[AI] Myth of the fastest supercomputer

[sweety bhalla]

Myth of the fastest supercomputer

India may have launched itself on the world's map of raw computing power with 
the Eka supercomputer from the Tata group, but even the world's fastest 
supercomputer
cannot match the processing speed of your brain.

While your computer, on an average, can execute around 100 megaflops (million 
of calculations per second), it can barely handle dictation.

For instance, it will take a single PC more than a few days to weeks to 
calculate a weather map - a task best left to a supercomputer.

Your brain, on the other hand, is able to understand multiple languages, 
process complex visual images, control your entire body, understand conceptual
problems and create new ideas.

Scientists reveal that the brain is made up of about one trillion cells with 
100 trillion connections between those cells. Estimates put the brain as capable
of handling 10 quadrillion instructions per second.

Now compare that to the processing speed of the world's fastest supercomputer 
from IBM at over 475 teraflops (or 475 trillion calculations per second).

What's more interesting is that the world's truly fastest supercomputer - 
RIKEN's MDGrape-3 - will probably never be officially crowned with that title,
simply because it is so specialised that it can't run the software (the Linpack 
benchmark) used to officially rank computing speed.

MDGrape-3 is the first machine to break the petaflop barrier - that is 1 
quadrillion calculations per second - and is three times faster than the 
currently-ranked
fastest computer in the world, IBM's BlueGene/L. IBM's BlueGene/P is soon 
slated to achieve the petaflop distinction, though, with its machine nicknamed
'Roadrunner'.

"Getting to the petaflop stage is a Herculean task. It involves increasing the 
processing speed by over 10 times, besides scaling-up in a non-linear fashion.
The efficiency falls as you add central processing units (CPUs). You require to 
radically upgrade the architecture," says N Seetha Rama Krishna, project
manager of Computational Research Laboratories (CRL) - a wholly-owned 
subsidiary of Tata Sons. The Tata supercomputer has been ranked the fourth most 
powerful
in the world.

RIKEN developed the supercomputer along with Intel, and SGI in 2006 to carry 
out molecular dynamics simulations. In developing drugs, pharmaceutical 
companies
have to analyse thousands of chemical compounds to find out how they will 
affect the protein-bonding structures in the human body.

What takes most computers hours or days to analyse takes MDGrape-3 a few 
seconds. The functionality is invaluable in drug research since it can 
drastically
cut research time involved in the development of new cures. A subsidiary of 
pharmaceutical giant Merck has already booked time on the machine.

Construction of supercomputers is an expensive task. To get a machine from the 
laboratory to the market may take several years.

In Tata's case, however, it was done in a record six weeks. The most recent 
development costs of supercomputers varied between $150 and 500 million or more.

However, the Tata supercomputer cost around $30 million while the Riken one was 
reportedly around just $9 million. That's partly because MDGrape-3 relies
on fewer chips and less circuitry than its competitors.

Besides, Hitachi, Intel, and SGI Japan supplied the hardware and absorbed part 
of the cost of building the machine. One measure of the MDGrape-3's 
ultra-efficient
computing muscle is its cost per gigaflop (1 billion floating-point 
calculations per second), which Riken puts at $15. By comparison, BlueGene/L's 
is $140
per gigaflop.

Also, while BlueGene/L contains a whopping 130,000 processors distributed over 
65,000 nodes, Riken's closet-sized machine needs only 4,808 chips to achieve
four times its speed for certain applications. The Tata supercomputer used 
15,000 processors over 2,000 nodes.

Using a supercomputer is expensive as well. As a user, you are charged 
according to the time you use the system what is expressed in the number of 
processor
(CPU) seconds your programme runs, says Krishna.

In the recent past, Cray (one of the first supercomputers) time was $1,000 per 
hour. The use of this "Cray time" was a very common way to express computer
costs in time and dollars.

Meanwhile, the next generation of supercomputing - with DNA and Quantum 
Computing - is already being talked about. Of course, it will take at least 
another
decade before the new technologies will hit the work floor.

(Sweety Bhalla)
Assistant Manager
IFCI LTD
New Delhi India
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Re: [AI] latest adisions to my site

[Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh]

can we request e-books on your site from now onwards?
Thanks,

Mohd.

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From: "ashish rohtagi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: [AI] latest adisions to my site


> Hello friends!
>
> Excelent Microsoft excel book has been added in the tips and tricks 
> section!
> the book is written compatible for Microsoft  excel users of version 97 to 
> 2007.
> This book will clear allmost all your douts with microsoft excel,
>
> A new mobile search engine is added to the mobile phone related sites 
> section!
> This will search 157 sites for everything related to mobile!
>
> do enjoy searching and Reading the book!
>
>
> http://www.ashishrohtagi.org
>
>
> many thanks
> take care
> regards
> Ashish.
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Re: [AI] Your views on the following configuration

[Syed Imran]

Hi Vetrivel

This is a good configuration, but what is its price?
How long is the battery life?
I think Intel Pentium processor will do much better, but it's not that 
important, you can get a good performance from Celeron also.

With best regards
Syed Imran
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: [AI] Your views on the following configuration


See below:

Compaq Presario Notebook Computer 80GB, DVD Writer, Wireless, 15.4"
VISTA Widescreen LaptopOne Year WarrantyPerformance
NotebookMicrosoft(R) VistaT Basic.


