Re:[abcusers] suggestions for [A4A2] notation
Starling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Toni Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Question: applies the n to all notes in the chord as a multiplier or : only to those which have no length modifier? Guh, definitely not a multiplier. Until now I prefered multiplier because I could not see a solution for the chord-melodylength problem. But this seems to be on the way now. n: WithoutAs Multiplier As Default length [A,2C2E2A3e3] [A,CEA3/2e3/2]2[A,CEA3e3]2 Now I would say default length. Toni To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Valid fractions
Starling wrote: Is A3/2 even a valid note length currently? If we accepted the [...]n notation as specifying a multiplier we would also have to add complicated fractions to valid note lengths. Of course it's valid! It's your typical dotted 8th note, though I mostly write it as A3/, e.g.: L:1/8 A3/B//c// d2 Fractions could get complicated anyway, depending on how you set the L: field. Why not L:1/1 ? It's legal. Or why not L:11/17 ? It's legal and the only thing you have to beware of is that you set the length correctly for each note. Maybe we should have an obfuscated abc competition... Of course L:11/17 is ridiculous, but someone could for example decide to use L:3/8 which could maybe make sense in some tunes. Henrik Norbeck, Stockholm, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/ My home page http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abcmus/ AbcMus player program http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abc.htm 1600 ABC tunes http://surf.to/blackthorn Irish trad music band http://www.rfod.se/folklink/ Links to Swedish music To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Valid fractions
Henrik Norbeck wrote - Maybe we should have an obfuscated abc competition... I think we've had one for several years now. Bryan Creer To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:29:43AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#spam does say that email addresses will be obfuscated when they are present in the archive, but as Jack noted, it's not always done. I will report that. It appears that the web pages are obfuscated at the HTML level using #X0040; instead of . That will slow down some address-harvesters. If you think more obfuscation is necessary, I think you need to start lobbying. (This is rather off-topic, so I'll shut up now.) Dave To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Valid fractions
Henrik Norbeck wrote: | Starling wrote: | Is A3/2 even a valid note length currently? | | Of course it's valid! It's your typical dotted 8th note, ... | | Fractions could get complicated anyway, depending on how you | set the L: field. Why not L:1/1 ? It's legal. Or why not L:11/17 ? It's | legal and the only thing you have to beware of is that you set the | length correctly for each note. Maybe we should have an | obfuscated abc competition... We've already seen a few of those. The midi - abc conversion programs sometimes produce notes like G53427/196283, which is quite playable in midi, but rather difficult to represent in conventional staff notation. Midi systems can, of course, take input from a human player. The note lengths are never exact, and midi can represent the actual length to more precision than the ear can hear. This isn't necessarily a problem with midi or abc. It's similar to the fact that abc and staff notation can each represent things that the other can't. A simple abc example is G5, which doesn't correspond to any (single) note in staff notation. You just have to be aware of such things, and not write abc that can't be converted to tadpoles. Back when I was taking linguistics courses in college, one of the common bits of debunking that kept coming up was the frequent claims that language X is more expressive than language Y. This was usually proved by giving a few examples of things that X could express elegantly, but which were difficult to express in Y. But invariably, the partisans of Y could play that game to, and would present simple utterances in Y that X couldn't express easily. The computer world has been plagued with this conceptual problem, too. But in general, if X and Y are two languages (or notations) that have much expressive power at all, you inevitably find that there are things that each can express better than the other. This is as true of abc, midi and staff notation as it is of any other set of languages. We won't solve this problem, we can only acknowledge it and make users aware of the issue. So in abc, you try to avoid notation like A5 or G11/17, because they can't be translated to staff notation. A5 can be rewritten so that it can be translated, of course. G11/17 can only be approximated. I have a few examples of obfuscated music on paper, and I suppose lots of other musicians have seen similar things. It isn't too difficult to make obfuscated abc. To be interesting, we'd probably want rules like the Obfuscated C and Obfuscated Perl contests. These require that the program be less than a specific size, and do something useful (or at least entertaining). Syntactically valid programs with no detectable results are generally discarded. Similarly, Obfuscated ABC would have to produce something that can reasonably be called musical to the human ear. Such contests usually have special categories. Thus, the Obfuscated C contest has a category of abuse of the macro preprocessor. This is a rich source of obfuscation, as any experienced C programm well knows. If we can get agreement on how macros work in abc, this will also be a good tool for making unreadable abc that produces real, straightforward music. I wonder what would be good abuse of ... categories in abc? The recent discussion of bracketed chords is probably one. With a bit of care, one could produce a series of chords that, when played, produce a well-known melody, but no human reader would ever recognize it in the abc. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
