Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? no, unless you redefine the PostScript code that draws noteheads. If you can't do it yourself, I may consider experimenting - but don't hold your breath. > 2) Can I put multiple slashes across the stem of a note? (I think that's no, unless you write an ad-hoc PostScript routine. As above... > 3) Can I render a grace note without the tie? (That's a 'flam'). yes, using the %%graceslurs 0 command in the ABC source, or the -G 0 switch in the abcm2ps command line. > I'm sure there are other things too, but those are the biggies the Drum > Sergeant came up with last night. > > Thanks in advance! that's all right. Ciao, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and redraw them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? > > no, unless you redefine the PostScript code that draws noteheads. If you > can't do it yourself, I may consider experimenting - but don't hold your > breath. > >> 2) Can I put multiple slashes across the stem of a note? (I think >> that's > > no, unless you write an ad-hoc PostScript routine. As above... > >> 3) Can I render a grace note without the tie? (That's a 'flam'). > > yes, using the %%graceslurs 0 command in the ABC source, or the -G 0 > switch in the abcm2ps command line. > >> I'm sure there are other things too, but those are the biggies the >> Drum Sergeant came up with last night. >> >> Thanks in advance! > > that's all right. Ciao, >Guido =8-) > > -- > Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System > Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. > Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) > Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
Toby Rider wrote: > > You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and redraw > them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. yes, but can I do that on my hard drive? ;) > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > > > >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? > > > > no, unless you redefine the PostScript code that draws noteheads. If you > > can't do it yourself, I may consider experimenting - but don't hold your > > breath. > > > >> 2) Can I put multiple slashes across the stem of a note? (I think > >> that's > > > > no, unless you write an ad-hoc PostScript routine. As above... > > > >> 3) Can I render a grace note without the tie? (That's a 'flam'). > > > > yes, using the %%graceslurs 0 command in the ABC source, or the -G 0 > > switch in the abcm2ps command line. > > > >> I'm sure there are other things too, but those are the biggies the > >> Drum Sergeant came up with last night. > >> > >> Thanks in advance! > > > > that's all right. Ciao, > >Guido =8-) > > > > -- > > Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System > > Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. > > Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) > > Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri > > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer Ingenta, Inc. 12 Bassett St. Providence, RI 02903 ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] top margins
Oh dear, I've asked this question here before and got the correct answer, but I have forgotten it: What do I put at the top of my abc source to move the whoe piece down the page ? In other words, how do I set a top margin ? Is there an archive for this list ? -- Joe Mc Cool Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] top margins
Joe Mc Cool wrote: >I've asked this question here before and got the correct answer, but I >have forgotten it: > >What do I put at the top of my abc source to move the whoe piece down the >page ? In other words, how do I set a top margin ? There's no general answer to this, as it depends on what software you are using. The only exception to that is for the case where you need to increase the space between two tunes, which you can do in most programs (I imagine) by adding some empty W: lines at the end of the previous tune. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
Well, you could output them as tiffs, gifs or jpegs and then open then up in photoshop or The Gimp. > Toby Rider wrote: >> >> You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and >> redraw >> them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. > > yes, but can I do that on my hard drive? > ;) > >> >> > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: >> > >> >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? >> > >> > no, unless you redefine the PostScript code that draws noteheads. If >> you can't do it yourself, I may consider experimenting - but don't >> hold your breath. >> > >> >> 2) Can I put multiple slashes across the stem of a note? (I think >> that's >> > >> > no, unless you write an ad-hoc PostScript routine. As above... >> > >> >> 3) Can I render a grace note without the tie? (That's a 'flam'). >> > >> > yes, using the %%graceslurs 0 command in the ABC source, or the -G 0 >> switch in the abcm2ps command line. >> > >> >> I'm sure there are other things too, but those are the biggies the >> Drum Sergeant came up with last night. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance! >> > >> > that's all right. Ciao, >> >Guido =8-) >> > >> > -- >> > Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System >> Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. >> NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) >> > Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius >> libri >> > >> > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >> > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html >> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >> http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > -- > Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer > Ingenta, Inc. > 12 Bassett St. > Providence, RI 02903 > ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 > em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > aim: chrismyers001 > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
Toby writes: | You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and redraw | them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. | | > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: | >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? Yeah. Actually, this subject has been mentioned before, along with the more general idea of other kinds of note heads for things like shaped-note music. It's too bad that 'x' has already been pre-empted for a kind of rest; it would be ideal for an ornament prefix saying to draw the next note head as an 'x'. This is probably the best way in general to handle such things. Maybe we could use 'X' (capital) for this ornament. The problem with this is the growing list of specialized ornaments that only work on one or two abc programs, with the same letter being used for different ornaments. We could visit the macro debate again, so that we could define a !cross-note-head! symbol and agree on a way that a user could map 'X' or 'p' or whatever to !cross-note-head!. But so far, this discussion seems to lead to an attempt to solve all the world's macro-definition problems. As a result we don't get agreement on how to define a simple text-substitution in a way that it is actually usable by a mere human. I've been tempted to do something like this in my own abc2ps clone. The main barrier so far is that I can't make any sense out of the discussion, so I don't have many clues as to what the actual syntax might be that people want. It helps if implementers can actually understand what they are expected to implement, and so far this hasn't happened with this topic. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] top margins
Phil Taylor wrote: > >I've asked this question here before and got the correct answer, but I > >have forgotten it: > > > >What do I put at the top of my abc source to move the whoe piece down the > >page ? In other words, how do I set a top margin ? > > There's no general answer to this, as it depends on what software you are using. I am using abcm2ps, but can find no hints in the help. > The only exception to that is for the case where you need to increase the space > between two tunes, which you can do in most programs (I imagine) by adding some > empty W: lines at the end of the previous tune. Nah. What I want to do is print a tune unto a page which has already has a tune printed on it ! It is definately possible, but I have just forgotten how :-( Thanks a lot. -- Joe Mc Cool Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
another way to approach this is to have a special keysig or clef for drum notation - just as K:HP is supposed to draw notes in highland pipes style (all stems up, gracenotes beamed together, default gracenote have 2 flags, if I recall correctly), then something like K:drum could draw note heads as 'x'... wil John Chambers wrote: > Toby writes: > | You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and redraw > | them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. > | > | > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > | >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? > > Yeah. Actually, this subject has been mentioned before, > along with the more general idea of other kinds of note > heads for things like shaped-note music. > > It's too bad that 'x' has already been pre-empted for a > kind of rest; it would be ideal for an ornament prefix > saying to draw the next note head as an 'x'. > > This is probably the best way in general to handle such > things. Maybe we could use 'X' (capital) for this ornament. > > The problem with this is the growing list of specialized > ornaments that only work on one or two abc programs, with > the same letter being used for different ornaments. > > We could visit the macro debate again, so that we could > define a !cross-note-head! symbol and agree on a way that a > user could map 'X' or 'p' or whatever to !cross-note-head!. > But so far, this discussion seems to lead to an attempt to > solve all the world's macro-definition problems. As a > result we don't get agreement on how to define a simple > text-substitution in a way that it is actually usable by a > mere human. > > I've been tempted to do something like this in my own > abc2ps clone. The main barrier so far is that I can't make > any sense out of the discussion, so I don't have many clues > as to what the actual syntax might be that people want. It > helps if implementers can actually understand what they are > expected to implement, and so far this hasn't happened with > this topic. > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
