Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Mahesh Panicker]

Mr. Verma, thanks for the clarification.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:
> Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS only.
> Kamal Verma
> - Original Message - From: "Mahesh Panicker"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
> > good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
> > one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
> > phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
> > and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
> > so that people need not blaim the organization itself.
> >
> > On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:
> >
> > > Welcome Sir!
> > > - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"
> > > 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
> > > > (Smile)
> > > > No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
> > > central banker!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
> > > Him."
> > > >
> > > >   --Arthur C. Clarke
> > > >
> > > > (Rajesh Asudani)
> > > >
> > > > Assistant General Manager,
> > > > Reserve Bank of India
> > > > Nagpur
> > > > 09420397185
> > > > O: 0712 2806676
> > > > Res: 0712 2591349
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> > > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Kamal Verma
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
> > > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> > > > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
> > > >
> > > > How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.
> > > >
> > > > Kamal Verma
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
> > > > To: "access india" 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hello accessindia!
> > > >
> > > > i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in
> > the
> > > > interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
> > > > please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the
> > > circular.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > bhawani
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements from the 
website.
Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more than Rs. 
5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked by any 
other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card statements?
I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the requirement of 
mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20 Thousand.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS only.
Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
> one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
> phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
> and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
> so that people need not blaim the organization itself.
>
> On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:
>> Welcome Sir!
>> - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>
>>
>> > Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
>> > (Smile)
>> > No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
>> central banker!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
>> Him."
>> >
>> >   --Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> > (Rajesh Asudani)
>> >
>> > Assistant General Manager,
>> > Reserve Bank of India
>> > Nagpur
>> > 09420397185
>> > O: 0712 2806676
>> > Res: 0712 2591349
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
>> Of Kamal Verma
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
>> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>> >
>> > How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.
>> >
>> > Kamal Verma
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
>> > To: "access india" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
>> > Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>> >
>> >
>> > hello accessindia!
>> >
>> > i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in
>> > the
>> > interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
>> > please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the
>> circular.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > bhawani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > DISCLAIMER:
>> >
>> >
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>> > It
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[AI] AI Blog

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Friends
It has been a while since the blog to voice our concerns and thoughts about the 
new law being drafted has become functional.
Every AI message contains its URL in signature line.
However, I have not observed anyone but a couple of beings writing anything on 
it.
I  urge everyone who thinks she / he can contribute meaningfully to the 
suggestions for committee members, to actively participate and discuss issues 
there.
Our moderator had already appealed to one and all.
I don't know why we are so apathetic when it comes to systematically presenting 
our concerns.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349





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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Kamal Verma]

Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after transaction 
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in its 
website.


Thanks.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements from 
the website.

Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more than 
Rs. 5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked by 
any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card 
statements?

I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the requirement 
of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20 
Thousand.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS only.
Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
so that people need not blaim the organization itself.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:

Welcome Sir!
- Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
> (Smile)
> No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
central banker!!!
>
>
> Regards
>
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."
>
>   --Arthur C. Clarke
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager,
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Kamal Verma
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
> How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.
>
> Kamal Verma
> - Original Message -
> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
> To: "access india" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
> Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
> hello accessindia!
>
> i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in
> the
> interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
> please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the
circular.
>
> thanks,
>
> bhawani
>
>
>
> DISCLAIMER:
>
>
> The Information transmitted in this email is solely for the addressee.
> It
is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by
anyone else is unauthorized. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or 
any
action taken by anyone other than by the intended recipient is 
prohibited

and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient then kindly
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mail may not necessarily reflect that of Punjab National Bank. The bank
considers unencrypted email as an insecure mode of communication.
>
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this

Re: [AI] Introduction from a new member!

[dinesh shukla]

this is very good that you have joined us. I welcome you. hope you will 
learn mahny things from here. next time please share what is the situation 
of VH people in America.
- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Max-Faults" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:02 AM
Subject: [AI] Introduction from a new member!







Hello All,

I
just joined the list, and I thought I would write and introduce myself. My 
name
is Steven. I’m a blind college student from New York. I am studying 
Psychology,
but I also like history and literature. My hobbies are reading, listening 
to music,
hanging out with friends, traveling and learning new things. I would like 
to

make some new friends on here!



My
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because it’s
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all

around India. Also, I don’t speak any Indian languages (only English and
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also, I would just like to get to know everyone!



Thanks,

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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Asudani, Rajesh]

So, I can read my statement online.
I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a functioning Personal computer 
with screen reader installed on it and with active internet connection! and 
also that I ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a gadget to read my 
statement!

And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and ask anyone to read 
out the messages, they cannot know anything but the amount of transaction and 
date thereof.
It is not possible to forge card details from it.


My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or wrong", and do not 
justify any arbitrary conditions merely because your own institution prescribes 
them, or they are high-sounding technological gadgets which we want to make 
compulsory.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after transaction
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in its
website.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
 - Original Message -
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements from
> the website.
> Online checking is also possible.
> Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more than
> Rs. 5000.
> So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked by
> any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
> And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card
> statements?
> I believe it is not wise to do so.
> A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
> All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the requirement
> of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20
> Thousand.
>
>
> Regards
>
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
> Him."
>
>--Arthur C. Clarke
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager,
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
> Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS only.
> Kamal Verma
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
>> good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
>> one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
>> phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
>> and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
>> so that people need not blaim the organization itself.
>>
>> On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:
>>> Welcome Sir!
>>> - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>>
>>>
>>> > Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
>>> > (Smile)
>>> > No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
>>> central banker!!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
>>> Him."
>>> >
>>> >   --Arthur C. Clarke
>>> >
>>> > (Rajesh Asudani)
>>> >
>>> > Assistant General Manager,
>>> > Reserve Bank of India
>>> > Nagpur
>>> > 09420397185
>>> > O: 0712 2806676
>>> > Res: 0712 2591349
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
>>> Of Kamal Verma
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
>>> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>> >
>>> > How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.
>>> >
>>> > Kamal Verma
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
>>> > To: "access india" 
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
>>> > Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > hello accessindia!
>>> >

Re: [AI] Braille on computer.

[sachit sahrawat]

Dear Kuldeep!

I am aware of one software which converts your braille strokes in
print.  But, this is for Hindi, namely 'Braille Face'.  For more about
this software, you can contact Mr. Satvir Singh, who has designed this
software and Mr. Keshav Kumar.  I am providing the phone numbers of
both these people.  They are selling this software for around Rs.2000.

Satvir Singh  +919968292373

Keshav Kumar  +919968295433

On 6/3/10, Kuldeep Kumar  wrote:
> Dear friends, Tell me about the software on whitch we write in braille on
> keyboard and  it converts in ink on screne. Is this available at free of
> cost? Thanking you.
>
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>  wrote:
>
>> From: accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
>> 
>> Subject: AccessIndia Digest, Vol 50, Issue 13
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Date: Wednesday, 2 June, 2010, 7:00 PM
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>>1. Re: Specific Command In Outlook
>> Express (Ashwani Jassal)
>>2. Re: Credit card facility for visually
>> challenged persons.
>>   (navneet)
>>3. Re: Introduction from a new member!
>> (Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan)
>>4. Re: Need real speak voice for nokia
>> n73
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:30:47 +0530
>> From: "Ashwani Jassal" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Specific Command In Outlook Express
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Control U will serve the purpose.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>> On Behalf Of Dr. Yogesh
>> Sharma
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:08 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] Specific Command In Outlook Express
>>
>> Hi friends, hope all are doing great. I am using Office XP
>> and JAWS 10. Is
>> there any specific command in Outlook Express which would
>> take me directly
>> to the next unread message in Outlook Express Message List?
>> please suggest
>> and oblige. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> With ice creamy regards, [Smile],
>>  Yours sincerely,
>> Yogesh Sharma.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:42:37 +0530
>> From: "navneet" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Credit card facility for visually
>> challenged
>> persons.
>> Message-ID:
>> <006101cb027f$32d3baf0$0201a...@indorec3d386da>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
>> charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> hello sir
>> please send me the both two circulars on e mail i d
>> dubeynavne...@gmail.com
>> navneet dubey
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dinesh gujar" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:00 PM
>> Subject: [AI] Credit card facility for visually challenged
>> persons.
>>
>>
>> > Dear list Members,
>> > I am pleased to share with all of you that Punjab
>> National Bank has issued
>> > Circular no.8 from its Credit Card Venture Division
>> permitting the VIs for
>> > credit card facility. If any one of you needs the copy
>> of the circular,
>> > please send me email.
>> >
>> > As regaards chequebook, I have chequebook and using
>> the same for all the
>> > purposes I need for last 10 years. There is no risk if
>> we keep our record
>> > under our own control.
>> > with best regards,
>> >
>> >
>> > DINESH GUJAR
>> > MANAGER
>> > PUNJAB NATIONAL BANK
>> > JAIPUR302015
>> > 9799496296
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>> > disability bill at:
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[AI] request for teaching job

[preeti]

Hello accessindia I am a low vision person and I have knowledge of computer. I 
have also done advanced course of computer. Please tell me if any job of 
teaching is there or anyone knows any teaching job because I am interested in 
teaching computer.
Thanks
(preeti)
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Re: [AI] request for teaching job

[Kiran S Deshpande]

Hi Preeti,

I guess there is a vacancy at the Poona school for the Blind at kothrud. If
u are ok i can cross check Pls reply

Regards,

Kiran

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:26 PM, preeti  wrote:

> Hello accessindia I am a low vision person and I have knowledge of
> computer. I have also done advanced course of computer. Please tell me if
> any job of teaching is there or anyone knows any teaching job because I am
> interested in teaching computer.
> Thanks
> (preeti)
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> disability bill at:
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[AI] Braille on computer.

