Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[mukesh jain]

hello,
sincere appology for the wrong updates. i have just now tried to book
the concessional ticket through IRCTC and its showing as expected. but
still i recall availing the concession in one of the train called
shatabdi express runs in my state i.e. train no. 12070 but now there
is no concession available on their site.
perhapes they have removed the concessions on this train.


On 12/7/16, Aravind R  wrote:
> oh ok sir thank you. i thought wrongly that we r also included.
>
> On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>> no aadhar will be required for senior citizens only.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aravind R
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:16 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
>> indianrail.gov.in
>>
>> and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
>> aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
>>> concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
>>> appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on
>>> 'get
>>> fare' button displays the following message:
>>> "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".
>>>
>>> Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the
>>> issue
>>> is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare
>>> since
>>> past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed
>>> from
>>> their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
>>> enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
>>> indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Vishnu
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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[akshun mahajan]

other categories will be entitled for other beneficed such as
concession , right to food shelter and cloth .
.5 for low vision and .5 for blind is not clear yet and the person who
possess fake certificate can be imprisoned and also be charged high
fine
there is provision for penalty who uses fake certificate

On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
> How do you know it? 0.5 per cent each is expected to be divided
> between totally blind and low-vision categories. I've made a cursory
> read on the amendments and asking the biggest question why the
> government has not yet specified in clear terms about how the 4 per
> cent reservation will be distributed among increased categories in the
> proposed Bill. The instances abound where the low-vision have hundred
> per cent certificate and the sighted people have low-vision
> certificate and they are using the document to sail through in the
> government jobs. Government is hellbent in giving certificate but what
> about the menace of fake certificates? what does the law say about it?
> I don't know.  Many states including Himachal Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar
> Pradesh have publickly affirmed that they don't want totally blind
> people in their offices at any cost. In fact majority of government
> offices don't want those who can't talk in their eyes.  Where do we go
> from here, in hell perhaps.  people living in the cities and those
> already employed are fortunate ones. and those who've sound family
> support system and keep on teaching list that 'something is good than
> nothing' will continue to sing the government version song  for their
> personal goals. They are very much in demand for awards. And they will
> continue to play partisan role to be patronized. upcoming times are
> not gonna be rosy, be prepared and learn the art to face the bumpy
> road from the so called 'normal' and from our own blind friends who
> are there to collaborate to make you 'inspirational' and 'role
> models'; cause being ordinary is an extraordinary crime if you are
> disabled...
>  On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
>> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>>> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
>>> Court..
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
 I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
 this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
 openion,
 through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
 stream.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
 To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled." 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information


> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
> With warm regards Sakina.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.'" 
> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
>
>> No it isn’t.
>> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
>> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
>> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
>> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> Suggest a hair cut!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
>>> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Well, let me pose it this way:
>>> will it make any dif

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[Vishnu Ramchandani]

If it is removed, then why the stupid error says, "the conc is not valid for 
this date. Please try again". What does it mean? They should remove the 
"concession" combo box if they really want to disallow the user to view the 
concessional fare.

Next, how can we calculate the estimate concessional fare? ¼ of the base fare?

Regards,
Vishnu

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:39 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in

it is removed from their website and required to take the matter with CRIS. 
however you can still book concession tickets through IRCTC and counters. 
further we have to manually calculate estimated concessional fair.


-Original Message-
From: Vishnu Ramchandani
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in

Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the concessional 
fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the appropriate category 
from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get fare' button displays the 
following message:
"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the issue is 
temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since past 
few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from their 
website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare enquiry? Have 
you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from indianrail? If yes, do 
post your experience.

Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa]

Dear all
Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

Leikhu Laishram


On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Hey George sir,
>
> I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing the
> change by those who are teck literate.
>
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham"  wrote:
>
>> Ajay,
>>
>> The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
>> blind
>> people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities
>> are
>> inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking facilities
>>
>> to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important to
>>
>> empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
>> cashless
>> economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The switch
>> is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
>> critical that Digital India becomes accessible.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ajay Minocha
>> Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>> Hi sir,
>>
>> Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
>> without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
>> responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
>> society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
>> that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
>> computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
>> happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
>> bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
>> careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
>> 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
>> a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
>> every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
>> end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
>> list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
>> generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
>> information.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ajay
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
>>> Dear list memberss,
>>> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
>>> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
>>> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
>>> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
>>> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
>>> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
>>> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
>>> from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
>>> security.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> C. B. Kulkkarni
>>>
>>> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
 Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
 easy
 to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
 solved
 by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
 them.
 Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear
 several
 cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
 the
 people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
 case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
 impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Ajay Minocha" 
 To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled." 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
 online
 payments is tough call


> Hi,
>
> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.
>
> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>> A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
>> issue
>> should be unddertaken. Fur

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[avinash shahi]

Faking blindness looks as jenuin as one real blind man/woman. It will
be near impossible to knab such criminals. Moreover, many government
establishments will prefer taking fake disabled rather the jenuin
people with disabilities. This is the practice being in place in many
states already.

