Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
Sorry - I guess I omitted an apostrophe in the quote. Just my bad grammar. Actually I don't know how to count Gods, so I don't even know what it means for there to be one or more than one. Laurie - Original Message - From: "Forgeot Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: [abcusers] Goodbye Frank, I'm so sorry you can't maintain Musicaviva any longer... It was a good place on the web. Is there a hope it will come back again ? Is it a money problem (cost of servers...) ? If so it's a real pity then. Can't you move to a free account ? I've seen also you speak about a job problem. I'm not good a saying things in such cases so I'll keep quiet then. about >"always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the form of >unanswered prayers". Given the place you live, in the northern part of the world, I think the most helpfull and trustfull one would be SKADI ! Stå på ! Vær ikke sur. ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
I have plenty of disk space. If you want I will store it for you in a place this will be available for all list members to download. Toby > Christian M. Cepel wrote: >> You've certainly my gratitude and appreciation. >> >> Might we convince you to make a single tarball available, > > I'd really love to, but the site is just too big. The abc files alone > takes up 20 MB. > > Anyway, Musica Viva should be back again tomorrow, and apparently it's > back for good whether I want it or not ;-) > > > Frank Nordberg > http://www.musicaviva.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: > http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
Christian M. Cepel wrote: You've certainly my gratitude and appreciation. Might we convince you to make a single tarball available, I'd really love to, but the site is just too big. The abc files alone takes up 20 MB. Anyway, Musica Viva should be back again tomorrow, and apparently it's back for good whether I want it or not ;-) Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
You've certainly my gratitude and appreciation.
Might we convince you to make a single tarball available, to bypass any
administrative hastle with access and such.
// Christian
Frank Nordberg wrote:
Seems it ain't quite over yet.
The reason why Musica Viva is down now has nothing whatsoever to do with
the real issue. Apparently the domain name has been blocked due to
"communication problems" between VeriSign and their Norwegian agent,
ActiveISP. That's what happened last year at least, and I know I paid
that bill two months ago (I just checked just to be absolutely sure). At
first I saw no reason to bother, but on second thought I realized this
is a golden opportunity to vent off some of my built-up frustration.
Some poor bloke down at ActiveISP is gonna get a hell of a start of the
day tomorrow. ;-)
Maybe I should sue them, btw? Does anybody know anything about the legal
aspect of such a situation?
Anyway, the site will be back again soon, It probably won't be for long,
but at least it'll get a proper funeral. Musica Viva ain't gonna just
softly and suddenly vanish away!
Laurie (ukonline) wrote:
"...So please respect my right to be grumpy, anti-social, selfish and
bitter."
Yep. All the best anyway.
Thanks! :-)
Once at a crisis point in my life I got an email from an Indian friend
who
said "always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the
form of
unanswered prayers".
I've got a feeling that when I get some distance to the whole thing,
getting rid of that greedy and ungrateful monster called Musica Viva
will have been one of the best things ever to happen to me. Somehow that
doesn't feel very comforting...
Gerry McCartney wrote:
> Speaking as a rank amateur, i.e. not a programmer (!), may I just send a
> thank you to Frank Nordberg for allowing me the pleasure of visiting his
> Musica Viva site many times over this last year or so. I got many useful
> links
...
Well...
The Free Sheet Music Directory is one of the main reasons why Musica
Viva is bleeding to death, and even if some last-minute miracle should
save the site, that particular part of it will have to go.
...
> and was able to access many excellent programs that I'd never heard of
> previously.
Hmmm...
The ABC applications search engine really ought to stay online. Any
volunteers?
Frank
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Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
> Once at a crisis point in my life I got an email from an Indian friend who > said "always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the form of > unanswered prayers". That was also a line in a popular country/western song :-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Frank- > > I have learned a great deal from you in your posts and your > answers to my questions, and spent many hours poking around > musicaviva.com. Whatever is happening in your life, I hope it > works out for the best for you. > > But one question: Does this "Goodbye" also mean you're signing > off the list? Note this is cc'ed both to the list and to you > personally. I'd sure like to see an answer on the list, though. That's a very difficult question. You see, without Musica Viva I won't really be an abcuser anymore. Practically all non-Viva music notation I do is a bit too complex for abc. It is possible to do a marching band or a big band arrangement in abc, but I'd rather not. On the other hand I do believe in abc. The free exchange of music through internet is an idea that is important to me, and abc is a vital part of that. Besides, I've made a couple of friends through abcusers (one of my closest friends even) and met a couple of people I deeply respect (no names mentioned, of course ;-) ) and I'd hate too loose touch. So I guess I'll still hang around. John Chambers wrote: > So are you going to tell us the whole story? Just the line I was waiting for, John ;-) Strangely enough, I don't think I'd be able to answer that if it wasn't for that stupid domain name problem. It gave me something to focus on, and as you all know, everything becomes far clearer once you've got some focus The first reason, of course, is the good old websmater's blues. I suppose all webmasters here know exactly what I'm talking about. To all the others: running a website is a *very* lonesome occupation. You write those pages, upload them and hope somebody likes what you've done. But you don't get much response from