first
> place. Thanks for all your assistance!
>
> Kind Greetings,
> Mats
>
> 2014-12-25 0:20 GMT+01:00, Stanley Lieber :
> > yes, it is sure that it will not work.
> >
> > sl
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] C question on struct Biobuf in bio.h

[Bence Fábián]

hi,

no, it is an anonym field.  and it is used in a way that is not part
of ansi c.  there is an extension in newer versions of gcc which
supports it, but if you wan't to port plan 9 c to unix you can use the
libs from plan9port.  that's far more easier.

bence

2014-10-07 17:24 GMT+02:00 Carsten Kunze :

> Hello,
>
> in bio.h there is a
>
> struct  Biobuf
> {
> Biobufhdr;
> uchar   b[Bungetsize+Bsize];
> };
>
> where Biobufhdr is declared as
>
> typedef struct  Biobufhdr   Biobufhdr;
>
> To make it compile with gcc under UNIX I changed the struct to
>
> struct  Biobuf
> {
> Biobufhdr Biobufhdr;
> uchar   b[Bungetsize+Bsize];
> };
>
> but is that what is meant by the original description above?
>
>Carsten
>
>

Re: [9fans] USB hub issues on 9Pi

[Bence Fábián]

Is the hub powered?

2014-10-02 16:23 GMT+02:00, Roswell Grey :
> What are the known issues using hubs on 9Pi? I've tried using two different
> hubs to connect my keyboard, mouse, and flash drives, but they don't work.
> The optical mouse doesn't even have its laser turned on by the time booting
> is finished. The only solution I've found is attaching the devices
> directly, which I hate because I can't use my USB stick... Interesting to
> note that I/O errors are reported on the boot console using one hub, while
> nothing is reported with the other. Where do you think the problem resides
> in, and is there any hope of any sort of fix, perhaps an experimental
> driver modification? I'm not afraid to roll up my sleeves and code. This is
> a programmer's os after all :D any help or advice is certainly appreciated.
>

Re: [9fans] acme inspired vi clone (warning: x11/unix)

[Bence Fábián]

Cool. I'll stick with sam/acme but my coworker was just telling me,
how he liked the ideas in them, but was used to vi commands.
I'll show him this. I tried it out and knowing vi and sam it was
mostly straightforward to use. (However it doesn't react well to
simply killing the window)

2014-09-27 15:42 GMT+02:00 Joseph Stewart :

> Didn't see this posted here... might be of interest to some of us with
> un-re-trainable fingers.
>
> http://c9x.me/edit/
>
> -joe
>

Re: [9fans] Two Acme questions

[Bence Fábián]

omit the first slash. as in:
9p read acme/$winid/body



2014-07-17 11:39 GMT+02:00 Riddler :

> Thanks for the info, I will take a look at 9fromt/p9p acme's code.
>
> As for the second question, I am running plumber.
> Just to check I did "9 plumber" to try to start it again and am
> getting "Address already in use", so it is up.
> If I do "ls /tmp/ | grep ns." the directory "ns.riddler.:0" is there
> and I have rw permissions.
> It contains two sockets acme, plumb and I have rw permissions on both.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Lee Fallat  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aram Hăvărneanu  wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Lee Fallat 
> wrote:
> >>> This has been done for 9front.
> >>
> >> Only partially. The tag expands to multiple lines, but does not accept
> >> newlines. Also, sl is right.
> >>
> > Yes, I was too hasty with my response. sl is right.
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] writing to /dev/$winid/addr

[Bence Fábián]

to clarify:
it is an rc script, but the echo commands pump commands to a ksh through an
acme win window.
then he collects the output


2014-04-24 6:25 GMT+02:00 Alexander Kapshuk :

> I'm sorry I confused you. In my second email I did mention that the
> script was used to set a prompt and an acme window name when running
> win and being logged onto UNIX.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jacob Todd  wrote:
> > Then why did you say it was rc? What's wrong with you.
> >
> > On Apr 24, 2014 12:18 AM, "Alexander Kapshuk" <
> alexander.kaps...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> That's OK. It's actually ksh on AIX.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your feedback anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:34 PM, erik quanstrom  >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> #!/bin/rc
> >> >> >>> {
> >> >> >>>  echo 'echo $SYSNAME!`uname -n`!$USER'
> >> >> >>>  echo 'PS1='':; '' PS2='' '''
> >> >> >>> } >/dev/$winid/body
> >> >> > this is not valid rc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - erik
> >> >> >
> >> >> If it's not too much trouble, would you mind demonstrating what valid
> >> >> rc
> >> >> would be for the part of the script in question.
> >> >
> >> > i'm wrong of course if the shell you're running is bash,
> >> > the script itself is reasonable rc.  i was confused by an
> >> > rc script emitting bash.
> >> >
> >> > - erik
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] writing to /dev/$winid/addr

[Bence Fábián]

is '!' a metacharacter in regexes? regex(6) doesn't say anything about it.



2014-04-23 9:29 GMT+02:00 Alexander Kapshuk :

> Turns out, the reason why writing '/[A-Z]+\![a-z0-9]+\![0-9a-z]+' to
> /dev/$winid/addr would fail for me is because sending a string
> represented by the regular expression in question to /dev/$winid/body
> was immediately followed by writing the regexp to addr. Putting a
> while loop on the 'echo regexp >addr' followed by sleep, seems to have
> been the answer. The script sets the prompt and the name of the window
> running win when logged onto a UNIX machine.
> Here's the script for those interested.
>
> #!/bin/rc
> {
>  echo 'echo $SYSNAME!`uname -n`!$USER'
>  echo 'PS1='':; '' PS2='' '''
> } >/dev/$winid/body
> while(! echo -n '/[A-Z]+\![a-z0-9]+\![0-9a-z]+' >/dev/$winid/addr
> >[2]/dev/null)
>  sleep 0.2
> sel=`{cat /dev/$winid/xdata}
> echo name $sel >/dev/$winid/ctl
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
>  wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I'm working on a script where I want to get hold of a particular string
> > and use it as a new name of a particular window.
> >
> > What I've tried so far, although not successfully, is writing to
> > /dev/$winid/addr with the intention of then being able to read the
> > string found from the /dev/$winid/data or /dev/$winid/xdata.
> >
> > acme(4) says,
> > addrmay be written with any textual address (line number,
> >regular expression, etc.), in the format understood by
> >button 3 but without the initial colon, including com-
> >pound addresses, to set the address for text accessed
> >through the data file.
> >
> > Here's an example of what I tried.
> > echo '/[A-Z]+\![a-z0-9]+\![0-9a-z]+' >/dev/$winid/addr
> >
> > Which results in an 'address out of bounds' message being generated.
> >
> > How does one write to 'addr'? Clearly, the shortcoming is on my part.
> > I'm just not sure what it is that's missing.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] GSoC proposal: Alternative window system

[Bence Fábián]

I think Plan B / Octopus's omero does these things already. I'm still
voting for touch interface

2014-03-19 15:17 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom :
> On Wed Mar 19 10:14:26 EDT 2014, ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
>> What did old Oberon have?
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] GSoC proposal: Alternative window system

[Bence Fábián]

We already have a lot of hacks to make rio tiling.
In my opinion the most interesting/worthwhile
projects mentioned on that wiki is to make things
touchscreen friendly.


2014-03-19 9:36 GMT+01:00 Caleb Malchik :

> Greetings,
>
> I am a student interested in participating in GSoC under Plan 9. My
> project would involve writing a new window manager as an alternative to rio:
>
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/alternative_
> window_system/index.html
>
> I thought I'd say a few words informally as my proposal is not yet ready
> for upload, and it would be good to get some feedback in the remaining days
> before the deadline.
>
> I have experience with C and Linux, but plan9port is the extent of my
> first-hand experience with Plan 9. I've read some of the papers and other
> resources and I am intrigued by the ideas behind Plan 9 and the clean
> implementation of those ideas. I intend to start using Plan 9 natively or
> in a VM soon, and I am confident I could get comfortable with the
> environment before the start of the summer.
>
> For my project, I would build a tiling window manager similar to dwm (what
> I use on Linux). I think a dwm-style interface that could be controlled
> from the keyboard would provide a nice contrast to what we already have
> with rio, and as we see from dwm the implementation of such an interface
> needn't be complex. Development would involve modifying the rio source code
> to implement the basic functions of a tiling/keyboard-controlled window
> manager one by one.
>
> Let me know if this sounds like a good summer-sized project for someone
> who is not yet well acquainted with Plan 9.
>
> Regards,
> Caleb Malchik
>
>

Re: [9fans] How to access CD drive?

[Bence Fábián]

Cifs on windows 7 worked for me after doing the registry workaround
mentioned in the README of cifs

2014-03-09 18:02 GMT+01:00, Skip Tavakkolian :
> unfortunately virtualbox "shared folders" would require a special driver
> [1] on the guest (i.e. Plan 9) os. the easier route is to figure out the
> network and then use cifs (SMB client on plan9) or sftpfs to import the
> host windows folders into plan 9. this is the recommended method [2] in
> virtualbox documentation.
>
> [1] https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders
> [2] https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Sharing_files_on_OSE
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Steve Foster  wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm new here and to plan 9.
>>
>> I'm the kind of person who doesn't always pick things up straight away,
>> I'm a bit slow like that :-) The light bulb usually goes on - eventually.
>> Sometimes I just need someone to flick the switch a few times. So if my
>> questions come across as a bit dumb you'll know why.
>>
>> OK, so I'm new to Plan 9. I've managed to install it in virtualbox
>> (Windows 7 host) and can log in and use it. I've also installed plan9port
>> onto Lubuntu, also running in a virtual machine.
>>
>> Acme has become my main work environment now, I was an emacs user. I like
>> acme a lot and spend most of my time in there (I'm writing this post in
>> it). I use two screens; one with acme (plan9port) and the other with
>> everything else. This set up is working well for me and I'm happy to
>> carry
>> on working like this.
>>
>> However, I would love to try working with acme in plan 9 itself. Well, I
>> can use it with no problems (so far anyway), but I can't get networking
>> or
>> shared folders (virtualbox shared folders) working. This means,
>> obviously,
>> that plan 9 is isolated from the outside world so any work I do is stuck
>> in
>> there. Now, I'm trying ot get my head around the whole plan 9 thing and
>> how
>> it works. I admit I'm struggling with it, but don't want to give up just
>> yet.
>>
>> So for starters, does anyone know how to get shared folders (virtualbox
>> shared folders) working in plan 9, I have them working OK in Lubuntu so
>> no
>> problem there.? I know you have to install the virtualbox guest additions
>> and  this is easy to do, but...
>>
>> This shows how much of a doofus I am. I don't know how to access the CD
>> drive in plan 9 which is where the guest additions would be installed
>> from.
>> How do I do this please? I have searched, but have not managed to find
>> the
>> answer, or maybe I have found it and didn't understand it.
>>
>> I've been reading the 9fan archives and realise that technically all you
>> chaps are way above me (as you can tell from my question) so please be
>> patient with me :-)
>>
>> I also can't get networking to work which may or may not be related to
>> the
>> above, I'm not sure. I have tried the different suggestions I've found,
>> but
>> nothing seems to work. If I could just get shared folders working that
>> would be great to start with.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve.
>>
>

Re: [9fans] How to access CD drive?

