Re: [A51] Table distribution
If it was to be uploaded, I suggest Usenet servers where the retention is massive and anonymous On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lubomir Schmidt wrote: > And in germany i could get 2tb discs for about 122USD(94,50€) and an > external case for about 10USD > > Should we not just make torrents? I could upload at the moment with > ~100mbit. That would be the much cheaper and easy way. > > 2010/7/24 GeleGrodan : >> Those 2TB disks you speak of, are they internal or external? >> >> If you speak about external, I guess the price isnt better over here in >> Sweden: >> >> External 2TB - ca 182USD >> Internal 2TB - ca 142USD >> External case - 41USD (USB 2.0/eSATA) >> >> +Shipping >> >> Dont know what the shipping costs, what do you pay Peter? >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 20:54, Peter Stuge wrote: >>> >>> Frank A. Stevenson wrote: >>> > I have gotten several requests for having disks shipped, payed for >>> > with PayPal. I am not sure I really trust this company to not >>> > freeze the accounts if someone complains >>> >>> I think that's wise. >>> >>> >>> > "ext3 preformatted 2TB disks." I should be able to deliver these at >>> > cost for ~250 USD, this includes Norwegian sales tax (25%) which I >>> > haven't found a way to defray. But perhaps someone on the list could >>> > do better than this and set up shop in a country where overall costs >>> > are lower? >>> >>> Since Norway is outside the EU you'll mostly be exporting, and >>> shouldn't charge sales tax. Buyers will likely have to pay import >>> duties. >>> >>> >>> > And ideally, quality packaging materials are readily available :-) >>> > (We have already suffer 1 unfortunate disk crash) >>> >>> Suggest ship out by courier (I like UPS) and for packaging materials >>> see if the store can ship to you (or whoever does this) with some >>> extra packaging. >>> >>> >>> //Peter >>> ___ >>> A51 mailing list >>> A51@lists.reflextor.com >>> http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 >> >> >> ___ >> A51 mailing list >> A51@lists.reflextor.com >> http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 >> >> > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Table distribution
And in germany i could get 2tb discs for about 122USD(94,50€) and an external case for about 10USD Should we not just make torrents? I could upload at the moment with ~100mbit. That would be the much cheaper and easy way. 2010/7/24 GeleGrodan : > Those 2TB disks you speak of, are they internal or external? > > If you speak about external, I guess the price isnt better over here in > Sweden: > > External 2TB - ca 182USD > Internal 2TB - ca 142USD > External case - 41USD (USB 2.0/eSATA) > > +Shipping > > Dont know what the shipping costs, what do you pay Peter? > > > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 20:54, Peter Stuge wrote: >> >> Frank A. Stevenson wrote: >> > I have gotten several requests for having disks shipped, payed for >> > with PayPal. I am not sure I really trust this company to not >> > freeze the accounts if someone complains >> >> I think that's wise. >> >> >> > "ext3 preformatted 2TB disks." I should be able to deliver these at >> > cost for ~250 USD, this includes Norwegian sales tax (25%) which I >> > haven't found a way to defray. But perhaps someone on the list could >> > do better than this and set up shop in a country where overall costs >> > are lower? >> >> Since Norway is outside the EU you'll mostly be exporting, and >> shouldn't charge sales tax. Buyers will likely have to pay import >> duties. >> >> >> > And ideally, quality packaging materials are readily available :-) >> > (We have already suffer 1 unfortunate disk crash) >> >> Suggest ship out by courier (I like UPS) and for packaging materials >> see if the store can ship to you (or whoever does this) with some >> extra packaging. >> >> >> //Peter >> ___ >> A51 mailing list >> A51@lists.reflextor.com >> http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > > > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > > ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
[A51] Tableformat and Kraken
I have a set of the Berlin Tables in the Distributed Format. Every Table folder contains: (sorted.end.tbl, sorted.index, sorted.start.tbl, sorted.table). I played around with the TableConvert Utility, but my Tables are not accepted. How do I convert them ? thxs ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Table distribution