Intel(R) Celeron(R) M Processor

15.4" WXGA High-Definition Brightview Widescreen Display

1GB MB DDR RAM

80 GB Harddrive

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator

8x DVD+/-RW

802.11b/g WLAN

PCMCIA/Express Card Slots

6-Cell Lithium Ion Battery

Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Vista Home Basic

Features

Microprocessor

1.60 GHz Intel(R) Celeron(R) M Processor 520

Microprocessor Cache

1MB L2 Cache

Memory

512MB DDR2 System Memory (1 Dimm)

Video Graphics

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (shared)

Hard Drive

80GB (5400RPM) Hard Drive (SATA)

Multimedia Drive

Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support

Display

15.4" WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800)

Fax/Modem

High speed 56k modem

Network Card

Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)

Wireless Connectivity

802.11b/g WLAN

Sound

Altec Lansing

Keyboard

101-key compatible

Pointing Device

Touch Pad with dedicated vertical and horizontal Scroll Up/Down pad

External Ports

. 2 Universal Serial Bus USB 2.0
. 1 VGA (15-pin)
. 1 RJ-11 (modem)
. 1 TV-Out (S-video)
. 1 RJ -45 (LAN)
. 1 headphone-out
. 1 microphone-in

Dimensions

14.1"(L) x 10.2" (W) 1.38"(min H) /1.77"(max H)

Weight

6.6 lbs

Security

. Kensington(R) MicroSaver lock slot
. Power-on password
. Accepts 3rd party security lock devices

Power

. 65W AC Adapter
. 6-Cell Lithium-Ion battery


Software

Operating System:

Genuine Windows(R) Vista Home Basic

Security and Support:

Symantec(R) Norton Internet Security 2007 (including 60 days
complimentary live update)

HP Total Care Help & Support Center

PC Recovery (Softthinks Restore Solution)

Wireless Home Network

Multimedia:

Vongo

HP PhotoSmart Essentials

HP DVD Play

Muvee AutoProducer Basic Edition

RealRhapsody

Roxio Creator 9 Basic

Snapfish

Adobe(R) Acrobat Reader

Productivity and Finance:

Microsoft (R) Works

Microsoft(R) Office 2007 Student and Teacher Edition: 60 Day Trial Version

Internet Solutions:

AOL(R) Dial-Up

Microsoft(R) Internet Explorer

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Re: [AI] Techshare India 2008: Registrations are open!

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello Basu,

I have talked to our people. It is not possible for us to participate in a 
programme at such a high price. We depend on private charities for our 
welfare programmes. Anyway, thank you for the invitation. We wish your 
programme a success.
Best regards,
Amiyo.
Cell: +91-9433464329
- Original Message - 
From: "Vasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: [AI] Techshare India 2008: Registrations are open!


> Hello:
>
>
>
> Techshare India 2008 is a conference on breaking the barriers faced by
> people with disabilities and to create awareness about accessibility.
>
>
>
> Techshare offers workshops and presentations. In addition, it provides an
> opportunity to meet with other professionals working in this area from all
> over the world as well as browse the exhibition space. Techshare India 
> also
> provides you with an opportunity to experience people with disabilities
> working with assistive technology in the first ever Experiential Lab at
> Techshare India.
>
>
>
> Registrations are now open for the Techshare India 2008 conference which
> will be held on 4th & 5th February 2008 at New Delhi, India.
>
>
>
> Early Bird registration offer is available until 30th November 2007!
>
>
>
> To find out information about registration fees, booking process and to
> register online, visit
> http://www.barrierbreak.com/conferenceregistration.php
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Vasu | Account Manager
> BarrierBreak Technologies
> India: +91 (22) 2686 0485 / 86
> Cell: +91 99202 29081
> USA: +1 (781) 452 0677
> Web:   http://www.barrierbreak.com
>  BarrierBreak |
>  Techshare India 2008 |
>  Accessibility Blog
> BarrierBreak Technologies a subsidiary of   Net
> Systems Informatics
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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Ketan Kothari]

It is very sad that forums like accessindia are also spreading piracy 
related news.  I will not say that I have not used similar products but not 
of Indian low cost products.  And in any case, this forum should not be used 
for such purposes.  I would request the moderators to ban such members who 
started and continued this thread.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dipendra manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!


>I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions.
>
> We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any time
> for developing solutions for us.
>
> If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
> source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can 
> stop
> living like thieves.
>
> There is no windows for Indian Languages
> There is no OCR in Indian language
> There is no decent TTS for any Indian language.
>
> This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.
>
> We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
> programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
> decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
> close down their company due to losses.
>
> We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this. Why 
> do
> you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do 
> you
> think they will be able to recover their cost here?
>
> Is Vachak so unaffordable?
>
> Dipendra Manocha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
> Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> Thanks a lot sir.
> I will try it out and tell you.
> Regards,
>
> On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the
>> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries
>> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start
>> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
>> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted
>> zip file format.
>>
>> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if
>> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with
>> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can
>> download from
>>
>> ProLicense.dat:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>>
>> ProLicense.txt:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>>
>> Now, try this out again:
>> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has
>> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files,
>> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
>> 'lang.dll'.)
>> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file
>> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the
>> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20
>> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
>> manual.def'.)
>> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any
>> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor,
>> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type
>> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>>
>> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > same here
>> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also
>> > down load it but no result
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and
>> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the
>> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
>> > >
>> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also
>> > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads:
>> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
>> > > The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted.
>> > > OK
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Amiyo.
>> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> 
>> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM
>> > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload Vachak on
>> > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with an extra
>> > >> bonus gift bundled together; that is, viavoice outloud! If
>> > >> someone asks "What is it?" So, it's a speech engine for many
>> > >> foreig

Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[SriniBrothers]

... I too agree with Dipendra and Manish. In fact, this could be one reason
why there's delay for development of assistive technology / barrier-free
environment in our country.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: 16 November 2007 23:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

I completely agree with Dipendra on this. We get what we deserve and the
reason we don't get any development of accessibility solutions in India
is because we think we can get away with stealing while someone else
does the hard work.
...or maybe we are so used to living off of charity that we believe
everything should be free for us just because we are disadvantaged in
some way.