[Kuldeep Kumar]

rg.in 
 sutch kind of software free of software free of cost to blind persons who are 
poor and can not pay. My son is also blind and nobody co-operates him for his 
schooling. He studies in a sighted school. mobile--0091 9855596044>Dear Sachin, 
I knew all about this software. But I want to provide any kind of sutch  
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>    1. Re: Introduction from a new member!
> (dinesh shukla)
>    2. Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> CUSTOMERS (Asudani, Rajesh)
>    3. Re: Braille on computer. (sachit
> sahrawat)
>    4. request for teaching job (preeti)
>    5. Re: request for teaching job (Kiran S
> Deshpande)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:52:11 -0700
> From: "dinesh shukla" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> Message-ID:
> <8e3d82b59159403ab2ea520826e5e...@dineshaf2b68c5>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>     reply-type=original
> 
> this is very good that you have joined us. I welcome you.
> hope you will 
> learn mahny things from here. next time please share what
> is the situation 
> of VH people in America.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steven Max-Faults" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:02 AM
> Subject: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I
> > just joined the list, and I thought I would write and
> introduce myself. My 
> > name
> > is Steven. I?m a blind college student from New York.
> I am studying 
> > Psychology,
> > but I also like history and literature. My hobbies are
> reading, listening 
> > to music,
> > hanging out with friends, traveling and learning new
> things. I would like 
> > to
> > make some new friends on here!
> >
> >
> >
> > My
> > ancestors are Indian, and I?ve always wanted to visit
> the homeland. I 
> > would
> > really like to come to India and volunteer in a school
> for the blind. Does
> > anyone have any advice for me? I kind of saw myself
> going to Mumbai 
> > because it?s
> > Mumbai, but I really don?t mind where I go. There are
> just so many schools 
> > all
> > around India. Also, I don?t speak any Indian languages
> (only English and
> > French). Do you think this would be a problem? Please
> help if you can. But
> > also, I would just like to get to know everyone!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steven
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven Max-Faults
> >
> >
> >
> > stevema...@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> > +1 917 865 6953
> > (Mobile)
> >
> >
> >
> > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights
> of persons with 
> > disability bill at:
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> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 13:52:34 +0530
> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
> To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in"
> 
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> CUSTOMERS
> Message-ID:
>     <9b925a6d2aa0e443b071cfdabb3748e11fdd6f5...@rbiexch01.rbi1.rbi.org.in>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> So, I can read my statement online.
> I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a
> functioning Personal computer with screen reader installed
> on it and with active internet connection! and also that I
> ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a gadget to read
> my statement!
> 
> And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and
> ask anyone to read out the messages, they cannot know
> anything but the amount of transaction and date thereof.
> It is not possible to forge card details from it.
> 
> 
> My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or
> wrong", and do not justify any arbitrary conditions merely
> because your own institution prescribes them, or they are
> high-sounding technological gadgets which we want to make
> compulsory.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God--
> but to create Him."
> 
>                
>                
>  

Re: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

[Subramani L]

That would depend on the sport. Let me explain... Tennis is the easiet
of games to observe for the blind since you will know the basic
information -the score- from the chair umpire. If the ball goes out, the
linesman yells it out for you... All that you need to ask is what kind
of shots has been played -for instance, forehand crosscourt winner, drop
shot, lob, drop volley etc... You can ask that from fellow journalists
and from those sitting next to you. In fact, cricket is becoming so
obviously visual -what with all the stump vision cameras and TV umpires-
a commentator can talk virtually blind-fold!! If you have a good
knowledge of the game it is possible to commentate live. Remember, you
will not be the only guy sitting in the box... You will have a
co-commentator who can compensate for things you can't describe. 

Subramani 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:20 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

Dear Subramani
Reporting for newspapers is another thing, and giving live commentary is
altogether another!
He may surely add "Color" by his acute auditory observations and mammoth
knowledge, but he cannot render accurate and reliable live commentary of
cricket.
Many a times, achievements of VI are portrayed as if sight is a minor
sense or entity which can be easily substituted by other senses.

For example, drawings of VI are projected as real masterpieces, or their
ability to recognize color by touching a thing is supposed to be an
attribute commonly prevalent.
I would like to hear his live commentary sometimes.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

Why not? I have reported on ATP tennis tournaments for newspapers? It's
about observation and not about seeing.

Subramani



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashwani
Jassal
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:10 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

Unbelievable

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:23 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

I don't agree.
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of prateek
aggarwal
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:59 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] he proved nothing is impossible

folks,
please read below an interesting article about a man who has done
something
incredible.
as we say nothing is impossible, this man has proved it.
have a look to his inspiring story, and try doing something incredible
in
the field that you are in.

i'm  highly inspired, hope you too will.


---
Zimbabwe's blind cricket commentator Dean du Plessis bowls audiences for
six

Jan Raath in Harare

Dean du Plessis

It's a rare mix that makes a good cricket commentator: erudite
descriptions
of action, comprehensive knowledge of great players, faultless recall of
statistics, and needle-sharp sense of timing and judgment.

Zimbabwean-born Dean du Plessis, 32, has all these attributes and has
been
delivering commentaries on matches for nine years. But he has never seen
a
game in his life, because his green eyes are glass. He was born blind,
with
tumours on his retinas.

That has been no obstacle to him sharing the commentary box in Tests,
one-day and Twenty20 tournaments involving all the Test-playing nations
in
worldwide radio broadcasts.

He has worked with the likes of Tony Cozier (who pronounced Dean's
delivery
"very smooth"), Geoffrey Boycott ("the nastiest person I have ever
met"),
Ravi Shastri and Australia's former spin bowler Bruce Yardley, who
himself
lost an eye. In 2004 the two became the first team to deliver a
commentary
with a single eye between them.

Mr du Plessis's accentuated sense of hearing makes up for being
sightless.
Wired up to the stump microphones, he can tell who is bowling from the
footfalls and grunts, a medium or fast delivery by the length of time
between the bowler's foot coming down and the impact of the ball on the
pitch.
He picks up
a yorker from the sound of the bat ramming down on the ball, can tell i

Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[mahendra]

i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the 
stors and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either 
unused,  misused or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is 
quite old. better option is apply credit card facility if you want 
with PNB. you can quote the circular if they deny such facility. no 
one can defame the entire organisation, if one particular case is 
wrongly treated. thousands of rape committed daily, should we blame 
the entire male population of our country? numbers of false cases 
registered under IPC498A, should we blame the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of transaction
happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for applying
for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a central
banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in the
interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the circular.

thanks,

bhawani



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[AI] Co-operation for litle blind children.

[Kuldeep Kumar]

Dear friends, I have a litle blind son. His age is near about seven years. I 
had admited him in a blind school Patiyala. But there was not any kind of 
co-operation for him. Schools registered his name and did not allow him to sit 
in class for showing their helplesnes. Nowadays he stidies in a sighted school 
and verry good in his studies. I request you to close all these frod shops. 
Please help me regarding this mater. I am blind music lecturer working in 
Khalsa colege Patiyala. Mobile--0091 9855596044 

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 wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:23:11 +0530 (IST)
> From: Kuldeep Kumar 
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] Braille on computer.
> Message-ID: <702226.30952...@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> rg.in 
>  sutch kind of software free of software free of cost to
> blind persons who are poor and can not pay. My son is also
> blind and nobody co-operates him for his schooling. He
> studies in a sighted school. mobile--0091 9855596044>Dear
> Sachin, I knew all about this software. But I want to
> provide any kind of sutch  Subject: AccessIndia Digest,
> Vol 50, Issue 17
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> > (dinesh shukla)
> > ???2. Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> > CUSTOMERS (Asudani, Rajesh)
> > ???3. Re: Braille on computer. (sachit
> > sahrawat)
> > ???4. request for teaching job (preeti)
> > ???5. Re: request for teaching job (Kiran S
> > Deshpande)
> > 
> > 
> >
> --
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:52:11 -0700
> > From: "dinesh shukla" 
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <8e3d82b59159403ab2ea520826e5e...@dineshaf2b68c5>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="utf-8";
> > ??? reply-type=original
> > 
> > this is very good that you have joined us. I welcome
> you.
> > hope you will 
> > learn mahny things from here. next time please share
> what
> > is the situation 
> > of VH people in America.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Steven Max-Faults" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:02 AM
> > Subject: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I
> > > just joined the list, and I thought I would write
> and
> > introduce myself. My 
> > > name
> > > is Steven. I?m a blind college student from New
> York.
> > I am studying 
> > > Psychology,
> > > but I also like history and literature. My
> hobbies are
> > reading, listening 
> > > to music,
> > > hanging out with friends, traveling and learning
> new
> > things. I would like 
> > > to
> > > make some new friends on here!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My
> > > ancestors are Indian, and I?ve always wanted to
> visit
> > the homeland. I 
> > > would
> > > really like to come to India and volunteer in a
> school
> > for the blind. Does
> > > anyone have any advice for me? I kind of saw
> myself
> > going to Mumbai 
> > > because it?s
> > > Mumbai, but I really don?t mind where I go. There
> are
> > just so many schools 
> > > all
> > > around India. Also, I don?t speak any Indian
> languages
> > (only English and
> > > French). Do you think this would be a problem?
> Please
> > help if you can. But
> > 

Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Amiyo Biswas]

So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and which 
banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a bit nervous. 
They always barrage me with questions.


With Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329

- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors 
and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused 
or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better 
option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote 
the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire 
organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of rape 
committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our 
country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame 
the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. 
Hence

we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must possess 
a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction

happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying

for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, 
Rajesh

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a 
central

banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in the
interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the 
circular.


thanks,

bhawani



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Re: [AI] Co-operation for litle blind children.

[George Abraham]

Would request you to focus on providing opportunities for your son. You are 
lucky that your son is doing well in the mainstream school. It is not worth 
the while wasting your time on wrong doers. They will find themselves in 
trouble in good time.