Those 2TB disks you speak of, are they internal or external? If you speak about external, I guess the price isnt better over here in Sweden: External 2TB - ca 182USD Internal 2TB - ca 142USD External case - 41USD (USB 2.0/eSATA) +Shipping Dont know what the shipping costs, what do you pay Peter? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 20:54, Peter Stuge wrote: > Frank A. Stevenson wrote: > > I have gotten several requests for having disks shipped, payed for > > with PayPal. I am not sure I really trust this company to not > > freeze the accounts if someone complains > > I think that's wise. > > > > "ext3 preformatted 2TB disks." I should be able to deliver these at > > cost for ~250 USD, this includes Norwegian sales tax (25%) which I > > haven't found a way to defray. But perhaps someone on the list could > > do better than this and set up shop in a country where overall costs > > are lower? > > Since Norway is outside the EU you'll mostly be exporting, and > shouldn't charge sales tax. Buyers will likely have to pay import > duties. > > > > And ideally, quality packaging materials are readily available :-) > > (We have already suffer 1 unfortunate disk crash) > > Suggest ship out by courier (I like UPS) and for packaging materials > see if the store can ship to you (or whoever does this) with some > extra packaging. > > > //Peter > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Yeah, technically someone with a USRP could seed a 20 minute airwave dump, and you could replay it into whatever software you were using, but again, it wouldn't be as fun.. Not sure about the legal implication either :S This is what the guys at THC did tho back in 2008 I believe... On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Clemens Gruber wrote: > > How do you want people to contribute code to the airprobe project > > if they have not enough money to buy a USRP? > > It is quite possible even without hardware to test on. It's just not > as rewarding. > > > //Peter > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > -- Cal Leeming Operational Security & Support Team *Out of Hours: *+44 (07534) 971120 | *Support Tickets: * supp...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk *Fax: *+44 (02476) 578987 | *Email: *cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Simplicity Media Ltd. All rights reserved. Registered company number 7143564 ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Clemens Gruber wrote: > How do you want people to contribute code to the airprobe project > if they have not enough money to buy a USRP? It is quite possible even without hardware to test on. It's just not as rewarding. //Peter ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 20:29 +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: > Affordable hardware options mean more people are likely to get > involved with open source GSM development in general. True for > every other hardware-related open source project I've seen.. > > > > Please focus your scarce resources where it is really needed... > > Yeah. The focus isn't on PCBs. As you say, this is a software > intensive area, the required hardware is "simple". > > Hardware in hand of course does not bring any software, but already > thinking about that hardware helps identify what software to focus > on, and next step, hardware availability helps people get involved. Exactly, the point is.. there are many students (like me) and other possible contributors out there who are not able to spend 1000 US Dollars for buying a USRP1+Daughterboards+Antenna + UPS to Europe (delivery itself is about 100USD + taxes?) So the benefit of new hardware would definitely be that much more people would buy this diy-pcb + components, solder it themselves and are then able to contribute software to the project without having spent 1000$. How do you want people to contribute code to the airprobe project if they have not enough money to buy a USRP? A downlink "module" would be sufficient for the beginning, a "uplink module" could follow if needed. But at first a less expensive rx-module, designed especially for receiving gsm signals, could help the project to rapidly get more contributors. Btw. I wouldn't say that the hardware is "that" simple, as Harald Welte stated, professional measurement equipment is necessary, all guys at university may be able to use stuff from the faculty, but it may still be very hard to coordinate such a project just over the net/mailinglist. ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Table distribution
Frank A. Stevenson wrote: > I have gotten several requests for having disks shipped, payed for > with PayPal. I am not sure I really trust this company to not > freeze the accounts if someone complains I think that's wise. > "ext3 preformatted 2TB disks." I should be able to deliver these at > cost for ~250 USD, this includes Norwegian sales tax (25%) which I > haven't found a way to defray. But perhaps someone on the list could > do better than this and set up shop in a country where overall costs > are lower? Since Norway is outside the EU you'll mostly be exporting, and shouldn't charge sales tax. Buyers will likely have to pay import duties. > And ideally, quality packaging materials are readily available :-) > (We have already suffer 1 unfortunate disk crash) Suggest ship out by courier (I like UPS) and for packaging materials see if the store can ship to you (or whoever does this) with some extra packaging. //Peter ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