Regards,
Manish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dipendra
manocha
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions. 

We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any
time
for developing solutions for us.

If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can
stop
living like thieves.

There is no windows for Indian Languages
There is no OCR in Indian language
There is no decent TTS for any Indian language. 

This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.

We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
close down their company due to losses.

We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this.
Why do
you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do
you
think they will be able to recover their cost here?

Is Vachak so unaffordable?

Dipendra Manocha 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

Thanks a lot sir.
I will try it out and tell you.
Regards,

On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the 
> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries 
> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start 
> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted

> zip file format.
>
> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if 
> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with 
> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can 
> download from
>
> ProLicense.dat:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>
> ProLicense.txt:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>
> Now, try this out again:
> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has 
> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files, 
> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
> 'lang.dll'.)
> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file 
> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the 
> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20 
> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
> manual.def'.)
> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any 
> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor, 
> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type 
> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>
> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > same here
> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also 
> > down load it but no result
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and 
> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the 
> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
> > >
> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also 
> > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads:
> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
> > > The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted.
> > > OK
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Amiyo.
> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> 
> 

Re: [AI] About N72 and Talks 2.5.

[Amiyo Biswas]

How shall I turn it off? Talks is no longer talking.
Best regards,
Amiyo.
Cell: +91-9433464329
- Original Message - 
From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] About N72 and Talks 2.5.


Connect your ear phone with Mobile, start FM radio. Now, press key-1 that is 
OK button, press the navigation down key 5 time and then press key-1 again. 
Your Fm radio will be on loud speaker now!
Features of N70M and N72 are almost 95% same and both the instruments having 
similar functions.
-- 
Warm regards,

Amit Bhatt
Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
New Delhi, India
IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows Live: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: amitbhattindia

"Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much"-Helen Keller





Quoting Amiyo Biswas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Well, I have already purchased N72. So I have to use it in the best
> possible
> way. Is there any manual for Talks? I cannot find any form of help
> from the
> programme except the training mode. Can I use the fm radio without
> the head
> phone? Once I tune in the radio, I cannot control the set any
> more.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Amiyo.
>
> Cell: +91-9433464329
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ashwani Jassal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] About N72 and Talks 2.5.
>
>
> > I recommend you to perches n 70 M though it is bit expensive but
> certainly
> > better then N 72 in al the aspects.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] About N72 and Talks 2.5.
> >
> >
> > Off course, keys of 3230 are better than N72 in terms of
> usability and
> easy
> > to operate between but once you get your hand fixed on the keys
> of N72,
> that
> > will also be not a problem to use since you would be habitual to
> use such
> > keys.
> > Well its also a matter of choice that what handset is being
> chosen and
> used
> > by a user and I have not found 3230 as good as N72. Specially
> there is no
> > comparision in the sound quality of N72 and 3230 and I personally
> focus
> more
> > on sound, music and voice rather than keys.
> > Also, N72 can support memory card up to 1 gb.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Amit Bhatt
> > --
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Amit Bhatt
> > Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
> > New Delhi, India
> > IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Windows Live: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Skype: amitbhattindia
> >
> > "Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much"-Helen
> Keller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Amiyo Biswas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Hello Amit,
> > >
> > > Then, why N72? Nokia 3230 costs Rs. 2000 less, at least.
> Moreover,
> > > the keys
> > > on N72 are quite indistinct. I am feeling so uncomfortable
> while
> > > typing.
> > > Best regards,
> > > Amiyo.
> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] About N72 and Talks 2.5.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hold key is the same button witch we use for receiving the
> calls.
> > > If you
> > > press this key during the call, the caller will be on hold.
> > > Pressing this
> > > key once again, will unhold the current call!
> > > You have asked in another mail regarding chatting and E-mails
> > > through
> > > Mobile.
> > > Well I don't have own idea and experience as I have never ever
> used
> > > these
> > > services via Mobile but yes, You need to get your phone
> activated
> > > with GPRS
> > > or EGPRS in order to use chatt and Email facility.
> > > Rates and costs are totally depend on witch service provider
> you
> > > have got
> > > subscribed with. However, it would cost you somewhere around
> Rs. 50
> > > only to
> > > activate the service and this should be one time fee. After
> that
> > > depends on
> > > what plan you choose and what rates are decided by the service
> > > provider as
> > > I've described above.
> > > Another thing, using E-mails or even viewing sites are not
> better
> > > advised
> > > with N72 since usibility and compatibility  of these services
> with
> > > N72 is
> > > not up to the mark .
> > > --
> > > Warm regards,
> > >
> > > Amit Bhatt
> > > Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
> > > New Delhi, India
> > > IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Windows Live: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Skype: amitbhattindia
> > >
> > > "Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much"-Helen
> > > Keller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Amiyo Biswas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Which one is the hold key during a call?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Amiyo.
> > > >
> > > > Cell: +91-9433464329
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AI]

Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Dipendra manocha]

I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions. 

We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any time
for developing solutions for us.

If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can stop
living like thieves.

There is no windows for Indian Languages
There is no OCR in Indian language
There is no decent TTS for any Indian language. 

This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.

We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
close down their company due to losses.