On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
> other categories will be entitled for other beneficed such as
> concession , right to food shelter and cloth .
> .5 for low vision and .5 for blind is not clear yet and the person who
> possess fake certificate can be imprisoned and also be charged high
> fine
> there is provision for penalty who uses fake certificate
>
> On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> How do you know it? 0.5 per cent each is expected to be divided
>> between totally blind and low-vision categories. I've made a cursory
>> read on the amendments and asking the biggest question why the
>> government has not yet specified in clear terms about how the 4 per
>> cent reservation will be distributed among increased categories in the
>> proposed Bill. The instances abound where the low-vision have hundred
>> per cent certificate and the sighted people have low-vision
>> certificate and they are using the document to sail through in the
>> government jobs. Government is hellbent in giving certificate but what
>> about the menace of fake certificates? what does the law say about it?
>> I don't know.  Many states including Himachal Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar
>> Pradesh have publickly affirmed that they don't want totally blind
>> people in their offices at any cost. In fact majority of government
>> offices don't want those who can't talk in their eyes.  Where do we go
>> from here, in hell perhaps.  people living in the cities and those
>> already employed are fortunate ones. and those who've sound family
>> support system and keep on teaching list that 'something is good than
>> nothing' will continue to sing the government version song  for their
>> personal goals. They are very much in demand for awards. And they will
>> continue to play partisan role to be patronized. upcoming times are
>> not gonna be rosy, be prepared and learn the art to face the bumpy
>> road from the so called 'normal' and from our own blind friends who
>> are there to collaborate to make you 'inspirational' and 'role
>> models'; cause being ordinary is an extraordinary crime if you are
>> disabled...
>>  On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
>>> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
 Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
 Court..

 On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve
> with
> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
> openion,
> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
> stream.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled." 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
>
>> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally
>> blind?
>> With warm regards Sakina.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.'" 
>> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>>
>>> No it isn’t.
>>> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
>>> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
>>> Kanchan
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
>>> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
>>> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
 Suggest a hair cut!

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
 circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go
 bald?

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[P. Subramani]

manual calculations are not simple, its not like total fare divided by 
one-fourth, we get concession only with fare for distance and no concession 
on other charges

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192
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- Original Message - 
From: "bhawani shankar verma" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in



it is removed from their website and required to take the matter with 
CRIS. however you can still book concession tickets through IRCTC and 
counters. further we have to manually calculate estimated concessional 
fair.



-Original Message- 
From: Vishnu Ramchandani

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the 
concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the 
appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get 
fare' button displays the following message:

"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the 
issue is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare 
since past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed 
from their website, then is there any other way to view the concession 
fare enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from 
indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.


Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[bhawani shankar verma]

12070 is a janshatabdi express and there is no concession on janshatabdi. it 
is in rajdhani and shatabdi. secondly while booking concession ticket over 
the counter, presently no aadhar is required. it is optional for senior 
citizen upto 31st march and later it is mandatory.




-Original Message- 
From: mukesh jain

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:16 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


hello,
sincere appology for the wrong updates. i have just now tried to book
the concessional ticket through IRCTC and its showing as expected. but
still i recall availing the concession in one of the train called
shatabdi express runs in my state i.e. train no. 12070 but now there
is no concession available on their site.
perhapes they have removed the concessions on this train.


On 12/7/16, Aravind R  wrote:

oh ok sir thank you. i thought wrongly that we r also included.

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:

no aadhar will be required for senior citizens only.


-Original Message-
From: Aravind R
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:16 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
indianrail.gov.in

and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.

On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:

Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on
'get
fare' button displays the following message:
"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the
issue
is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare
since
past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed
from
their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.

Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[bhawani shankar verma]

better is to contact web administrator of railway portal CRIS.


-Original Message- 
From: P. Subramani

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:23 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


manual calculations are not simple, its not like total fare divided by
one-fourth, we get concession only with fare for distance and no concession
on other charges
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From: "bhawani shankar verma" 

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
indianrail.gov.in


it is removed from their website and required to take the matter with 
CRIS. however you can still book concession tickets through IRCTC and 
counters. further we have to manually calculate estimated concessional 
fair.



-Original Message- 
From: Vishnu Ramchandani

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the 
concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the 
appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get 
fare' button displays the following message:

"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the 
issue is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare 
since past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed 
from their website, then is there any other way to view the concession 
fare enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from 
indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.


Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Shyam M. Sayanekar]

Mr. Ajay, now both Chandrashekhar Kulkarni and myself will come to you to 
sit at your feet to learn our responsibilities as academicians. Thanks
- Original Message - 
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call




Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:

Dear list memberss,
A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
security.
Sincerely,
C. B. Kulkkarni

On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
easy
to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
solved
by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
them.
Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear 
several

cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
the
people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
- Original Message -
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making 
online

payments is tough call



Hi,

It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.

On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
issue
should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
other
issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
- Original Message -
From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs." 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



*http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
*

*BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
online
seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
Indians
with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.


According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society 
(CIS)

last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food
delivery,
online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not
accessible
to
people with vision disabilities. The study covered 22 apps.

The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in the
country
at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real figure is closer to
150
million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads of
mobile-based applications last year.

“The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says that
all
IT products and services should be accessible. However, the 
government

is
still unable to implement it. Several government apps are
inaccessibl

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Rajashekhar, Shekhar]

Good thought Ajay, agree with you.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Shyam M. Sayanekar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:17 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call

Mr. Ajay, now both Chandrashekhar Kulkarni and myself will come to you to sit 
at your feet to learn our responsibilities as academicians. Thanks
- Original Message -
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled." 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call


> Hi sir,
>
> Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
> without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
> responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
> society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
> that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
> computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
> happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
> bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
> careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
> 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
> a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
> every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
> end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
> list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
> generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
> information.
>
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
>
> On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
>> Dear list memberss,
>> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
>> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
>> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
>> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
>> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
>> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
>> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not
>> only from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
>> security.
>> Sincerely,
>> C. B. Kulkkarni
>>
>> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>>> Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It
>>> is easy to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do
>>> not get solved by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if
>>> you disagree with them.
>>> Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear
>>> several cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also
>>> hear about the people getting robbed through their credit and debit
>>> cards. If it is the case with the sighted people, how difficult it
>>> can be for the visually impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M.
>>> sayanekar.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled." 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
>>> online payments is tough call
>>>
>>>
 Hi,

 It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.