Here is some more feedback that Guido sent me earlier this year on the same topic: > I'm trying to print drum parts. Is there a way to convert and print with > abcm2ps or do you know how it can be done? Drummers do not like standard > notation. I know, you drummers use those funny-shaped notes. In theory it should be simple to tell abcm2ps that voice "Drum" uses, say, diamond-shaped notes or whatever. As of current version though, this feature hasn't been implemented. AFAIK, no ABC application supports non-standard notation. However, I'm pretty confident that Jean-Francois will add this feature in some future release of abcm2ps. Try and ask him politely to consider a V: extension such as: V: Drum name="Drum" noteshape="square" Alternatively, you might consider purchasing Melody Assistant that is inexpensive, reads and writes ABC, and supports non-standard notation. Ciao, Guido =8-) Wil Macaulay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps semagic.com 11/15/02 12:22 PM Please respond to abcusers another way to approach this is to have a special keysig or clef for drum notation - just as K:HP is supposed to draw notes in highland pipes style (all stems up, gracenotes beamed together, default gracenote have 2 flags, if I recall correctly), then something like K:drum could draw note heads as 'x'... wil John Chambers wrote: > Toby writes: > | You could always use liquid paper, white-out the notes heads and redraw > | them in as X's with a sharpie permanent marker.. Ha..Ha.. > | > | > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > | >> 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? > > Yeah. Actually, this subject has been mentioned before, > along with the more general idea of other kinds of note > heads for things like shaped-note music. > > It's too bad that 'x' has already been pre-empted for a > kind of rest; it would be ideal for an ornament prefix > saying to draw the next note head as an 'x'. > > This is probably the best way in general to handle such > things. Maybe we could use 'X' (capital) for this ornament. > > The problem with this is the growing list of specialized > ornaments that only work on one or two abc programs, with > the same letter being used for different ornaments. > > We could visit the macro debate again, so that we could > define a !cross-note-head! symbol and agree on a way that a > user could map 'X' or 'p' or whatever to !cross-note-head!. > But so far, this discussion seems to lead to an attempt to > solve all the world's macro-definition problems. As a > result we don't get agreement on how to define a simple > text-substitution in a way that it is actually usable by a > mere human. > > I've been tempted to do something like this in my own > abc2ps clone. The main barrier so far is that I can't make > any sense out of the discussion, so I don't have many clues > as to what the actual syntax might be that people want. It > helps if implementers can actually understand what they are > expected to implement, and so far this hasn't happened with > this topic. > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tulloch
Re: [abcusers] top margins
> > Nah. What I want to do is print a tune unto a page which has already has a tune >printed > on it ! > > It is definately possible, but I have just forgotten how :-( > > Thanks a lot. > Isn't that what the pseudocomment %%titlespace is for? I think the default is 10 or 20, so if you put %%titlespace 60 before your T: line, it adds 60 (pixels?) of space before it prints the title. Details for most of the pseudocomments are in the New.Features file that comes with abc2ps and abcm2ps. Good luck! -Chris -- Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer Ingenta, Inc. 12 Bassett St. Providence, RI 02903 ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
