RE: [abcusers] Distributing DLLs
On Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:11 AM, Laurie Griffiths [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: John Atchley said "...Finally, it really is necessary to deliver DLLs with most windows applications" DLLs yes, but Windows System DLLs? (But this is getting off topic). Laurie Depends on what you consider a "windows system DLL." It is very often necessary to deliver the Microsoft DLLs for many "stock" controls because these are delivered with development languages and with applications that use them but *not* with the basic windows system. The common dialogs control (ocx) is a good example. This will almost always be on users machines because so many applications use it. However, you can't rely on that because it is not part of the OEM windoze distribution. Therefore, if your application is installed on a "clean" machine and you don't install the ocx, your application will bomb out with errors and your users will lose confidence in you quite rapidly. It may be off topic but seeing as how we have several people on this list delivering abc software on the windoze platform it's not really *that* far off topic...;-) John Atchley To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Distributing DLLs
"jc" == jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jc Not sure I'd agree that it's off-topic. This is the "ABC users" list, jc i.e., it's about a specific computerized music notation. Discussing jc how to get software properly installed on users' machines strikes me jc as highly relevant to such a list. In my experience, the difficulty jc of installing the software and getting it to run sensibly is one of jc the major hurdles that prevents a lot of my friends from using ABC. jc Anyone else have feelings or argument pro or con such topics? I agree that installation is an important part of software development. Ideally, this would be an ABC *users* mailing list, and there would be another list for developers. Right now, I think most of the people on this list are in fact either developers in some sense or at least highly interested in contributing to the development process, so it probably isn't as off topic as it ought to be. If anyone does ever want to get back to a developers/users split, I've set up an abc-discuss list at the sourceforge home page (https://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=6137) that could be used for one of them. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org ) (Note the email and homepage address changes; please update your address book, bookmarks, and links.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] New Orleans Jazz
Atte Andr=E9 Jensen writes: | Y'know, I've gotten a number of email messages from jazz musicians | wondering the same thing. ... | | And one of them is me! What stalled me is the issue of copyright. I would | not have an official collection of abc's on my sitespace without that in | place.=20 My experience so far says that this may not be that big a deal. Make sure that your main page has a notice to the effect that you aren't sure of the copyright status of a lot of the tunes, and anyone who knows should send you email. Also say that if a tune's rightful owner objects to it being there, you will remove it and replace it with a copyright notice. And, most important, say that an alternative is to add a copyright notice, email address and URL to the ABC headers if they prefer. In my various email contacts with tune writers, so far I've had only one who didn't want their tune in ABC on my site. What typically happens is that they don't have a clue about ABC. So I send them my brief intro, and also a copy of their tune in ABC. I ask them to edit it, and to suggest the copyright notice, email address and URL they'd like to see in it. They invariably send it back with this information. I think that most people realize pretty quickly that the ABC file is not really much of a competition for a printed copy, and is no competition at all for any recordings. They also realize that having their email address and URL in the file is free advertising. It is that, but it's also attribution that I like to see in all my ABC files. I'd bet that the composers of jazz tunes will mostly respond the same way. Be prepared to send them a brief intro to ABC. I have a couple at: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ You can copy them, and modify them however you like, maybe with one of the jazz standards as the example. Chances are that you'll also be asked to remove one or two tunes, but if you're prepared for that and have a friendly notice to that effect, you probably don't have any real legal worries. And the few who don't give you permission are probably hurting their own pocketbooks. I've received a fair number of requests for printed copies of the tunes in my collection. I'd guess that Henrik and Richard and the owners of other large ABC sites also get such requests. So far, I've