the visitors. People come to your place and they leave your place and they hardly ever bother even to say hello. I added a guestbook to Musica Viva in April 2001. Since then there have been between between 15 and 20 million page visits at the site. 262 visitors have signed the guestbook. I used to get lots of emails too, of course. Mostly from young kids who told me that this or that pop group made the only *real* music and that I should stop posting all that boring old s**t on the web. I've solved that problem, but sometimes I wish I didn't. Negative response can actually be better than no response at all. I really didn't want to announce Musica Viva's problems at abcusers. I didn't want everybody to tell me how great a job I was doing. But that's exactly what happened, and although I hate to admit it, it feels really ood. :-) Remember guys, when you stumble across a site you really like, tell the webmaster! If there's a guestbook, sign it, if not email him/her and tell him/her how much you appreciate the site! The second reason is - well I guess you could call it boredom. A few months ago I decided it was time for something new. So I took a year's leave from my regular job and went looking for new challenges. What I didn't realize at that point, was that Musica Viva by ten had become a *part* of the daily routines it used to be a break from. Working on Musica Viva can be very boring sometimes. I change the layout here, I tweak some script there and then I add some more music. But the site has grown so huge! Modifications on a scale that used to be a major step foreward, just drowns in the huge mass that is today's Musica Viva. The third and most immediate (but not necessarily the most important) reason is simply money. I don't have a regular income at the moment, and that means I *have* to be very cautious about everything that costs me money. I don't think I would have considered closing Musica Viva if it had managed to become self-financing. I might not have updated it very often, but at least I might have kept the old stuff online. As it is, I have to pay for the privilege of being Musica Viva's webmaster - not much, but more than I can afford at the moment. Besides, they say time is money, and that is certainly true in this case. As long as Musica Viva exists, I just can't keep myself from spending time tweaking it - time I really rather ought to spend keeping the bank happy. Hmm... I suppose nobody has the stamnina to read this far, so hopefully I'm only writing to myself by now. I guess I should have let the boojum called ActiveISP eliminate Musica Viva after all. The more I reason and the more I try to explain, the more I start looking for ways to get through this. For good or bad, Musica Viva is my child, and you don't just kill of your children just because they are a nuisance, do you? I'll make a few phone calls tomorrow and see what I can come up with. If there is any way at all to save the site, I'll find it. Frank To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
Seems it ain't quite over yet. The reason why Musica Viva is down now has nothing whatsoever to do with the real issue. Apparently the domain name has been blocked due to "communication problems" between VeriSign and their Norwegian agent, ActiveISP. That's what happened last year at least, and I know I paid that bill two months ago (I just checked just to be absolutely sure). At first I saw no reason to bother, but on second thought I realized this is a golden opportunity to vent off some of my built-up frustration. Some poor bloke down at ActiveISP is gonna get a hell of a start of the day tomorrow. ;-) Maybe I should sue them, btw? Does anybody know anything about the legal aspect of such a situation? Anyway, the site will be back again soon, It probably won't be for long, but at least it'll get a proper funeral. Musica Viva ain't gonna just softly and suddenly vanish away! Laurie (ukonline) wrote: "...So please respect my right to be grumpy, anti-social, selfish and bitter." Yep. All the best anyway. Thanks! :-) Once at a crisis point in my life I got an email from an Indian friend who said "always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the form of unanswered prayers". I've got a feeling that when I get some distance to the whole thing, getting rid of that greedy and ungrateful monster called Musica Viva will have been one of the best things ever to happen to me. Somehow that doesn't feel very comforting... Gerry McCartney wrote: > Speaking as a rank amateur, i.e. not a programmer (!), may I just send a > thank you to Frank Nordberg for allowing me the pleasure of visiting his > Musica Viva site many times over this last year or so. I got many useful > links ... Well... The Free Sheet Music Directory is one of the main reasons why Musica Viva is bleeding to death, and even if some last-minute miracle should save the site, that particular part of it will have to go. ... > and was able to access many excellent programs that I'd never heard of > previously. Hmmm... The ABC applications search engine really ought to stay online. Any volunteers? Frank To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Goodbye
Speaking as a rank amateur, i.e. not a programmer (!), may I just send a thank you to Frank Nordberg for allowing me the pleasure of visiting his Musica Viva site many times over this last year or so. I got many useful links and was able to access many excellent programs that I'd never heard of previously. All with the same end in mind - to enjoy writing and playing the music of my choice. Thank you, Frank, and good luck. Gerry McCartney - >Musica Viva is now history. Sorry folks, that's all Good bye Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
"...So please respect my right to be grumpy, anti-social, selfish and bitter." Yep. All the best anyway. Once at a crisis point in my life I got an email from an Indian friend who said "always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the form of unanswered prayers". Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Goodbye
Frank Nordberg wrote: ... No, the site isn't dead yet. I haven't even given up all hope to save it! But realistically, saving Musica Viva would take a miracle ... Woops, seems things things happened faster than I thought. Musica Viva is now history. Sorry folks, that's all Good bye Frank Nordberg P.S. Anybody got a job for me? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