Regards,

George
George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107, Basement,
Vikram Vihar, Lajpatnagar 4,
New Delhi 110024
India
Ph: 91 11 26472581
Telefax: 91 11 26472582
Mob: 91 9810934040/91 9810001181
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Website: www.eyeway.org
Skype: georgeabraham13
Twitter: georgebhai


- Original Message - 
From: "Kuldeep Kumar" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: [AI] Co-operation for litle blind children.


Dear friends, I have a litle blind son. His age is near about seven years. I 
had admited him in a blind school Patiyala. But there was not any kind of 
co-operation for him. Schools registered his name and did not allow him to 
sit in class for showing their helplesnes. Nowadays he stidies in a sighted 
school and verry good in his studies. I request you to close all these frod 
shops. Please help me regarding this mater. I am blind music lecturer 
working in Khalsa colege Patiyala. Mobile--0091 9855596044

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 wrote:

> From: accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in 
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> Subject: AccessIndia Digest, Vol 50, Issue 18
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> Send AccessIndia mailing list
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 15:23:11 +0530 (IST)
> From: Kuldeep Kumar 
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] Braille on computer.
> Message-ID: <702226.30952...@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> rg.in 
>  sutch kind of software free of software free of cost to
> blind persons who are poor and can not pay. My son is also
> blind and nobody co-operates him for his schooling. He
> studies in a sighted school. mobile--0091 9855596044>Dear
> Sachin, I knew all about this software. But I want to
> provide any kind of sutch Subject: AccessIndia Digest,
> Vol 50, Issue 17
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> > (dinesh shukla)
> > ???2. Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> > CUSTOMERS (Asudani, Rajesh)
> > ???3. Re: Braille on computer. (sachit
> > sahrawat)
> > ???4. request for teaching job (preeti)
> > ???5. Re: request for teaching job (Kiran S
> > Deshpande)
> >
> >
> >
> --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:52:11 -0700
> > From: "dinesh shukla" 
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <8e3d82b59159403ab2ea520826e5e...@dineshaf2b68c5>
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> > ??? reply-type=original
> >
> > this is very good that you have joined us. I welcome
> you.
> > hope you will
> > learn mahny things from here. next time please share
> what
> > is the situation
> > of VH people in America.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Steven Max-Faults" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:02 AM
> > Subject: [AI] Introduction from a new member!
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I
> > > just joined the list, and I thought I would write
> and
> > introduce myself. My
> > > name
> > > is Steven. I?m a blind college student from New
> York.
> > I am studying
> > > Psychology,
> > > but I also like history and literature. My
> hobbies are
> > reading, listening
> > > to music,
> > > hanging out with friends, traveling and learning
> new
> > things

Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Kamal Verma]

Who denies ATM card to the blind? Do you know, ATM card can also be used in 
stores and restaurants? CVV No. of credit card is not required while paying 
the bills in stores and restaurants.
- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors 
and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused 
or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better 
option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote 
the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire 
organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of rape 
committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our 
country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame 
the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. 
Hence

we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must possess 
a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction

happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying

for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, 
Rajesh

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a 
central

banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in the
interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the 
circular.


thanks,

bhawani



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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Kamal Verma]

Let the people file a litigation with the Ombudsman against PNB that how a 
blind can afford such expensive devices in a poor country like ours. But 
they still need credit cards. Let us see what the Ombudsman decides.

Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



So, I can read my statement online.
I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a functioning Personal 
computer with screen reader installed on it and with active internet 
connection! and also that I ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a 
gadget to read my statement!


And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and ask anyone to 
read out the messages, they cannot know anything but the amount of 
transaction and date thereof.

It is not possible to forge card details from it.


My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or wrong", and do not 
justify any arbitrary conditions merely because your own institution 
prescribes them, or they are high-sounding technological gadgets which we 
want to make compulsory.




Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after transaction
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in its
website.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements from
the website.
Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more 
than

Rs. 5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked by
any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card
statements?
I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the requirement
of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20
Thousand.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."

   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS 
only.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
so that people need not blaim the organization itself.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:

Welcome Sir!
- Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
> (Smile)
> No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
central banker!!!
>
>
> Regards
>
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to 
> create

Him."
>
>   --Arthur C. Clarke
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager,
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Kamal Verma
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
> How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.
>
> Kamal Verma
> - Original Message -
> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
> To: "access india" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010

Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Kamal Verma]

Dear Amiyo,

People want facilities at their convinience and conditions. They cannot 
afford the technology, but they still need facilities. A blind is supposed 
to be a Mahatma in the society. But, now, a blind is greater than god. We 
have to fulfil their needs and conditions at any cost at their convenience 
only. This is the moral of this story.


Regards.
Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and 
which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a bit 
nervous. They always barrage me with questions.


With Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329

- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors 
and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused 
or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better 
option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote 
the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire 
organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of 
rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our 
country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame 
the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. 
Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any 
irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a 
particular

employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than 
the

rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must 
possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction

happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying

for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, 
Rajesh

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a 
central

banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in 
the

interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the 
circular.


thanks,

bhawani



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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Subramani L]

You are making me laugh -at the misfortune of the blind. First of, PNB
has given an order which is laudable for the intentions, but still we
need to see how many branch managers understand its implications and
come forward to provide it. After all, accepting credit crd applications
is unr the discretion of the branch manager and at least a few of them
are sure to make our lives difficult. I don't know why you are stuck
with the idea that people are saying something against PNB. The issue
actually is that the whole banking sector is awashed with ignorance and
severe mental block against the blind. As mentioned, no one is pointing
fingers at your bank. We may appreciate PNB for the credit card scheme,
but that is not going to change the reality that there is widespread
discrimination against the blind in banking sector. 

Subramani 



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Dear Amiyo,

People want facilities at their convinience and conditions. They cannot 
afford the technology, but they still need facilities. A blind is
supposed 
to be a Mahatma in the society. But, now, a blind is greater than god.
We 
have to fulfil their needs and conditions at any cost at their
convenience 
only. This is the moral of this story.

Regards.
Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and 
> which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a
bit 
> nervous. They always barrage me with questions.
>
> With Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas.
> Cell: 91-9433464329
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "mahendra" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
>>i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
>> wiche is more risky?
>> i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the
stors 
>> and restorences then with ATM.
>> one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
>> no such need with ATM!!.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,
misused 
>>>or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better

>>>option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can
quote 
>>>the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire

>>>organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of

>>>rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of
our 
>>>country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we
blame 
>>>the entire female society?
>>>
>>>- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
>>>To: 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>>
>>>
Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths.

Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any 
irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a 
particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude
towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more
often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather
than 
the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
 A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must 
 possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction
happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying
for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
 From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
Asudani, 
Rajesh
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a 
central
banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to
create 
Him."

Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[mahendra]

but one need not hand over ATM card  in the stores and restaurants
 when paying.
one only needs to punch the code on there own!!.
and ATM CVV other then, internet shopping, you don't need


At 11:54 AM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
Who denies ATM card to the blind? Do you know, ATM card can also be 
used in stores and restaurants? CVV No. of credit card is not 
required while paying the bills in stores and restaurants.

- Original Message - From: "mahendra" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the 
stors and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either 
unused,  misused or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act 
is quite old. better option is apply credit card facility if you 
want with PNB. you can quote the circular if they deny such 
facility. no one can defame the entire organisation, if one 
particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of rape committed 
daily, should we blame the entire male population of our country? 
numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame 
the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of transaction
happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite 
for applying

for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Asudani, Rajesh

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a central
banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to 
create Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in the
interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout 
of  the circular.


thanks,

bhawani



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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Subramani L]

Just to add to your noble idea of portraying the blind as "mahatmas"...
It cannot be more apt. We always talk about "mahatmas" quote and their
golden words, but conveniently forget them in the time and place where
they ought to be remembered. I guess the banks treat the blind like
"mahatmas" this way. 

Subramani 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

You are making me laugh -at the misfortune of the blind. First of, PNB
has given an order which is laudable for the intentions, but still we
need to see how many branch managers understand its implications and
come forward to provide it. After all, accepting credit crd applications
is unr the discretion of the branch manager and at least a few of them
are sure to make our lives difficult. I don't know why you are stuck
with the idea that people are saying something against PNB. The issue
actually is that the whole banking sector is awashed with ignorance and
severe mental block against the blind. As mentioned, no one is pointing
fingers at your bank. We may appreciate PNB for the credit card scheme,
but that is not going to change the reality that there is widespread
discrimination against the blind in banking sector. 

Subramani 



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Dear Amiyo,

People want facilities at their convinience and conditions. They cannot 
afford the technology, but they still need facilities. A blind is
supposed 
to be a Mahatma in the society. But, now, a blind is greater than god.
We 
have to fulfil their needs and conditions at any cost at their
convenience 
only. This is the moral of this story.

Regards.
Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and 
> which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a
bit 
> nervous. They always barrage me with questions.
>
> With Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas.
> Cell: 91-9433464329
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "mahendra" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
>>i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
>> wiche is more risky?
>> i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the
stors 
>> and restorences then with ATM.
>> one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
>> no such need with ATM!!.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,
misused 
>>>or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better

>>>option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can
quote 
>>>the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire

>>>organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of

>>>rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of
our 
>>>country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we
blame 
>>>the entire female society?
>>>
>>>- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
>>>To: 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>>
>>>
Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths.

Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any 
irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a 
particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude
towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more
often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather
than 
the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
 A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must 
 possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction
happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying
for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
 From darkness unto light


-Ori

Re: [AI] Introduction from a new member!