 On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
> A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on
> this issue should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor
> involved in cashless transactions with regard to the VI also has
> to be taken into account.
> Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are
> also other issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
> mobile phones and Tabs." 
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
> Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
> online payments is tough call
>
>
>> *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-in
>> dians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
>> > dians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/>*
>>
>> *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
>> online seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for
>> millions of Indians with disabilities, these apps are not
>> designed for them to use.
>>
>>
>> According to a study cond

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[George Abraham]

Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to all 
financial services including all websites, apps etc. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call

Dear all
Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

Leikhu Laishram


On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Hey George sir,
>
> I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing the
> change by those who are teck literate.
>
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham"  wrote:
>
>> Ajay,
>>
>> The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
>> blind
>> people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities
>> are
>> inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking facilities
>>
>> to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important to
>>
>> empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
>> cashless
>> economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The switch
>> is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
>> critical that Digital India becomes accessible.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ajay Minocha
>> Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>> Hi sir,
>>
>> Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
>> without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
>> responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
>> society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
>> that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
>> computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
>> happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
>> bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
>> careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
>> 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
>> a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
>> every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
>> end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
>> list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
>> generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
>> information.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ajay
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
>>> Dear list memberss,
>>> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
>>> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
>>> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
>>> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
>>> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
>>> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
>>> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
>>> from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
>>> security.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> C. B. Kulkkarni
>>>
>>> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
 Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
 easy
 to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
 solved
 by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
 them.
 Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear
 several
 cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
 the
 people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
 case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
 impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Ajay Minocha" 
 To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and 

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Niranjanraj Urs]

On 12/7/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
> Mr. Ajay, now both Chandrashekhar Kulkarni and myself will come to you to
> sit at your feet to learn our responsibilities as academicians. Thanks
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled." 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
> payments is tough call
>
>
>> Hi sir,
>>
>> Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
>> without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
>> responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
>> society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
>> that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
>> computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
>> happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
>> bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
>> careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
>> 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
>> a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
>> every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
>> end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
>> list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
>> generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
>> information.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ajay
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
>>> Dear list memberss,
>>> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
>>> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
>>> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
>>> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
>>> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
>>> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
>>> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
>>> from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
>>> security.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> C. B. Kulkkarni
>>>
>>> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
 Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
 easy
 to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
 solved
 by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
 them.
 Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear
 several
 cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
 the
 people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
 case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
 impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Ajay Minocha" 
 To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled." 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
 online
 payments is tough call


> Hi,
>
> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.
>
> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>> A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
>> issue
>> should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
>> transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
>> Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
>> other
>> issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
>> phones and Tabs." 
>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
>> Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>>
>>> *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
>>> *
>>>
>>> *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
>>> online
>>> seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
>>> Indians
>>> with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society
>>> (CIS)
>>> last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food
>>> delivery,
>>> online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not
>>> acce

Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Nice to note. Yet keen to know Will  Malayalam be one of the
languages. Most often Malayalam is not even considered as an Indian
language. Hope its not the case..

On 12/7/16, Shaswat Jena  wrote:
> Mujeeb,
>
> The pro / paid version will support a large of languages including Indian
> regional languages. We will be rolling out the pro version of the by the
> end of Jan 1st week at a very nominal subscription fee.
>
> Sinoj,
>
> Glad that you found the app helpful, As mentioned earlier the advanced OCR
> will have options to save, share and other features which will be included
> in the paid / pro version of Eye-D app.
>
> Vikas,
>
> Thanks for bringing forward the issue. I would still say that there seems
> to be some issue with your version of WhatsApp. We checked for the issue
> with latest version of Eye-D and WhatsApp everything seems to work
> flawlessly without any issue. We even checked this with both JPEG and PNG
> files there was slight performance degrade for PNG images which will fix in
> next updates.
>
> Regards,
> Shaswat
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Vikas Kapoor  wrote:
>
>> The problem is not with the printed documents as you are suggesting, the
>> problem is with exporting the what sap images to be able to read them out.
>> As I reported earlier, everything was fine, but once I performed a factory
>> reset on my phone, the problem started coming in. I assume if I'd
>> installed
>> both these applications on my phone day before yesterday, the apps might
>> be
>> having the latest versions.
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Shaswat Jena
>>   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>>   Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:56 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds
>>
>>
>>   Hello All,
>>
>>   I'm Shaswat from Eye-D. I'm really sorry that some of your are not being
>>   able to use the app. Please note that there was an similar issue with
>> the
>>   Facebook app which resulted in the failure of image sharing and
>> processing
>>   it externally earlier, so I would suggest you to update your Eye-D app
>> and
>>   WhatsApp as no such issue is being observed on our end.
>>
>>   Gufran / Vikas,
>>
>>   For better results results please try to hold your phone 15-20 cms above
>>   the printed document for now. We will be rolling out major OCR and
>> feature
>>   upgrades gradually to improve your app experience.
>>
>>   Thank you Satguru for answering the queries :)
>>
>>   Please do let me know if you have any queries and suggestions.
>>
>>   Regards,
>>   Shaswat
>>
>>   Eye-D 
>>
>>   https://in.linkedin.com/in/shaswatjena
>>
>>   National Award Winner (Best Innovators of 2016
>>   )
>>
>>
>>   On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Mujeeb Rahman > >
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   > Super!!
>>   >
>>   > On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>>   > > 1. open WhatsApp.
>>   > > 2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
>>   > > 3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
>>   > > 4. click on share.
>>   > > 5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results
>>   > > from the talkback.
>>   > >
>>   > > note: you need internet connection to use this service.
>>   > >
>>   > > yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work
>>   > > around with it.
>>   > >
>>   > > here, guess work takes place.
>>   > >
>>   > > you cant expect perfect solution from this app.
>>   > >
>>   > > this is just my opinion.
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > > On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>>   > >> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
>>   > >> Request the steps..
>>   > >>
>>   > >> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>>   > >>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all
>> the
>>   > >>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and
>> other
>>   > >>> social networking sites.
>>   > >>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its
>> not
>>   > >>> supporting for other languages.
>>   > >>>
>>   > >>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be
>> very
>>   > >>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the
>>   > >>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all
>> lingual
>>   > >>> people might benifited.
>>   > >>>
>>   > >>>
>>   > >>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
>>   >  Hi,
>>   > 
>>   >  As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such
>>   >  workarounds
>>   >  we all must have innovated while working with access
>> technologies.
>>   >  Today
>>   >  we have multiple devices with A T, combination of them will be
>>   > helpful.
>>   >  It
>>   >  will be a great thing if we share with the A I list for
>> benefiting
>>   >  others.
>>   > 
>>   >  One such case is suppose your PC has a bit locker login where we
>> need
>>  