We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this. Why do
you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do you
think they will be able to recover their cost here?

Is Vachak so unaffordable?

Dipendra Manocha 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

Thanks a lot sir.
I will try it out and tell you.
Regards,

On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the 
> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries 
> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start 
> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted 
> zip file format.
>
> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if 
> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with 
> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can 
> download from
>
> ProLicense.dat:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>
> ProLicense.txt:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>
> Now, try this out again:
> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has 
> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files, 
> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
> 'lang.dll'.)
> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file 
> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the 
> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20 
> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
> manual.def'.)
> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any 
> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor, 
> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type 
> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>
> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > same here
> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also 
> > down load it but no result
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and 
> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the 
> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
> > >
> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also 
> > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads:
> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
> > > The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted.
> > > OK
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Amiyo.
> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> 
> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
> > >
> > >
> > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload Vachak on 
> > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with an extra 
> > >> bonus gift bundled together; that is, viavoice outloud! If 
> > >> someone asks "What is it?" So, it's a speech engine for many 
> > >> foreign languages like US and/UK/Australian English, french and ...!
> > >> But, what I have read on the website of LSW and in its user 
> > >> manual, tells that Vani supports only US English version of 
> > >> ViaVoice at present. But that's not bad, after all, we'll get rid 
> > >> of bloody Narrator voice and may enjoy jaws like voice with LSW!
> > >>
> > >> So, go grab the gift you all,
> > >> Vachak:
> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/noekjf
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ibilg6
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/c5pn5j
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/e1kh9d
> > >>
> > >> Outloud:
> > >> US

[AI] Episode 28 of Eyeway Yeh Hai Roshni Ka Karawan

[Pranay Gadodia]

Dear friends,


Jagdish Chander of Delhi is yet another person who testifies that success or 
growth is dependent on one's intelligence and willpower, and one's blindness 
does not become obstacle to it. He is in the final stages of completing his 
Ph.D from Syracuse university of the US, and currently is a lecturer of 
political science in Hindu college in Delhi. Know more about this modest person 
at the outset in episode 29.

 

Braille script has built the foundation and is still enabling millions of blind 
people in their education and knowledge gathering process. In this episode 
bollywood actress Nandita Das tells us about the inventor of Braille script, 
the legend - Louis Braille.


 

Also enjoy a song sung by Rithvik Rajan, a school student from Bangalore. 
Rithvik is born blind and has good interest in music. He also performs in shows 
and concerts.




We want to remind our listeners that, If you play music, or sing, and happen to 
be visually impaired, we would be happy to show your talent to people through 
this show. For this you would have to send us a studio recorded CD of yours. On 
its approval from our panel of experts, you would be heard on 29 cities on 
vividhbharti through this programme.

 

In the advice section of the previous episode we initiated our discussion with 
Dr.Cyrus Shroff of Delhi, who is a well known retina expert. We continue 
talking to him based on the queries we have received on our helpdesk. This time 
we asked him questions about Age related macular degeneration and Diabetic 
retinopathy.

 

 

So listen and let others also know about this information, inspiration and 
entertainment packed radio show.
Episode 29 of Eyeway Yeh Hai Roshni Ka Karawan can be heard online at 
www.eyeway.org/include/radio/radio.php .  Here navigate 
down to the heading of Internet Broadcasting and click on the link of the 
Episode.

The episode would be there till 15th November  2007 Thursday morning, before 
being replaced by the subsequent episode.

Thanks and regards,


Pranay Gadodia,
Project Eyeway - A comprehensive information helpdesk on eye & blindness
Helpdesk # +91 9968 329 329 (Monday to Friday 11am to 5pm)

C/o Score Foundation.
125-B, Shahpur Jat,
New Delhi - 110 049 INDIA.

Mobile: +91 98917 91089
Office Phone: +91 - 11 - 2649 4582/81
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Website: www.eyeway.org 
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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Manish Agrawal]

I completely agree with Dipendra on this. We get what we deserve and the
reason we don't get any development of accessibility solutions in India
is because we think we can get away with stealing while someone else
does the hard work.
...or maybe we are so used to living off of charity that we believe
everything should be free for us just because we are disadvantaged in
some way.

Regards,
Manish

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dipendra
manocha
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions. 

We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any
time
for developing solutions for us.

If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can
stop
living like thieves.

There is no windows for Indian Languages
There is no OCR in Indian language
There is no decent TTS for any Indian language. 

This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.

We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
close down their company due to losses.

We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this.
Why do
you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do
you
think they will be able to recover their cost here?

Is Vachak so unaffordable?

Dipendra Manocha 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

Thanks a lot sir.
I will try it out and tell you.
Regards,

On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the 
> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries 
> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start 
> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted

> zip file format.
>
> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if 
> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with 
> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can 
> download from
>
> ProLicense.dat:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>
> ProLicense.txt:
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>
> Now, try this out again:
> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has 
> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files, 
> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
> 'lang.dll'.)
> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file 
> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the 
> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20 
> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
> manual.def'.)
> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any 
> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor, 
> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type 
> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>
> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > same here
> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also 
> > down load it but no result
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and 
> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the 
> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
> > >
> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also 
> > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads:
> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
> > > The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted.
> > > OK
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Amiyo.
> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> 
> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
> > >
> > >
> > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload Vachak on 
> > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with an extra 
> > >> bonus gift bundled together; that is, viavoice outloud! If 
> > >> someone asks "What is it?" So, it's a speech engine for many 
> > >> foreign lang

Re: [AI] Your views on the following configuration

[Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your views.