[gautam]

Hello Steven,

Warm welcome to this wonderful list.  I hope it will help you to know more 
about your homeland particularly the status and conditions of your blind peers 
in India.  You may or may not be aware that India is known for its hospitality 
people everywhere in  India particularly in rural parts try their best to make 
the stay of their guest most comfortable even they don’t  go beyond their 
might.  So you don't need to worry  in planning to visit India.  You will be 
welcomed every where as per your choice and convenience.  For the time being 
let us know about your study and status of the blind people in U.S in detail 
such as how do you pursue your study being a blind?  Which medium of assistive 
technology in general are used by the blind students in pursuance of their 
study.   What about the behaviour and attitude of the fellow students and 
teachers towards blind student at college and university? If it is also a 
challenge for a visually challenged person in USA to get suitable employment? 
What is the condition of social inclusion of the blind people in U.S society? 
Have you any statistic data about the population of the visually challenged 
persons in USA.  What are the key provisions of the government for the support 
of the blind people in their empowerment.  

I believe that many accessindian friends would also like to hear from you on 
all these points. 

With regards,

Gautam Prakash Agarwal
President,
NFB, Karnataka
 

  
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Steven Max-Faults
Sent: 02 June 2010 13:32
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Introduction from a new member!





Hello All,

I
just joined the list, and I thought I would write and introduce myself. My name
is Steven. I’m a blind college student from New York. I am studying Psychology,
but I also like history and literature. My hobbies are reading, listening to 
music,
hanging out with friends, traveling and learning new things. I would like to
make some new friends on here! 

 

My
ancestors are Indian, and I’ve always wanted to visit the homeland. I would
really like to come to India and volunteer in a school for the blind. Does
anyone have any advice for me? I kind of saw myself going to Mumbai because it’s
Mumbai, but I really don’t mind where I go. There are just so many schools all
around India. Also, I don’t speak any Indian languages (only English and
French). Do you think this would be a problem? Please help if you can. But
also, I would just like to get to know everyone!

 

Thanks,

Steven

 

Steven Max-Faults

 

stevema...@yahoo.com

 

+1 917 865 6953
(Mobile)


  
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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

no discrimination for debit card also. numbers of blind customers of PNB 
using its ATM card.
- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors 
and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.






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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

no sir, you need not to be frustrated with banks. it is just because of 
awareness. if one can use so called media to register their objection, why 
it should not be used for awearness campaign? not only in banks, even blind 
studnets face difficulty to get admission in colleges, traveling, or other 
more services. in my opinion, first try to convince the officials of any 
department, where a blind person want to obtain services. if the officials 
shows law, then we have also number of laws.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and 
which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a bit 
nervous. They always barrage me with questions.


With Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329

- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
wiche is more risky?
i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors 
and restorences then with ATM.

one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
no such need with ATM!!.



At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused 
or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better 
option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote 
the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire 
organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of 
rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our 
country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame 
the entire female society?


- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths. 
Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any 
irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a 
particular

employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than 
the

rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must 
possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of 
transaction

happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for 
applying

for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, 
Rajesh

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
(Smile)
No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a 
central

banker!!!


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

How the people blame that PNB ignores the blind community.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "access india" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


hello accessindia!

i am pasting the circular for pnb credit card for blind customers, in 
the

interest of all blind customers. hence, this circular contains tables,
please check the correct formatting before taking printout of  the 
circular.


thanks,

bhawani



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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

also would like to add one thing that a complainent is having laptop costing 
around Rs.35000/- and a screen reading software installed in it, costing 
around Rs.2/- a broad band connection, paying the bill amounting to 
Rs.300/- per month. and a wireless lan modem costing around Rs.2000/- total 
cost around Rs.58000/- a complainent may deduct the cost of screen reader if 
he is using crack.


thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kamal Verma" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Let the people file a litigation with the Ombudsman against PNB that how a 
blind can afford such expensive devices in a poor country like ours. But 
they still need credit cards. Let us see what the Ombudsman decides.

Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



So, I can read my statement online.
I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a functioning Personal 
computer with screen reader installed on it and with active internet 
connection! and also that I ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a 
gadget to read my statement!


And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and ask anyone to 
read out the messages, they cannot know anything but the amount of 
transaction and date thereof.

It is not possible to forge card details from it.


My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or wrong", and do not 
justify any arbitrary conditions merely because your own institution 
prescribes them, or they are high-sounding technological gadgets which we 
want to make compulsory.




Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after 
transaction
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in 
its

website.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements 
from

the website.
Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more 
than

Rs. 5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked by
any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card
statements?
I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the requirement
of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20
Thousand.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."

   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS 
only.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
so that people need not blaim the organization itself.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:

Welcome Sir!
- Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
> (Smile)
> No, will make another earning blind to do so, instead, who is not a
central banker!!!
>
>
> Regards
>
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to 
> create

Him."
>
>   --Arthur C. Clarke
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager,
> Reser

[AI] Moderator: Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[harish]

Hello all

This thread is now simply dragging without serving any purpose.

This thread is now closed.
Harish Kotian
Moderator.

- Original Message - 
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


also would like to add one thing that a complainent is having laptop 
costing around Rs.35000/- and a screen reading software installed in it, 
costing around Rs.2/- a broad band connection, paying the bill 
amounting to Rs.300/- per month. and a wireless lan modem costing around 
Rs.2000/- total cost around Rs.58000/- a complainent may deduct the cost 
of screen reader if he is using crack.


thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kamal Verma" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Let the people file a litigation with the Ombudsman against PNB that how 
a blind can afford such expensive devices in a poor country like ours. 
But they still need credit cards. Let us see what the Ombudsman decides.

Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



So, I can read my statement online.
I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a functioning Personal 
computer with screen reader installed on it and with active internet 
connection! and also that I ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a 
gadget to read my statement!


And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and ask anyone to 
read out the messages, they cannot know anything but the amount of 
transaction and date thereof.

It is not possible to forge card details from it.


My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or wrong", and do 
not justify any arbitrary conditions merely because your own institution 
prescribes them, or they are high-sounding technological gadgets which 
we want to make compulsory.




Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after 
transaction
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in 
its

website.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements 
from

the website.
Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more 
than

Rs. 5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked 
by

any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card
statements?
I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the 
requirement

of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20
Thousand.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."

   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal 
Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS 
only.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful actions
so that people need not blaim the organization itself.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:

Welcome Sir!
- Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> Well, I will apply for credit card with PNB!!
> (Smile)
> 

[AI] material needed for office 2007

[Fayaz Pasha]

Dear friends,

I have had the opportunity to write to the list after a very long time I
hope all of you find yourselves in good health and spirits.

I have recently started using office 2007 with jaws 11 and find that I have
much to learn. Would require help from you for sources and documents on
material for office 2007 to work with jaws 11. So kindly do the needful.

 

Another strange thing I have noticed with office 2007 is that the spel check
seem to be wrongly representing words. I.E the word "is" is not recognized
by the dictionary even other correct words which was not an error with
office 11 is now an error. Not sure what is the problem.

Should I make some changes in the language settings? Please suggest.

 

Awaiting your response on the same.

 

Regards,

Fayaz

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[AI] Introduction

[giri prasad]

Hello access Indians,
I am glad to introduce me to you all.
I am Giriprasad from Andhra Pradesh Nellore. I am working as a
teacher. I joined this group a month ago. Since I don’t have personal
net connection I couldn’t post any mail. Now I have BSNL broadband
connection. I learnt about this group from one of my friends and was
waiting to join the amazing group full of sharing ideas knowledge and
experience



-- 
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[AI] supreme court opens up medical studies for v i friends

[raghuraman]

SUPREME COURT OF INDIA OPENS DOORS FOR MEDICAL STUDENT WITH VISUAL IMPAIRMENT
A recent judgment of the Supreme Court of India appears to have opened new 
opportunities for the visually impaired. A young student, Nitin Mantri, had 
dreamt of becoming a Doctor from his early years: not an uncommon dream among 
the youngsters. What made the dream of Nitin so special was the fact that he 
was visually impaired. Due to his visual impairment, there were strong chances 
of his denied admission to a Medical College. 

  

The inspiring stories of blind and low vision doctors are not absent from our 
memory. One immediately recalls the name of Late Salma Maqbool of Pakistan, who 
not only was a successful practicing doctor, but was an important leader in the 
blindness field. 

  

Despite knowing that the road may be difficult for him, Nitin persisted with 
his dream and tried to seek admission in a medical college.  He scored much 
higher percentage of marks than the cut off percentage, yet he was denied 
admission. He was admitted only after the High Court of Madhya Pradesh 
intervened. 

  

Social, administrative, and political prejudices cannot be easily set aside. 
His institution as well as the Government of his State appealed in the Supreme 
Court of India.  After 9 months of toil, Nitin obtained the judgment in his 
favour: "There are no rules to bar a visually impaired student from studying 
medicine", the Supreme Court ruled. 

  

The ruling is important not just for Nitin Mantrie but for the entire visual 
impairment sector. Its significance rests in two respects. Firstly, it has 
opened new avenues of study and employment for the visually impaired. The 
Supreme Court of India judgment can be cited as an example by individuals and 
blindness organizations in other countries to obtain similar facilities in 
their respective countries. The UNCRPD already advocates the principle of 
"Reasonable Accommodation". This principle can help us in opening up new 
opportunities in the areas of education and employment. 

  

Secondly, the case in reference brings an important message to all of us. That 
is that given the will and determination, the most difficult doors can also 
open. So finally it is clear: the cure to our problems lies only with us. 

taken from asian blind union june edition 

 

cheers raghu 

 

 
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[AI] swami vivekanand books

[labhendra mhatre]

hi list,
does any one having books of swami vivekanand in mp3 format?
i will be very thankful if you send me the books.
thanks in anticipation with regards.