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1. A walk to support cricket for the visually impaired

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second T-20 World Cup Cricket for the Blind, slated to be held in
January, the Samarthanam Trust for the Disabled is organizing a
walkathon from Kittur Rani Chennamma Stadium in Jayanagar. The Indian
team will take on visually challenged players from nine other
countries; they will play with metal stumps and jingle ball. Source:
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The Bombay High Court has asked the Reserve Bank of India to file
within six weeks its response to a public interest litigation (PIL)
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identifying currency notes and coins in recent years.

A Division Bench headed by Chief Justice Manjula Chellur, hearing a
plea by the National Association for the Blind (NAB) on Monday, asked
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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Glad to see the discussion going on the right direction and would like
to have more clarity on the proposed reservation ratio..
On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Faking blindness looks as jenuin as one real blind man/woman. It will
> be near impossible to knab such criminals. Moreover, many government
> establishments will prefer taking fake disabled rather the jenuin
> people with disabilities. This is the practice being in place in many
> states already.
>
> On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
>> other categories will be entitled for other beneficed such as
>> concession , right to food shelter and cloth .
>> .5 for low vision and .5 for blind is not clear yet and the person who
>> possess fake certificate can be imprisoned and also be charged high
>> fine
>> there is provision for penalty who uses fake certificate
>>
>> On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>>> How do you know it? 0.5 per cent each is expected to be divided
>>> between totally blind and low-vision categories. I've made a cursory
>>> read on the amendments and asking the biggest question why the
>>> government has not yet specified in clear terms about how the 4 per
>>> cent reservation will be distributed among increased categories in the
>>> proposed Bill. The instances abound where the low-vision have hundred
>>> per cent certificate and the sighted people have low-vision
>>> certificate and they are using the document to sail through in the
>>> government jobs. Government is hellbent in giving certificate but what
>>> about the menace of fake certificates? what does the law say about it?
>>> I don't know.  Many states including Himachal Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar
>>> Pradesh have publickly affirmed that they don't want totally blind
>>> people in their offices at any cost. In fact majority of government
>>> offices don't want those who can't talk in their eyes.  Where do we go
>>> from here, in hell perhaps.  people living in the cities and those
>>> already employed are fortunate ones. and those who've sound family
>>> support system and keep on teaching list that 'something is good than
>>> nothing' will continue to sing the government version song  for their
>>> personal goals. They are very much in demand for awards. And they will
>>> continue to play partisan role to be patronized. upcoming times are
>>> not gonna be rosy, be prepared and learn the art to face the bumpy
>>> road from the so called 'normal' and from our own blind friends who
>>> are there to collaborate to make you 'inspirational' and 'role
>>> models'; cause being ordinary is an extraordinary crime if you are
>>> disabled...
>>>  On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
 reservation of blind will not be tempered.

 On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon.
> Supreme
> Court..
>
> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
>> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve
>> with
>> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
>> openion,
>> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
>> stream.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>>
>>> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally
>>> blind?
>>> With warm regards Sakina.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>>
 No it isn’t.
 It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great
 non
 strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
 Kanchan

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
 sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
 On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Suggest a hair cut!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On
> Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> c

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[bhawani shankar verma]

i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb 
UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually. you 
need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register it 
through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular account. 
the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.


- Original Message - 
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'" 

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call



Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to all 
financial services including all websites, apps etc.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa

Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call


Dear all
Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

Leikhu Laishram


On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hey George sir,

I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing 
the

change by those who are teck literate.

Regards,
Ajay

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On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham"  
wrote:



Ajay,

The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
blind
people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities
are
inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking 
facilities


to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important 
to


empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
cashless
economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The 
switch

is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
critical that Digital India becomes accessible.