This is costing US $449+$31 tax. As for as the quality of the
processer is concern, Celeron processers are generally considered as
slow, but they have improved a lot. Although 1GB can be slow with
Vista, it is okay for the Vista home basic edition and one can always
expand the memory in future. I bought the system yesterday and so for
it is working great! Although I am yet to make configurational changes
to JAWS and let's how it works. Also the usage of flash disk as the
memory booster is something that I am going to try out and I already
have a 4GB flash disk and if it works well, then I'll allot it solely
for that purpose. Let's see how it works and I'll keep you all posted.

Thanks again.

Vetri.

On 16/11/2007, Manish Agrawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bottom line: not very good.
> A Celeron processor just doesn't have the power to drive vista.
> 1 gb ram is not sufficient for vista either (or for a lot of new software) -
> go for 2 gb.
> 80 gb hard disk is something most vendors replace with 120 or 160 gb for
> free these days.
>
> Look at lenovo R series laptops if you have someone who can get you one from
> the US. I saw some very good deals on good config lenovos while shopping
> around for someone.
>
> Regards,
> Manish
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam
> Vetrivel Murugan
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:40 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] Your views on the following configuration
>
> See below:
>
> Compaq Presario Notebook Computer 80GB, DVD Writer, Wireless, 15.4"
> VISTA Widescreen LaptopOne Year WarrantyPerformance
> NotebookMicrosoft(R) Vista(tm) Basic.
>
>
> Intel(R) Celeron(R) M Processor
>
> 15.4" WXGA High-Definition Brightview Widescreen Display
>
> 1GB MB DDR RAM
>
> 80 GB Harddrive
>
> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator
>
> 8x DVD+/-RW
>
> 802.11b/g WLAN
>
> PCMCIA/Express Card Slots
>
> 6-Cell Lithium Ion Battery
>
> Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Vista Home Basic
>
> Features
>
> Microprocessor
>
> 1.60 GHz Intel(R) Celeron(R) M Processor 520
>
> Microprocessor Cache
>
> 1MB L2 Cache
>
> Memory
>
> 512MB DDR2 System Memory (1 Dimm)
>
> Video Graphics
>
> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (shared)
>
> Hard Drive
>
> 80GB (5400RPM) Hard Drive (SATA)
>
> Multimedia Drive
>
> Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support
>
> Display
>
> 15.4" WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800)
>
> Fax/Modem
>
> High speed 56k modem
>
> Network Card
>
> Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
>
> Wireless Connectivity
>
> 802.11b/g WLAN
>
> Sound
>
> Altec Lansing
>
> Keyboard
>
> 101-key compatible
>
> Pointing Device
>
> Touch Pad with dedicated vertical and horizontal Scroll Up/Down pad
>
> External Ports
>
> * 2 Universal Serial Bus USB 2.0
> * 1 VGA (15-pin)
> * 1 RJ-11 (modem)
> * 1 TV-Out (S-video)
> * 1 RJ -45 (LAN)
> * 1 headphone-out
> * 1 microphone-in
>
> Dimensions
>
> 14.1"(L) x 10.2" (W) 1.38"(min H) /1.77"(max H)
>
> Weight
>
> 6.6 lbs
>
> Security
>
> * Kensington(R) MicroSaver lock slot
> * Power-on password
> * Accepts 3rd party security lock devices
>
> Power
>
> * 65W AC Adapter
> * 6-Cell Lithium-Ion battery
>
>
> Software
>
> Operating System:
>
> Genuine Windows(R) Vista Home Basic
>
> Security and Support:
>
> Symantec(R) Norton Internet Security 2007 (including 60 days
> complimentary live update)
>
> HP Total Care Help & Support Center
>
> PC Recovery (Softthinks Restore Solution)
>
> Wireless Home Network
>
> Multimedia:
>
> Vongo
>
> HP PhotoSmart Essentials
>
> HP DVD Play
>
> Muvee AutoProducer Basic Edition
>
> RealRhapsody
>
> Roxio Creator 9 Basic
>
> Snapfish
>
> Adobe(R) Acrobat Reader
>
> Productivity and Finance:
>
> Microsoft (R) Works
>
> Microsoft(R) Office 2007 Student and Teacher Edition: 60 Day Trial Version
>
> Internet Solutions:
>
> AOL(R) Dial-Up
>
> Microsoft(R) Internet Explorer
>
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[AI] Episode 29 of Eyeway Yeh Hai Roshni Ka Karawan

[Pranay Gadodia]

Dear friends,
Pls delete my previous email on accessindia as the episode number in the 
subject line was wrong.


Jagdish Chander of Delhi is yet another person who testifies that success or 
growth is dependent on one's intelligence and willpower, and one's blindness 
does not become obstacle to it. He is in the final stages of completing his 
Ph.D from Syracuse university of the US, and currently is a lecturer of 
political science in Hindu college in Delhi. Know more about this modest person 
at the outset in episode 29.

 

Braille script has built the foundation and is still enabling millions of blind 
people in their education and knowledge gathering process. In this episode 
bollywood actress Nandita Das tells us about the inventor of Braille script, 
the legend - Louis Braille.


 

Also enjoy a song sung by Rithvik Rajan, a school student from Bangalore. 
Rithvik is born blind and has good interest in music. He also performs in shows 
and concerts.




We want to remind our listeners that, If you play music, or sing, and happen to 
be visually impaired, we would be happy to show your talent to people through 
this show. For this you would have to send us a studio recorded CD of yours. On 
its approval from our panel of experts, you would be heard on 29 cities on 
vividhbharti through this programme.