> As mentionned OpenBTS laurent's decomposition demod seems to be way > better than the current one (from the limited testing I did). Another > benefit is that you can exploit CUDA _a_lot_ for the first stage of a > multi ARFCN receiver. (when you do the math you'll see that things fit > together nicely and you end up with a bunch of complex MACs and at the > output you have N channels of I/Q samples pre-multiplied for > laurent's). i am currently implementing a freq_xlating_fir_filter_ccf and a fractional_interpolator_cc in cuda. next would be the viterbi decoder. is this not the optimal algorithm to implement? ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Harald Welte wrote: > what is wrong with you (sorry)? No need to apologize, I think you make a very good point. > The problem with regard to practical GSM A5 cracking is not that > hardware is too expensive or that you need to do your own custom > hardware. > > The problem is that everybody wants a solution / software / ... but > very few people actually are willing to put in the required time, > sit down, get their hands dirty and make it work. I think that there's a lot of excitement because Enemy-of-the-State-like call interception seems to be at the fingertips of the masses, but for most people that would like to try it out, the hardware setup is prohibitively expensive - leading to more or less accurate brainstorming for cheaper solutions. The tradeoff between spending development time on hardware and spending money on USRP is easy with goals such as demonstrating A5/1 brokenness or creating open source GSM software, however not so easy for individuals with anything less than a very strong interest. OsmocomBB is a fantastic development, making consumer electronics usable for open source GSM development and experiments. But it seems to me that it might be(come) difficult to source the relevant hardware which is also problematic, just in another way, for everyone but core contributors. > The state of airprobe's various receivers (tvoid, gsmsp, gsm-receiver) has > only improved marginally throughout the last years. Even today, they are > nothing more than a proof of concept. They're far from what somebody would > want to do actual real-world intercept. They don't even support the various > GSM channel types, they don't contain the neccessarry frequency / gain control > loops for long-time reception, ... > > This has all been clear for years. Work in this area is completely unrelated > to the actual A5/1 cracking and the rainbow tables. There was no dependency > on the rainbow tables needing to be completed before work on the airprobe > receiver code could have been done. That's certainly true. However, without the clear utility for a work, many find it difficult to motivate themselves to produce it. Baby steps basically. But since something very exciting is just around a corner, many are quite eager and want to rush.. > During the same timeframe, a really great Free Software GSM receiver > implementation has been released publicly: That of OpenBTS. Yes! I agree completely. And if there should be any open GSM hardware then I think it must optimize for, and work closely together with OpenBTS. I've spent the last few days reading up and am awed by their progress. > Yet, nobody has lifted a finger and transformed that implementation > (and its contained laurent approximation based demodulation code) > into a new airprobe receiver. I think many if not most have overlooked the significance of airprobe. I certainly have. > But whether you use a USRP2, a USD 20,000 military SDR or a small > custom cheap board will not change the fact that somebody still > needs to write good demodulaton/decoding software. And/or hardware. I think OpenBTS and OsmocomBB are two amazing sources of code, and there is clearly overlap among them and airprobe - or at least there should be! I'm pretty sure that it'd make sense to move some things which are already finished or at least in good condition in both projects into hardware. > And any work spent on new hardware development is not going to > bring any progress to the project. Affordable hardware options mean more people are likely to get involved with open source GSM development in general. True for every other hardware-related open source project I've seen.. > Please focus your scarce resources where it is really needed... Yeah. The focus isn't on PCBs. As you say, this is a software intensive area, the required hardware is "simple". Hardware in hand of course does not bring any software, but already thinking about that hardware helps identify what software to focus on, and next step, hardware availability helps people get involved. //Peter ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
