Re: [9fans] Flash

[Richard Uhtenwoldt]

Paul Lalonde writes:
>If time is the constraint, then just uninstall all your web browsers

If I did that, I would indeed waste less time, but I would also
have to forgo great benefits that I now enjoy.  In contrast, I
derived almost no benefit from Flash web pages.

I am _not_ claiming that Flash cannot be used to create a web
page beneficial to me or that Flash is intrinsically bad or that
_you_ should uninstall _your_ Flash plugins.

People seem to vary widely in how easy it is for a person to
resist time-wasting temptations.  Having to resist the temptation
to play chess online seemed to consume a nontrivial amount of my
willpower, which I would prefer to have available for other
uses.

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Re: [9fans] Flash

[Pietro Gagliardi]

Better yet, disconnect your Internet connection and go to Multics.

On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote:


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If time is the constraint, then just uninstall all your web  
browsers, or just run native plan9.


Paul

On 9-Feb-08, at 2:08 PM, Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote:



Steve Simon writes:

I turn flash off on all the browsers I use, I find it irritating and
slows things down.


I go further.  I uninstall flash, as follows:

rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/{flashplayer.xpt,libflashplayer.so}

Why do I uninstall flash?  To remove the temptation to visit a
flash web site to play chess.  (I was unhappy with the amount of
time I wasted playing chess when I had flash installed.)


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Re: [9fans] Flash

[Paul Lalonde]

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If time is the constraint, then just uninstall all your web browsers,  
or just run native plan9.


Paul

On 9-Feb-08, at 2:08 PM, Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote:



Steve Simon writes:

I turn flash off on all the browsers I use, I find it irritating and
slows things down.


I go further.  I uninstall flash, as follows:

rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/{flashplayer.xpt,libflashplayer.so}

Why do I uninstall flash?  To remove the temptation to visit a
flash web site to play chess.  (I was unhappy with the amount of
time I wasted playing chess when I had flash installed.)


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[9fans] Flash

[Richard Uhtenwoldt]

Steve Simon writes:
>I turn flash off on all the browsers I use, I find it irritating and
>slows things down.

I go further.  I uninstall flash, as follows:

rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/{flashplayer.xpt,libflashplayer.so}

Why do I uninstall flash?  To remove the temptation to visit a
flash web site to play chess.  (I was unhappy with the amount of
time I wasted playing chess when I had flash installed.)

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[geoff]

`LANG=C' cures a number of ills in modern Gnuware, including ls -l
output.  In effect, it requests traditional Unix behaviour rather than
this week's Linux behaviour, so it's a handy general-purpose
prophylactic.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Pietro Gagliardi]

On Feb 9, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote:


DATAstring<>+0(SB)/8, $"Hello\n\z\z"


Why are there two \zs? Shouldn't one be enough?

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Anant Narayanan]

Thanks everybody (especially Jim and Charles), I got this to work.  
Here's the final program:


DATAstring<>+0(SB)/8, $"Hello\n\z\z"
GLOBL   string<>+0(SB), $8

TEXT_main+0(SB), 1, $0

MOVL$1, 4(SP)
MOVL$string<>+0(SB), 8(SP)
MOVL$7, 12(SP)
MOVL$-1, 16(SP)
MOVL$-1, 20(SP)

MOVL$51, AX
INT $64

MOVL$string<>+0(SB), 4(SP)
MOVL$8, AX
INT $64

Jim pointed out that using RET was incorrect as the instruction  
wouldn't know where to get back to. Calling exits() instead, works.


Plan 9 gets more and more exciting for me, everyday :)
Thanks again!

Cheers,
Anant

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Anant Narayanan]

actually, there's probably enough space above your current location  
to (appear to) work, but a further error

is hinted in the address given by the trap:

8.out 1183: suicide: invalid address 0x7 in sys call pc=0x104e

since 7 is your length value, you've also got an off-by-4 error in  
your stack offsets.


In which direction, 4(SP) or -4(SP)?
Both don't work, it still suicides but at different 'invalid  
addresses' and pc values :(


--
Anant

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Anant Narayanan]

On 09-Feb-08, at 4:04 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:

actually, i think there's something else wrong:
for the equivalent c "pwrite(1, string, 7, 0)" i get this


I don't get FP for `8c -S hello.c' (which just calls pwrite as you  
describe). This is what I get:


TEXTmain+0(SB), 0, $32
MOVL$.string<>+0(SB), CX
MOVL$1, AX
MOVLAX, (SP)
MOVLCX, 4(SP)
MOVL$7, AX
MOVLAX, 8(SP)
MOVL$-1, 12(SP)
MOVL$-1, 16(SP)
CALL,pwrite+0(SB)
RET ,
DATA.string<>+0(SB)/8, $"Hello\n\z\z"
GLOBL   .string<>+0(SB), $8
END ,

Replicating the exact program - with just three changes: moving the  
DATA/GLOBL statement to the top, changing main to _main and replacing  
CALL with MOVL $64, AX and INT $64 - still results in the suicide.