 

In the advice section of the previous episode we initiated our discussion with 
Dr.Cyrus Shroff of Delhi, who is a well known retina expert. We continue 
talking to him based on the queries we have received on our helpdesk. This time 
we asked him questions about Age related macular degeneration and Diabetic 
retinopathy.

 

 

So listen and let others also know about this information, inspiration and 
entertainment packed radio show.
Episode 29 of Eyeway Yeh Hai Roshni Ka Karawan can be heard online at 
www.eyeway.org/include/radio/radio.php .  Here navigate 
down to the heading of Internet Broadcasting and click on the link of the 
Episode.

The episode would be there till 15th November  2007 Thursday morning, before 
being replaced by the subsequent episode.

Thanks and regards,


Pranay Gadodia,
Project Eyeway - A comprehensive information helpdesk on eye & blindness
Helpdesk # +91 9968 329 329 (Monday to Friday 11am to 5pm)

C/o Score Foundation.
125-B, Shahpur Jat,
New Delhi - 110 049 INDIA.

Mobile: +91 98917 91089
Office Phone: +91 - 11 - 2649 4582/81
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[AI] (no subject)

[chandru shekar]

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Re: [AI] online jobs?

[akhil . akhil29]

no dear syed I think there is huge amount of scammes and frauds, but
at least 10 to 15% are believable .
anyway how's going in banglor?
takecare and bye, akhilesh

On 11/15/07, v.t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hai friend,
>
>thks 4 ur suggestion 2 my friend benjamin and could pls were r u from?.
>   Also visti this site and pls give ur reflection: www.parttimeworld.com
>
>   Awaiting ur reply
>
>   rds
>   v.t
>
> Syed Imran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Dear friend,
>
> These are my views regarding online jobs:
> Leagaly there's nothing called "Online job" which will let you work from
> your home. Never and ever trust the persons who tell you that they are going
> to offer you an online job that'll make you rich by 100, 1000, or 1 lakh
> dollars.
> Forget about 100 dollars, you can't even get a single coin into your pocket!
>
> With best regards
> Syed Imran
> - Original Message -
> From: "vinod benjamin"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:10 AM
> Subject: [AI] online jobs?
>
>
> > my dear group,
> > Greetings to all, i am a person with a low vision, i am surching for my
> > job, so can any one tel me about types of online jobs, because i dont know
> > any thing about it, can i yearn through net,i surf a lot but i not getting
> > idea about the online jobs, and i find a term called "pay pal" i dont know
> > about that also,so can any one thro light on this?
> >
> > thanking in anticipation,
> >
> > benji
> >
> >
> > -
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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Harish Kotian]

Hi Dipendra and all

I fully agree with you. We shall not have any more thread relating to 
Vachak.

I have not used this product, but, has it fully stabilised? I understand, 
they have stopped development work. What happens to those who have paid for 
it?

 Unfortunately, it is also true projects out here don't reach fully towards 
its stated goals.
 True, this is a chicken and egg situation. I really don't know which 
business model shall get us out from this impass.

 Harish.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dipendra manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!


>I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions.
>
> We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any time
> for developing solutions for us.
>
> If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
> source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can 
> stop
> living like thieves.
>
> There is no windows for Indian Languages
> There is no OCR in Indian language
> There is no decent TTS for any Indian language.
>
> This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.
>
> We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
> programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
> decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
> close down their company due to losses.
>
> We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this. Why 
> do
> you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do 
> you
> think they will be able to recover their cost here?
>
> Is Vachak so unaffordable?
>
> Dipendra Manocha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
> Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> Thanks a lot sir.
> I will try it out and tell you.
> Regards,
>
> On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the
>> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries
>> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start
>> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
>> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted
>> zip file format.
>>
>> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if
>> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with
>> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can
>> download from
>>
>> ProLicense.dat:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>>
>> ProLicense.txt:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>>
>> Now, try this out again:
>> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has
>> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files,
>> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
>> 'lang.dll'.)
>> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file
>> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the
>> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20
>> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
>> manual.def'.)
>> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any
>> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor,
>> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type
>> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>>
>> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > same here
>> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also
>> > down load it but no result
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and
>> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the
>> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
>> > >
>> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also
>> > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads:
>> > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error
>> > > The Compressed (zipped) Folder is invalid or corrupted.
>> > > OK
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Amiyo.
>> > > Cell: +91-9433464329
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>> 
>> > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM
>> > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload Vachak on
>> > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with an extra
>

Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Ramit Luthra]

Oh, gosh!
I'm  amaised with such views "Don't spread piracy".
I feel sorry for those people who are fooling themselves.
What does piracy mean? using something without being authorized for
such thing. Now, does this definition draw any line between "My
country's product" or "Other countries' product" or does it not
equally applicable on each and everything regardless of its cost
(whether cheap or expensive)? I just want to pos a simple Q to all of
us; are we not doing piracy in one way or the other? Pirated screen
readers, EBooks, OS, softwares... Too mutch pirated life we are
living. But when the table turns to us; when we're struck by this
sheer activity, we start railing against. At this moment, I remember
one of the Gandhi ji's teachings, Once a mother came to Gandi ji with
his sun. She told to him that her sun ate Gud too much and requested
him for the solution. Gandhi ji asked her to come to him after 15
days. The lady came again exactly after 15 days, Gandhi ji then told
his sun 'My sun, don't eat too much Gud, it's not good for health.'
The lady asked Gandhi ji 'You could tell the same  even last time?'
Gandhi ji replied 'I could not because I also used to eat much Gud
till that time.'