If it didn't have to be ABC you could use Muse http://www.musements.co.uk/muse which has X, diamond, square or ellipse. However if you then save as ABC that information would not be included in the file. Laurie. - Original Message - From: "Guido Gonzato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "abcusers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Christopher Myers wrote: > 1) Can I use an "X" for a note head? no, unless you redefine the PostScript code that draws noteheads. If you can't do it yourself, I may consider experimenting - but don't hold your breath. > 2) Can I put multiple slashes across the stem of a note? (I think that's no, unless you write an ad-hoc PostScript routine. As above... > 3) Can I render a grace note without the tie? (That's a 'flam'). yes, using the %%graceslurs 0 command in the ABC source, or the -G 0 switch in the abcm2ps command line. > I'm sure there are other things too, but those are the biggies the Drum > Sergeant came up with last night. > > Thanks in advance! that's all right. Ciao, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
I have been using ABC2win and found it inadequate for transcribing songs or choral music so I downloaded John Atcherly's ABC2ps program, but can't figure out how to get at it. The instructions seem to assume that you have done things they don't need to tell you about. I assume that this is a DOS program, but I'm not sure which files need to opened and in what order to get it up and running. Any help? A. O. Gutierrez Jamestown, RI To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
abc2ps (and abcm2ps) assumes you have knowledge of how to compile C on your computer (assuming you're running windows). I've never tried to do this (I'm running linux), but I believe it ends up being a DOS thing, i.e. run from the command prompt. I think all you have to do is compile the actual main program abc2ps.c, which makes the executable you'll need (abc2ps.exe on windows). Apart from that info, I don't think there's anything else I can tell you. -Chris Portsmouth, RI! (Right over the bridge!)"A. O. Gutierrez" wrote: > > I have been using ABC2win and found it inadequate for transcribing songs or > choral music so I downloaded John Atcherly's ABC2ps program, but can't > figure out how to get at it. The instructions seem to assume that you have > done things they don't need to tell you about. I assume that this is a DOS > program, but I'm not sure which files need to opened and in what order to > get it up and running. Any help? > > A. O. Gutierrez > Jamestown, RI > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer Ingenta, Inc. 12 Bassett St. Providence, RI 02903 ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
Thanks Chris. I'll give it a shot. Do play? If so, what kinds of stuff. I do Irish on fiddle. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-abcusers@;argyll.wisemagic.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Myers Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps abc2ps (and abcm2ps) assumes you have knowledge of how to compile C on your computer (assuming you're running windows). I've never tried to do this (I'm running linux), but I believe it ends up being a DOS thing, i.e. run from the command prompt. I think all you have to do is compile the actual main program abc2ps.c, which makes the executable you'll need (abc2ps.exe on windows). Apart from that info, I don't think there's anything else I can tell you. -Chris Portsmouth, RI! (Right over the bridge!)"A. O. Gutierrez" wrote: > > I have been using ABC2win and found it inadequate for transcribing songs or > choral music so I downloaded John Atcherly's ABC2ps program, but can't > figure out how to get at it. The instructions seem to assume that you have > done things they don't need to tell you about. I assume that this is a DOS > program, but I'm not sure which files need to opened and in what order to > get it up and running. Any help? > > A. O. Gutierrez > Jamestown, RI > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer Ingenta, Inc. 12 Bassett St. Providence, RI 02903 ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
I used the following link to get a windows executable of abc2ps...it's from Michael Methfessel's home page http://www.ihp-ffo.de/~msm/abc_src/ABC2PS-1.3.3.EXE somehow I have a teensy weensy newer version 1.3.3a on my computer, that came in a zip file, but I have no idea where I got it from... http://freshmeat.net/redir/abcm2ps/18668/url_zip/abcm2ps-3.1.13.zip I think is the link for abcm2ps um, yes, I am curious...how does one compile a c program in windows? run from the command line? Does one need a compiler? 11/15/02 3:39:52 PM, Christopher Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >abc2ps (and abcm2ps) assumes you have knowledge of how to compile C on >your computer (assuming you're running windows). I've never tried to do >this (I'm running linux), but I believe it ends up being a DOS thing, >i.e. run from the command prompt. I think all you have to do is compile >the actual main program abc2ps.c, which makes the executable you'll need >(abc2ps.exe on windows). Apart from that info, I don't think there's >anything else I can tell you. > >-Chris >Portsmouth, RI! (Right over the bridge!)"A. O. Gutierrez" wrote: >> >> I have been using ABC2win and found it inadequate for transcribing songs or >> choral music so I downloaded John Atcherly's ABC2ps program, but can't >> figure out how to get at it. The instructions seem to assume that you have >> done things they don't need to tell you about. I assume that this is a DOS >> program, but I'm not sure which files need to opened and in what order to >> get it up and running. Any help? >> >> A. O. Gutierrez >> Jamestown, RI >> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > >-- >Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer >Ingenta, Inc. >12 Bassett St. >Providence, RI 02903 >ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 >em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >aim: chrismyers001 >To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