[Bence Fábián]

Oh and use the 'mt server' nic in virtualbox, and you have to run a
cpu server and set up auth to use drawterm. It is covered on the wiki
i belive

2014-03-09 11:11 GMT+01:00, Mark van Atten :
> To obtain shared folders, you may also decide to run, either on
> Windows or Lubuntu, a program named drawterm:
>
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/8/drawterm
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/drawterm/index.html
> http://swtch.com/drawterm/
>
> It connects your host to the virtual Plan 9 machine, and draws a Plan
> 9 terminal on the host. In that terminal you have access to the host's
> file system again in /mnt/term
>
> Mark.
>
>

Re: [9fans] How to access CD drive?

[Bence Fábián]

Generally for mounting different things Plan 9 uses user processes
which can read the given filesystem and post a named pipe in /srv.
Then they translate everything internally and speak 9P on this pipe.
Then you can mount this using mount, and can give plus arguments

mount /srv/file /n/mountpoint arg

/n and /mnt are special because they create directories automatically.
Run 9660srv then use mount on the posted file giving the path to the
cd as an argument.

2014-03-09 10:28 GMT+01:00, Steve Foster :
> Hi all.
> I'm new here and to plan 9.
> I'm the kind of person who doesn't always pick things up straight away, I'm
> a bit slow like that :-) The light bulb usually goes on - eventually.
> Sometimes I just need someone to flick the switch a few times. So if my
> questions come across as a bit dumb you'll know why.
> OK, so I'm new to Plan 9. I've managed to install it in virtualbox (Windows
> 7 host) and can log in and use it. I've also installed plan9port onto
> Lubuntu, also running in a virtual machine.
> Acme has become my main work environment now, I was an emacs user. I like
> acme a lot and spend most of my time in there (I'm writing this post in it).
> I use two screens; one with acme (plan9port) and the other with everything
> else. This set up is working well for me and I'm happy to carry on working
> like this.
> However, I would love to try working with acme in plan 9 itself. Well, I can
> use it with no problems (so far anyway), but I can't get networking or
> shared folders (virtualbox shared folders) working. This means, obviously,
> that plan 9 is isolated from the outside world so any work I do is stuck in
> there. Now, I'm trying ot get my head around the whole plan 9 thing and how
> it works. I admit I'm struggling with it, but don't want to give up just
> yet.
> So for starters, does anyone know how to get shared folders (virtualbox
> shared folders) working in plan 9, I have them working OK in Lubuntu so no
> problem there.? I know you have to install the virtualbox guest additions
> and  this is easy to do, but...
> This shows how much of a doofus I am. I don't know how to access the CD
> drive in plan 9 which is where the guest additions would be installed from.
> How do I do this please? I have searched, but have not managed to find the
> answer, or maybe I have found it and didn't understand it.
> I've been reading the 9fan archives and realise that technically all you
> chaps are way above me (as you can tell from my question) so please be
> patient with me :-)
> I also can't get networking to work which may or may not be related to the
> above, I'm not sure. I have tried the different suggestions I've found, but
> nothing seems to work. If I could just get shared folders working that would
> be great to start with.
> Thanks,Steve.

Re: [9fans] NDB Error

[Bence Fábián]

or copydist maybe because i don't see that among the done tasks


2014-02-24 22:40 GMT+01:00 Iruatã Souza :

> to avoid confusion: it is a 9front install
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Shane Morris 
> wrote:
> > Hello 9fans,
> >
> > I get the error as seen in the screenshot - I highly suspect this is
> because
> > the internet connection I'm using at present is pretty dodgy, but I
> stand to
> > be corrected if I'm wrong about this. I am using DCHP for the bridging
> on my
> > Mac. I will try to reinstall when I'm at uni later today.
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > Shane.
>
>

Re: [9fans] NDB Error

[Bence Fábián]

Certainly not a network error. As Erik pointed out, you don't have that
directoriy.

My guess is that some steps weren't done in the right order.
Try doing mountfs again.


2014-02-24 22:37 GMT+01:00 erik quanstrom :

> > Hello 9fans,
> >
> > I get the error as seen in the screenshot - I highly suspect this is
> > because the internet connection I'm using at present is pretty dodgy,
> but I
> > stand to be corrected if I'm wrong about this. I am using DCHP for the
> > bridging on my Mac. I will try to reinstall when I'm at uni later today.
> >
> > Many thanks!
>
> as the error message describes, your new fs is missing /lib.  perhaps that
> is
> because it ndb was invoked at the wrong point.
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] acme autocompletion

[Bence Fábián]

I don't think anyone objects to it as an external command.

2014-02-10 21:46 GMT+01:00, Uvelichitel :
>   Hi. I know acme authors mean autocompletion destructive (excluding
> ctl-F for filepath). Anyway an attempt.
>   https://bitbucket.org/uvelichitel/compl
> It implemented as external command 'compl' executing in tag. It written
> in Go lang and specifically for Go lang. It based on proven engine. It
> tested on p9p. Feel free to try. It was not two difficult to make
> things working, but I can not clear imagine how autocompletions should
> _looks_like_ in acme without hotkeys and floating windows. Suggestion
> appreciated and can be implemented.
>   Best regards.
>
>

Re: [9fans] New internal command for acme proposal (with implementations)

[Bence Fábián]

I think these are nice additions.
Thanks for your work. I will try them out on monday.


2014/1/24 Uvelichitel 

> Hi dexen.
>
> >>  Hi 9fans. While working with large sources in acme I feeling some
> lack
> >>of navigation capacity. So two new cmd. 1) 'Rev' , works precisely as
> >>'Look' but in reverse direction. It also change behavior of right mouse
> >>button search to search reverse. You will notice change with pointer
> >>position and little symbol near pipe in tag. Executing 'Look' instantly
> >>change behavior back.
>
> >:-/REGEX
>
> Sure, but it regexp search, which more expensive not literal and need
> more typing. My proposal as opposite behave exactly as 'Look' and also
> change behavior of right mouse
> button search.
>
> >> After all navigation 2) 'Tip' , return pointer to
> >>last typing point. It understand 2-1 chording, so you can handy insert
> >>selection to last insert point without snarfing, including same window.
>
> >Left/Right Arrow keys takes you to the position where selection (cursor)
> >currently is.
>
> >if the selection covers several lines, Left takes you to beginning, and
> Right
> >to the end.
>
>
> >this plays well with double-click on any open/close
> parenthesis/bracket/brace.
> >to quickly move to the other end of code block etc.
>
> Proposal 'Tip' command operate with last insertion point, not selection
> point, mean 'Tip' cmd return you where you typing after all selections
> and scrolling.
>
> Anyway thanks for feedback. Best regards.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme, dump, and $HOME

[Bence Fábián]

Because this way there is one default dump file.
Maybe it should be $home/lib/acme.dump
But when i turn on my terminal it runs acme -l $home/acme.dump
automatically. And before i turn it off i just press dump.
If I need to preserve a state for longer i can do
Dump otherfile. For me this seems the saner behaviour.

tl;dr I'm against your patch, sorry


2014/1/13 Paul Lalonde 

> That seems even more magical, I think.
>
> I've been running with Dump's $HOME lookup changed to $PWD for a few days
> now with nary a glitch.
> Unless someone tells me otherwise I'll start pushing for a patch :-)
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Charles Forsyth <
> charles.fors...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13 January 2014 16:42, Paul Lalonde  wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone explain to me the rationale of Dump dropping acme.dump in
>>> $HOME instead of $PWD?
>>
>>
>> alternatively, if started with acme -l dumpfile, why not write it back to
>> the same file?
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

[Bence Fábián]

ip/ping is a plan 9 command
10.0.2.2 is the ip of the (simulated) gateway from the guest


2014/1/9 Nicolas Bercher 

> On 09/01/2014 17:10, Bence Fábián wrote:
>
>> In his mail he was trying to reach the host from the guest.
>> But the other way around he would need tun/tap. That's correct.
>>
>
> On 07/01/2014 23:16, Yoann Padioleau wrote:
> > How can I transfer files between plan9 and my host (I'm under macos)?
>
> Not sure the files transfer direction was mentioned at all:
> English is far from being my native language but *between* vs.
> *from...to* sound different to me. ;-)
>
> Nicolas
>
>

Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

[Bence Fábián]

In his mail he was trying to reach the host from the guest.
But the other way around he would need tun/tap. That's correct.


2014/1/9 Nicolas Bercher 

> On 08/01/2014 09:11, Bence Fábián wrote:
>
>> I use
>> QEMU emulator version 1.6.0, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
>> I don't give any networking options at the command line and it works
>> for me. I use 9front but I don't think it matters.
>>
>
> I think Yoann asked how to connect to Plan9 from MacOS, right?
> You have to use tun/tap and maybe drawterm to connect to Plan 9
> from MacOS, and then, for example, copy files via /mnt/term/.
>
> Nicolas
>
>

Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

[Bence Fábián]

Oh btw I'm on linux not os x. But didn't think that makes a difference for
guest network.


2014/1/9 Bence Fábián 

> In his mail he was trying to reach the host from the guest.
> But the other way around he would need tun/tap. That's correct.
>
>
> 2014/1/9 Nicolas Bercher 
>
>> On 08/01/2014 09:11, Bence Fábián wrote:
>>
>>> I use
>>> QEMU emulator version 1.6.0, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
>>> I don't give any networking options at the command line and it works
>>> for me. I use 9front but I don't think it matters.
>>>
>>
>> I think Yoann asked how to connect to Plan9 from MacOS, right?
>> You have to use tun/tap and maybe drawterm to connect to Plan 9
>> from MacOS, and then, for example, copy files via /mnt/term/.
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] mount with different username

[Bence Fábián]

Hi!

Seems ssh takes only a fixed number of arguments as cmd.

term% ssh bfabian@ echo `{seq 20}
1 2

Passing it in one argument in exec works.
However! Tattach still sends "bence" (my plan 9 user) as uname.
How could i change that to bfabian?