> But whether you use a USRP2, a USD 20,000 military SDR or a small custom > cheap board will not change the fact that somebody still needs to write good > demodulaton/decoding software. And any work spent on new hardware development > is not going to bring any progress to the project. That's the point I was trying to raise when I suggested that efforts would be better spend exploiting to the full extend the HW we have rather than building new one. A single USRP with 2 db should be able to capture at least 3 MHz of uplink and downlink synchronized. If the ARFCN of your hopping sequence fit into those 3 MHz, then you're good. As mentionned OpenBTS laurent's decomposition demod seems to be way better than the current one (from the limited testing I did). Another benefit is that you can exploit CUDA _a_lot_ for the first stage of a multi ARFCN receiver. (when you do the math you'll see that things fit together nicely and you end up with a bunch of complex MACs and at the output you have N channels of I/Q samples pre-multiplied for laurent's). But yeah ... need time to implement all that :( > Next problem is: If you ever want to tune into the uplink, you need custom > hardware as the filters for the frequencies are reversed. Plus, it is > impossible > to find any SAW filters for the reverse bands in the same or similar > mechanical > dimensions - not even speaking of the same impedance and > balanced/unbalanced-ness > as needed. Thus, it is impossible to simply replace the filters on existing > hardware. Well, on that point I don't agree ... 1) You can just ignore the filter: Works fine as long as the handset is close enough, or if you're using a good antenna. Those filter are just not that good. 2) You can do it 'brutally' and put a pre-amp in front of the antenna. Definitely not the cleanest solution but it'll work. And if you want to bring the uplink and the downlink 'in the same ballpark', just add a filter to attenuate downlink as well. 3) There are simple SMD 'baluns' that will convert the unbalanced 50ohm to balanced 50ohm with a pinout close enough that soldering them in place of the other could works. They (that one I haven't tried yet, but I'll order a couple and see what I can work out when I have some spare time) The hardware is definitely limited but for demonstration purposes it can do the trick IMHO. Workaround 1 is good for that use-case. Workaround 2 is an option if you already have the parts laying around from other GSM experiments. The option 3 ... well not tested yet so can't really say anything. OTOH, as you said creating a brand new board based on those chips would be a loss of time. Cheers, Sylvain ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 01:26:31AM +0100, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: > Besides, you gotta remember, that the USRP is a very expensive piece of kit, > and just having one might not be enough depending on what you need it for. > See Sylvain's earlier post reply for a good explaination about this. > > Personally, I think it would be a really cool idea to start up work shops > which would look primarily at extracting the transceivers out of > cheap/unwanted handsets, and putting them to a good use. It would certainly > be a lot more fun than just paying for the hardware :) Well, you can try to look at the work that we've been doing as part of OsmocomBB (http://bb.osmocom.org/). We've done all the code you need to drive the transceiver of the TI Calypso chipset (TRF6151 / Rita), the analog baseband (TWL3025 / Iota) and the digital baseband (Calypso / HERCROM400G2). Next problem is: If you ever want to tune into the uplink, you need custom hardware as the filters for the frequencies are reversed. Plus, it is impossible to find any SAW filters for the reverse bands in the same or similar mechanical dimensions - not even speaking of the same impedance and balanced/unbalanced-ness as needed. Thus, it is impossible to simply replace the filters on existing hardware. More modern GSM phone designs use a 'frontend module', i.e. an integrated component that contains the RF transceiver, the filters and often also the PA. In such a module, you simply cannot change the filter characteristics anymore. Also, I would not waste time at developing your own hardware based on an old / end-of-life RF transceiver. Don't underestimate the time you will have to spend on doing analog RF design at frequencies that come close to 2GHz. Without the proper skills/experience and particularly measurement equipment, you will not be able to design something that will be close to the performance of a commercial handset. I've analyzed this long enough and I think it's simply not worth putting so much time and effort into something that inevitably only very few people will show an interest in. Regards, Harald. -- - Harald Weltehttp://laforge.gnumonks.org/ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Guys, what is wrong with you (sorry)? I've been doing software development related to GSM for quite some time now, have contributed to airprobe and am now mostly working on OpenBSC and OsmocomBB. The problem with regard to practical GSM A5 cracking is not that hardware is too expensive or that you need to do your own custom hardware. The problem is that