Regards,

George


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Ajay Minocha
Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning


the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making 
online

payments is tough call

Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  
wrote:

Dear list memberss,
A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
security.
Sincerely,
C. B. Kulkkarni

On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It 
is

easy
to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
solved
by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
them.
Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear
several
cases of the 

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[gopala krishna]

vishnu sir, you want 53 categories concession information?, that
concession information same indianrail.gov.in website
in december second 2016.if you want give your e mail i d, i will
pasting in your mail. and give your mobile number, your e mail i d. in
this your mail no your mobile number, thatswhy i cont hone you.
regards t gopalakrishna
mobile:
9019105558
my e mail i d:
gopalfi...@gmail.com

On 12/6/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
> concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
> appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get
> fare' button displays the following message:
> "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".
>
> Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the issue
> is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since
> past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from
> their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
> enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
> indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.
>
> Regards,
> Vishnu
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Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[gopala krishna]

correct sir

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> 12070 is a janshatabdi express and there is no concession on janshatabdi. it
>
> is in rajdhani and shatabdi. secondly while booking concession ticket over
> the counter, presently no aadhar is required. it is optional for senior
> citizen upto 31st march and later it is mandatory.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mukesh jain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:16 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
> indianrail.gov.in
>
> hello,
> sincere appology for the wrong updates. i have just now tried to book
> the concessional ticket through IRCTC and its showing as expected. but
> still i recall availing the concession in one of the train called
> shatabdi express runs in my state i.e. train no. 12070 but now there
> is no concession available on their site.
> perhapes they have removed the concessions on this train.
>
>
> On 12/7/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>> oh ok sir thank you. i thought wrongly that we r also included.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>>> no aadhar will be required for senior citizens only.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Aravind R
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:16 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
>>> indianrail.gov.in
>>>
>>> and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
>>> aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
 Dear All,

 It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
 concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
 appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on
 'get
 fare' button displays the following message:
 "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

 Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the
 issue
 is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare
 since
 past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed
 from
 their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
 enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
 indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.

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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.
>>>
>>> r. aravind,
>>>
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>>> Department of sales
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Re: [AI] Edelweiss Tokio Life Insurance insures Indian paralympian meddalists with Rs 1 crore life cover

[Hassim syed]

Hi friends,
I have taken a term polocy worth 1 crore from Max Life.

With wishes.

On 12/5/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> One is from SBI life.  Will have to check with the other one.
>
> On 12/5/16, Mohit Gupta  wrote:
>> hi vamshi
>> from which insurance company your friends buy term policies?
>>
>> On 12/4/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>>> Dear Mohit,
>>>
>>> There should not be something like insurance policies available for
>>> disabled.  Instead, it should be like available insurance policies,
>>> and non-discrimination for disabled in the same.  Recently, two of my
>>> friends could have Rs. 50 lakhs term policies without any
>>> discrimination.  So, it seems things are changing.  Still, common
>>> guidelines from IRDA as in the case of by RBI banking would be good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/4/16, Amar Jain  wrote:
 Mohit, lets speak on phone so that I can explain you better? My cell
 no.
 is
 9892622230.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On 04-Dec-2016, at 3:40 PM, Mohit Gupta 
> wrote:
>
> Dear amer
> Do you know insurance policies available for disabled in india.
>
>> On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> Thanks for sharing this, IRDAI has always come out with impractical
>> proposals for people with disabilities. To add to this, the
>> discriminatory
>> underwriting policy of insurers.
>>
>> Let me know if anyone else is interested to work on issues concerning
>> insurance.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Amar Jain
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 01-Dec-2016, at 1:12 PM, Akanksha Jain
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.indiablooms.com/ibns_new/finance-details/6006/edelweiss-tokio-life-insurance-insures-indian-paralympic-medallists-with-rs-1-crore-life-cover.html
>>>
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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Zoher Kheriwala]

Hi friends,
till now this topic is discussed only from the point of view of blind
customer or amount sender only. What about the small business runner
who suffers from blindness?
the swipe machine or POS machine installed in there shop is not at all
accessible. Even you cant memorize the steps to accept the payment as
the software of these machines are periodically updated due to
security reasons, which makes the accepting process different with
each update. Moreover some times due to card failure or network
failure a blind shop owner does not come to know that whether the
payment received successfully or not.

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb
> UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually. you
> need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register it
> through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular account.
> the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Abraham" 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
> payments is tough call
>
>
>> Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to all
>>
>> financial services including all websites, apps etc.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>> Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>> Dear all
>> Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
>> sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
>> cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
>> who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
>> difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
>> and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
>> implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
>> of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.
>>
>> Leikhu Laishram
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>> Hey George sir,
>>>
>>> I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing
>>> the
>>> change by those who are teck literate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ajay
>>>
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>>>
>>> On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ajay,

 The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
 blind
 people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities
 are
 inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking
 facilities

 to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important
 to

 empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
 cashless
 economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The
 switch
 is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
 critical that Digital India becomes accessible.