Puzzling.

--
Anant

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Charles Forsyth]

> The meaning of [A-Z], on a gnu system, depends on the locale used. The
> letters between [A-Z] depend on the sorting order defined in the
> locale,  ...

> Using "LANG=C" before evaluating any [A-Z] expression should give you
> the usual C meaning of only capitals.

i know.  i want out.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Charles Forsyth]

>> No two cents from me. Just posted this to say that AT&T syntax is  
>> "sickly." I suppose Anant Narayanan is assembling these using 8a, and  
>> given the "symptoms" (the syntax, that is) 8a must be using AT&T syntax. I  

the assembler is really just a front-end to the loader, and nothing to do with 
`at&t syntax'.
there are some odd aspects to thompson syntax as it is (data loading for 
instance,
and the <>) but generally i agree with brantley.  some weeks i'm working with 
several processors,
even several a day, and the `native' (in what sense? does the processor 
implement them?)
assemblers typically differ in operand order, basic mnemonics (l/st vs mov), 
and other conventions,
whereas the ?a family is uniformly data flow, and tends to use similar 
instructions for
similar things.  i find it much easier moving from platform to platform with it.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Brantley Coile]

> On Feb 9, 2008 8:17 AM, Brantley Coile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I would like to hear what Rob or others have to say about the
>> assembler syntax, but I actually like the syntax for the following
>> reason.
> 
> if you love assembly code, the assembler on Plan 9 is not great.
> 
> If you love assembly code, you are in need of a CAT scan in my view.
> 
> The v6 manual entry for as called assembly code "the ultimate dead
> language". If only that had been true.
> 
> gcc and friends have made the world safe for assembly, and there is more
> assembly in use than ever.
> 
> Writing assembly code should be as painful as possible. Plan 9
> succeeds in that regard. It's a good thing in my view.
> 
> ron

I'm afraid Plan 9 fails in this reguard.  Here's some Oberon code
to make the pread call.  (This is NOT Wirth's compiler, but Paul Reed's.
He agrees with you about make assembly programming as hard as possible.)

PROCEDURE syspread(poshi, poslo: LONGINT;
VAR buf: ARRAY OF CHAR; fd: LONGINT): LONGINT;
BEGIN
(*
18: return value
14: poshi
10: poslo
0c: buflen
08; buf ptr
04: fd
00: RA
*)

SYSTEM.CODE(
0C9H,   (* leave *)
06AH, 50, (* pushb $close *)
058H, (* pop eax *)
0CDH, 040H, (* int $40h *)
089H,084H,024H,018H,000H,000H,000H,  (* movl eax, 
18h(esp) *)
0C2H, 14H, 0(* ret $14h *)
)
END syspread;

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[erik quanstrom]

> if you love assembly code, the assembler on Plan 9 is not great.
> 
> If you love assembly code, you are in need of a CAT scan in my view.
> 
> The v6 manual entry for as called assembly code "the ultimate dead
> language". If only that had been true.
> 
> gcc and friends have made the world safe for assembly, and there is more
> assembly in use than ever.
> 
> Writing assembly code should be as painful as possible. Plan 9
> succeeds in that regard. It's a good thing in my view.
> 
> ron

i don't think that it follows from the fact that assembly language
is inappropriately used in a lot of linux software that it should
be as hard to use as possible on plan 9.

there are some tasks that must be in assembly language.  and it's
a good tool for learning how the machine works.  sometimes, like
on really small controllers, it's the best tool for the job.

just my 2¢.

- erik

p.s. relax ron.  i promise not to rewrite plan 9 in assembly language.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[ron minnich]

On Feb 9, 2008 8:17 AM, Brantley Coile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to hear what Rob or others have to say about the
> assembler syntax, but I actually like the syntax for the following
> reason.

if you love assembly code, the assembler on Plan 9 is not great.

If you love assembly code, you are in need of a CAT scan in my view.

The v6 manual entry for as called assembly code "the ultimate dead
language". If only that had been true.

gcc and friends have made the world safe for assembly, and there is more
assembly in use than ever.