wil writes: | another way to approach this is to have a special keysig or clef for drum notation - |just | as K:HP is supposed to draw notes in highland pipes style (all stems up, gracenotes |beamed | together, default gracenote have 2 flags, if I recall correctly), then something like | K:drum could draw note heads as 'x'... Well, yeah, and that would make a lot of drummers happy with abc. But it probably wouldn't answer the question that started this thread. There are a lot of uses for 'x' note heads in other than drum music, and usually you want it for just a few notes. So what is needed is a way to say "draw just these few notes with 'x' heads." Both approaches would be really useful, of course. And for drums, you also want to be able to specify the number of lines on the staff, since there's a lot of 1- and 2- line drum notation. This isn't without precedent in abc; we've already seen a description of an abc program that does 4-line medieval staff notation. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] top margins
Chris comments: | > Nah. What I want to do is print a tune unto a page which has already has a tune |printed | > on it ! | > | > It is definately possible, but I have just forgotten how :-( | | Isn't that what the pseudocomment %%titlespace is for? | I think the default is 10 or 20, so if you put | %%titlespace 60 | before your T: line, it adds 60 (pixels?) of space before it prints the | title. | | Details for most of the pseudocomments are in the New.Features file that | comes with abc2ps and abcm2ps. Yup, and that feature is pretty much restricted to those programs, though I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a few other abc programs recognize them. Actually, if you're using an abc2ps clone, there are several pseudocomments that will work. %%titlespace probably isn't the best, since it refers to the space between title lines, and will still put the first title at the top. You might want to try: %%topmargin N %%topspace N These add together to control the space down to the line at the bottom of the first title. The value of N can have a suffix of "pt" (points), "cm" (centimeters) or "in" (inches); the default is points if you don't include the unit. The cleanest way guarantee that the top 15 cm are blank is: %%topmargin 15cm You'll actually get a bit more space than this at the top, since the title will then be positioned %%titlespace below that, and if you don't specify %%titlespace, you get whatever its default may be in your particular copy of the program. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abc2ps clones
John Chambers wrote: > Actually, if you're using an abc2ps clone, there are > several pseudocomments that will work. There is abc2ps and there seem to be a few clones (abcm2ps, jabc2ps, yaps, and I guess more). What are the merits of each? Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc2ps clones
My two cents: >From my limited experience (the better part of two weeks), I started with yaps, because I was originally only trying to listen to abc files, and yaps came with the abcmidi package (from sourceforge). Yaps did a nice job rendering abc's into ps, but I had some problems with multiple voices, specifically with getting the bar lines to continue through both staves in a 2-voice piece. Next I tried abc2ps, which was better for some things, but not others. Here's a copy from my recent posting to the rec.music.folk newsgroup: I downloaded the abcmidi package, and am very pleased with how yaps generates output for single melody line tunes. However, I've been having problems with multi-voiced tunes when generating ps files. Basically, I'm torn between using yaps and abc2ps, since they both do part of what I want, but neither does everything I want. yaps (comes with the abc2midi package) nicely handles multiple voices (i.e. "Fife 1" and "Fife 2") as far as being able to separate them, and line them up nicely in printed form. The problem here is I can't get yaps to make the bar lines continue through both parts -- the only place there is a continuous bar line for both parts is at the beginning of each group of staves. abc2ps handles this nicely -- all you have to do is put the parameter "stv=2" in the V: line when you first define the voices, and it