Ideally I'm too against piracy. To me, crime is crime whether small or
big, less detrimental or greater destructive. But I think I cannot, or
for that matter, do not have the right to stop others for something
that I also do in one way or the other.

As far as why isn't the development regarding our indigenous needs
being taken place is concerned, what I have observed is that it's not
due to the lack of money, but due to the lack of commitment by those
people who are indulged in such projects. Every year, government/NGO's
spend milions for such development, but for what, an open source ml
editor/screen reader/TTS/IME/Dictionary with lot of errors and
unfriendly broken interface? Those who manage such projects, just pull
the development for next and next phase (unless the funds are being
stopped), fill their pockets, and ultimately, produce softDust which
remains only in the record files, on freely distributed CDs, but never
last for more than few days on systems for use.

Sorry for my blatant parlance. I was just expressing my views, not attacking.



On 11/16/07, SriniBrothers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I too agree with Dipendra and Manish. In fact, this could be one reason
> why there's delay for development of assistive technology / barrier-free
> environment in our country.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manish Agrawal
> Sent: 16 November 2007 23:22
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> I completely agree with Dipendra on this. We get what we deserve and the
> reason we don't get any development of accessibility solutions in India
> is because we think we can get away with stealing while someone else
> does the hard work.
> ...or maybe we are so used to living off of charity that we believe
> everything should be free for us just because we are disadvantaged in
> some way.
>
> Regards,
> Manish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dipendra
> manocha
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions.
>
> We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any
> time
> for developing solutions for us.
>
> If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
> source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can
> stop
> living like thieves.
>
> There is no windows for Indian Languages
> There is no OCR in Indian language
> There is no decent TTS for any Indian language.
>
> This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.
>
> We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
> programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
> decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
> close down their company due to losses.
>
> We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this.
> Why do
> you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do
> you
> think they will be able to recover their cost here?
>
> Is Vachak so unaffordable?
>
> Dipendra Manocha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
> Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> Thanks a lot sir.
> I will try it out and tell you.
> Regards,
>
> On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the
> > file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries
> >

Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[LSanjay]

I never heard a case wherein a company has become bankrupt due to piracy. 
Though I am not the user of above mentioned application, developers of such 
applications need not to discourage themselves,They can still make 
profit.
 


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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Dipendra manocha]

Prologix has already stopped working on this project. There is no further
work going on on this TTS since they have encurred heavy losses on this.
Work is suppose to resume only when they see any benefit in this. 

Other thing is that companies who are not in business, we never come to know
about them or we do not talk about them any more 
Dipendra


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: 17 November 2007 12:05
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

I never heard a case wherein a company has become bankrupt due to piracy. 
Though I am not the user of above mentioned application, developers of such 
applications need not to discourage themselves,They can still make 
profit.
 


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[AI] CNN IBN

[Pamnani]

Watch 2 of our visually challenge Friends on CNN IBN programme "Live it Up" 
Yasmin Sahani is an artist and Siddharth Sharma runs his own PR Company. 

timings of the show
12.30 noon on Saturday 17th November 2007
2.30 pm on Sunday 18th November 2007
4.30pm onThursday 22nd November 2007
 
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.


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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Dipendra manocha]

I have had many first hand experiences with companies while trying quality
products at affordable cost. The experience is very clearly indicate that we
are not able to project ourselves as any market. No one expects us to
purchase any thing even if the cost of product is affordable by all means.  


Government agencies wor on project mode. Their project is to develop
prototype and not become selling agency for any product. They all expect a
commertial agency to pick up their developed product and do final production
and market and provide support services. I have not seen any commertial
company who has come forward to indulge in this activity and that is why
hundreds of very useful products and softwares are half cooked and are in
the shelves.

I have been negociating with many companies to give benefit to us. Talks has
been one of such examples. It ws due to hard work of 6 months that finally
india became the only country where talks is being sold at 1 third of its
international cost. Although it is being sold, actually it is being provided
at no profit basis since at this cost a commertial company will not be able
to sustain themselves. 

Had TTS been a profitable business, prologix could have easily continued its
development and we could have got more human sounding hindi Voice. 

It is beyond doubt that if company like Microsoft would have seen any
profitable market for Hindi version of the windows, the product would have
been with us long ago. Just reflect on this that windows Is in languages
like chinese, thai etc. but not in Hindi or any other indian language. We
all very well know that majority of our population feels comfortable working
in their own language. 

I also know that company like IBM has a fully developed hindi language voice
recognition socftware. I have seen the demo myself and it is extremely
impressive. They were aggressively looking for marketting partners for it.
No one wants to invest in marketting of any software in India.

As number of users we are very big. But as market we are very small. Whole
of our IT industry works for over seas work because it is there they find
value for their work. If you would like to ask a team of developers to
create a quality product for us, what do we have to offer to them?

Earn money from some where else, make a product for us and make it available
free of cost from your web site. Any thing more expensive than that and we
have enough brains to crack it.

To my mind there can be only two development models:

1. become a market and let development agency get attracted to the market.
2. adopt open source business model. Where development is funded and then
community joins for its further development.

I saw many mails in admiration of Dr. T.V. Raman. But how many of us
actually subscribe to his approach for software development in open source
domain?

Also the question of e-text:
We can never get books when we want them unless we work with publishers. We
are not against them but would like to protect their right too. We would
like to work for our rights also which is to get the material not as hard
copy but in our accessible format. The e-text of braille or talking book
should reach only the persons with print disability. This is our duty to
protect the copy right owner of the work that we want access to. Unless we
indulge in fare play, we would not be able to get acces to books as our
right.