 Regards,

 George


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Ajay Minocha
 Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning

 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
 online
 payments is tough call

 Hi sir,

 Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
 without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
 responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
 society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
 that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
 computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
 happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
 bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
 careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
 a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
 every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
 end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
 list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
 generation who considers this list to be the p

[AI] Focus moving out issue in Windows 10:

[Ajeesh Thomas]

Hi All,
Facing a  strange problem, kindly help,
I am using Windows 10 with  JAWS 17 in HP Laptop , while working
frequently   the focus is moving out   from the active Window, without
any Keyboard /Mouse  command
for Example"  If I am playing a   Video  in VLC Media player,  without
 touching Keyboard or Mouse focus   is   moving out,
to control the Media player  I have to use "Alt-+ Tab or other
Keyboard commands "  to switch back to the  Media player .
For your kind information my mouse  I  have kept it disabled.
How to resolve this issue? Could you Please help .
Thanks in advance,

-- 
" Have a fantastic day "ahead"

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Accessibility Test Engineer,
IBM India, Banglore,
Mob: 0  81233 81222,Lan: 04742586821, Office: 04443423000
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 you'll always have more.
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[AI] Spare a thought for disabled, pass the bill

[M Sivakumar]

Spare a thought for disabled, pass the bill
TNN | Updated: Dec 7, 2016, 06.34 AM IST

  For millions of Indians with disabilities and their families and
friends, it was a momentous occasion when in April 2010, the then
Government constituted a committee to draft a new disability rights
legislation, keeping in mind India's commitment to the United Nations
Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD).

It has been more than six years since then.
The Rights of Persons with Disabilities (RPWD) Bill 2014 was tabled in
Rajya Sabha in February 2014. It has been more than two years since
then. On December 2, last Friday, the eve of International Day of
Persons with Disabilities, the entire country was looking at Rajya
Sabha in hopeful anticipation. It would have been an unprecedented
gift for our brothers and sisters with disabilities had the RPWD bill
been passed.
That did not happen.
Our honourable parliamentarians let politics triumph over the lives of
millions of persons with disabilities-one of the most marginalised
populations-an integral part of the "people of this country" that they
claim to represent.
On December 5, the minister of social justice and empowerment tried to
speak over the noise and move the bill for consideration and passage.
Even the deputy chairman of Rajya Sabha urged all MPs to at least
allow this bill to pass, reminding them that it was a
"non-controversial" matter. The Opposition, however, did not relent.

While we respect the onerous responsibility that our parliamentarians
have, we urge them to please spare a thought for that disabled person
in the remotest village, struggling to live a life of basic dignity,
to please spare a thought for that mother with a child with
disability, running from pillar to post. And above all, to please
realise that this bill is a completely non-political matter.
The new disability law is not just another law. It will be a game changer.

Amongst disabled people, there are the haves and have-nots. So far,
only the three big disability groups-orthopaedically disabled, blind
and deaf-have benefited from various entitlements. Others like people
with intellectual disabilities, people with psychosocial disabilities,
people affected by leprosy and people with cerebral palsy or autism,
by and large, got nothing. This new disability law will change that.
There is a lot in it for the have-nots.
Other than the neglected disabilities, there are as many as 14 more
brand new disabilities being added. People with thalassemia,
haemophilia, muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, learning
disabilities, etc. would finally be able to get their rights, most
important being protection against blatant discrimination.
Source
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Spare-a-thought-for-disabled-pass-the-bill/articleshow/55845478.cms


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ஆரம்ப நிலையில் தான் அடுத்தவர் பாராட்டைப்  பெற மனம் நாடும்
அதற்கடுத்த நிலையில் மனம்
 புடம் போடப்பட்டு எதையும் தாங்கும்.

Dr. M. SIVAKUMAR.
GUEST LECTURER, DEPARTMENT OF TAMIL,
GOVERNMENT ARTS COLLEGE, KARUR.


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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi Zoher,

Very well said! It is indeed problematic for a visually impaired shop
owner to operate a POS machine. Such business operators are stuck in
the midway, They can neither go on a cash-only mode nore can they
operate the machines. Have heard that Paytm has recently launched a
POS system, It can surely prove a boon for such business operators.
One quick question, isn't the receipt we get from the POS machine a
reliable source of varifying that the payment has indeed been
received? because you don't get slips in case of a failed transaction.
Guys would urge any business owners to contribute!

Regards,
Ajay

On 12/7/16, Zoher Kheriwala  wrote:
> Hi friends,
> till now this topic is discussed only from the point of view of blind
> customer or amount sender only. What about the small business runner
> who suffers from blindness?
> the swipe machine or POS machine installed in there shop is not at all
> accessible. Even you cant memorize the steps to accept the payment as
> the software of these machines are periodically updated due to
> security reasons, which makes the accepting process different with
> each update. Moreover some times due to card failure or network
> failure a blind shop owner does not come to know that whether the
> payment received successfully or not.
>
> On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>> i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb
>> UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually. you
>> need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register
>> it
>> through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular
>> account.
>> the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Abraham" 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>>
>>> Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to
>>> all
>>>
>>> financial services including all websites, apps etc.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>> Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>>
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>>> payments is tough call
>>>
>>> Dear all
>>> Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
>>> sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
>>> cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
>>> who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
>>> difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
>>> and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
>>> implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
>>> of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.
>>>
>>> Leikhu Laishram
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
 Hey George sir,

 I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing
 the
 change by those who are teck literate.

 Regards,
 Ajay

 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com


 On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham" 
 wrote:

> Ajay,
>
> The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
> blind
> people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities
> are
> inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking
> facilities
>
> to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important
> to
>
> empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
> cashless
> economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The
> switch
> is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
> critical that Digital India becomes accessible.
>
> Regards,
>
> George
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Ajay Minocha
> Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
>
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
> online
> payments is tough call
>
> Hi sir,
>
> Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
> without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
> responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
> society and impart that knowledge to your students

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Ajay Minocha]

100% Agree with Avinash, detecting the actual percentage has been a
grey area since long and the so-called visually impaired feternity is
the biggest threat to the livelyhood and employment of people in
genuan need.