Writing assembly code should be as painful as possible. Plan 9
succeeds in that regard. It's a good thing in my view.

ron

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Brantley Coile]

I would like to hear what Rob or others have to say about the
assembler syntax, but I actually like the syntax for the following
reason.  You only have to remember one syntax and not ten different
ones.  I would think, given that the structure of the compiler/loader
is very non-traditional, it would be difficult to provide all the
pseudo operations that the various native assemblers would require.

Best thing is not to write a lot of assembler code. :)




> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:44:21 -, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to make a Hello World program in assembly without depending
>> on libc. Here's what I have so far:
>>
>> DATA string+0(SB)/7, $"Hello\n\z"
>> GLOBLstring+0(SB), $7
>>
>> TEXT _main+0(SB), 1, $0
>>
>> // first arg; $1 = stdout
>> MOVL $1, (SP)
>> // second arg, address of string
>> MOVL $string+0(SB), 4(SP)
>> // third arg, $7 = length of string
>> MOVL $7, 8(SP)
>> // fourth argument, -1LL (vlong offset)
>> MOVL $-1, 12(SP)
>> MOVL $-1, 16(SP)
>>
>> // use pwrite syscall
>> MOVL $51, AX
>> INT  $64
>> RET
>>
> 
> No two cents from me. Just posted this to say that AT&T syntax is  
> "sickly." I suppose Anant Narayanan is assembling these using 8a, and  
> given the "symptoms" (the syntax, that is) 8a must be using AT&T syntax. I  
> am wondering if there is an Intel syntax assembler for Plan 9 (something  
> akin to Netwide Assembler or yet better Flat Assembler).
> 
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Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Uriel]

On Feb 9, 2008 11:27 AM, Lluís Batlle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The meaning of [A-Z], on a gnu system, depends on the locale used. The
> letters between [A-Z] depend on the sorting order defined in the
> locale, and I guess that's defined by language in unicode somehow; but
> I don't know how much there is a decision by Unicode on that. For
> example, in Catalan we have that [A-Z] array defined as
> [aAbBcCdDeE...]. And imagine: [A-Z] doesn't include [a]. :)

Histerical!

Locales keep getting better and better the more I learn about them...
think of all the jobs that have been created thanks to them, I bet Mr
bs would love to have invented them!

uriel

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Eris Discordia]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:44:21 -, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

I'm trying to make a Hello World program in assembly without depending
on libc. Here's what I have so far:

DATAstring+0(SB)/7, $"Hello\n\z"
GLOBL   string+0(SB), $7

TEXT_main+0(SB), 1, $0

// first arg; $1 = stdout
MOVL$1, (SP)
// second arg, address of string
MOVL$string+0(SB), 4(SP)
// third arg, $7 = length of string
MOVL$7, 8(SP)
// fourth argument, -1LL (vlong offset)
MOVL$-1, 12(SP)
MOVL$-1, 16(SP)

// use pwrite syscall
MOVL$51, AX
INT $64
RET



No two cents from me. Just posted this to say that AT&T syntax is  
"sickly." I suppose Anant Narayanan is assembling these using 8a, and  
given the "symptoms" (the syntax, that is) 8a must be using AT&T syntax. I  
am wondering if there is an Intel syntax assembler for Plan 9 (something  
akin to Netwide Assembler or yet better Flat Assembler).


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Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Anthony Sorace]

On Feb 9, 2008 5:11 AM, Charles Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> is it just a matter of chsh (after changing /etc/shells)?

It is, or at least can be. If you've got the tools installed at any
non-standard location, you have to make sure $PLAN9 is set somewhere
before your shell is started (as opposed to on login). I've considered
creating an rc with a built-in default rcmain to avoid this
requirement on systems I don't control.

[9fans] [ANNOUNCE] libmixp and libmixpsrv

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,


I'd like to announce two 9P libraries for *nix platforms:

libmixp:9P protocol handling
http://j.metux.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51

libmixpsrv: 9P server library
http://j.metux.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52


cu
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Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[erik quanstrom]

> acid: asm(_main)
> _main 0x1020  SUBL$0x18,SP
> _main+0x3 0x1023  MOVL$0x1,0x0(SP)
> _main+0xa 0x102a  MOVL$string(SB),0x4(FP)
> _main+0x12 0x1032 MOVL$0x7,0x8(FP)
> _main+0x1a 0x103a MOVL$0x0,0xc(FP)
> _main+0x22 0x1042 MOVL$0x0,0x10(FP)
> _main+0x2a 0x104a MOVL$0x33,AX
> _main+0x2f 0x104f INTB$0x40
> _main+0x31 0x1051 ADDL$0x18,SP
> _main+0x34 0x1054 RET
> 
> why does the

... SP in the .s get changed to FP unless the offset is 0?