-- 

Dr. Labhendra Mhatre.
Physiotherapist
Paraplegic Foundation, Mumbai
+91 9819918844
Email:
dr.labhen...@gmail.com
Skype Id:
labhendra.physio

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[AI] need gps navagator software for N82

[labhendra mhatre]

hi list,
as subject line suggest, i need gps navagator software for my NoKIA N82.
i can't use way finder because i am vodaphone custmer.
please, suggest me the proper gps navagator.
awaiting for your early reply. regards.
-- 

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Physiotherapist
Paraplegic Foundation, Mumbai
+91 9819918844
Email:
dr.labhen...@gmail.com
Skype Id:
labhendra.physio

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Re: [AI] AI Blog

[harish]

Hello All

I do commend Rajesh Asudani for actively participating in the blog. I do 
share Rajesh's anguish that presently there is lack of wide participation in 
it.


Owing to the importance and the long term impact of the Act we have put 
together this dedicated blog.


If there is any difficulty in using it, do let me know. We'll look into it.

However, I don't think it is technical issue which is the cause of this cold 
response. I can just infer it is sheer complacency. Friends, we are all 
aware of the gaps in the old law and how the deficiencies in it has effected 
us badly. Now that when we have the power and means to shape the new law 
then why this laid back attitude?


It does not require expertise in law to put your thoughts. Do frame your 
opinion in simple and easy to understand language and justify your stand.


We are close to 1400 strong and only a handful participating in it.  This is 
not acceptable. We have leaders of all interest groups also amongst us. It 
calls for greater participation from all. I think it is necessary for all 
organizations of the disabled to carry discourse on this extensively within 
their own fold and voice with strength and conviction.


Let AccessIndia not turn out to be just a talking shop. Let us use our 
collective wisdom wisely and derive tangible results from it.


Harish Kotian
Email: har...@accessindia.org.in

- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] AI Blog



Friends
It has been a while since the blog to voice our concerns and thoughts 
about the new law being drafted has become functional.

Every AI message contains its URL in signature line.
However, I have not observed anyone but a couple of beings writing 
anything on it.
I  urge everyone who thinks she / he can contribute meaningfully to the 
suggestions for committee members, to actively participate and discuss 
issues there.

Our moderator had already appealed to one and all.
I don't know why we are so apathetic when it comes to systematically 
presenting our concerns.



Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349





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[AI] regarding hindi ocr

[Anuj Verma]

Dear list members,  hope all will healthy,Is any friend know about hindi ocr, 
which can read hindi book, or any hindi book reading device,  or any progress 
regarding this technology. 
thanks and regards- 
Dr. A.K. Verma
mob- 09837269234 

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Re: [AI] regarding hindi ocr

[Kiran S Deshpande]

Hi,

Hindi OCR and device is very much in the offing, should be able to provide
in a couple of weeks. An Indian accented English and Hindi OCR with TTS both
in a desktop Version and a Device version shall be made available.
Finalization of Hindi is currently underway and shall be released after
Tests with some AI members.

Thanks and Regards

Kiran
]Follow on Facebook"Rajan Deshpande" or on twitter id is same.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Anuj Verma wrote:

> Dear list members,  hope all will healthy,Is any friend know about hindi
> ocr, which can read hindi book, or any hindi book reading device,  or any
> progress regarding this technology.
> thanks and regards-
> Dr. A.K. Verma
> mob- 09837269234
>
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[AI] need help

[Rabiya Khan]

hiii friends
please give me handi black list soft vare or black list soft vare and
any other soft vare of this type for n72
its a urgent
quic reply must .

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Re: [AI] swami vivekanand books

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula]

Check with Sri. Ramakrishna Math http://www.rkmath.org

On 6/3/10, labhendra mhatre  wrote:
> hi list,
> does any one having books of swami vivekanand in mp3 format?
> i will be very thankful if you send me the books.
> thanks in anticipation with regards.
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. Labhendra Mhatre.
> Physiotherapist
> Paraplegic Foundation, Mumbai
> +91 9819918844
> Email:
> dr.labhen...@gmail.com
> Skype Id:
> labhendra.physio
>
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Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82

[Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan]

You can't use way finder access anyway since it's a complete trash for
Indian users beginning this April. So your best bet is loadstone.

http://www.loadstone-gps.com

Best,

Vetri.

On 03/06/2010, labhendra mhatre  wrote:
> hi list,
> as subject line suggest, i need gps navagator software for my NoKIA N82.
> i can't use way finder because i am vodaphone custmer.
> please, suggest me the proper gps navagator.
> awaiting for your early reply. regards.
> --
>
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Re: [AI] N 82 and Nokia maps

[Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan]

If you are asking about Nokia ovi maps, then I am afraid that they
will not. They are ment for latest phones like the N86, N96, N97
general/mini etc.

Vetri.

On 02/06/2010, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> dear friends, could anyone tell me if Nokia maps work with talks on N
> 82? Thanks.
>
> --
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[AI] Need For Braille Face software free of cost.

[Kuldeep Kumar]

Dear friends, az I have earlier requested can anyone send me the software like 
braille face free of cost? So that I may help the poor blind persons. Thanking 
you.Dr. Kuldeep Kumar Mobile--0091 9855596044 Skype id;

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>    1. Moderator: Re:  PNB CREDIT CARD
> FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>       (harish)
>    2. material needed for office 2007 (Fayaz
> Pasha)
>    3. Introduction (giri prasad)
>    4. supreme court opens up medical studies
> for v i friends
>       (raghuraman)
>    5. swami vivekanand books (labhendra
> mhatre)
>    6. need gps navagator software for N82
> (labhendra mhatre)
>    7. Re: AI Blog (harish)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:00:23 +0530
> From: "harish" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AI] Moderator: Re:  PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY
> TO BLIND
>     CUSTOMERS
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
>     reply-type=response
> 
> Hello all
> 
> This thread is now simply dragging without serving any
> purpose.
> 
> This thread is now closed.
> Harish Kotian
> Moderator.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> CUSTOMERS
> 
> 
> > also would like to add one thing that a complainent is
> having laptop 
> > costing around Rs.35000/- and a screen reading
> software installed in it, 
> > costing around Rs.2/- a broad band connection,
> paying the bill 
> > amounting to Rs.300/- per month. and a wireless lan
> modem costing around 
> > Rs.2000/- total cost around Rs.58000/- a complainent
> may deduct the cost 
> > of screen reader if he is using crack.
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Kamal Verma" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND
> CUSTOMERS
> >
> >
> >> Let the people file a litigation with the
> Ombudsman against PNB that how 
> >> a blind can afford such expensive devices in a
> poor country like ours. 
> >> But they still need credit cards. Let us see what
> the Ombudsman decides.
> >> Kamal Verma.
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO
> BLIND CUSTOMERS
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, I can read my statement online.
> >>> I wonder why  PNB does  not require
> that I have a functioning Personal 
> >>> computer with screen reader installed on it
> and with active internet 
> >>> connection! and also that I ensure nobody
> spies on me when I use such a 
> >>> gadget to read my statement!
> >>>
> >>> And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled
> mobile and ask anyone to 
> >>> read out the messages, they cannot know
> anything but the amount of 
> >>> transaction and date thereof.
> >>> It is not possible to forge card details from
> it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My friends, give up the habit of "My country,
> write or wrong", and do 
> >>> not justify any arbitrary conditions merely
> because your own institution 
> >>> prescribes them, or they are high-sounding
> technological gadgets which 
> >>> we want to make compulsory.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to
> worship God-- but to create 
> >>> Him."
> >>>
> >>>           
>                
>             --Arthur C.
> Clarke
> >>>
> >>> (Rajesh Asudani)
> >>>
> >>> Assistant General Manager,
> >>> Reserve Bank of India
> >>> Nagpur
> >>> 09420397185
> >>> O: 0712 2806676
> >>> Res: 0712 2591349
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> 
> >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
> >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO
> BLIND CUSTOMERS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Each transaction is communicated through SMS
> immediately after 
> >>> transaction
> >>> happens and no any ceiling or floor a

Re: [AI] Introduction

[Steven Max-Faults]

Hi GiriPrasad,

Welcome to the group! Like you, I just joined earlier this week. I’m
a blind college student from New York, but I’m interested in coming to India as
a volunteer in a school for the blind. Please feel free to email me off list if
you would like to get to know each other. What kind of teacher are you?

 

Best,

Steven

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, giri prasad  wrote:

From: giri prasad 
Subject: [AI] Introduction
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 10:36 AM

Hello access Indians,
I am glad to introduce me to you all.
I am Giriprasad from Andhra Pradesh Nellore. I am working as a
teacher. I joined this group a month ago. Since I don’t have personal
net connection I couldn’t post any mail. Now I have BSNL broadband
connection. I learnt about this group from one of my friends and was
waiting to join the amazing group full of sharing ideas knowledge and
experience



-- 
WITH REGARDS

GIRIPRASAD

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SKYPE  giriprasad.maddina

"Our greatest glory consists not in never falling,
 but in rising every time we fall."