Regards,
Ajay

On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
> Glad to see the discussion going on the right direction and would like
> to have more clarity on the proposed reservation ratio..
> On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> Faking blindness looks as jenuin as one real blind man/woman. It will
>> be near impossible to knab such criminals. Moreover, many government
>> establishments will prefer taking fake disabled rather the jenuin
>> people with disabilities. This is the practice being in place in many
>> states already.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
>>> other categories will be entitled for other beneficed such as
>>> concession , right to food shelter and cloth .
>>> .5 for low vision and .5 for blind is not clear yet and the person who
>>> possess fake certificate can be imprisoned and also be charged high
>>> fine
>>> there is provision for penalty who uses fake certificate
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
 How do you know it? 0.5 per cent each is expected to be divided
 between totally blind and low-vision categories. I've made a cursory
 read on the amendments and asking the biggest question why the
 government has not yet specified in clear terms about how the 4 per
 cent reservation will be distributed among increased categories in the
 proposed Bill. The instances abound where the low-vision have hundred
 per cent certificate and the sighted people have low-vision
 certificate and they are using the document to sail through in the
 government jobs. Government is hellbent in giving certificate but what
 about the menace of fake certificates? what does the law say about it?
 I don't know.  Many states including Himachal Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar
 Pradesh have publickly affirmed that they don't want totally blind
 people in their offices at any cost. In fact majority of government
 offices don't want those who can't talk in their eyes.  Where do we go
 from here, in hell perhaps.  people living in the cities and those
 already employed are fortunate ones. and those who've sound family
 support system and keep on teaching list that 'something is good than
 nothing' will continue to sing the government version song  for their
 personal goals. They are very much in demand for awards. And they will
 continue to play partisan role to be patronized. upcoming times are
 not gonna be rosy, be prepared and learn the art to face the bumpy
 road from the so called 'normal' and from our own blind friends who
 are there to collaborate to make you 'inspirational' and 'role
 models'; cause being ordinary is an extraordinary crime if you are
 disabled...
  On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>
> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon.
>> Supreme
>> Court..
>>
>> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
>>> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve
>>> with
>>> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
>>> openion,
>>> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
>>> stream.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled." 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>>
 Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally
 blind?
 With warm regards Sakina.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
 To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'" 
 Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information


> No it isn’t.
> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great
> non
> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On
> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
>>>

[AI] reg0-IBPS format for disability certificate

[D H]

hi all,

hope all is well with all the access indian
i have one urgent query as,i do have disability certificate made in
2008 but hospital quoded my date of birth wrong only year rest is
correct,so,i am just wondering do i have to apply for new disability
certificate or this will do for IBPS interview time
if,i need to apply new one could someone send me format of IBPS disability
try to make in this format from the hospital,would really appriciate
help and prompt response from experts people who have cleared IBPS
exam and interview..


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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[bhawani shankar verma]

they can give the customer his IFSC code and account number. the customer 
can transfer money instantly through UPI. as you quoted a small business 
owner, the transfer limit of Rs.1/- UPI limit should suffice the matter.


- Original Message - 
From: "Zoher Kheriwala" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call




Hi friends,
till now this topic is discussed only from the point of view of blind
customer or amount sender only. What about the small business runner
who suffers from blindness?
the swipe machine or POS machine installed in there shop is not at all
accessible. Even you cant memorize the steps to accept the payment as
the software of these machines are periodically updated due to
security reasons, which makes the accepting process different with
each update. Moreover some times due to card failure or network
failure a blind shop owner does not come to know that whether the
payment received successfully or not.

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:

i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb
UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually. 
you
need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register 
it
through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular 
account.

the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.

- Original Message -
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call


Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to 
all


financial services including all websites, apps etc.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning


the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making 
online

payments is tough call

Dear all
Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

Leikhu Laishram


On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hey George sir,

I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing
the
change by those who are teck literate.

Regards,
Ajay

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On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham" 
wrote:


Ajay,

The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
blind
people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking 
facilities

are
inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking
facilities

to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is 
important

to

empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
cashless
economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The
switch
is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
critical that Digital India becomes accessible.

Regards,

George


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Ajay Minocha
Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
online
payments is tough call

Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but a

[AI] Amendments to RPD Bill Moved by CPI(M) MPs

[National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled]

*Amendments to the  Rights of Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2014 Moved by
Shri K K Ragesh & Shri C.P. Narayanan, CPI(M) Members of the Rajya Sabha*



Page 4, line 18 & 19, for the words "No person with disability shall be
discriminated on the ground of disability, unless it is shown that the
impugned act or omission is appropriate to achieve a legitimate aim"  be
substituted with "No person with disability shall be discriminated on the
grounds of disability".

Page 10, for lines 3 to 6, the following be substituted, namely:

“The appropriate Government shall formulate necessary schemes and
programmes to safeguard and promote the right of persons with disabilities
for adequate standard of living to enable them to live independently or in
the community:”

Page 12, for lines 42 to 45 the following be substituted, namely:

"Every appropriate government shall appoint in every government
establishment, not less than five per cent of the total number of vacancies
in the cadre strength with persons with benchmark disabilities of which, on
per cent each shall be reserved for persons with benchmark disabilities
under clauses (a), (b), (c), (d) and (e) respectively.



Page 13, for lines 8 to 14, the following be substituted, namely:

"Provided that the appropriate government shall issue necessary
instructions in this regard also covering reservation in promotions in all
groups of posts for employees with benchmark disabilities immediately on
this Act coming into force.