everybody wants a solution / software / ... but very few people actually are willing to put in the required time, sit down, get their hands dirty and make it work. The state of airprobe's various receivers (tvoid, gsmsp, gsm-receiver) has only improved marginally throughout the last years. Even today, they are nothing more than a proof of concept. They're far from what somebody would want to do actual real-world intercept. They don't even support the various GSM channel types, they don't contain the neccessarry frequency / gain control loops for long-time reception, ... This has all been clear for years. Work in this area is completely unrelated to the actual A5/1 cracking and the rainbow tables. There was no dependency on the rainbow tables needing to be completed before work on the airprobe receiver code could have been done. During the same timeframe, a really great Free Software GSM receiver implementation has been released publicly: That of OpenBTS. Yet, nobody has lifted a finger and transformed that implementation (and its contained laurent approximation based demodulation code) into a new airprobe receiver. Piotr is one of the few guys who actually contributed, and I'd like to express my gratitude for his work. But whether you use a USRP2, a USD 20,000 military SDR or a small custom cheap board will not change the fact that somebody still needs to write good demodulaton/decoding software. And any work spent on new hardware development is not going to bring any progress to the project. Please focus your scarce resources where it is really needed... -- - Harald Weltehttp://laforge.gnumonks.org/ "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option." (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Yes, it's not about rushing to buy big and expensive hardware, it's about rather building something minimal and less expensive, than buying two ursp's. We would only have to plan and produce the pcb's altogether. Maybe the ordering of the components could also be done together for getting a better price, but that's not absolutely necessary. Especially for people from Europe ( particularly students ;) ), the USRP is a little bit too expensive (in my opinion). What do you think? On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:14 +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: > Sylvain Munaut wrote: > > Seems to me that suddenly everybody is rushing to buy big and > > expensive hardware > > This is getting a little off-topic, but I would instead build > something minimal from scratch. > > > //Peter > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
Sylvain Munaut wrote: > Seems to me that suddenly everybody is rushing to buy big and > expensive hardware This is getting a little off-topic, but I would instead build something minimal from scratch. //Peter ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
I think this is one of those subjects which could be debated over and over, but really only practical tests will ever provide real proof that a method does or doesn't work. Yes, it would take a considerable amount of time, but you also have to factor in the amount of knowledge you would gain by effectively building your own hardware to replace that of the USRP. Obviously, using old hardware would probably limit you to only a few channels at a time, but at the same time, if you wanted to watch the whole GSM spectrum, you'd need more than just a single USRP, and that's when it starts getting expensive! Sometimes, these projects aren't just about the end goal, but also how much fun you have and what you learn along the way, you know? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Sylvain Munaut <246...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with Peter. It is completely useless to waste time on old > hardware. > > But it'd make for dead cheap sniffer ... > > > There are many groups that try that without success, as each hardware was > > done with physical limitations. > > Really ? do you have any specific examples of failed attempt and their > reason ? > > > > What i consider, is to contact Ettus people and ask them to prepare a new > > device with more Mhz of bandwith. (maybe we could join interested people > > here to setup an initial multi-group list order). > > Just my 2cent but before building better hardware, maybe it'd be > useful to just exploit the one we have. AFAICT airprobe isn't exactly > very advanced yet ... > > Seems to me that suddenly everybody is rushing to buy big and > expensive hardware > > > Cheers, > >Sylvain > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > -- Cal Leeming Operational Security & Support Team *Out of Hours: *+44 (07534) 971120 | *Support Tickets: * supp...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk *Fax: *+44 (02476) 578987 | *Email: *cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk Simplicity Media Ltd. All rights reserved. Registered company number 7143564 ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] Reporting in..