John Chambers wrote: (Perhaps we could also solve the problem by sending form letters to spammers pointing out that we are musicians, so most of us probably don't have enough money to be worth their attention. ;-) Sigh.. I'm so used to spam. You can imagine how much spam I get considering that all aliases on the servers like webmaster and help point straight to my mailbox. Systems Administrators are like big spam magnets. On the positive side, I've been able to make a million dollars on the stock market, grow the length of my penis several inches, buy cheap real estate in South America, buy male growth hormone, help Nigerians in trouble, and meet single Russian women, all through the aid of spam. Ha..Ha..Ha.. :-) Toby To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Valid fractions
Henrik Norbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Of course it's valid! It's your typical dotted 8th note, Oops. :) My bad. STarling Who really oughter hitch up er britches n' learn dat abc thang. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
Toby writes: | John Chambers wrote: | | (Perhaps we could also solve the problem by sending form | letters to spammers pointing out that we are musicians, so | most of us probably don't have enough money to be worth | their attention. ;-) | | Sigh.. I'm so used to spam. You can imagine how much spam I get | considering that all aliases on the servers like webmaster and help | point straight to my mailbox. Systems Administrators are like big spam | magnets. | On the positive side, I've been able to make a million dollars on the | stock market, grow the length of my penis several inches, buy cheap real | estate in South America, buy male growth hormone, help Nigerians in | trouble, and meet single Russian women, all through the aid of spam. | Ha..Ha..Ha.. :-) So have you enlarged your breasts, too? ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
John Chambers wrote: Toby writes: | John Chambers wrote: | | (Perhaps we could also solve the problem by sending form | letters to spammers pointing out that we are musicians, so | most of us probably don't have enough money to be worth | their attention. ;-) | | Sigh.. I'm so used to spam. You can imagine how much spam I get | considering that all aliases on the servers like webmaster and help | point straight to my mailbox. Systems Administrators are like big spam | magnets. | On the positive side, I've been able to make a million dollars on the | stock market, grow the length of my penis several inches, buy cheap real | estate in South America, buy male growth hormone, help Nigerians in | trouble, and meet single Russian women, all through the aid of spam. | Ha..Ha..Ha.. :-) So have you enlarged your breasts, too? I haven't received that particular spam message yet. My wife hasn't received that one yet either, they haven't changed since the last time I checked. However based on a message that landed in my inbox 15 minutes ago, I apparently am now on my way to earning a phD in 8 months. Cool! :-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
I apparently am now on my way to earning a PhD in 8 months. Cool! :-) 8 months is far too long for a PhD! I've had many offers of instant ones. I'm hanging out for a D Phil. Meanwhile I shall making a fortune stuffing envelopes and taking part in 100% legal pyramid selling schemes, cancelling all my debts on-line while I watch, and receiving (USA!) government grants that I never need to repay. I was going to spend some of it on Over 250 MILLION Email Addresses for Sale from US$2 up or perhaps 14.5 MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES, but they all turned out to be aliases for John Chambers. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend
| John Chambers wrote: | Toby writes: | | On the positive side, I've been able to make a million dollars on the | | stock market, grow the length of my penis several inches, buy cheap real | | estate in South America, buy male growth hormone, help Nigerians in | | trouble, and meet single Russian women, all through the aid of spam. | | Ha..Ha..Ha.. :-) | | So have you enlarged your breasts, too? | | I haven't received that particular spam message yet. My wife hasn't | received that one yet either, they haven't changed since the last time I | checked. However based on a message that landed in my inbox 15 minutes | ago, I apparently am now on my way to earning a phD in 8 months. Cool! :-) Last week, I was somewhat bemused to get a penis-enlargement and a breast-enlargement ad in adjacent messages. They weren't from the same source, as far as I could tell; that would have made it even funnier. Sometimes I do wish I could tell those folks who send me the large messages in Chinese that they're wasting cpu cycles. But I don't suppose they would understand my messages. I have been disappointed that they all seem to come from .tw machines. I've run across a fun suggestion for dealing with spam relayed through machines in mainland China. Some people have said that they like to send back messages to the postmaster thanking him for his support for Falun Gong. This seems to get people off lists really fast ... To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