BR,
Bence


2014/1/9 Bence Fábián 

> Ok. What do I do wrong?
>
> execl("/bin/ssh", "ssh", argv[1], "u9fs", "-Dnza", "p9any", "-A", argv[2],
> nil);
>
> Seems it gets the -Dzna p9any, but not the -A keyfile
>
>
>
> 2014/1/9 Bence Fábián 
>
>> Nothing except the ssh entry.
>> I try to do
>> mount /srv/u9fs /n/linuxbox
>> /srv/u9fs is a pipe through ssh to the linuxbox running u9fs.
>> I'm trying to use p9any on the u9fs side.
>> When i run the command on the linux box it is fine
>> but when run through ssh it exits immediately.
>> Most probably an oversight on my part somewhere.
>>
>> I'll try to find what did i mistyped. I use absolute path for
>> the key file so that can't be it.
>>
>> If still can't make it work I'll try with execnet(4).
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014/1/7 Bence Fábián 
>>
>>> Im home now. Will send it tomorrow
>>>
>>> 2014/1/7, Skip Tavakkolian :
>>> > what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
>>> > /mnt/factotum/ctl)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi fans!
>>> >>
>>> >> I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
>>> >> u9fs.log says:
>>> >>
>>> >> u9fs
>>> >> kill 23121
>>> >> <- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>>> >> -> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>>> >> <- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
>>> >> ruserok(, bence) not okay
>>> >> -> Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed
>>> >>
>>> >> My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
>>> >> That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
>>> >> the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
>>> >> to be enough.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any input?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> BenceF
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] mount with different username

[Bence Fábián]

Ok. What do I do wrong?

execl("/bin/ssh", "ssh", argv[1], "u9fs", "-Dnza", "p9any", "-A", argv[2],
nil);

Seems it gets the -Dzna p9any, but not the -A keyfile



2014/1/9 Bence Fábián 

> Nothing except the ssh entry.
> I try to do
> mount /srv/u9fs /n/linuxbox
> /srv/u9fs is a pipe through ssh to the linuxbox running u9fs.
> I'm trying to use p9any on the u9fs side.
> When i run the command on the linux box it is fine
> but when run through ssh it exits immediately.
> Most probably an oversight on my part somewhere.
>
> I'll try to find what did i mistyped. I use absolute path for
> the key file so that can't be it.
>
> If still can't make it work I'll try with execnet(4).
>
>
>
> 2014/1/7 Bence Fábián 
>
>> Im home now. Will send it tomorrow
>>
>> 2014/1/7, Skip Tavakkolian :
>> > what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
>> > /mnt/factotum/ctl)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi fans!
>> >>
>> >> I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
>> >> u9fs.log says:
>> >>
>> >> u9fs
>> >> kill 23121
>> >> <- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>> >> -> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>> >> <- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
>> >> ruserok(, bence) not okay
>> >> -> Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed
>> >>
>> >> My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
>> >> That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
>> >> the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
>> >> to be enough.
>> >>
>> >> Any input?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> BenceF
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] mount with different username

[Bence Fábián]

Nothing except the ssh entry.
I try to do
mount /srv/u9fs /n/linuxbox
/srv/u9fs is a pipe through ssh to the linuxbox running u9fs.
I'm trying to use p9any on the u9fs side.
When i run the command on the linux box it is fine
but when run through ssh it exits immediately.
Most probably an oversight on my part somewhere.

I'll try to find what did i mistyped. I use absolute path for
the key file so that can't be it.

If still can't make it work I'll try with execnet(4).



2014/1/7 Bence Fábián 

> Im home now. Will send it tomorrow
>
> 2014/1/7, Skip Tavakkolian :
> > what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
> > /mnt/factotum/ctl)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi fans!
> >>
> >> I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
> >> u9fs.log says:
> >>
> >> u9fs
> >> kill 23121
> >> <- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
> >> -> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
> >> <- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
> >> ruserok(, bence) not okay
> >> -> Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed
> >>
> >> My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
> >> That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
> >> the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
> >> to be enough.
> >>
> >> Any input?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> BenceF
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [9fans] qemu and networking

[Bence Fábián]

I use
QEMU emulator version 1.6.0, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
I don't give any networking options at the command line and it works
for me. I use 9front but I don't think it matters.

term% pci | grep net
0.3.0:net  02.00.00 8086/100e  11 0:febc 131072 1:c041 64
term% cat '#l0/ether0/ifstats'
Good Packets Received: 161 0
Good Packets Transmitted: 94 0
Total Octets Received: 163085 0
Total Octets Transmitted: 9118 0
Total Packets Received: 161 0
Total Packets Transmitted: 94 0
lintr: 0 1
rintr: 96 96
tintr: 0 0
ixcs: 0 0 0
rdtr: 0
Ctrlext: 
eeprom: 5452 1200 5634     
3000 1000 6403 100E 8086 100E 8086 3040
0008 2000 7E14 0048 1000 00D8  2700
6CC9 3150 0722 040B 0984  C000 0706
1008  0F04 7FFF 4D01   
       
0100 4000 121C     
       79AD
phy:9140 794D 0141 0C20 01E1 01E0  
 0F00 3C00     
0B62 AC00   0170   
      

term% ndb/query sys $sysname
ip=10.0.2.15 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=10.0.2.2 sys=cake dns=10.0.2.3
sys=cake ether=525400123456
term%



2014/1/7 Bakul Shah 

> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 22:16:02 GMT Yoann Padioleau  wrote:
> > I've installed plan9 on a plan9.raw.img file via qemu and I'm able to
> boot =
> > on it.
> > How can I transfer files between plan9 and my host (I'm under macos)?
> > I've followed
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/installing_plan_9_on_qe=
> > mu/index.html
> > and run
> >
> >
> > qemu -hda Plan9.qcow2.img -net nic -net user
> >
> > but from plan9 when I do
> >
> >  rc> ip/ping 10.0.2.2 nothing happens.
>
> You can reuse your qcow image with virtualbox where this is
> relatively easy to fix.
>
>

Re: [9fans] mount with different username

[Bence Fábián]

Im home now. Will send it tomorrow

2014/1/7, Skip Tavakkolian :
> what do you have in your factotum for that dom? (i.e. grep linuxboxname
> /mnt/factotum/ctl)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> Hi fans!
>>
>> I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
>> u9fs.log says:
>>
>> u9fs
>> kill 23121
>> <- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>> -> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
>> <- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
>> ruserok(, bence) not okay
>> -> Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed
>>
>> My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
>> That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
>> the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
>> to be enough.
>>
>> Any input?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> BenceF
>>
>>
>

[9fans] mount with different username

[Bence Fábián]

Hi fans!

I want to mount my filesystem on a linux machine from plan9.
u9fs.log says:

u9fs
kill 23121
<- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
-> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
<- Tattach tag 15 fid 527 afid -1 uname bence aname
ruserok(, bence) not okay
-> Rerror tag 15 ename u9fs: rhosts authentication failed

My username is not bence but bfabian on the linux system.
That seems to be the problem. I guess maybe i should use
the -k option of mount(1) but -k 'user=bfabian' doesn't seem
to be enough.

Any input?

Thanks,
BenceF

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

[Bence Fábián]

Just start using it. That's how things got adopted by a community.


2014/1/6 Nicolas Bercher 

> On 03/01/2014 23:07, phineas.p...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm tinkering with an alternative Plan 9 logo.
>>
>> Any comments or suggestions?  Is there even any interest in something
>> like this?
>>
>> http://pdf.multics.org/9_Logo_Concept.pdf
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter
>>
>>
> Beautiful logo.
> I wonder who could decide to adopt it on behalf of the community?
>
> Nicolas
>
>

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

[Bence Fábián]

Did you append or truncate. That command should work.


2013/12/23 Blake McBride 

>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote:
>
>> Hello !
>> From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin
>> Adding Users
>>
>> Add a new user on the file server:
>>
>> echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd
>>
>> The newuser filesystem command is described in the 
>> fs(8)
>>  manpage. Examine the '/adm/users' file to investigate the results.
>>
>
> The above echo command did nothing to the /adm/users file for me on
> vanilla 9front.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

[Bence Fábián]

Schooling Erik on this list is priceless. Such entertainment.

Well if it dies it dies. It wasn't a bad run. Plan 9 has been around longer
than Linux. But now that we have failed to heed your warning. Woe us.

This whole discussion has devolved into all the exact same discussions when
someone comes to save us from ourselves.
If you are too lazy to look into the archives at least read this:
http://jfloren.net/b/2012/4/27/0


2013/12/15 Blake McBride 

> This whole discussion has devolved into a political left vs. right like
> debate.  Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell Labs
> and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient support
> from the user base at large, and it will suffer bit-rot until it won't
> boot anywhere anymore.
>
> Here is an exercise for fun too.  Create your own written language, and
> write a bunch of books in it.  Have fun.
>
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:17 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>> > "major piece among many" can be more precisely stated as "many pieces
>> among
>> > many in order for the platform to achieve a critical mass of users".
>>
>> the metaphor "critical mass" is really tiresome one.  it does not apply
>> to operating systems.  if one person finds the os useful, then that's
>> enough.
>>
>> i'm not entirely clear how this metaphor is supposed to be interpreted,
>> but
>> perhaps the idea is that with lots of users, lots of software gets
>> written and
>> clearly more is better.
>>
>> or maybe not.  plan 9 is a research system.  for me that means we use it
>> as
>> it makes doing new and interesting things, or the same thing in an
>> interesting
>> way easy.  so having piles of ported software is at best a distraction.
>>
>> - erik
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

[Bence Fábián]

Ok. Make wonders, then demo them next year on iwp9.


2013/12/15 Oleg 

> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 09:43:27PM +0100, Bence F??bi??n wrote:
> > > Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces,
> >
> > Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke.
>
> I didn't say that this things are implemented well :-). I just say that
> linux has good things in direction of plan9, but it's not plan9. And this
> is a thankless job to make plan9 kernel from linux kernel.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

[Bence Fábián]

> Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces,

Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke.
You need to have *CAP_SYS_ADMIN.* And you need to hack back Constants what
has since have been missing from headers. You need to allocate your stack.
Backwards! It's not even funny as a joke to claim that works. It is
certeainly not easier than swiping out a new window.


2013/12/15 Oleg 

> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:13:38PM -0600, Blake McBride wrote:
> > All of this talk sound like someone saying:  imagine the hurdles of
> sending
> > a man to the moon.  how can man fly when his weight to strength ratio
> > is so poor
>
> No. This sounds like: why do much of useless work?
>
> To not lose plan9 benefits, we better will grow (or porting) many of useful
> and non-existent now software.
>
> Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces, sysfs and normal
> procfs
> (comparing to bsd). May be in the feature it will eliminate ioctl() and
> other
> ugly syscalls and introduce /dev/ttyctl + /dev/tty instead of this. But
> when
> will this happen? We have it all now in plan9.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme: tab size

[Bence Fábián]

There's also a Tab command in acme which sets it for the actual window.
Like 'Tab 8'. Please read the documentation and the source before asking
here. (exectab[] has the commands in exec.c)


2013/12/15 Friedrich Psiorz 

> The acme manpage tells me:
> Set the $tabstop environment variable.
>
> Am 15.12.2013 20:23, schrieb Blake McBride:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I noticed tab size on sam is 8 characters.  This is somewhat standard.
> >  Acme uses 4 (which is perhaps more reasonable in many circumstances).
> >  How can one control the tab size on acme?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Blake McBride
> >
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

[Bence Fábián]

Bottomline is this: People would never use software like that. The ones who
do are already familiar with Plan 9 and weighted pros and cons years ago.
99,9% of the potential users are already on this mailing list and watched
this exact same exchange a dozen times.