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[AI] Retina India (Bangalore chapter) cordially invites you for its monthly support group meeting on June 04, 2010

[Akhilesh Malani]

>
> Dear friends, volunteers and supporters of Retina India,
>
> We take pleasure in announcing  that we will be hving our monthly
> meeting on Saturday, June 04, 2010 in which we will be discussing on
> “Disability and maintaining relationships”. As we network with more people
> and make friends with those from outside our geographical and cultural
> milieu, we need to learn how to maintain friendships and how to distinguish
> professional relationships from personal ones. Whatever may be the nature of
> relationships, it is important for us not to burn our bridges and understand
> what it tkes to maintain relationships.
>
> Dr. Ali Khwaja who runs the leading counseling agencies in Bangalore
> Banjara Academy will be addressing the meeting, specifically on how
> disability affects the way we relate with others and if things like lack of
> eye contact affects our interaction with others. We welcome everyone without
> restriction. Also, please take this opportunity to be a part of Retina India
> and help us with our activities. Details of the meeting are below:
>
> Date: Saturday June 5
> Venue: Vishranti Nilaya (pl append the address and route)
> Time: 2.30 pm to 3.30 pm
>
> RSVP: Anandhi Viswanathan (Coordinator) 9886910508
> Aditi Rai (Coordintor) 9986206136
> David (Principal Advisor),  9845569496
> Akhilesh (core group member) 9620133716


-- 
"When I Am Here, Then Why Do You Fear"

Thanks and regards

Akhilesh Malani
Transition processing officer.
Mphasis
Kshema Dhama, no.1-Globle Village,
Mysore road,
Bangalore-560059
Bangalore's mob no- +919620133716, +919342232100
 Chennai's Mob no: +919840226825
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Re: [AI] N 82 and Nokia maps

[Ketan Kothari]

Are there any other maps other than OVI maps?
- Original Message - 
From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] N 82 and Nokia maps



If you are asking about Nokia ovi maps, then I am afraid that they
will not. They are ment for latest phones like the N86, N96, N97
general/mini etc.

Vetri.

On 02/06/2010, Ketan Kothari  wrote:

dear friends, could anyone tell me if Nokia maps work with talks on N
82? Thanks.

--
Ketan Kothari
Phone: [r] 24223281,
Cell: 9987550614
MSN ID: muktake...@hotmail.com
Skype ID: Ketan

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[AI] Fw: [SayEverything] Products for the Blind are too Expensive

[m.chandrashekar]

- Original Message - 
From: Trepan Singh 
To: sayeveryth...@yahoogroups.co.in ; blindc...@yahoogroups.co.in 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: [SayEverything] Products for the Blind are too Expensive


  
Products for the Blind are too Expensive

Most of us who are blind want to live our own lives. Part of that

process is to manage our own homes, take care of ourselves, and do all

that is necessary to be as independent as the sighted. The problem

that we face is twofold. First of all, many of us who want to be

independent have difficulty finding jobs because of our blindness,

meaning that we have to remain on a fixed income. As a result of this

fixed income, many of us can't afford to be as independent as we'd

like to be, because it costs a lot of money to adapt our lives.

If you compare products that sighted people use with those adapted

for a blind person, you will find that, in almost every case, the

blind person's item costs a lot more than a comparable item for the

sighted. You might say, "Well, you have to think of the adaptations."

I look at this issue in terms of what goes into a product. Take your

average calculator, as an example. I'm sure that a lot goes into a

calculator that does scientific 

notation, square roots, exponents, etc., yet a sighted person is able

to buy such a calculator for $5. A talking calculator with fewer

features than the one I just described would cost a blind person $15.

Let's put this into perspective. If you replace software that

generates scientific notation and square roots with software that

talks, are you increasing the total value of the calculator by ten

dollars? It would seem to me that the original software that does all

those calculations would cost more than the software which makes a

calculator talk. Yet the blind have to spend more money on a

calculator which does less than what a sighted person spends on a

calculator that does more.

Then we have the Braille watch. When you make a Braille watch, all

you are really doing is taking the cover off of a regular watch,

putting dots on the dial, inserting a pointer, and replacing the cover

with one that has a hinge so we can open the watch. I can understand

why a Braille watch would cost more than a regular one, but four times

more?

Let's talk about the talking measuring tape. After all, in order for

a blind person to be independent, he may want to measure things in his

apartment like everyone else. A sighted person can go to a local

discount store and buy a measuring tape for two dollars. Well, I

bought a talking measuring tape because I felt it was necessary. It is

slightly larger, and looks like a transistor radio. It talks, and

converts from the American system to the Metric system. I spent a

total of $84 for this device. Now, let's prove the point further by

comparing the talking measuring tape to a sighted person's calculator.

Do you mean to tell me that the software which makes a measuring tape

talk is more complex than the software which makes a sighted person's

calculator do scientific notation and square roots? I sincerely doubt

it.

Allow me to give a more ridiculous example. The average old fashioned

Braille machine has no software in it. It's a mechanical device with

gears inside, similar to those of a regular typewriter. I am assuming

that an old fashioned manual typewriter has more complex machinery

than the average Braille machine, for obvious reasons. If manual

typewriters were still on the market, how much do you think they would

cost? I guess they would be no more than $100. Yet, this relatively

simple Braille machine is currently valued at over seven hundred

dollars. How did someone reach the conclusion that a brailler needs to

be valued this high? What exactly is in that brailler to justify its

cost, especially when you compare it to comparable items for the

sighted with more features?

Last, but certainly not least, allow me to be even more ridiculous

when I talk about computer software. There is a product on the market

called Dragon Naturally Speaking, which types what you say into a

microphone. Dragon Naturally Speaking is common. It is advertised all

the time, and it is used by anyone. Jaws, which is a speech software

that allows a blind person to hear what's on the computer screen, is

similar to Dragon Naturally Speaking, if you think about it. One

program sees what is written, while 

the other program hears what's being said. I am taking an educated

guess that you can buy Dragon for under a hundred dollars, but yet a

blind person has to spend eleven hundred dollars to adapt his computer

with Jaws. I don't think that Jaws is eleven times more complicated

than Dragon, do you?

The problem here is supply and demand, and as a former student of

economics, I fully understand the concept. However, if a company that

sells adaptive products for the blind really thinks about its target

market, it needs to u

[AI] problem in outlook express

[raghuraman]

friends i have a problem in outlook express 
i have only around 100 or even less mails in inbox 
it often asks "outlook express want to compact and do you want to do" if i give 
ok it immediately erases all my mails and 
because of this i had already lost many important mails 
so please tell what to be done to avoid this problem and tell me step by step 
thanks in advance 

cheers raghu 
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Re: [AI] Moderator: Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

thanks sir,

- Original Message - 
From: "harish" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:00 PM
Subject: [AI] Moderator: Re: PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



Hello all

This thread is now simply dragging without serving any purpose.

This thread is now closed.
Harish Kotian
Moderator.

- Original Message - 
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


also would like to add one thing that a complainent is having laptop 
costing around Rs.35000/- and a screen reading software installed in it, 
costing around Rs.2/- a broad band connection, paying the bill 
amounting to Rs.300/- per month. and a wireless lan modem costing around 
Rs.2000/- total cost around Rs.58000/- a complainent may deduct the cost 
of screen reader if he is using crack.


thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kamal Verma" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Let the people file a litigation with the Ombudsman against PNB that how 
a blind can afford such expensive devices in a poor country like ours. 
But they still need credit cards. Let us see what the Ombudsman decides.

Kamal Verma.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



So, I can read my statement online.
I wonder why  PNB does  not require that I have a functioning Personal 
computer with screen reader installed on it and with active internet 
connection! and also that I ensure nobody spies on me when I use such a 
gadget to read my statement!


And, yes, even if I don't have a voice-enabled mobile and ask anyone to 
read out the messages, they cannot know anything but the amount of 
transaction and date thereof.

It is not possible to forge card details from it.


My friends, give up the habit of "My country, write or wrong", and do 
not justify any arbitrary conditions merely because your own 
institution prescribes them, or they are high-sounding technological 
gadgets which we want to make compulsory.




Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create 
Him."


   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal 
Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Each transaction is communicated through SMS immediately after 
transaction
happens and no any ceiling or floor amount. Statement can be viewed in 
its

website.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


Well, I believe  you can always download your credit card statements 
from

the website.
Online checking is also possible.
Only SMS required to be sent is in case of transaction involving more 
than

Rs. 5000.
So. what happens when A vi has the intimations and statements checked 
by

any other means than voice enabled mobiles?
And I am curious how many SMS it takes to send a monthly credit card
statements?
I believe it is not wise to do so.
A soft copy coupled with online facility for statements is the norm.
All said and done, I smell PNB'S arbitrariness in having the 
requirement

of mobile phone with voice which would cost me between Rs. 15 and 20
Thousand.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create
Him."

   --Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal 
Verma

Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Because credit card transactions and statements are sent through SMS 
only.

Kamal Verma
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Panicker" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS



good to see PNB doing something positive for the visually challenged.
one clarification though, why is PNB insisting on a voice enabled
phone? would a screenreader enabled laptop or a netbook do instead?
and hopefully, the PNB follows this initiative with meaningful 
actions

so that people need not blaim the organization itself.

On 6/3/10, Kamal Verma  wrote:

Welcome Sir!
- Original Message - From: "Asudani, 

Re: [AI] supreme court opens up medical studies for v i friends

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

good achievement, we must salute a petitioner's struggle.

- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:46 PM
Subject: [AI] supreme court opens up medical studies for v i friends


SUPREME COURT OF INDIA OPENS DOORS FOR MEDICAL STUDENT WITH VISUAL 
IMPAIRMENT
A recent judgment of the Supreme Court of India appears to have opened new 
opportunities for the visually impaired. A young student, Nitin Mantri, 
had dreamt of becoming a Doctor from his early years: not an uncommon 
dream among the youngsters. What made the dream of Nitin so special was 
the fact that he was visually impaired. Due to his visual impairment, 
there were strong chances of his denied admission to a Medical College.




The inspiring stories of blind and low vision doctors are not absent from 
our memory. One immediately recalls the name of Late Salma Maqbool of 
Pakistan, who not only was a successful practicing doctor, but was an 
important leader in the blindness field.




Despite knowing that the road may be difficult for him, Nitin persisted 
with his dream and tried to seek admission in a medical college.  He 
scored much higher percentage of marks than the cut off percentage, yet he 
was denied admission. He was admitted only after the High Court of Madhya 
Pradesh intervened.




Social, administrative, and political prejudices cannot be easily set 
aside. His institution as well as the Government of his State appealed in 
the Supreme Court of India.  After 9 months of toil, Nitin obtained the 
judgment in his favour: "There are no rules to bar a visually impaired 
student from studying medicine", the Supreme Court ruled.