Dipendra
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ramit Luthra
Sent: 17 November 2007 11:25
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

Oh, gosh!
I'm  amaised with such views "Don't spread piracy".
I feel sorry for those people who are fooling themselves.
What does piracy mean? using something without being authorized for such
thing. Now, does this definition draw any line between "My country's
product" or "Other countries' product" or does it not equally applicable on
each and everything regardless of its cost (whether cheap or expensive)? I
just want to pos a simple Q to all of us; are we not doing piracy in one way
or the other? Pirated screen readers, EBooks, OS, softwares... Too mutch
pirated life we are living. But when the table turns to us; when we're
struck by this sheer activity, we start railing against. At this moment, I
remember one of the Gandhi ji's teachings, Once a mother came to Gandi ji
with his sun. She told to him that her sun ate Gud too much and requested
him for the solution. Gandhi ji asked her to come to him after 15 days. The
lady came again exactly after 15 days, Gandhi ji then told his sun 'My sun,
don't eat too much Gud, it's not good for health.'
The lady asked Gandhi ji 'You could tell the same  even last time?'
Gandhi ji replied 'I could not because I also used to eat much Gud till that
time.'

Ideally I'm too against piracy. To me, crime is crime whether small or big,
less detrimental or greater destructive. But I think I cannot, or for that
m

Re: [AI] online jobs?

[Ramit Luthra]

Yes, but it's very difficult to fish out the legitimate one.

Paypal is a type of online bank for money transaction. It's highly
popular throughout the world for this purpose. Through Paypal, you can
send/receive money via your email ID, pay to shop online, use your
credit card securely and much more.

Regards,
Ramit


On 11/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no dear syed I think there is huge amount of scammes and frauds, but
> at least 10 to 15% are believable .
> anyway how's going in banglor?
> takecare and bye, akhilesh
>
> On 11/15/07, v.t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hai friend,
> >
> >thks 4 ur suggestion 2 my friend benjamin and could pls were r u from?.
> >   Also visti this site and pls give ur reflection: www.parttimeworld.com
> >
> >   Awaiting ur reply
> >
> >   rds
> >   v.t
> >
> > Syed Imran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   Dear friend,
> >
> > These are my views regarding online jobs:
> > Leagaly there's nothing called "Online job" which will let you work from
> > your home. Never and ever trust the persons who tell you that they are
> going
> > to offer you an online job that'll make you rich by 100, 1000, or 1 lakh
> > dollars.
> > Forget about 100 dollars, you can't even get a single coin into your
> pocket!
> >
> > With best regards
> > Syed Imran
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "vinod benjamin"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:10 AM
> > Subject: [AI] online jobs?
> >
> >
> > > my dear group,
> > > Greetings to all, i am a person with a low vision, i am surching for my
> > > job, so can any one tel me about types of online jobs, because i dont
> know
> > > any thing about it, can i yearn through net,i surf a lot but i not
> getting
> > > idea about the online jobs, and i find a term called "pay pal" i dont
> know
> > > about that also,so can any one thro light on this?
> > >
> > > thanking in anticipation,
> > >
> > > benji
> > >
> > >
> > > -
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Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

[Dipendra manocha]

Hello Harish
Vchak with SAFA is fully stablised . Both versions of Vachak are working
with SAFA. Different keyboard layouts have also been introduced. SAFA is
freely downloadable with e-speak from nabdelhi web site. How ever, for
Vachak license the license fee needs to be paid.

Thus we are committed to provide combined support on SAFA and Vachak being
given along with SAFa.

Thanks
Dipendra


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish Kotian
Sent: 17 November 2007 10:36
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!

Hi Dipendra and all

I fully agree with you. We shall not have any more thread relating to
Vachak.

I have not used this product, but, has it fully stabilised? I understand,
they have stopped development work. What happens to those who have paid for
it?

 Unfortunately, it is also true projects out here don't reach fully towards
its stated goals.
 True, this is a chicken and egg situation. I really don't know which
business model shall get us out from this impass.

 Harish.


- Original Message -
From: "Dipendra manocha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!


>I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions.
>
> We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any time
> for developing solutions for us.
>
> If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open
> source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we can 
> stop
> living like thieves.
>
> There is no windows for Indian Languages
> There is no OCR in Indian language
> There is no decent TTS for any Indian language.
>
> This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy.
>
> We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of 4
> programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If Prologix
> decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or force them to
> close down their company due to losses.
>
> We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this. Why 
> do
> you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? Do 
> you
> think they will be able to recover their cost here?
>
> Is Vachak so unaffordable?
>
> Dipendra Manocha
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain
> Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>
> Thanks a lot sir.
> I will try it out and tell you.
> Regards,
>
> On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the
>> file with the extention .zip because else files are just subsidiaries
>> of this main file. And yes you should extract the main file to start
>> the installation. It will automatically extract all the subsidiaries.
>> Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support splitted
>> zip file format.
>>
>> Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if
>> you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with
>> me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can
>> download from
>>
>> ProLicense.dat:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k
>>
>> ProLicense.txt:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn
>>
>> Now, try this out again:
>> 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has
>> been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 files,
>> some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll',
>> 'lang.dll'.)
>> 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm file
>> replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to the
>> program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than 20
>> files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user
>> manual.def'.)
>> 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any
>> replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor,
>> run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type
>> something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah!
>>
>> If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > same here
>> > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also
>> > down load it but no result
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift!
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and
>> > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have the
>> > > programmes associated with these types of files.
>> > >
>> > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also
>> > > inv

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