2013/12/15 Blake McBride 

> I, respectfully, disagree.  The end purpose of any OS, platform, or
> program is to perform some sort of function.  That end function is called
> an app.  An app can be targeted at a programmer or a dumb user. The
> underlying environment (including tools) determines the available
> facilities a programmer has in order to construct said app.  Unix brings
> far, far better facilities for the programmer than does Window for the
> construction and operation of an app.  The new ideas embodied in Plan-9
> bring considerable enhancements to such an environment.
>
> If I am not going to build an app of some sort or another, what is the
> value of Plan-9?  Am I just going to spend all day playing with the cool
> ideas with no end or purpose in mind?
>
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> If bringing Plan 9 to the masses will bring forth stuff like C++ and
>> Java, I will fight against it till my dying breath.
>>
>> Jokes aside. People don't want to use computers. People want to use apps.
>> Noone will like Plan 9. Where you have to read manuals. They hate that. If
>> you like Plan 9, and there's a usecase for it, use it. And write device
>> drivers. That is much more helpful than trying to convince LKML folks that
>> they need userlevel namespaces. People already tried this.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/15 Blake McBride 
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 AM, trebol  wrote:
>>>
>>>> .  The lack of a
>>>> web browser capable of deal with today's madness and the portability
>>>> limitation of ape (at least for a ignorant like me) forcesme to deal
>>>> with other OS I have to install and maintaining, so the simplicity and
>>>> cleanness I like so much of plan9 become useless.  Thanks to Russ Cox
>>>> for P9P!
>>>
>>> 
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is a great segue into a point I was hoping to make.  I read Rob
>>> Pike's comments at:
>>>
>>> http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/
>>>
>>> and it really got me thinking.  What a great idea he talked about!  I
>>> think this may be at the heart of the Plan-9 idea.
>>>
>>> Mind-share and markets rarely move with sense or logic.  The better
>>> approach rarely wins. It is more a matter of critical mass of mind-share.
>>>  Linux, for a lot of really good reasons, has that mind-share (in the
>>> technical arena).  (Of course Windows has much more mind-share do largely
>>> to the fact that most users are non-technical and don't understand the
>>> difference - not to mention Microsoft's bullying of the market...)
>>>
>>> I think Plan-9 suffered from two big issues.  The first was lack of
>>> mind-share (crowd acceptance).  It is very hard to compete with Windows &
>>> Linux.  The second was lack of support for a huge need - a fully functional
>>> browser.
>>>
>>> In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that Plan-9
>>> has no real future.  On the other hand, I believe that some of the best
>>> ideas Plan-9 brings us can and should be a part of the future.  I think the
>>> best, most practical way to bring those ideas to wide-spread use and
>>> availability is to implement those ideas in the Linux kernel.  I understand
>>> that, since Linux is not Plan-9, there would be compromises and
>>> limitations, but it would be a huge step in the right direction.  Plan-9
>>> proved those ideas in an ideal environment.  Just like what Smalltalk did
>>> to the world - creating C++, Java, the mouse, etc., Plan-9 can bring its
>>> ideas to the mainstream through additions and improvements to existing
>>> technology like Linux.
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>>
>>> Blake McBride
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

[Bence Fábián]

If bringing Plan 9 to the masses will bring forth stuff like C++ and Java,
I will fight against it till my dying breath.

Jokes aside. People don't want to use computers. People want to use apps.
Noone will like Plan 9. Where you have to read manuals. They hate that. If
you like Plan 9, and there's a usecase for it, use it. And write device
drivers. That is much more helpful than trying to convince LKML folks that
they need userlevel namespaces. People already tried this.


2013/12/15 Blake McBride 

> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 AM, trebol  wrote:
>
>> .  The lack of a
>> web browser capable of deal with today's madness and the portability
>> limitation of ape (at least for a ignorant like me) forcesme to deal
>> with other OS I have to install and maintaining, so the simplicity and
>> cleanness I like so much of plan9 become useless.  Thanks to Russ Cox for
>> P9P!
>
> 
>>
>
> This is a great segue into a point I was hoping to make.  I read Rob
> Pike's comments at:
>
> http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/
>
> and it really got me thinking.  What a great idea he talked about!  I
> think this may be at the heart of the Plan-9 idea.
>
> Mind-share and markets rarely move with sense or logic.  The better
> approach rarely wins. It is more a matter of critical mass of mind-share.
>  Linux, for a lot of really good reasons, has that mind-share (in the
> technical arena).  (Of course Windows has much more mind-share do largely
> to the fact that most users are non-technical and don't understand the
> difference - not to mention Microsoft's bullying of the market...)
>
> I think Plan-9 suffered from two big issues.  The first was lack of
> mind-share (crowd acceptance).  It is very hard to compete with Windows &
> Linux.  The second was lack of support for a huge need - a fully functional
> browser.
>
> In spite of some really great ideas, I think we'd all agree that Plan-9
> has no real future.  On the other hand, I believe that some of the best
> ideas Plan-9 brings us can and should be a part of the future.  I think the
> best, most practical way to bring those ideas to wide-spread use and
> availability is to implement those ideas in the Linux kernel.  I understand
> that, since Linux is not Plan-9, there would be compromises and
> limitations, but it would be a huge step in the right direction.  Plan-9
> proved those ideas in an ideal environment.  Just like what Smalltalk did
> to the world - creating C++, Java, the mouse, etc., Plan-9 can bring its
> ideas to the mainstream through additions and improvements to existing
> technology like Linux.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> Blake McBride
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Can't start multiple copies of acme

[Bence Fábián]

> On a semi-different note, I understand the great advancement Plan-9
> brings to the table with respect to making all operations part of
> the file system.  On the flip side, I do not understand the benefit
> p9p brings to the table with bind and friends.  It is too much of
> a tack-on IMO.  I deeply appreciate native sam & acme, and would
> appreciate an even more native port of same.  And, not to dispriage
> the true benefits of Plan-9, I would love to see a POSIX implementation
> of those ideas.  (A topic of a future post.)

A topic of loads of past posts. Look up the glendix project. It's really
hard to
bolt this stuff on a posix system and I don't really see the point anymore.
Use Plan 9 for the stuff you need it for and use some POSX system for
online poker or whatever it is we need modern browsers for.

Re: [9fans] Can't start multiple copies of acme

[Bence Fábián]

I don't say it is very common, but I do run multiple acmes under
Plan 9 sometimes. With vastly different name spaces.


2013/12/15 erik quanstrom 

> On Sun Dec 15 10:23:13 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote:
>
> > I checked.  The following shell script does the trick:
> >
> >
> > #
> > mkdir /tmp/acme-$$
> > NAMESPACE=/tmp/acme-$$ acme "$@"
>
> this is swimming up stream.  acme's model is to run 1 copy of acme,
> and edit all files in it.  many things, such as plumbing, will work
> better with 1 copy of acme.
>
> by the way, this limitation is p9p specific.  but still it's no
> fun to have the same file get plumbed to every acme.
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme: single quotes and hyphens

[Bence Fábián]

No problem. Use |fmt to word wrap. nroff does much more.


2013/12/14 Blake McBride 

> Apology.  I started using a shell script I created to perform text wrap in
> acme by executing the script with |wrap
> Turns out it is my script (nroff version of groff) that is doing it.
>  That should be easy to fix.
>
> Thanks, and sorry about the confusion.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> It's your keyboard layout. acme does no such thing to my knowledge.
>> Also it has nothing to do with the font. I assume you use p9p acme
>> on Mac OS X based on your last letter. So I can't help you more.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/14 Blake McBride 
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> While working with acme I had a problem with spell checking.
>>>  Investigating, I discovered that my setup of acme is not using normal
>>> single quotes or hyphens.  Instead of inserting what all other editors
>>> insert when I hit my single quote or dash keys, acme is inserting some
>>> other (2 byte?) character.  I understand unicode but I am American-English.
>>>  My compiler and spell checker expect single byte, standard ASCII codes for
>>> dash and single quotes.  I absolutely can't use acme like this.
>>>
>>> I am using the standard font.  Is there a way for me to correct this
>>> behavior?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Blake McBride
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme: single quotes and hyphens

[Bence Fábián]

Also you can do

Edit , >od -x

To see a hexdump of a window.


2013/12/14 Bence Fábián 

> It's your keyboard layout. acme does no such thing to my knowledge.
> Also it has nothing to do with the font. I assume you use p9p acme
> on Mac OS X based on your last letter. So I can't help you more.
>
>
> 2013/12/14 Blake McBride 
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> While working with acme I had a problem with spell checking.
>>  Investigating, I discovered that my setup of acme is not using normal
>> single quotes or hyphens.  Instead of inserting what all other editors
>> insert when I hit my single quote or dash keys, acme is inserting some
>> other (2 byte?) character.  I understand unicode but I am American-English.
>>  My compiler and spell checker expect single byte, standard ASCII codes for
>> dash and single quotes.  I absolutely can't use acme like this.
>>
>> I am using the standard font.  Is there a way for me to correct this
>> behavior?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Blake McBride
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme: single quotes and hyphens

[Bence Fábián]

It's your keyboard layout. acme does no such thing to my knowledge.
Also it has nothing to do with the font. I assume you use p9p acme
on Mac OS X based on your last letter. So I can't help you more.


2013/12/14 Blake McBride 

> Greetings,
>
> While working with acme I had a problem with spell checking.
>  Investigating, I discovered that my setup of acme is not using normal
> single quotes or hyphens.  Instead of inserting what all other editors
> insert when I hit my single quote or dash keys, acme is inserting some
> other (2 byte?) character.  I understand unicode but I am American-English.
>  My compiler and spell checker expect single byte, standard ASCII codes for
> dash and single quotes.  I absolutely can't use acme like this.
>
> I am using the standard font.  Is there a way for me to correct this
> behavior?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Blake McBride
>
>

Re: [9fans] Can't start multiple copies of acme

[Bence Fábián]

Hi!

Thanks for the interest in plan 9.
Three things:
If you have a question try searching http://9fans.net/archives/

To open files with p9p applications use the plumber (acme is much
better when the plumber is running too). Read the manpage and the
paper. There are some pretty cool examples on this list too. And on
some of our blogs.

To open a new acme the quickest way is to change $NAMESPACE. However
there are smoother solutions proposed in the archives.

Sorry for the promiscous mistakes.
Sent from my abacus.