The ruling is important not just for Nitin Mantrie but for the entire 
visual impairment sector. Its significance rests in two respects. Firstly, 
it has opened new avenues of study and employment for the visually 
impaired. The Supreme Court of India judgment can be cited as an example 
by individuals and blindness organizations in other countries to obtain 
similar facilities in their respective countries. The UNCRPD already 
advocates the principle of "Reasonable Accommodation". This principle can 
help us in opening up new opportunities in the areas of education and 
employment.




Secondly, the case in reference brings an important message to all of us. 
That is that given the will and determination, the most difficult doors 
can also open. So finally it is clear: the cure to our problems lies only 
with us.


taken from asian blind union june edition



cheers raghu




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[AI] HINDI POETRY

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

hello accessindia!

those who are interested on hindi poetry, hindi literature. can visit the 
following link:

http://www.kaavyaalaya.org

thanks,

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Re: [AI] problem in outlook express

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

go to tools>options>maintenance tab, clear all the check boxes. hope this 
will help.


- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: [AI] problem in outlook express



friends i have a problem in outlook express
i have only around 100 or even less mails in inbox
it often asks "outlook express want to compact and do you want to do" if i 
give ok it immediately erases all my mails and

because of this i had already lost many important mails
so please tell what to be done to avoid this problem and tell me step by 
step

thanks in advance

cheers raghu
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Re: [AI] problem in outlook express

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

I save many messages in different folders inside outlook express. Compacting 
does not delete these messages. You may arrange your messages in that way.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329

- Original Message - 
From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
To: "raghuraman" ; 


Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in outlook express


go to tools>options>maintenance tab, clear all the check boxes. hope this 
will help.


- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: [AI] problem in outlook express



friends i have a problem in outlook express
i have only around 100 or even less mails in inbox
it often asks "outlook express want to compact and do you want to do" if 
i give ok it immediately erases all my mails and

because of this i had already lost many important mails
so please tell what to be done to avoid this problem and tell me step by 
step

thanks in advance

cheers raghu
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Re: [AI] Fw: [SayEverything] Products for the Blind are too Expensive

[Gaurav sharma]

Hi friend, u r saying right i m agree with u. With regards gaurav.

On 6/3/10, m.chandrashekar  wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Trepan Singh
> To: sayeveryth...@yahoogroups.co.in ; blindc...@yahoogroups.co.in
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:19 AM
> Subject: [SayEverything] Products for the Blind are too Expensive
>
>
>
> Products for the Blind are too Expensive
>
> Most of us who are blind want to live our own lives. Part of that
>
> process is to manage our own homes, take care of ourselves, and do all
>
> that is necessary to be as independent as the sighted. The problem
>
> that we face is twofold. First of all, many of us who want to be
>
> independent have difficulty finding jobs because of our blindness,
>
> meaning that we have to remain on a fixed income. As a result of this
>
> fixed income, many of us can't afford to be as independent as we'd
>
> like to be, because it costs a lot of money to adapt our lives.
>
> If you compare products that sighted people use with those adapted
>
> for a blind person, you will find that, in almost every case, the
>
> blind person's item costs a lot more than a comparable item for the
>
> sighted. You might say, "Well, you have to think of the adaptations."
>
> I look at this issue in terms of what goes into a product. Take your
>
> average calculator, as an example. I'm sure that a lot goes into a
>
> calculator that does scientific
>
> notation, square roots, exponents, etc., yet a sighted person is able
>
> to buy such a calculator for $5. A talking calculator with fewer
>
> features than the one I just described would cost a blind person $15.
>
> Let's put this into perspective. If you replace software that
>
> generates scientific notation and square roots with software that
>
> talks, are you increasing the total value of the calculator by ten
>
> dollars? It would seem to me that the original software that does all
>
> those calculations would cost more than the software which makes a
>
> calculator talk. Yet the blind have to spend more money on a
>
> calculator which does less than what a sighted person spends on a
>
> calculator that does more.
>
> Then we have the Braille watch. When you make a Braille watch, all
>
> you are really doing is taking the cover off of a regular watch,
>
> putting dots on the dial, inserting a pointer, and replacing the cover
>
> with one that has a hinge so we can open the watch. I can understand
>
> why a Braille watch would cost more than a regular one, but four times
>
> more?
>
> Let's talk about the talking measuring tape. After all, in order for
>
> a blind person to be independent, he may want to measure things in his
>
> apartment like everyone else. A sighted person can go to a local
>
> discount store and buy a measuring tape for two dollars. Well, I
>
> bought a talking measuring tape because I felt it was necessary. It is
>
> slightly larger, and looks like a transistor radio. It talks, and
>
> converts from the American system to the Metric system. I spent a
>
> total of $84 for this device. Now, let's prove the point further by
>
> comparing the talking measuring tape to a sighted person's calculator.
>
> Do you mean to tell me that the software which makes a measuring tape
>
> talk is more complex than the software which makes a sighted person's
>
> calculator do scientific notation and square roots? I sincerely doubt
>
> it.
>
> Allow me to give a more ridiculous example. The average old fashioned
>
> Braille machine has no software in it. It's a mechanical device with
>
> gears inside, similar to those of a regular typewriter. I am assuming
>
> that an old fashioned manual typewriter has more complex machinery
>
> than the average Braille machine, for obvious reasons. If manual
>
> typewriters were still on the market, how much do you think they would
>
> cost? I guess they would be no more than $100. Yet, this relatively
>
> simple Braille machine is currently valued at over seven hundred
>
> dollars. How did someone reach the conclusion that a brailler needs to
>
> be valued this high? What exactly is in that brailler to justify its
>
> cost, especially when you compare it to comparable items for the
>
> sighted with more features?
>
> Last, but certainly not least, allow me to be even more ridiculous
>
> when I talk about computer software. There is a product on the market
>
> called Dragon Naturally Speaking, which types what you say into a
>
> microphone. Dragon Naturally Speaking is common. It is advertised all
>
> the time, and it is used by anyone. Jaws, which is a speech software
>
> that allows a blind person to hear what's on the computer screen, is
>
> similar to Dragon Naturally Speaking, if you think about it. One
>
> program sees what is written, while
>
> the other program hears what's being said. I am taking an educated
>
> guess that you can buy Dragon for under a hundred dollars, but yet a
>
> blind person has to spend eleven hundred dollars to adapt his computer
>
> w

Re: [AI] problem in outlook express

[sachit sahrawat]

Dear Raghu!

There is one remedy for this problem  I am using this technique ever
since I have started using outlook express.  When you think that a
mail is important and it is worth saving,  go to file menu, select
save as, and give it any path to your hard drive in any folder.  You
can choose a different name for the mail and this mail will be saved
in 'eml' format.  So many people will be using this and according to
me, this is the best way to preserve your messages.  I accept hthat it
will take some time, but later on, you will find it more safer .
On 6/4/10, raghuraman  wrote:
> friends i have a problem in outlook express
> i have only around 100 or even less mails in inbox
> it often asks "outlook express want to compact and do you want to do" if i
> give ok it immediately erases all my mails and
> because of this i had already lost many important mails
> so please tell what to be done to avoid this problem and tell me step by
> step
> thanks in advance
>
> cheers raghu
> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with
> disability bill at:
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>
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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Dear Kamal
I am not concerned with the moral of the story, but with story itself.
You say: People cannot afford technology, but they still want facilities."
What do you mean?
Everybody wanting a credit card should be able to afford technology?
Ridiculous!
You also say:
People want facilities at their convenience.
Yes, of course, facilities are for convenience
Do you require sighted credit card holders to have all technical gadgets before 
giving them one?
Do you take an undertaking from them that their mobile SMS would not be read by 
anybody in any circumstances?

We take a general undertaking that the details of the card would not be shared, 
and it is their own responsibility if they are so shared.
The same undertaking would suffice for the blind as well, without any 
stipulation about possession of any gadgets.

You also say:
"BLIND is mahatma in society and now he is supposed to be above god, etc...

I do not wish to reply to assertions like these.
Don't be a stereotypical banker.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

Dear Amiyo,

People want facilities at their convinience and conditions. They cannot
afford the technology, but they still need facilities. A blind is supposed
to be a Mahatma in the society. But, now, a blind is greater than god. We
have to fulfil their needs and conditions at any cost at their convenience
only. This is the moral of this story.

Regards.
Kamal Verma.
- Original Message -
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS


> So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and
> which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a bit
> nervous. They always barrage me with questions.
>
> With Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas.
> Cell: 91-9433464329
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mahendra" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
>>i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
>> wiche is more risky?
>> i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors
>> and restorences then with ATM.
>> one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
>> no such need with ATM!!.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused
>>>or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better
>>>option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote
>>>the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire
>>>organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of
>>>rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our
>>>country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame
>>>the entire female society?
>>>
>>>- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
>>>To: 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>>>
>>>
Hi Mr. Kamal Varma,

Other allegations made by some of our members on PNB are all truths.
Hence
we can't deny all of them and say that PNB is free from any
irregularity.
And it's quite natural to blame the entire organization when a
particular
employee denies someone their entitlements.

And yes, we all appreciate PNB for taking a positive attitude towards
issuance of credit cards to visually challenged persons.  But more often
than not, it's the implementation that has bogged us down rather than
the
rules on paper.

And coming to the eligibility criteria,
 A Credit Card applicant who is visually impaired person must
 possess a
voice enabled mobile phone for the purpose of communication of
transaction
happening on the credit card.

Please clarify whether a voice enabled phone is a prerequisite for
ccommunicating the transaction details, or is it a prerequisite for
applying
for a credit card.  I didn't get the exact meaning.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 

[AI] How to post an article on Blogspot.com?