- erik

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[erik quanstrom]

> actually, there's probably enough space above your current location to 
> (appear to) work, but a further error
> is hinted in the address given by the trap:
> 
>   8.out 1183: suicide: invalid address 0x7 in sys call pc=0x104e
> 
> since 7 is your length value, you've also got an off-by-4 error in your stack 
> offsets.

actually, i think there's something else wrong:

acid: asm(_main)
_main 0x1020SUBL$0x18,SP
_main+0x3 0x1023MOVL$0x1,0x0(SP)
_main+0xa 0x102aMOVL$string(SB),0x4(FP)
_main+0x12 0x1032   MOVL$0x7,0x8(FP)
_main+0x1a 0x103a   MOVL$0x0,0xc(FP)
_main+0x22 0x1042   MOVL$0x0,0x10(FP)
_main+0x2a 0x104a   MOVL$0x33,AX
_main+0x2f 0x104f   INTB$0x40
_main+0x31 0x1051   ADDL$0x18,SP
_main+0x34 0x1054   RET

why does the
for the equivalent c "pwrite(1, string, 7, 0)" i get this

acid: asm(main)
main 0x1020 SUBL$0x18,SP
main+0x3 0x1023 MOVL$0x1,AX
main+0x8 0x1028 MOVLAX,0x0(SP)
main+0xb 0x102b MOVLstring(SB),AX
main+0x11 0x1031MOVLAX,0x4(SP)
main+0x15 0x1035MOVL$0x7,AX
main+0x1a 0x103aMOVLAX,0x8(SP)
main+0x1e 0x103eMOVL$0x0,0xc(SP)
main+0x26 0x1046MOVL$0x0,0x10(SP)
main+0x2e 0x104eCALLpwrite(SB)
main+0x33 0x1053ADDL$0x18,SP
main+0x36 0x1056RET

- erik

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Lluís Batlle]

The meaning of [A-Z], on a gnu system, depends on the locale used. The
letters between [A-Z] depend on the sorting order defined in the
locale, and I guess that's defined by language in unicode somehow; but
I don't know how much there is a decision by Unicode on that. For
example, in Catalan we have that [A-Z] array defined as
[aAbBcCdDeE...]. And imagine: [A-Z] doesn't include [a]. :)

Using "LANG=C" before evaluating any [A-Z] expression should give you
the usual C meaning of only capitals.

2008/2/9, Charles Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> this subject line reminds me:
>
> i'm fed up on Linux (Ubuntu) with bash  messing up both file name matching
> and 9term editing and i'd like to switch to p9p's rc.
> (which twit decided that [A-Z] could ever be case-insensitive with a 
> case-sensitive file store?)
> is it just a matter of chsh (after changing /etc/shells)?
> given my experience with Linux, that seems implausibly straightforward.
> i tried googling for some a little while ago but without success.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Charles Forsyth]

> there might be more, but you haven't allocated a stack frame for the (system) 
> call

actually, there's probably enough space above your current location to (appear 
to) work, but a further error
is hinted in the address given by the trap:

8.out 1183: suicide: invalid address 0x7 in sys call pc=0x104e

since 7 is your length value, you've also got an off-by-4 error in your stack 
offsets.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[erik quanstrom]

> I did think that was the case earlier, so I tried:
> 
> TEXT  _main+0(SB), 1, $32
> 
> (And also with values ranging from $4 to $32 in increments of $4 just  
> for the heck of it). But it doesn't seem to make any difference in the  
> suicide, apart from the changed value of pc.
> 
> The error is most likely because of the line (that's the only 7 around  
> there):
> MOVL  $7, 8(SP)
> 
> But it doesn't complain about:
> MOVL  $1, (SP)
> 
> so I wonder...

you seek:
SUBL$value, SP

- erik

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Anant Narayanan]

Hi Charles,

there might be more, but you haven't allocated a stack frame for the  
(system) call


I did think that was the case earlier, so I tried:

TEXT_main+0(SB), 1, $32

(And also with values ranging from $4 to $32 in increments of $4 just  
for the heck of it). But it doesn't seem to make any difference in the  
suicide, apart from the changed value of pc.


The error is most likely because of the line (that's the only 7 around  
there):

MOVL$7, 8(SP)

But it doesn't complain about:
MOVL$1, (SP)

so I wonder...