B


2013/12/13, Blake McBride :
> Greetings,
>
> I am using p9p on a Mac.
>
> I am able to start any number of copies of sam as expected.  Acme runs well
> too, but I can only start a single copy.  If I try to start a second copy I
> get:
>
> 9pserve: announce unix!/tmp/ns.blake._tmp_launch-nvfpC3_org.x:0/acme:
> Address already in use
> acme: can't post service: 9pserve failed
>
>
> I understand that acme can display multiple files and that, perhaps, only
> one copy is needed.  I am, however, experiencing two cases where starting
> up an additional copy is advantageous, and not being able to start more
> than one copy is a problem.
>
> I have been able to create a Mac application out of sam & acme.  With that,
> I am able to associate a file extension (txt, etc.) with an application
> such that when I click on the file a copy of sam or acme is started up so
> the clicked-on file can be edited.  This works perfectly with sam, but only
> work for the first file with acme because of not being able to start
> multiple copies.
>
> A second issue is I am sometimes editing multiple files in acme.  Someone
> calls and I have to make a quick edit to another file.  Rather than mess up
> the multi-window setup I have for my current project, I'd rather start up
> an additional copy of acme to edit that one file and then go back to my
> untouched development environment.  (I know about dump/load.  That is very
> useful, and I use it.  But I don't want to go through all those extra steps
> in a quick edit situation.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Blake McBride
>

Re: [9fans] marking lines in Acme

[Bence Fábián]

Prepend some wierd character.
Like ¤. then you can Edit , x/^¤.*/.


2013/12/11 dexen deVries 

> hi list,
>
>
> i reckon the subject of multi-selections in Acme has been discussed back
> and
> forth, but please hear me out.
>
> use case: i want to indicate in Acme which lines of a file has been
> changed.
>
> a script executes `git show HEAD' (last commited changes) or `git diff'
> (uncommited changes), opens indicated files and marks what has been
> changed.
>
> as of now, the script marks only first changed range in file via selection.
>
> any /other/ sensible way of indicating other changes in this file?
>
>
> --
> dexen deVries
>
> [[[↓][→]]]
>
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status)

[Bence Fábián]

Compile or not compile, there is no try.
One does not simply compile.


2013/12/3 erik quanstrom 

> > The patch was a bit of a scream.  I'm the first to admit that 8c needs
> > a touch of TLC and that an abort() in the middle of a compiler,
> > without the slightest attempt to deal with the problem is at least as
> > embarrassing as the expansion of BGETLE, but the original code that
> > tripped the compiler was also extremely shoddy.  And the Go
>
> one does not attempt in a compiler.  one does correctly or one does
> not do.  "attempting" is the path to madness.  it's been a while since
> i've debugged something down to the asm and found the compiler had
> got it wrong.  we must keep it this way!
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] mount inferno from plan 9

[Bence Fábián]

Thanks Charles.

It didn't occur to me to check import(4) however I'm pretty sure i saw it
in the output of lookman :)


2013/10/24 Charles Forsyth 

>
> On 24 October 2013 15:14, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> ;listen 'tcp!*!12345' {export /usr/bfabian &}
>>
>> (so auth isn't turned off)
>> I get the "bad fversion conversion" error when
>> i try to mount.
>>
>
> see 9export in inferno's import(4).
>

[9fans] mount inferno from plan 9

[Bence Fábián]

I see there's been a similar discussion before.

http://9fans.net/archive/2009/09/676

But i want to mount inferno from plan9
so that solution doesn't work for me.

if i do

;listen -A 'tcp!*!12345' {export /usr/bfabian &}

that works, but when i do

;listen 'tcp!*!12345' {export /usr/bfabian &}

(so auth isn't turned off)
I get the "bad fversion conversion" error when
i try to mount.

Re: [9fans] Look vs. Edit?

[Bence Fábián]

Look's strength is B2-1.
You highlight something in one window, and B2-1 on Look in another.
I use this a lot. For example when i have a .c and a .h file open
side-by-side.


2013/9/11 dexen deVries 

> On Wednesday 11 of September 2013 12:28:16 Lee Fallat wrote:
> > Personally, I have replaced Look with Edit because I just highlight-B3
> and
> > it searches. Plus I use the sam command language a lot.
>
>
> Look is guaranteed to be side-effect free, while B3 can end up invoking any
> program as defined in /usr/$user/lib/plumbing.
>
>
> i used to have a (now long forgotten) script perform some operation on
> current
> Git repository upon B3 on SHA1.
>
>
> --
> dexen deVries
>
> [[[↓][→]]]
>
> Take care of the luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves.
> -- L. Long
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] programmable pathname completion in Acme?

[Bence Fábián]

Yep. That way it is hard :)
Although i think you could do it with acid without changing code.
If you are masochistic.


2013/9/9 Lee Fallat 

> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
> nothing prevents textcomplete from forking.
>>
>
> Sorry, I mean it is not possible without having to change some source
> code. :)
>
>

Re: [9fans] programmable pathname completion in Acme?

[Bence Fábián]

nothing prevents textcomplete from forking.


2013/9/9 Lee Fallat 

> Source code says: no.
>
> Check out line 725* in text.c, and begin your journey!
>
> *Code at line 725 in text.c for 9front acme:
>
> case 0x06:
>  case Kins: //interesting, didn't know you could use the insert key to
> invoke this too.
> rp = textcomplete(t); //the path completion
>  if(rp == nil)
> return;
> nr = runestrlen(rp);
>  break; /* fall through to normal insertion case */
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:38 AM, dexen deVries wrote:
>
>> currently the ^F pathname completion is handled internally by Acme. is
>> there a
>> way to pass the argument of ^F to a script instead?
>>
>>
>> my use case: find an existing pathname by supplying /any/ substring of it
>> and
>> invoking completion, as opposed to current requirement of providing whole
>> leading part. i have a script that takes part of pathname in $1 and
>> returns
>> all (hopefully exactly one) matching pathnames, and i want to plumb the ^F
>> from Acme to it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> dexen deVries
>>
>> [[[↓][→]]]
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] plumb rule for include files in different directories

[Bence Fábián]

i missed Incl.
thank you


2013/6/11 Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>

> If you're using acme, the Incl command might be useful.
>
>
>

[9fans] plumb rule for include files in different directories

[Bence Fábián]

i work on a project and i'd like to be able to plumb #includes right

source files are in $path-to-project/source/$subsystem/src/
includes are in either $path-to-project/source/$subsystem/intf/
or $path-to-project/intf/$subsystem/intf/

it's quite chaothic

i'm trying (at the end of rules) with something like

type is text
wdir matches '(/path-to-project/.*)/src/.*'
arg isdir $1
data matches '([a-zA-Z¡-￿0-9]+\.h)('$addr')?'
arg isfile $dir/intf/$1
data set $file
attr add addr=$3
plumb to edit
plumb client window $editor

but it doesn't seem to work

Does anyone experimented with this (and managed to solve it)?

Re: [9fans] Octets regexp

[Bence Fábián]

you want to change default behaviour and make the usual usecase special?


2013/5/2 

>
> Or even a specification à la C: by adding a leading 'L' meaning:
> treat the string as UTF-8 that is masters runes. And if not, leave
> it alone.
>
>

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

[Bence Fábián]

I wasn't talking about rc(1). I was talking about echo, tee, cat, touch,
rm, sleep, etc..


2013/4/30 Aram Hăvărneanu 

>
> Sometimes I need to deploy something written in rc(1) over a
> heterogenous Linux cluster, and a statically compiled rc(1) would be a
> blessing.

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

[Bence Fábián]

Some of these programs are just really thin wrappers around system calls.
I don't see how they would benefit from being rewritten in go.
Goblin was a fun way to learn go, not a project to be useful.

However i would be happy to see some new programs written in go.
For example we lack a picture manipulation program.
I'd like to see one done the plan 9 way. ie layers as image(6) files
and a bunch of small filter programs taht work on them (like crop
resample..)
And some interface holding this all together. (Maybe a graphics enabled
acme?)

Re: [9fans] Fsctotum per user instances?

[Bence Fábián]

Include a link if you're reffering something.
It helps a lot.

http://swtch.com/~rsc/talks/nauth.pdf

2013/4/8 Stuart Morrow 

> Tip: Any time someone says read auth.ps, take it to mean read
> nauth.pdf; auth.ps; nauth.pdf, where nauth.pdf is the slides at
> swtch.com
>
> In others words, read overview; details; summary.
>
> I find the auth stuff to be some of the harder stuff to fully
> understand, the existence of this thread corroborates that.
>
>

Re: [9fans] [9pi] standardize \ normalize setting dns in

[Bence Fábián]

I tried with a dummy file and I get the same results as you.
My guess (haven't checked anything) that it gets the other
information from /net/ndb.

However I'm in no way an ndb expert. Maybe someone
knowledgable can weigh in on this.


2013/4/4 erik quanstrom 

> > ipnet=9front ip=10.0.2.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
> > ipgw=10.0.2.2
> > dns=10.150.128.15
> >
> >
>
> 5: r
> !/bin/upas/marshal -s 'Re: [9fans] [9pi] standardize \ normalize setting
> dns in' -R /mail/fs/mbox/1698 9fans@9fans.net
> > sys=thor ether=525400123456 dom=thor.9front
> > ip=10.0.2.15
> >
> >
> > and the output on my qemu terminal looks like this:
> >
> > term% ndb/query sys $sysname
> > ip=10.0.2.15 ipmask=/120 ipgw=10.0.2.2 sys=thor dns=10.150.128.15
> > sys=thor ether=525400123456 dom=thor.9front ip=10.0.2.15
> > term%
>
> that doesn't look right.  using the ndb excerpt posed,
> i get this
>
> ; ndb/query -f /tmp/test.ndb sys thor
> sys=thor ether=525400123456 dom=thor.9front
>
> were some bits left out of your example?
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme script request (was: Acme Edit scriptlets)

[Bence Fábián]

for (dir in `{grep -l '^'$pattern /mnt/acme/[0-9]*/tag | sed 's/tag//'}){
echo delete >$dir/ctl
}

where $pattern is the pattern you want to match


2013/4/4 dexen deVries 

> an Edit script, or an Rc script for Acme, to close all windows which names
> start with given (literal) prefix.
>
> use case: several files and directories of two projects open in one Acme
> instance. want to close all windows related to one of the projects, and
> leave
> the other project's windows open.
>
> --
> dexen deVries
>
> [[[↓][→]]]
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme Edit scriptlets

[Bence Fábián]

whoa. nice job.



2013/4/4 erik quanstrom 

> On Thu Apr  4 08:17:13 EDT 2013, beg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Cool.
> >
> >
> > Here's a script i use to generate case
> > insensitive regexes. It turns
> >
> > FooBar
> >
> > into
> >
> > [Ff][Oo][Oo][Bb][Aa][Rr]
>
> see also rune(1), http://9atom.org/magic/man2html/1/rune
> which generalizes this idea to all of unicode (rune/case),
> and also to diacritical and other markers (rune/fold; rune/unfold).
> for the latter also see grep(1)'s -I flag,
> http://9atom.org/magic/man2html/1/grep
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Acme Edit scriptlets

[Bence Fábián]

Cool.