[govind reddy]

Dear list members:
Sorry for this simple doubt.
Many of us are using our own blog on Blogspot.com for expressions felt
and heard. My doubt is that earlier its was a little simpler, now
Google seems to have made some changes in its layout of the blog. I
don't understand where to post our article. We get a small table to
put a title. Then where to put our complete article on blogspot.com?
What does JAWS anounce it as? Could any one help me in this regard?
I really want to improve my blog and advertise it for my future.

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Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Yes, and you can download loadstone checkpoint files by keying in starting and 
destination points from:
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl
Then save those files in checkpoints folder of loadstone and use them by 
loading the relevant file when navigating that route.
It is helpful.
I have brought several errant drivers on the right path by doing so, and even 
without it by simply noting coordinates from loadstone.


Regards

"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349




-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam 
Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:55 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82

You can't use way finder access anyway since it's a complete trash for
Indian users beginning this April. So your best bet is loadstone.

http://www.loadstone-gps.com

Best,

Vetri.

On 03/06/2010, labhendra mhatre  wrote:
> hi list,
> as subject line suggest, i need gps navagator software for my NoKIA N82.
> i can't use way finder because i am vodaphone custmer.
> please, suggest me the proper gps navagator.
> awaiting for your early reply. regards.
> --
>
> Dr. Labhendra Mhatre.
> Physiotherapist
> Paraplegic Foundation, Mumbai
> +91 9819918844
> Email:
> dr.labhen...@gmail.com
> Skype Id:
> labhendra.physio
>
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[AI] Procedure for admissions in KV (Kendriya vidyalaya schools needed.

[govind reddy]

Dear list,
I want to admit some cousins in KV schools. Could any one provide me
with proper procedure that's being followed at these schools?
At least its website link is appriciated.


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Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS

[Mahesh Panicker]

although Punjab National Bank for ones has decided to come out of the
rudd of discrimination against the disabled by formulating a policy to
issue credit cards, that doesn't mean they are doing an act of charity
to the visually challenged. it is a responsibility and a legal and
constitutional stipulation that they are meetting.
however as any such policy is open to public scrutiny, particularly on
the part of the stake holders, there will be questions asked,
clarifications sorted, and criticisms leveled against. that is how a
democracy work, and one has to learn to be tolerant to this democratic
right.
although PNB's efforts at bringing a sense of clarity to the issue of
credit card to the visually challenged is a welcomed step, many of us
feel that some of the stipulations included in the proposed policy are
unfair and even illogical. AI members working with PNB would do well
to engage with these criticisms, and since they are better placed in
the organization, they can take it up at the appropriate levels. that
is entirely up to them, but at least crude remarks and assertions
regarding the visually challenged who are struggling for their rights
can be avoided.

On 6/4/10, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Dear Kamal
> I am not concerned with the moral of the story, but with story itself.
> You say: People cannot afford technology, but they still want facilities."
> What do you mean?
> Everybody wanting a credit card should be able to afford technology?
> Ridiculous!
> You also say:
> People want facilities at their convenience.
> Yes, of course, facilities are for convenience
> Do you require sighted credit card holders to have all technical gadgets 
> before giving them one?
> Do you take an undertaking from them that their mobile SMS would not be read 
> by anybody in any circumstances?
>
> We take a general undertaking that the details of the card would not be 
> shared, and it is their own responsibility if they are so shared.
> The same undertaking would suffice for the blind as well, without any 
> stipulation about possession of any gadgets.
>
> You also say:
> "BLIND is mahatma in society and now he is supposed to be above god, etc...
>
> I do not wish to reply to assertions like these.
> Don't be a stereotypical banker.
>
>
> Regards
>
> "Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."
>
>--Arthur C. Clarke
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager,
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kamal Verma
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:47 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
> Dear Amiyo,
>
> People want facilities at their convinience and conditions. They cannot
> afford the technology, but they still need facilities. A blind is supposed
> to be a Mahatma in the society. But, now, a blind is greater than god. We
> have to fulfil their needs and conditions at any cost at their convenience
> only. This is the moral of this story.
>
> Regards.
> Kamal Verma.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
>
>
> > So, what is the moral of the story? Which banks allowcredit cards and
> > which banks ATM? I am really frustrated with banks. In fact, I am a bit
> > nervous. They always barrage me with questions.
> >
> > With Best regards,
> > Amiyo Biswas.
> > Cell: 91-9433464329
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "mahendra" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
> >
> >
> >>i don't understand,  it is okay to give credit card but not ATM?
> >> wiche is more risky?
> >> i suppose, more misuse is possible while paying the bills, in the stors
> >> and restorences then with ATM.
> >> one has to give your credit card to the staf for othentication,
> >> no such need with ATM!!.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 02:22 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
> >>>there are 100s of rules and laws lying in india, either unused,  misused
> >>>or wrongly interpreted. even indian evidence act is quite old. better
> >>>option is apply credit card facility if you want with PNB. you can quote
> >>>the circular if they deny such facility. no one can defame the entire
> >>>organisation, if one particular case is wrongly treated. thousands of
> >>>rape committed daily, should we blame the entire male population of our
> >>>country? numbers of false cases registered under IPC498A, should we blame
> >>>the entire female society?
> >>>
> >>>- Original Message - From: "Vamshi G" 
> >>>To: 
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:24 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [AI] PNB CREDIT CARD FACILITY TO BLIND CUSTOMERS
> >>>
> >

Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82

[Satguru Rathi]

Rajesh Sir,

I am not able to generate root for addresses, Can you please provide me the 
format in which one should search for the root by giving some example?

Thanks.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Friday,June 04, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82


Yes, and you can download loadstone checkpoint files by keying in starting 
and destination points from:
http://groute.loadstone-gps.pl
Then save those files in checkpoints folder of loadstone and use them by 
loading the relevant file when navigating that route.
It is helpful.
I have brought several errant drivers on the right path by doing so, and 
even without it by simply noting coordinates from loadstone.


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"Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him."

--Arthur C. Clarke

(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager,
Reserve Bank of India
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam 
Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:55 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] need gps navagator software for N82

You can't use way finder access anyway since it's a complete trash for
Indian users beginning this April. So your best bet is loadstone.

http://www.loadstone-gps.com

Best,

Vetri.

On 03/06/2010, labhendra mhatre  wrote:
> hi list,
> as subject line suggest, i need gps navagator software for my NoKIA N82.
> i can't use way finder because i am vodaphone custmer.
> please, suggest me the proper gps navagator.
> awaiting for your early reply. regards.
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[AI] FW: Applications made to RBI can now be tracked on-line

[Asudani, Rajesh]

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Of Asudani, Rajesh
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Subject: (VIB) Applications made to RBI can now be tracked on-line

Date : 03 Jun 2010

Applications made to RBI can now be tracked on-line


Applications made to various departments of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) can 
now be tracked on-line through the Application Tracking System (ATS). The 
Reserve Bank launched the Application Tracking System on its website for 
convenience of the public. The ATS, cannot be used for tracking complaints made 
under the Banking Ombudsman Scheme or any other complaints.

For tracking the above applications made, the applicants will have to register 
on the RBI website (ATS link on the home page of 
www.rbi.org.in). The tracking system will generate a 
first time login password and send it to the applicant through 
email.
 The applicants must necessarily change their password on first login. Through 
this facility, the applicant can then submit an online application, attach 
related documents, view it and track its movement.

G. Raghuraj
Deputy General Manager




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[AI] FW: RBI committee on customer service

[Asudani, Rajesh]

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Subject: (VIB) RBI committee on customer service

Date : 03 Jun 2010

Reserve Bank constitutes Committee on Customer Service in banks

The Reserve Bank of India has constituted a Committee under the chairmanship of 
Shri M. Damodaran, former Chairman, Securities and Exchange Board of India, to 
look into banking services rendered to retail and small customers, including 
pensioners. The Committee will also look into the system of grievance redressal 
mechanism prevalent in banks, its structure and efficacy and suggest measures 
for expeditious resolution of complaints.
The other members of the committee are:
1. Smt. P. Rajyalakshmi Rao, former member, National Consumer Disputes 
Redressal Commission, New Delhi,
2. Shri Ashok Rawat, Hon. Secretary, All India Bank Depositors' Association, 
Mumbai,
3. Shri M. V. Nair, Chairman, Indian Banks' Association and Chairman and 
Managing Director, Union Bank of India, Mumbai,
4. Shri B. M. Mittal, Chief Executive Officer, Banking Codes and Standards 
Board of India, Mumbai,
5. Shri M. S. Sundara Rajan, former Chairman and Managing Director, Indian 
Bank, Chennai,
6. Shri S. Gopalakrishnan, former Banking Ombudsman, Chennai and former 
Chairman and Managing Director, Vijaya Bank, Chennai and
Shri Kaza Sudhakar, Chief General Manager, Customer Service Department, Reserve 
Bank of India, Central Office, Mumbai will be the Member Secretary.
The terms of reference of the Committee are :
1. To review the existing system of attending to customer service in banks - 
approach, attitude and fair treatment to customers from retail, small and 
pensioners segment.
2. To evaluate the existing system of grievance redressal mechanism prevalent 
in banks, its structure and efficacy and recommend measures for expeditious 
resolution of complaints. The committee may also lay down a suitable time frame 
for disposal of complaints including last escalation point within that time 
frame.
3. To examine the functioning of Banking Ombudsman Scheme - its structure, 
legal framework and recommend steps to make it more effective and responsive.
4. To examine the possible methods of leveraging technology for better customer 
service with proper safeguards including legal aspects in the light of 
increasing use of Internet and IT for bank products and services and recommend 
measures to enhance consumer protection.
5. To review the role of the Board of Directors of banks and the role of 
regulators in customer service matter.
The Committee is expected to submit its report within a period of four months 
from its first meeting.
It may be recalled that the setting up of the Committee was announced in the 
Annual Policy Statement for the year 2010-11.
G. Raghuraj
Deputy General Manager
Press Release : 2009-2010/1633







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