> I agree with Peter. It is completely useless to waste time on old hardware. But it'd make for dead cheap sniffer ... > There are many groups that try that without success, as each hardware was > done with physical limitations. Really ? do you have any specific examples of failed attempt and their reason ? > What i consider, is to contact Ettus people and ask them to prepare a new > device with more Mhz of bandwith. (maybe we could join interested people > here to setup an initial multi-group list order). Just my 2cent but before building better hardware, maybe it'd be useful to just exploit the one we have. AFAICT airprobe isn't exactly very advanced yet ... Seems to me that suddenly everybody is rushing to buy big and expensive hardware Cheers, Sylvain ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
[A51] Kraken now on GPU
I just finished a major overhaul of the ATI shared library, and Kraken is now able to take advantage of the speed that is offered by the GPU. The work is not finished yet, as I want to further reduce latency by cracking several bursts in parallel, this will better utilize the GPU pipeline. At any rate I have it to the point where disk IO is the bottleneck, and to my dismay I discovered that 2 of my disks were much slower than the others, and a job will only go as fast as the slowest disk allows for. It could be the motherboard / controller, or the disks themselves. I need to investigate. Kraken will only load the ATI shared library if it is present, so A5Ati.so will have to be placed manually in the working directory (same as kraken) and work will automatically offloaded to the GPU. The final keysearch is still done on the CPU, but this is limited to just 1 round of the rainbow table, the GPU handles the rest. As for distribution of the tables, I have gotten several requests for having disks shipped, payed for with PayPal. I am not sure I really trust this company to not freeze the accounts if someone complains about the contents of "ext3 preformatted 2TB disks." I should be able to deliver these at cost for ~250 USD, this includes Norwegian sales tax (25%) which I haven't found a way to defray. But perhaps someone on the list could do better than this and set up shop in a country where overall costs are lower? And ideally, quality packaging materials are readily available :-) (We have already suffer 1 unfortunate disk crash) Frank ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
Re: [A51] A51 Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13
@Javier from where I can find find this Asiacrypt paper On 7/24/10, a51-requ...@lists.reflextor.com wrote: > Send A51 mailing list submissions to > a51@lists.reflextor.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > a51-requ...@lists.reflextor.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > a51-ow...@lists.reflextor.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of A51 digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Reporting in.. (Peter Stuge) >2. Re: Reporting in.. (javier falbo) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:26:32 +0200 > From: Peter Stuge > Subject: Re: [A51] Reporting in.. > To: a51@lists.reflextor.com > Message-ID: <20100724042632.25318.qm...@stuge.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >> Personally, I think it would be a really cool idea to start up work >> shops which would look primarily at extracting the transceivers out >> of cheap/unwanted handsets, and putting them to a good use. It >> would certainly be a lot more fun than just paying for the hardware >> :) > > Sorry to ruin the fun, but I am more than certain that the reverse > engineering effort required per handset platform and the fairly high > integration level of handsets make that a much too inefficient > option. > > > //Peter > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:47:03 + > From: javier falbo > Subject: Re: [A51] Reporting in.. > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I agree with Peter. It is completely useless to waste time on old hardware. > There are many groups that try that without success, as each hardware was > done with physical limitations. > > What i consider, is to contact Ettus people and ask them to prepare a new > device with more Mhz of bandwith. (maybe we could join interested people > here to setup an initial multi-group list order). > > In order to monitor more data channel simultaneosly, and prepare the next > step which is the 3g (kasumi), which is not so difficult as the algorythm > could be decoded very fast with last Asiacrypt paper. > > Javier > >> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:26:32 +0200 >> From: pe...@stuge.se >> To: a51@lists.reflextor.com >> Subject: Re: [A51] Reporting in.. >> >> Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: >> > Personally, I think it would be a really cool idea to start up work >> > shops which would look primarily at extracting the transceivers out >> > of cheap/unwanted handsets, and putting them to a good use. It >> > would certainly be a lot more fun than just paying for the hardware >> > :) >> >> Sorry to ruin the fun, but I am more than certain that the reverse >> engineering effort required per handset platform and the fairly high >> integration level of handsets make that a much too inefficient >> option. >> >> >> //Peter >> ___ >> A51 mailing list >> A51@lists.reflextor.com >> http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > > _ > Preparate para un nuevo Hotmail con mucho m?s de lo que tu vida necesita. > Ver m?s > http://www.nuevohotmail.com > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/pipermail/a51/attachments/20100724/fd2c5c5b/attachment.html > > -- > > ___ > A51 mailing list > A51@lists.reflextor.com > http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51 > > > End of A51 Digest, Vol 14, Issue 13 > *** > -- Thanks. ___ A51 mailing list A51@lists.reflextor.com http://lists.lists.reflextor.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/a51