Here's a script i use to generate case
insensitive regexes. It turns

FooBar

into

[Ff][Oo][Oo][Bb][Aa][Rr]

term% cat /bin/uncase
#!/bin/rc

exec awk '{
lower = tolower($0)
upper = toupper($0)
len = length($0)

for( i = 1 ; i <= len ; i++ )
printf "[" substr(upper, i, 1) substr(lower, i, 1) "]"
printf "\n"
}'




2013/4/4 Mark van Atten 

> On Friday, 29 March 2013 01:38:06 UTC+1, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
> > I did a quick writeup on little Edit scripts
>
> Many thanks, this thread is very useful.
>
> There is also Jason Catena's list of Edit idioms at
> https://raw.github.com/catenate/acme-fonts/master/test/1/acme/Edit/sam
>
> When editing and re-editing latex, I regularly pipe selections
> through a simple-minded script called `chunk' which does most of
> the work for obtaining semantic linebreaks. That goes back to a
> recommendation by Kernighan in his paper `Unix for beginners' of
> 1974; see the quotation, comments and link at [1].
>
>
>
> #!/usr/local/plan9/bin/rc
> # chunk up (to prepare) for semantic linebreaks
>
> # do  not break within \cite
> # do not break within $$ math
> # break after closing parentheses ),]
> # break before an opening parentheses (,[
>
> ssam -e 'x/(^[^%].+\n)+/  y/\\cite[^{]*{(\n|.)*}/ y/\$.*\$/
> x/(([^A-Z]\.)|[,;:!?]|\)|\]) | (\(|\[)/ s/ /\n/' \ | 9 fmt -w 60
> -j
>
>
> For batch processing probably something more sophisticated would
> be needed to leave various environments unchunked. But I don't use
> it that way, and just apply it to selections where I know its use
> makes sense. Usually these are areas where I have just been doing
> a lot of rewriting.
>
> There's no point in chunking up commented material, and sometimes
> it is actually convenient to have a place where I can keep things
> unchunked for reference.
>
> The original chunk command in Writer's Workbench [2], for troff not
> latex, was  based on a parser for English, I think. I find I don't
> want that (because I write in other languages as well), and that
> even in English I don't need it (because the chunking based on
> interpunction is always fine with me, and where I care about the
> remaining cases, I prefer to do it myself; but see [3]).
>
> Mark.
>
>
> [1] http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2012/one-sentence-per-line/
>
> [2] http://man.cat-v.org/unix_WWB/1/chunk
>
> [3] https://github.com/waldir/semantic-linebreaker
>
>

Re: [9fans] [9pi] standardize \ normalize setting dns in

[Bence Fábián]

2013/4/4 

> term% cat /lib/ndb/local
>
> #
> #  files comprising the database, use as many as you like, see ndb(6)
> #
> database=
> file=/lib/ndb/local
> file=/lib/ndb/common
>
> auth=sources.cs.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com
>
> #
> #  because the public demands the name localsource
> #
> ip=127.0.0.1 sys=localhost dom=localhost
>
> ipnet=HOME
> ip=10.0.0.0
> ipmask=255.255.255.0
> ipsubmask=255.255.255.0
> ipgw=10.0.0.138
> auth=9pi
> cpu=9pi
> fs=9pi
> dns=1.2.3.4
> dns=8.8.8.8
> dns=8.8.4.4
> dns=10.0.0.138
> dnsdomain=HOME
>
> ip=10.0.0.13 sys=9pi dom=9pi.HOME proto=il
>
> auth=10.0.0.13 authdom=9pi.HOME
>
> term% ndb/query sys $sysname
> ip=10.0.0.13 sys=9pi dom=9pi.HOME proto=il
>
> Thanks !
>
>
Suppose you have

ip=10.0.0.13 sys=9pi1 dom=9pi.HOME proto=il

ip=10.0.0.14 sys=9pi4 dom=9pi.HOME proto=il

which one is this machine?
add the 'ether='

excerpt from my /lib/ndb/local:

ipnet=9front ip=10.0.2.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
ipgw=10.0.2.2
dns=10.150.128.15

sys=thor ether=525400123456 dom=thor.9front
ip=10.0.2.15


and the output on my qemu terminal looks like this:

term% ndb/query sys $sysname
ip=10.0.2.15 ipmask=/120 ipgw=10.0.2.2 sys=thor dns=10.150.128.15
sys=thor ether=525400123456 dom=thor.9front ip=10.0.2.15
term%

Re: [9fans] documentation suggestion

[Bence Fábián]

Well it can be anything. I usually have |awk too. Works with a lot of
things.
The 'Look' in the tag is really good for this also. Say I have a variable in
one file and want to look for it in another window. Just highlight it and
2-1
click on the 'Look' on the other window. You don't even have to touch the
keyboard. It is really fast.


2013/4/3 aram 

> Awesome, Bence.
>
> I was so much frustrated with the multi-line tag.
> Actually when you maximizing with 2 a window, all tags become one-liners
>  in that column, hiding
> all the additional lines at tags. So you must individually scroll down
> every multi-line tag.
>
> With your approach it seems there is no much need to have mult-line tags
> anyway, since the
> additional lines are for Edit commands in the most cases.
>

Re: [9fans] [9pi] standardize \ normalize setting dns in

[Bence Fábián]

what does ndb/query sys $sysname say?

try to add ether and dom like this:

ip=10.0.0.13 sys=9pi ether=x... dom=9pi.Home



2013/4/3 

> On Mar 28, 8:41 am, 9f...@hamnavoe.com (Richard Miller) wrote:
> > For a machine not receiving net configuration via DHCP, the normal
> > place to define dns= would be in /lib/ndb/local - 'man 6 ndb' for
> > information.
>
> Yes. I've already figured out that much:
>
> term% cat /lib/ndb/local
>
> database=
> file=/lib/ndb/local
> file=/lib/ndb/common
>
> auth=sources.cd.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com
>
> ip=127.0.0.1 sys=localhost dom=localhost
>
> ipnet=Home ip=10.0.0.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
> ipgw=10.0.0.138
> dns=1.2.3.4 # (my isp's dns)
> dns=8.8.8.8 # (googleA)
> dns=8.8.4.4 # (googleB)
> dns=10.0.0.138 # (my router for when the net is down but I still
> want
> local quarries getting through and local dom - .Home - requests)
> auth=9pi
> cpu=9pi
>
> ip=10.0.0.13 sys=9pi
>
> The thing is, the way I understand and implement it, you have your
> basic networking split in at least two places: The /lib/ndb/local file
> and the ip/ipconfig command arguments (being called from
> termrc.local...). Now, if there's a DHCP then you can forgo /lib/ndb/
> local and just specify an empty "ipconfig=". However, on a static ip
> you're only allowed to do everything except feeding it a dns.
>
> My idea is to have a line or two added to termrc.local that will parse
> a single dns var from the cmdline.txt file. This way you can get the
> same convenience you'd get with DHCP in a static setup.
>
> I'm not sure it's a possible needless un +\-foreseen complication,
> lack of interest, an oversight, a security concern or whatever... But
> it seems to me that it could simplify things a little.
>
> Just a thought really.
>
> p.s. This is my third or fourth attempt at a reply. The first two were
> on the new groups interface. This attempt is on the old one. hopefully
> those aren't coming out somewhere as double\triple\quadruple posts...
>
>

Re: [9fans] documentation suggestion

[Bence Fábián]

Do what i do. I have only "Edit" on the tagline and write the commands in a
new window. And just highlight them and 2-1 click on the Edit on the
window i want the changes to happen. Easier and reusable.


2013/4/1 Peter A. Cejchan 

> however, in native Plan9, scrolling goes too fast for multi-line tagline
> :-)
> [yes, I know that I should keep commands short, but, e.g., Edit requires
> newline between commands :(((]
>
> ++pac
>

[9fans] Acme Edit scriptlets

[Bence Fábián]

Hi!

I did a quick writeup on little Edit scripts
(well basicly sam(1) scripts)
If anyone have more feel free to contribute.
Maybe someone could put them on the wiki even.

http://bencef.com/blog/4/

bencef

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Propaganda

[Bence Fábián]

very cool
thx


2013/3/28 

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've put together a collection of Plan 9 ``propaganda''
>  (strictly Bell Labs edition since 9front already has theirs).
> Its mostly just pastiche with some silly slogans and lines
>  from the film, but it was fun to create.
>
> http://pdf.multics.org/Propaganda/
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

[Bence Fábián]

That's what i meant. May be i wasn't clear. So mothra by Tom is great.
And the 9front guys really improved on it.


2013/3/26 

> > but i really like mothra. It's so pure. You just gotta love it. The
> 9front
> > guys did a really good job with it.
>
> To be clear:
>
> Tom Duff created mothra. We made some alterations.
>
> -sl
>
>

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

[Bence Fábián]

2013/3/25 

> > And how do you manage to browser the web?
>
> 9front did some work on mothra. For trivial javascript
> I try charon (which was sufficient to configure my wifi
> router). As a last resort I VNC to another operating
> system.
>
> For the vast majority of what I do, mothra is sufficient.
>
> -sl
>
>
Yes. This. I run my terminals in qemu/kvm on linux, My servers on real
hardware. Or "in the cloud" (thanks Kurt).  And i switch back to linux
for mplayer and to watch youtube videos (and for some  other websites)
but i really like mothra. It's so pure. You just gotta love it. The 9front
guys did a really good job with it. I even use Plan 9 at my workspace. I
just ftpfs everything and massage my namespace anyway i want. And give the
occasional $MAKE command through ssh. It's so noiseless. Of course there
is room for improvement. But I can't complain I have all the tools ☺

Re: [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option for Plan9)

[Bence Fábián]

What if you want to make postscript from troff files?
Mk is a general tool and a good one. But it will never
have intricate knowledge about the files it works on.


2013/3/25 dexen deVries 
>
> if mk understood 8c's construct ``#pragma lib "libbio.a"'' and used it to
> link
> correct libraries, it could be said to understand the actual dependencies
> as
> expressed by code.
>
> of course, the deeper you go into this rabbit hole, the closer you get to
> something resembling GNU autotools.
>
>

Re: [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option for Plan9)

[Bence Fábián]

mk doesn't parses '#include' directives in C and even if it did, it
wouldn't help.
I think that's what hes referring to.


2013/3/25 hiro <23h...@gmail.com>

> > It does not understand the real dependencies in your software.
>
> what does "understand" mean in that context?
> I would think if this is all done automagically with go it would need
> to follow even more general rules, no?
>
>

Re: [9fans] Tassilo Philip, you asked the perfect question

[Bence Fábián]

2013/3/18 Tassilo Philipp 

> "Dude", give it some time... You are writing to a mailing list of a rather
> small, but _dedicated_ community, that is absolutely open to good ideas and
> design. However, I'd bet that a lot of us have a lot of things to do, every
> day - things that have nothing to do with Plan9.
>
> I, for example, I work in games. PC games to be precise, a
> Windows-dominated world. I learned a lot through this list, and surely miss
> many of the Plan9 ideas in other operating systems. I would love to spend
> 100% of my time to port software to Plan9 (which it is lacking, for sure),
> but simply can't. Work, family, personal projects, 50+ emails a day to work
> through, etc.. You know, I see so many interesting ideas from all kinds of
> people every week, and I usually leave my browser-tabs open, to look at
> them in detail, later. And guess what: often, I never get around it.
>

I second that. I wanted to look into ANTS since you first posted about
it, but I just simply didn't have the time. To read about it, set it
up, read some more, play around with it. That would take at least 4-5
hours. Just to get a feel of it.  I don't have that much free time on a
weekday and usually even my weekends are full with personal programs. It
takes me a few weeks to check something out.