works fine. The problem with abc2ps (this may or may not be true) is that I can't make it respect my P: notation (e.g. Parts A and B for playing a tune in AABB format). Actually, having V: and P: together in the same tune completely hoses both attempts. Also: yaps blindly and faithfully respects my line breaks, which I like. abc2ps seems to do only what it wants to do with my line breaks (again, maybe I'm wrong here, too), which sometimes yields output I don't like, e.g. one measure on the final staff. I was eventually pointed to abcm2ps, which took care of all my problems. However, now I'm trying to do weirder stuff that apparently neither program can handle. Someone else pointed me to MUP, but it's a non-abc input format. My two cents. Give me change if I deserve it. -Chris Jon Freeman wrote: > > John Chambers wrote: > > > Actually, if you're using an abc2ps clone, there are > > several pseudocomments that will work. > > There is abc2ps and there seem to be a few clones (abcm2ps, jabc2ps, yaps, > and I guess more). What are the merits of each? > > Jon > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer Ingenta, Inc. 12 Bassett St. Providence, RI 02903 ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc2ps clones
Hi Chris, It was me that pointed you to abcm2ps from rmf. When we started folkinfo a few months ago, we wanted a simple means of storing tunes together with songs in a database and to be able to produce the songs/tunes in a variety of formats, i.e. MIDI, a graphic format (we use png and a pdf of the whole song for printing - we just add the words to the from the lyric field as W:s to the abc before running abcm2ps/ghostscript. Abc seemed ideal for the task (as well as bieng a wothwhile format in its own rights) and judging from the comments I had read elsewhere I'd not (subscribed here at that point), abcm2ps did sound as if it was better with its handling of lyrics that abc2ps which was why I used it. I think, where we have found different output, say compared to concertina.net which runs abc2ps, abcm2ps has proved to be adhering, at least by our understanding, to standards but I'm still not sure what the others offer. Jon - Original Message - From: Christopher Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc2ps clones > My two cents: > > From my limited experience (the better part of two weeks), > I started with yaps, because I was originally only trying to listen to > abc files, and yaps came with the abcmidi package (from sourceforge). > Yaps did a nice job rendering abc's into ps, but I had some problems > with multiple voices, specifically with getting the bar lines to > continue through both staves in a 2-voice piece. Next I tried abc2ps, > which was better for some things, but not others. Here's a copy from my > recent posting to the rec.music.folk newsgroup: > > I downloaded the abcmidi package, and am very pleased with how yaps > generates output for single melody line tunes. However, I've been > having problems with multi-voiced tunes when generating ps files. > Basically, I'm torn between using yaps and abc2ps, since they both do > part of what I want, but neither does everything I want. > > yaps (comes with the abc2midi package) nicely handles multiple voices > (i.e. "Fife 1" and "Fife 2") as far as being able to separate them, > and line them up nicely in printed form. The problem here is I can't > get yaps to make the bar lines continue through both parts -- the only > place there is a continuous bar line for both parts is at the > beginning of each group of staves. > > abc2ps handles this nicely -- all you have to do is put the parameter > "stv=2" in the V: line when you first define the voices, and it works > fine. > The problem with abc2ps (this may or may not be true) is that I can't > make it respect my P: notation (e.g. Parts A and B for playing a tune > in AABB format). Actually, having V: and P: together in the same tune > completely hoses both attempts. > > Also: > yaps blindly and faithfully respects my line breaks, which I like. > abc2ps seems to do only what it wants to do with my line breaks > (again, maybe I'm wrong here, too), which sometimes yields output I > don't like, e.g. one measure on the final staff. > > > > I was eventually pointed to abcm2ps, which took care of all my > problems. However, now I'm trying to do weirder stuff that apparently > neither program can handle. Someone else pointed me to MUP, but it's a > non-abc input format. > > My two cents. Give me change if I deserve it. > > -Chris > > Jon Freeman wrote: > > > > John Chambers wrote: > > > > > Actually, if you're using an abc2ps clone, there are > > > several pseudocomments that will work. > > > > There is abc2ps and there seem to be a few clones (abcm2ps, jabc2ps, yaps, > > and I guess more). What are the merits of each? > > > > Jon > > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html > > -- > Christopher Myers, Graduate Software Developer > Ingenta, Inc. > 12 Bassett St. > Providence, RI 02903 > ph: 401.331.2014 x 102 > em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > aim: chrismyers001 > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