said "No" and referred people to some of the music publishers and book sellers. Ultimately, online stuff doesn't really hurt sales of printed copies, because books are just too convenient (as long as they open flat on a music stand ;-). The main thing that online archives do is make it easier for people to find what they want. A guaranteed reaction to finding tunes online is "I like these tunes; where can I find more like them?" If there are links that lead to the printed copies of tune collections, they will also lead to sales. You want to educate the publishers to this, as subtly as you can. So my advice is to put what you have online now. And send me the URL. Or post it to this list and any other relevant lists that you know of, with maybe a hint that you'd like to find others to help with the online jazz fake-book project. And collect URLs for online sellers of the printed fakebooks. If they give you any hassle, just let them know that if you can't include a few of their tunes, you will also remove the link to their site. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
S=F8ren writes: | | I have about 450 Musicator-files (.mct) with scandinavian folktunes which= | I | would like to convert to abc-format for web-distribution. They are | currently distributed as GIF-files (check: | http://www.folketshus.dk/folketshus/spillefolk/noder.html) which are OK f= | or | screen-presentation, but to lousy and unpractical for print, I think. | | Conversion via MIDI is very tidy (means not practical possible) since all | notation layout is lost. | | Does anyone know about conversion-tools - or does anyone know about | Musicator-file-format ? Got a pointer to a spec? If Musicator files are text files, it's likely that I or someone else could grind out a perl program to chew it up and spit out ABC. It would also be helpful if you could give a URL for a directory of files in Musicator format. Then we could look them over and decide whether we want to tackle the translation. (Or maybe I could use this as the excuse I've been looking for to get some more experience with python. ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
Søren R Christensen wrote: Hi everyone! I have about 450 Musicator-files (.mct) with scandinavian folktunes which I would like to convert to abc-format for web-distribution. They are currently distributed as GIF-files (check: http://www.folketshus.dk/folketshus/spillefolk/noder.html) which are OK for screen-presentation, but to lousy and unpractical for print, I think. Wow! You've really done a great job there! There are lots of websites with music in GIF format, and it seems to work well most of the time - at least when the graphics are as clear as this. But of course you can't get high resolution prints that way. Conversion via MIDI is very tidy (means not practical possible) since all notation layout is lost. That's not an abc specific problem. I've yet to come across any music notation converter that keeps all formatting. I found a really obscure polka from a really obscure village (where I happen to work) on your site and tried to run it through macmidi2abc. Here's the result: --- % input file pk-saltdal.mid % format 1 file 2 tracks X: 1 T: M: 1/4 L: 1/16 Q:1/4=55 K:G % 1 sharps %Polka fra Saltdal % Time signature=2/4 MIDI-clocks/click=24 32nd-notes/24-MIDI-clocks=8 V:1 %New Midi % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=2 minor=0 z4|z4|Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge ^cB| Aa ^g/2a/2^g/2a/2|fd/2d/2 dd|Af/2f/2 f=g|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge B^c| dd/2d/2 dd|d4|Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge ^cB| Aa ^g/2a/2^g/2a/2|fd/2d/2 dd|Af/2f/2 f=g|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge B^c| dd/2d/2 dd| % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=1 minor=0 dB =c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 AB|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2| ed dc|BB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 g2|ff/2f/2 fe|dd ef| g/2a/2g/2f/2 g/2a/2g/2f/2|gB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 AB|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2| ed dc|BB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 g2|ff/2f/2 fe|dd ef| g/2a/2g/2f/2 g/2a/2g/2f/2|g4| --- After some editing I got this: --- X:1 T:Polka fra Saltdal C:trad. O:Norway A:Saltdal, Nordland M:2/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:D Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|\ ef ga|ge ^cB|Aa ^g/a/^g/a/|fd/d/ dd| Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|\ ef ga|ge B^c|dd/d/ dd|[1d4:|\ K:G [2dB c^c| dB GB|dB GB|ed cB|A2 AB|\ c/A/F/A/ c/A/F/A/|c/A/F/A/ c/A/F/A/|ed dc|BB c^c| dB GB|dB GB|ed cB|A2 g2|\ ff/f/ fe|dd ef|g/a/g/f/ g/a/g/f/|[1gB c^c:|[2g4|] --- This is really good ABC, but the work took me almost five minutes. Writing the file manually would probably have been faster. By the way, here's a string quartet/orchestra arrangement a friend of mine wrote a couple of years ago. It's really nice, though I'll have to ask her if there is some reason for that strange ending. The superfluous naturals towards the end isn't her fault, though. I had to add them because of a playback bug in BarFly. Frank Nordberg --- X:433 T:Polka fra Saltdal C:trad., arr. Kjersti Nilsen (1992) O:Norway A:Saltdal V:1 Program 1 110 %Fiddle V:2 Program 2 40 %Violin V:3 Program 3 41 %Viola V:4 Program 4 42 bass %Cello %The original arrangement was for three violins and a cello (or string orchestra) %Combining four different string instruments works better for a midi file, though. Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com %Formatted for BarFly M:2/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:D V:1 "_f"vAf/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2| V:2 "_f"vAd/d/ de|d2d2|Ad/d/ de|d2d2| V:3 "_f"vD2 D2|DD/D/ D2|D2D2|AA/A/ A2| V:4 "_f"vD,2 D,2|D,D,/E,/ D,2|D,2 D,2|F,F,/G,/ F,2| % V:1 ef ga|ge cB|Aa ^g/a/^g/a/|fd/d/ udud| V:2 cd cd|ec AG|Fd d/d/d/d/|dd/d/ udud| V:3 A2 AA|AA/A/ AA|A2 A2|A2 DD/D/| V:4 E,2 E,F,|E,E,/E,/ E,E,|F,2 F,2|F,2 D,D,/D,/| % V:1 Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2| V:2 Ad/d/ de|d2d2|Ad/d/ de|d2 f2| V:3 D2 D2|DD/D/ D2|D2 D2|DD/D/ A2| V:4 D,2 D,2|D,D,/E,/ D,2|D,2 D,2|A,2 uB,uA,| % V:1 ef ga|ge Bc|dd/d/ udud|[1d4:|\ K:G [2d"_mp"B =c^c| V:2 K:D e2 ef|eB AG|FF/F/ GG|[1F4:|\ K:G [2F2 z2| V:3 K:D G2 A2|G2 A2|A2 B2|[1A2 A2:|\ K:G [2A2 z2| V:4 K:D G,2 A,2|B,G, F,E,|D,2 D,D,/D,/|[1D,2D,2:|\ K:G [2D,2 z2| % V:1 |:dB GB|dB GB|ed =cB|A2 uAuB| V:2 |:"_mp"vG2 GD|B,D GD|B,2 ED|=C2 E2| V:3 |:"_mp"vB4|B4|B4|A4| V:4 |:"_mp"vG,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|A,,2 =C,2| % V:1 =c/A/F/A/ =c/A/"_cresc."F/A/|=c/A/F/A/ =c/A/F/A/|"_mf"ed d=c|"_mp"BB =c^c| V:2 D2 A"_cresc."F|DF A2|"_mf"=cB BA|G2 z2| V:3 A4|"_cresc."A4|"_mf"G2 F2|G2 z2| V:4 D,4|"_cresc."D,4|"_mf"=C,2 D,2|G,,2 z2| % V:1 dB GB|dB GB|ed =cB|A2 "_f"g2| V:2 "_mp"vG2 GD|B,D GD|B,2 ED|=C2 "_f"E2| V:3 "_mp"vB4|B4|B4|A4| V:4 "_mp"vG,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|A,,2 "_f"A,,2| % V:1 ff/f/ ufue|dd ef|g/a/g/f/ g/a/g/f/|[1g"_mp"B =c^c:|[2g4|] V:2 DD/D/ uDuE|FF ED|=CE DF|[1G2 z2:|[2G4|] V:3 "_f"D2 DD/D/|D2 DD/D/|E2 D2|[1D2 z2:|[2D2D2|] V:4 D,2 D,2|D,2 D,2|E,2 D,2|[1D,2 z2:|[2D,2 D,2|] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Change of e-mail address to davidale6@hotmail.com
n Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Bob Archer wrote: Just to try and head off any further responses to this, this is an automated ad for MSN Explorer. See the following sites for more information: http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/27/1438212.shtml http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0%2C4586%2C2633574%2C00.html Bob And I thought I was making a big jump when I switched from mail to pine Sigh... Toby A. Rider - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Administrator - Unix Magnet Interactive - http://www.magnet.com 10950 Washington Blvd., Studio A Culver City, CA. 90232 "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." -- Confucius To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Distributing DLLs
To the best of my knowledge, a Fake-Book shows the tune's melody line and chords, usually given in standard dots-on-a-staff notation. This is enough information for a musician with practice at this to "fake it", that is, to play the tune with some spur-of-the-moment harmonization or accompaniment. It's also useful for those who are mainly interested in the melody line. Any fake book bears a remarkable resemblance to, say, O'Neills or Carolan! (the irtrad stuff may not have chords, but those who wrote the music down expected their readers to know what to do with a melody line!). ABC would work wonderfully for a Fake-Book. I think. Elizabeth Naime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Distributing DLLs
I agree that installation is an important part of software development. Ideally, this would be an ABC *users* mailing list... Well, users oughta get to grumble about what developers give them. My pet hate is excessive automation. I DO NOT want the process of installing system-critical software gizmos buried in an unreadable script. Apple goes completely over the top with this one, as their installers use compiled forward-chaining rule networks to decide what to put where; those are almost impossible to debug even if you can see the source code (which you can't without a special development kit), and Apple's tend to fail to either extreme, installing every- thing available or giving up and installing nothing. I've never seen a makefile for a large piece of Unix software that actually worked to spec without tweaking, either. Give me the files you want in a folder, with a README saying where you want them to go and what they do, and I'll put them there myself. *If* I can assure myself they aren't going to step on something I've already got. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