But since then you have posted at least forty mails, complaining that
noone gave you feedback. You've been working on this for a long time. You
know it inside out. But for us this is a totally new (and btw huge)
project. Let it sink in. ANTS looks interesting. I'm sure a few people
will try it and maybe like it, even use, and contribute to it. Just be
patient. Nobody likes if someone is pestering him about something he's
doing as a favour.

And I don't think IBM will give a shit if the 500 people using Plan 9
has ANTS which has similar goals as one of their projects, which they
patented an implementation for.

So calm the fuck down, it's all good ☺

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 ARM questions

[Bence Fábián]

maybe it would be worthwhile to look into XCPU:

http://xcpu.sourceforge.net/




2013/3/8 Paolo P. Martino 

> Hello all,
>
> I am studying for a MSc in High Performance Computing at the Edinburgh
> University, UK.
> As part of my dissertation project, I was thinking to use Plan 9 as
> compute node for ARM-based clusters.
> My idea is to "port" the ideas of Plan 9 on Bluegene to ARM.
> I have a couple of questions:
> 1) How is the status of linuxemu? Does it work only on x86 or is it
> portable? This because of MPI/OpenMP/FORTRAN widely used in High
> Performance Computing.
> 2) Is someone already working to port Plan 9 on Exynos5/Cortex A15
> processors?
>
> I'm still checking with my university if I can use this project also for
> the GSoC 2013.
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Paolo P. Martino
>
>

Re: [9fans] building go on VMWare gives fatal error: malloc/free -

[Bence Fábián]

2013/3/6 David Leimbach 

>
> I tried to build it on a real computer and my wife filed for divorce.
>
>
Bug status: Cannot reproduce

Re: [9fans] Git (Was: Acme: indicator of running process)

[Bence Fábián]

The last sentence was

"using p9p Acme."

This is a p9p on Mac OS X mailing list.


2013/3/5 

> > He was asking about plan9port.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, myself, but I thought there was a
> separate mailing list for plan9port?  That's what prompted me to ask,
> there was no explicit mention of p9p in Devon's message.
>
> ++L
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] aux/stub additional bind i don't get

[Bence Fábián]

that solves it. thanks



2013/3/1 Yaroslav 

> try bind -c $dir $dir before aux/stub
>

[9fans] aux/stub additional bind i don't get

[Bence Fábián]

Hi!

if i do aux/stub newfile. It does a

bind $dir $dir

before the mount. which prohibits creates
in that directory. I couldn't find out where
does this happen. maybe in postmntsrv?
is there a way to circumwent this?

bencef

Re: [9fans] acid on linux; easiest-to-set-up virtual machine

[Bence Fábián]

Sun products not running on solaris are always fun.
Anyone remembers the leaked java memo?


2013/2/1 Charles Forsyth 

> I couldn't get the vbox I downloaded to work properly with Solaris.
> Several hours of my life are missing.
>
> On 1 February 2013 02:39, ron minnich  wrote:
> > vbox is a useful bit paperweight. Maybe you have too many bits, and
> > they might float away. Use vbox to hold them down. If you ever need
> > the bits vbox is holding down, then you can set those bits free by
> > removing vbox.
> >
> > I think it has some other alleged use but I have not had much luck with
> that.
> >
> > ron
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] off topic: lego runs linux

[Bence Fábián]

http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/rcx_paper.html

Once again 9P was there first :)




2013/1/16 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQ3g-iW-Ow
>
>

Re: [9fans] How to do this with [acme | sam | sed ] ?

[Bence Fábián]

for the third:
/\+\+[a-zA-Z_]+[0-9a-zA-Z_]*/{
x/\+\+/d
a/++/
}

the braces stuff is pretty tough, but maybe someone will have an idea.
however it is really easy to do it by hand in acme.

click on the inside of the opening paren with a double click then click
button 2
(while still holding down button 1 from the double click) this will cut
everything
inside that and the matching paren. then highlight the remaining () and
while
still holding down button 1 push button3.
Looks complicated written down but it's a really quick and easy to learn
sequence.



2013/1/11 Peter A. Cejchan 

> ## How to do this with [acme | sam | sed ]  ?
> # compound commands
> # remove outermost pair of braces:  abcd(x+(y-z))efgh  --> abcdx+(y-z)efgh
>  [ no idea :-( ]
> # remove semicolon before // comments:  xyz;[tab][space]*//  --> xyz
>  [ Edit /;[ ]*\/\// Edit s/;//  # find and remove semicolon
> before // comments ]
> # prefix to postfix operator: ++i --> i++
>  [ Edit s/\+\+[a-zA-Z]+[0-9a-zA-Z]*/&++/ Edit s/\+\+/d]
>
> thanks,
> ++pac
>
>

Re: [9fans] p9p: .suspect added to mail attachments

[Bence Fábián]

2013/1/9 Rudolf Sykora 

> Hello,
>
> On 8 January 2013 16:27, erik quanstrom  wrote:
> > vf is no longer useful.  on plan 9 /mail/lib/qmail calls it.
> > i bet there's similar in p9p and it could be replaced with
> > cat.
> >
> > - erik
> >
>
> I tried to locate the place where 'vf' is called (on p9p) with the
> commands:
>
> cd $PLAN9/src
> 9 du -a . |awk '{print $2}' | xargs -I foo grep vf foo /dev/null |
> grep -v Binary
>
> but it seems it didn't hit anything useful...
> what is it that I am assuming that is wrong?
>
> Thanks!
> Ruda
>
>
that it is called from C code. try $PLAN9/mail/lib

-bence

Re: [9fans] these are release of 9front?

[Bence Fábián]

Since there are a lot of code flow between 9front and 9atom (even sources,
however that's mostly one directional) I would argue that having the
forks even make things better. Erik and Cinap can experiment more
freely and all the changes are available for everyone. Even breaking
driver compatibility worth it, since the kernel is so small anyway. It is
fairly straightforward to change things. Plan9 is an excellent playground
as you put it. It's a good thing everyone can make their own.

-bence


2013/1/8 Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>

> > many drivers needed a rewrite anyway (like usb audio) because they
> > where a total mess.
>
> There are plenty of things in Plan 9 still in need of improvement
> or even rewriting.  That's why it makes me sad to see our small
> community being made even smaller when some of the most skilled
> programmers direct their efforts into splintering off their own
> little playgrounds instead of helping to make Plan 9 better for
> everyone.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] in general, you cannot debug vesa bios...

[Bence Fábián]

nice job!


2013/1/6 

> but sometimes you can:
>
>
> http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/issues/detail?id=163&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Subsystem
>
> i would like to ask if it would be worthwile to make
> aux/vga able patch the bios using /lib/vgadb. this
> can be sometimes usefull to add additional modes that
> would otherwise be unaccessible. in this particular
> case a internal table in the vesa bios had a wrong
> entry for an offered mode.
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

Re: [9fans] 9atom

[Bence Fábián]

http://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom2.iso.bz2

you mean ;)


2013/1/3 erik quanstrom 

> i have a test image of a new and hopefully improved 9atom @
> http://www.quanstro.net/other/9atom2.iso.bz2.
> it's not perfect, it's not polished, but it should contain the
> basics, be go compatable, contain a copy of nix, be self-compiling,
> and a few other things that i'll announce once i have a bit more
> confidence that i haven't jobbed the cd.
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Logitech m310 mouse issues & SSH

[Bence Fábián]

netstat -i

however it's plan9. you can do better. check out drawterm.


2012/12/7 va3yh 

> On 12-12-07 07:37 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> I think the problem may be incorrect handling of the default "boot
>> protocol"
>> for the usb mouse.  If so, I have a new kernel which should fix it.
>>  Please
>> could you try this:
>>
>> 1. Download 
>> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/**sources/contrib/miller/9piand
>>  copy
>> it to the DOS partition on your SD card.
>>
>>
> I can report that the stock 9pi does not work with my wireless mouse (HP)
> but the above 9pi works.
>
> Thanks
>
> Now that I have plan 9 running in the Pi,
> how do I find out its IP and ssh into it from other OS ?
>
> --
>
> va3yh
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Linking error with 8l, guys, could you tell

[Bence Fábián]

but what is _most_ likely is that you really have them initialized two
times.
just do
g '(op|et)names ?='
you should find 4 initializations. just delete the redundant ones.

2012/11/28 Bence Fábián 

> DATA  opnames<1>+116(SB)/4,$string<1>+739(SB)
> and
> DATA  etnames<1)+72(SB)/4,$string<1>+912(SB)
>
> are the second initializations of both opnames and etnames.
> you can grep for them in the output of
> 8c -S source.c
>
> that's all i can help, cause i can't tell what $string<1>+739(SB)
> and $string<1>+912(SB) refer to
> since they are adresses.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Linking error with 8l, guys, could you tell

[Bence Fábián]

DATA  opnames<1>+116(SB)/4,$string<1>+739(SB)
and
DATA  etnames<1)+72(SB)/4,$string<1>+912(SB)

are the second initializations of both opnames and etnames.
you can grep for them in the output of
8c -S source.c

that's all i can help, cause i can't tell what $string<1>+739(SB)
and $string<1>+912(SB) refer to
since they are adresses.