--
Anant

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Charles Forsyth]

this subject line reminds me:

i'm fed up on Linux (Ubuntu) with bash  messing up both file name matching
and 9term editing and i'd like to switch to p9p's rc.
(which twit decided that [A-Z] could ever be case-insensitive with a 
case-sensitive file store?)
is it just a matter of chsh (after changing /etc/shells)?
given my experience with Linux, that seems implausibly straightforward.
i tried googling for some a little while ago but without success.

Re: [9fans] Hello Assembly

[Charles Forsyth]

> It's probably something silly - I'll be extremely grateful if someone  

there might be more, but you haven't allocated a stack frame for the (system) 
call

[9fans] Hello Assembly

[Anant Narayanan]

Hi,

I'm trying to make a Hello World program in assembly without depending  
on libc. Here's what I have so far:


DATAstring+0(SB)/7, $"Hello\n\z"
GLOBL   string+0(SB), $7

TEXT_main+0(SB), 1, $0

// first arg; $1 = stdout
MOVL$1, (SP)
// second arg, address of string
MOVL$string+0(SB), 4(SP)
// third arg, $7 = length of string
MOVL$7, 8(SP)
// fourth argument, -1LL (vlong offset)
MOVL$-1, 12(SP)
MOVL$-1, 16(SP)

// use pwrite syscall
MOVL$51, AX
INT $64
RET

The program assembles and links fine - but executing it gives me:

8.out 1183: suicide: invalid address 0x7 in sys call pc=0x104e

It's probably something silly - I'll be extremely grateful if someone  
could point out what I'm doing wrong.


Thanks!

--
Anant

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Hongzheng Wang]

Thank you for your information.  It is quite useful.  I will have a
browse for these documents first.

On Feb 9, 2008 5:00 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> tom duff's original paper is in /sys/doc/rc.ps.  i don't think i can
> make a better argument for rc than that.  personally, i think the
> regularized grammer and quoting pay big dividends.  rc is also
> small.  it's not hard to understand the virtual machine its built
> around.  but you'll need to decide for your self.

-- 
HZ

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[mattmobile]

I started to list my favourite features (procedures, splitting, pattern 
matching, case) of rc, but I was just replicating the man page.
I like rc because I can use it and understand scripts I haven't written, 
it is surprise free.

I've also recently started making more use of signals.

I spawn firefox to grab it's output with inferno via vnc but sometimes 
the page never finishes loading so I have to kill it something like this :


fn sigalrm {
   kill_firefox_sleep_and_screengrab
}

sleep 200 && kill -ALRM $pid
firefox $url &
screengrab_when_appropriate &
wait
kill -ALRM $pid

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[erik quanstrom]

> 1. Is it possible to do command line edit in rc?
> That is, in bash, both emacs and vi like keybindings can be used
> (thanks to readline library).  But in rc, I have not noticed that yet.
>  As a result, some basic usuages of a shell, such as recalling the
> previously executed commands, have to be done by mouse (snarf and
> paste).

command line editing is provided by acme in the case of win, or
rio(1) directly.  not hold mode entered by typing .

> 2. In non-interactive use (script programming), what's the main
> advantages of rc over sh/bash?

tom duff's original paper is in /sys/doc/rc.ps.  i don't think i can
make a better argument for rc than that.  personally, i think the
regularized grammer and quoting pay big dividends.  rc is also
small.  it's not hard to understand the virtual machine its built
around.  but you'll need to decide for your self.

- erik

Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[Hongzheng Wang]

Hi,

Because I can almost always find some new and interesting things in
Plan9's equivalent implements, eg the unicode support of Plan9's troff
and Sam's structural regexp, I think there may be such things in rc.
Further, I think every system has its own idioms and habits and users
must know them to make full use of it.  But, frankly, I have not
discovered the outstanding features of rc.  So I post the previous
question and hope to learn them, which perhaps are not well documented
usually.

Well, such a post may disturb you.  I'm sorry for that.

On Feb 9, 2008 4:01 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Groundhog day
>
> I like new users I really do but this is getting silly
>
> try reading the archives from LAST WEEK !
>
> "what are the main benefits of your system over the ones you don't use"
> is harder to answer
>
>
>



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Re: [9fans] How to move to rc from sh/bash

[mattmobile]

Groundhog day

I like new users I really do but this is getting silly

try reading the archives from LAST WEEK !

"what are the main benefits of your system over the ones you don't use" 
is harder to answer