John Chambers writes: > >wil writes: >| another way to approach this is to have a special keysig or clef for drum notation - just >| as K:HP is supposed to draw notes in highland pipes style (all stems up, grace >notes beamed >| together, default gracenote have 2 flags, if I recall correctly), then something like >| K:drum could draw note heads as 'x'... > >Well, yeah, and that would make a lot of drummers happy >with abc. But it probably wouldn't answer the question that >started this thread. There are a lot of uses for 'x' note >heads in other than drum music, and usually you want it for >just a few notes. So what is needed is a way to say "draw >just these few notes with 'x' heads." > >Both approaches would be really useful, of course. And for >drums, you also want to be able to specify the number of >lines on the staff, since there's a lot of 1- and 2- line >drum notation. This isn't without precedent in abc; we've >already seen a description of an abc program that does >4-line medieval staff notation. Obligatory first comment: of course, this can all be done with abc2mtex. Obligatory second comment: but I've forgotten exactly how. (Actually, x-heads are easy, but putting strokes thru the note-stems might be ugly.) However, a better solution would be to just haul off and do it. I like Wil's suggestion of making a percussion key or clef part of abc, for a couple of reasons: First, while we can probably just hack it, we're running out of free notation. It's better to save scarce resources and simply do it right the first time. Next, abc is eventually going to have to include percussion notation anyway. We've avoided it for a long time, but the present problem seems clear and can probably be solved fairly directly, so it's a good starting place. The main concern is to to be careful not to close off further extensions to the percussion cleffor there are bound to be many if percussionists ever start getting interested in abc. Thirdly, once there is a special percussion clef, the rules can change: some notation will be freed because it'll be irrelevant to the percussion clef---e.g. a percussion score which needs up-bow and down-bow would be very modern indeed. And...less than five lines in a staff? Why not? So it may not be too difficult to solve this problem. Clearly, it needs careful discussion---e.g can we use "x" for notes, or will it be needed for its present purpose?---but, hey, we're good at that, and if we start with something concrete and think small, it should be possible to come up with a good solution, namely a compact, human-readable notation for the side-drums. (And after that, the world...) Finally---call it spin-off or collateral damage as you please---solving the note-head problem in this setting may end up solving it in general. (And you can call me Pollyanna for thinking it will all be that simple...) Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
> http://freshmeat.net/redir/abcm2ps/18668/url_zip/abcm2ps-3.1.13.zip > I think is the link for abcm2ps > > um, yes, I am curious...how does one compile a c program in windows? run from > the command line? Does one need a compiler? Yes, you most definately do. MicroShaft do one as does Borland. I currently use Power C from www.mixsoftware.com (it is very inexpensive and small). But be warned - you are getting yourself into a very technical area that will slurp your time. Better to just practice your music instead. It is _so_ easy to get distracted with all this technical crapology. -- Joe Mc Cool Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] top margins
John Chambers wrote: > | Isn't that what the pseudocomment %%titlespace is for? > %%topmargin 15cm Thanks to you both. Ye are bricks. -- Joe Mc Cool Tangent Computer Research BT71 7LN (www.tangent-research.com) voice:(44)2837-548074fax:(44)-870-0520185 The more you say the less the better. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lost in abcm2ps
>abc2ps (and abcm2ps) assumes you have knowledge of how to compile C on >your computer oh, you should probably use Abcm2ps, it's newer and better than the old abc2ps. Binaries and helps can be found on Guido Gonzato's website. I don't have the url here you can find it with www.google.com and probably also at : http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/ ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
re : [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps
If you have access to a linux system, you can always create the new symbols using the application PfaEdit http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ It works fine. Then, with the %%deco option in abcm2ps, you can add new symbols. I'm currently working on such stuffs, it's not that easy but it works. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