2012/11/28 

> > int num = 20;
> > int num = 30;
>
> Looks easy to fix, but I understand where you're coming from.  What
> stops you from using a workaround?
>
> ++L
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Linking error with 8l, guys, could you tell

[Bence Fábián]

This is a multiple initialization problem. Here is an example code:

#include 
#include 

int num = 20;
int num = 30;

void
main(void)
{
print("%d\n", num);
exits(nil);
}

relevant parts:

/sys/src/cmd/8l/asm.c:424:
/sys/src/cmd/8l/pass.c:16:



2012/11/28 keystroke 

> Thank you for your reply, erik.
>
> But I don't quite follow you. Are you suggesting that the error has
> nothing to do with "opnames" and "etnames", but is about the following word
> "memccpy"?
>
> I had grep opnames and etnames before, and finds only one initial place.
> And I grep memccpy, no result was found.
> There is a strange situation, when I "8l subr.c" then it's "memccpy", when
> I
> "8l *.8", it shows "create":
>
> (2050) DATA ...(same as before)
> create: multiple initialization.
> ...(same as before)
> create: multiple initialization.
>
> I suspect it is opnames and etnames that cause the problem, and I find
> something
> strange in the subr.c and it's included file go.h, is it relevant?
>
> =
> > subr.c
> =
> static char*
> opnames[] =
> {
> [OADDR] = "ADDR",
> [OADD]  = "ADD",
> [OANDAND]   = "ANDAND",
> [OAND]  = "AND",
> [OARRAY]= "ARRAY",
> [OASOP] = "ASOP",
> [OAS]   = "AS",
> [OBAD]  = "BAD",
> [OBREAK]= "BREAK",
> [OCALL] = "CALL",
> [OCALLPTR]  = "CALLPTR",
> [OCALLMETH] = "CALLMETH",
> [OCALLINTER]= "CALLINTER",
> [OCAT]  = "CAT",
> [OCASE] = "CASE",
> [OXCASE]= "XCASE",
> [OFALL] = "FALL",
> [OCONV] = "CONV",
> [OCOLAS]= "COLAS",
> [OCOM]  = "COM",
> [OCONST]= "CONST",
> [OCONTINUE] = "CONTINUE",
> [ODCLARG]   = "DCLARG",
> [ODCLCONST] = "DCLCONST",
> [ODCLFIELD] = "DCLFIELD",
> [ODCLFUNC]  = "DCLFUNC",
> [ODCLTYPE]  = "DCLTYPE",
> [ODCLVAR]   = "DCLVAR",
> [ODIV]  = "DIV",
> [ODOT]  = "DOT",
> [ODOTPTR]   = "DOTPTR",
> [ODOTMETH]  = "DOTMETH",
> [ODOTINTER] = "DOTINTER",
> [OEMPTY]= "EMPTY",
> [OEND]  = "END",
> [OEQ]   = "EQ",
> [OFOR]  = "FOR",
> [OFUNC] = "FUNC",
> [OGE]   = "GE",
> [OPROC] = "PROC",
> [OGOTO] = "GOTO",
> [OGT]   = "GT",
> [OIF]   = "IF",
> [OINDEX]= "INDEX",
> [OINDEXPTR] = "INDEXPTR",
> [OINDEXSTR] = "INDEXSTR",
> [OINDEXMAP] = "INDEXMAP",
> [OINDEXPTRMAP]  = "INDEXPTRMAP",
> [OIND]  = "IND",
> [OLABEL]= "LABEL",
> [OLE]   = "LE",
> [OLEN]  = "LEN",
> [OLIST] = "LIST",
> [OLITERAL]  = "LITERAL",
> [OLSH]  = "LSH",
> [OLT]   = "LT",
> [OMINUS]= "MINUS",
> [OMOD]  = "MOD",
> [OMUL]  = "MUL",
> [ONAME] = "NAME",
> [ONE]   = "NE",
> [ONOT]  = "NOT",
> [OOROR] = "OROR",
> [OOR]   = "OR",
> [OPLUS] = "PLUS",
> [ODEC]  = "DEC",
> [OINC]  = "INC",
> [OSEND] = "SEND",
> [ORECV] = "RECV",
> [OPTR]  = "PTR",
> [ORETURN]   = "RETURN",
> [ORSH]  = "RSH",
> [OSLICE]= "SLICE",
> [OSUB]  = "SUB",
> [OSWITCH]   = "SWITCH",
> [OTYPE] = "TYPE",
> [OVAR]  = "VAR",
> [OEXPORT]   = "EXPORT",
> [OIMPORT]   = "IMPORT",
> [OXOR]  = "XOR",
> [ONEW]  = "NEW",
> [OFALL] = "FALL",
> [OXFALL]= "XFALL",
> [OPANIC]= "PANIC",
> [OPRINT]= "PRINT",
> [OXXX]  = "XXX",
> };
>
> =
> > go.h
> =
> enum
> {
> OXXX,
>
> OTYPE, OCONST, OVAR, OEXPORT, OIMPORT,
>
> ONAME,
> ODOT, ODOTPTR, ODOTMETH, ODOTINTER,
> ODCLFUNC, ODCLCONST, ODCLVAR,
> ODCLTYPE, ODCLFIELD, ODCLARG,
> OLIST,
> OPTR, OARRAY,
> ORETURN, OFOR, OIF, OSWITCH,
> OAS, OASOP, OCOLAS, OCASE, OXCASE, OFALL, OXFALL,
> OGOTO, OPROC, ONEW, OPANIC, OPRINT, OEMPTY,
>
> OOROR,
> OANDAND,
> OEQ, ONE, OLT, OLE, OGE, OGT,
> OADD, OSUB, OOR, OXOR, OCAT,
> OMUL, ODIV, O

Re: [9fans] Uriel

[Bence Fábián]

2012/11/27 Jacob Todd 

> This is what he would have wanted.
>
That is probably true.

Re: [9fans] 8c - is this leagal?

[Bence Fábián]

yeah i realized since. sorry


2012/11/21 Dan Cross 

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> 8c is for Plan9's C dialect.
>> Look into /sys/doc/ape.ps
>>
>
> This was not a useful answer to Steve's question.
>
> - Dan C.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] 8c - is this leagal?

[Bence Fábián]

8c is for Plan9's C dialect.
Look into /sys/doc/ape.ps


2012/11/21 Steve Simon 

> I'am trying (again) to build svn for plan9 native.
>
> 8c is blowing up with the error:
>
> bad in naddr: NAME cache_init_state
>
> the offending like is:
>
>   static volatile svn_atomic_t cache_init_state = 0;
>
> Is this legal c code, static and volatile?
>
> if it is anyone any ideas how to fix 8c - compilers are a closed book to
> me.
>
> -Steve
>
>

Re: [9fans] iwp9

[Bence Fábián]

Americans aren't really creative with their city names.
They should learn from the welsh. :)


2012/11/19 Andrés Domínguez 

> 2012/11/19 Bence Fábián :
> > I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia.
> > That would make the confusion whole.
>
> Nearly all Athens are in the United States (wikipedia)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens#Other_locations_named_after_Athens
> Greeks should be proud being so famous. Without sign of Athens in
> Near East's Georgia.
>
> This days GPS coordinates are a must ;-).
>
> Andrés
>
>

Re: [9fans] c++

[Bence Fábián]

Then it's not. And if it were it still wouldn't do any good. Just check the
code of the others.


2012/11/19 

> no, its not.
>
> --
> cinap
>
>

Re: [9fans] c++

[Bence Fábián]

If i remember correctly

void foo();

in C++ is equivalent to

void foo(void)

in C.  And the type of 'x' (character literal) in C++ is char. Apart
from that C++ is a superset of C.

But i think it hardly helps him. In the end he will have to follow the
conventions the others use. So I'd recommend reading the code you will
work on.  We use C++ too. And sadly it is hardly consistent since it is
written by loads of people and noone bothers to check. But it's mostly
readable. No template metaprogramming voodoo. Thankfully i work on some
internal tools right now so i can get away with C and yacc. I'm even
using plan9 right now to write documentation for one of them :)



2012/11/19 

> It was not the question (since it is not a matter of taste but of
> professional need), but I find quite significant that nobody has
> cited a book of the author of the language as a good reading.
>
> I'm sorry to say that, for me, this says something about the language
> itself...
> --
> Thierry Laronde 
>   http://www.kergis.com/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
>
>

Re: [9fans] iwp9

[Bence Fábián]

I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia.
That would make the confusion whole.


2012/11/19 erik quanstrom 

> thanks to eric jul for leading a great conference!
>
> the proceedings are now up on iwp9.org.  the permanent
> address of this site will be 7e.iwp9.org.
>
> coraid plan to host iwp9 next year in athens, ga.
> tenative plans are for late october to take advantage
> of fall in georgia.
>
> hope to see you all soon!
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Newbie question: I have a plan9 system

[Bence Fábián]

Using ftpd on either system. On plan 9 it's documented in the manpage
ipserv(8)
if you run the server on the windows machine, read ftpfs(4)


2012/11/12 keystroke 

> In the doubt of news group have eaten my last posts, I post again to make
> sure
> my answer should be know.
>
> Thanks, John, I post my question in the title of the mail,
> clearly it's not obvious to be perceive. Sorry for that.
>
> The question is: I had my laptop running under windows xp, and I installed
> a
> Plan9 system on a vmware virtual machine, how can I move my files between
> the win xp folder say D:\dir and the Plan9 Home floder or any other folder?
>
> And thanks again, to you John, and any body else who is so kind and
> patient to
> answer my question.
>
>

Re: [9fans] multiple acme instances with plan9port

[Bence Fábián]

Yes. It's clumsy.
issuing "Local plumber" starts it.
you could try changing

fsys.c:124: if(post9pservice(p[0], "acme", mtpt) < 0)

to post acme.$pid instead of acme. it's fairly trivial, however might break
something. i don't have time to check it right now.
(there's a global var mainpid. i ithink it is set by the time of the post)


2012/11/7 Sergio Perticone 

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Bence Fábián  wrote:
>
>> you can try this as a quick fix:
>>
>> $ mkdir /tmp/ns2.r
>> $ NAMESPACE=/tmp/ns2.r acme
>>
>> maybe write a wrapper script for it
>>
>>
> But probably you should also take care to run (another instance?) of
> plumber(1) in the same namespace.
>
> s.
>

Re: [9fans] multiple acme instances with plan9port

[Bence Fábián]

you can try this as a quick fix:

$ mkdir /tmp/ns2.r
$ NAMESPACE=/tmp/ns2.r acme

maybe write a wrapper script for it


2012/11/7 Ruslan Khusnullin 

> Hi!
>
> I'm using acme from plan9port on ubuntu linux.
> I tried running multiple acmes in Inferno and it works fine, didn't try it
> in Plan9 but guess it works too.
>
> When I try to start acme (having one instance running) I get an error:
>
> ; /usr/local/plan9/bin/acme
> 9pserve: announce unix!/tmp/ns.r.:0/acme: Address already in use
> acme: can't post service: 9pserve failed
>
> ; namespace
> /tmp/ns.r.:0
>
> ; ll `namespace
> total 0
> srwxr-xr-x 1 r r 0 Nov  7 12:23 acme=
> srwxr-xr-x 1 r r 0 Nov  7 12:23 plumb=
> srwx-- 1 r r 0 Nov  7 12:21 wmii=
>
> How do you run multiple acme instances with plan9port? Is it possible at
> all (considering plan9port lacks true namespaces support)?
>
> I need more than one acme because I have not very big display (19") but
> please don't suggest buying a bigger display ;)
>

Re: [9fans] unicode fonts in troff

[Bence Fábián]

Thanks.

I'd like to use it under plan9 but sadly i don't have the knowhow.
Maybe someone smarter will fix it.

-bence


2012/11/6 Rudolf Sykora 

> What I wrote are actually options you have on linux...
> (I more described p9p than p9.)
> On p9 you have just one way, i.e., try and fix it somehow.
> Which may be a lot of work if you do not have a good picture of the
> situation.
>
> Ruda
>
> On 6 November 2012 10:03, Rudolf Sykora  wrote:
> ...
>
>