Provided further that the appropriate government, in consultation with the
National Commission or the State Commission, as the case may be, having
regard to the type of work carried out in any government establishment by
notification and subject to such conditions, if any, as may be specified in
such notifications exempt any Government establishment from the provisions
of this section."

Page 9, Lines 8 to 10, the following to be substituted, namely:

"Provided that the appropriate government, in consultation with the
National Commission or the State Commission, as the case may be, having
regard to the type of work carried out in any government establishment by
notification and subject to such conditions, if any, as may be specified in
such notifications exempt any Government establishment from the provisions
of this section."

Page 35, line 42 to 44, the following to be substituted, namely:

"The provisions of this Act are in addition to and not in derogation of the
provisions of the Persons with Disabilities (Equal Opportunity Protection
of Rights  and Full Participation) Act, 1995, existing rules,  regulations,
executive instructions and orders issued from time to time for the benefit
of persons with disabilities"


There are a few more amendments, but we have not been able to get the copy
that has been circulated

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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Zoher Kheriwala]

Dear Ajai,
Generating a receipt by POS machine does not confirm the receipt of
payment. Sometimes amount is deducted from customers account but
transaction gets failed due to server problem. In above case the POS
machine generates transaction failed receipt which we have to give to
customer as a proof of unsuccessful transaction. We experience same
thing on online payment as amount get deducted from our account but
the online store does not receive the payment. This is very common
with IRCTC web site.
Bhawani sir, in today’s competitive market we have to give that
payment options which are comfortable to customer, swiping the card is
commonly accepted method of cashless transaction.
.

On 12/8/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> they can give the customer his IFSC code and account number. the customer
> can transfer money instantly through UPI. as you quoted a small business
> owner, the transfer limit of Rs.1/- UPI limit should suffice the matter.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Zoher Kheriwala" 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled." 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
> payments is tough call
>
>
>> Hi friends,
>> till now this topic is discussed only from the point of view of blind
>> customer or amount sender only. What about the small business runner
>> who suffers from blindness?
>> the swipe machine or POS machine installed in there shop is not at all
>> accessible. Even you cant memorize the steps to accept the payment as
>> the software of these machines are periodically updated due to
>> security reasons, which makes the accepting process different with
>> each update. Moreover some times due to card failure or network
>> failure a blind shop owner does not come to know that whether the
>> payment received successfully or not.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>>> i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb
>>> UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually.
>>> you
>>> need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register
>>> it
>>> through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular
>>> account.
>>> the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "George Abraham" 
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>>> payments is tough call
>>>
>>>
 Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to
 all

 financial services including all websites, apps etc.

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
 Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning

 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
 online
 payments is tough call

 Dear all
 Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
 sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
 cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
 who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
 difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
 and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
 implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
 of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

 Leikhu Laishram


 On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Hey George sir,
>
> I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing
> the
> change by those who are teck literate.
>
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ajay,
>>
>> The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
>> blind
>> people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking
>> facilities
>> are
>> inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking
>> facilities
>>
>> to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is
>> important
>> to
>>
>> empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
>> cashless
>> economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The
>> switch
>> is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
>> critical that Digital India becomes accessible.
>>
>> Reg

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Ajay Minocha]

yes but ifI sell a common product then the customer wouldnt take that much 
pain only for me. Even in paytm it is very easy as the customer has to just 
scan the qr code.


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On December 8, 2016 7:11:53 AM "bhawani shankar verma" 
 wrote:



they can give the customer his IFSC code and account number. the customer
can transfer money instantly through UPI. as you quoted a small business
owner, the transfer limit of Rs.1/- UPI limit should suffice the matter.

- Original Message -
From: "Zoher Kheriwala" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



Hi friends,
till now this topic is discussed only from the point of view of blind
customer or amount sender only. What about the small business runner
who suffers from blindness?
the swipe machine or POS machine installed in there shop is not at all
accessible. Even you cant memorize the steps to accept the payment as
the software of these machines are periodically updated due to
security reasons, which makes the accepting process different with
each update. Moreover some times due to card failure or network
failure a blind shop owner does not come to know that whether the
payment received successfully or not.

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:

i suggest to use UPI app of your bank in particular. in my case it is pnb
UPI app and is 90% accessible. Some buttons are to be labled manually.
you
need not to register yourself for internet banking etc. you can register
it
through your linked mobile number, and debit card with a particular
account.
the maximum limit is rs.1/- through this mode.

- Original Message -
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled.'" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



Rightly said! I see it as an opportunity  for us to push for access to
all

financial services including all websites, apps etc.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
Sent: 07 December 2016 14:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
online
payments is tough call

Dear all
Of course every blind or visually impaired are not literate or tech
sabby. This is the case with the non-disabled people too. Moreover
cashless is not going to happen overnight. But there are many among us
who are familiar with cashless system and can use without any
difficulty. So the debate should be how to make the system accessible
and how to remove the administrative bottleneck and proper
implementation of the programmes and policies. Just take the instances
of denial of ATM card and cheque facilities by various bank branches.

Leikhu Laishram


On 12/7/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hey George sir,

I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing
the
change by those who are teck literate.

Regards,
Ajay

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On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham" 
wrote:


Ajay,

The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of
blind
people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking
facilities
are
inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking
facilities

to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is
important
to

empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the
cashless
economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The
switch
is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more
critical that Digital India becomes accessible.

Regards,

George


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Ajay Minocha
Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making
online
payments is tough call

Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office enviro

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I am selva from bangalore
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