Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Vamshi. G]

There are opinions about inviting govt. officials to become members of
Access India to learn about accessibility.  Instead we can create a
blogg kind of thing (which we had during draft of RPD bill) to write
our opinions and summarise them and submit to government bodies.  We
picked up the words "audio on web sites" and hence comment about their
inability in comprehending or expressing I.T accessibility.  But do we
know whether their view on accessibility of infrastructure or
transport is in the right sense?

We can have a time frame for inviting suggestions from all our members
on accessibility of all the three aspects i.e., I.T, infrastructure
and transport.  Then we can submit to government keeping the blogg
alive to show it is voiced by so many visually impaired.


On 9/17/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> I have just sent a mail to Mr Mukesh Jain with reference to his quote in the
> TOI. Mr Mukesh Jain is positively well meaning. He needs guidance. Experts
> can rally around him and give him inputs. I would like to ask the group as
> to who might be considered the foremost IT accessibility experts in the
> country. Any ideas? Can names be shared?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of SC Vashishth
> Sent: 17 September 2015 10:58
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
>
> Prashant, despite being on program monitoring unit, we haven't got any call
> till date for any meeting of PMU since we last met which I had shared with
> some of you on different platform.
>
> But we have been very categorical right from beginning that Accessibility
> means access to ICT, physical infra & transport infra. The ICT doesn't get
> left out. Those of you who are ICT experts can send your expression of
> interest to the Ministry so that the work of auditing website etc could come
> to you. I hope you will understand India has a good number of experts and
> not all may see representation on few committees. But idea is that all get
> involved in the process and the sector is kept informed.
>
> Sometimes media bytes picked up also have a tone of the selective reporting
> and missing the crux. Thus lets not criticize the intention or the
> activities of the department. Mr. Mukesh Jain is a well meaning joint
> secretary in the Ministry and is doing a wonderful work with a small team.
> If we all can supplement their effort with our expertise, it can bring the
> desired results much faster.
> regards
> Subhash
>
> On 17 September 2015 at 08:19, Prashant Verma <prashant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not
>> include me and DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit
>> which is implementing this campaign.
>> The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be
>> forgotten or badly implemented.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole
>> Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India
>> disabled-friendly
>>
>> Really the statements are rediculous!
>>
>> I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute
>> accessible india campaign who have little idea about accessible built
>> infrastructure and digital accessibility.
>> Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert
>> suggestions. They can get expert openions from each members. No need
>> to spend millions of rupies for brain storming.
>>
>> Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of
>> various universities and colleges where they can get good partners and
>> very good channels to collect suggestions and implement various
>> schemes effectively.
>>
>> There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and
>> accessibility centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups
>> of various IT companies too.
>>
>> I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain
>> about our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for
>> awareness about various accessibility standards and regulations at
>> layman level that we are already doing since last 4 years in
>> government and corporate organizations. I also called him several time
>> for meeting schedules. I told him that we w

Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[avinash shahi]

It would be unjust to share names. Cause India has many IT experts
both disabled/non-disabled working in the disability accessibility
sector. But yes, the government needs to establish a transparent
mechanism to empanel experts for various accessibility-related
initiatives. Then questions such as: what is a minimum criteria
prescribed to be eligible to be consulted by the government? Shouldn't
they hold relevant degrees/certificates from state-recognized
universities/agencies? And of course track-record and experience
should also constitute one of the key determinants for selection. As
NAB has proven track-record of leading IT accessibility drive from the
front.  But alas, government will not do this. It wants accessibility
experts to work with the government on contract bases. And of course,
exclusive right of officials to hire and fire them at will. It leads
to unnecessary mutual praising between NGO-representatives and the
government to always remain in the consideration. This
compulsion-politics needs to be studied much deeper...  Anyway, This
trend is picking up momentum in the government sector which is gonna
hit very hard our disability sector. For example, We're yet to have
fulltime CCPD for months; and the disability sector is mum for
incomprehensible reasons. Finally, our disability-NGOs are not enough
strong as industry-bodies and trade unions who go all out to get their
dues. Massbase support and backing is the backbone for any
organization. NFB is the real outcome of it.  However the most of
disability NGOs are yet to understand this inescapable reality of
real-politics in the contemporary time. One personal/moral  thought:
Its high time the disabled government/private  employees should
contribute little bit money to NGOs which they consider are working
upto their expectations in the field. The fund-crunch and dependency
on non-disabled donors who impose certain conditions is actually a big
concern for independent functioning of disability NGOs. Lets support
our NGOs and guide them to do the advocacy with independence and
autonomy.

 On 9/17/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> I have just sent a mail to Mr Mukesh Jain with reference to his quote in the
> TOI. Mr Mukesh Jain is positively well meaning. He needs guidance. Experts
> can rally around him and give him inputs. I would like to ask the group as
> to who might be considered the foremost IT accessibility experts in the
> country. Any ideas? Can names be shared?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of SC Vashishth
> Sent: 17 September 2015 10:58
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
>
> Prashant, despite being on program monitoring unit, we haven't got any call
> till date for any meeting of PMU since we last met which I had shared with
> some of you on different platform.
>
> But we have been very categorical right from beginning that Accessibility
> means access to ICT, physical infra & transport infra. The ICT doesn't get
> left out. Those of you who are ICT experts can send your expression of
> interest to the Ministry so that the work of auditing website etc could come
> to you. I hope you will understand India has a good number of experts and
> not all may see representation on few committees. But idea is that all get
> involved in the process and the sector is kept informed.
>
> Sometimes media bytes picked up also have a tone of the selective reporting
> and missing the crux. Thus lets not criticize the intention or the
> activities of the department. Mr. Mukesh Jain is a well meaning joint
> secretary in the Ministry and is doing a wonderful work with a small team.
> If we all can supplement their effort with our expertise, it can bring the
> desired results much faster.
> regards
> Subhash
>
> On 17 September 2015 at 08:19, Prashant Verma <prashant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not
>> include me and DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit
>> which is implementing this campaign.
>> The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be
>> forgotten or badly implemented.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole
>> Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India
>> disabled-friendly
>>
>> Really the statements are rediculous!
>>
>> I don't know how they 

[AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
TNN | Sep 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST

AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives of 
state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management Association on 
Tuesday
to discuss Accessible India campaign for persons with disabilities (PwD). The 
campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with Disabilities
on December 3.

Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, ministry of 
social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO representatives,
told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: built environment, 
transportation facilities and information and communication technology.

"Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This requires 
all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with Braille signs,
ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize transport such as buses, 
trains and even airplanes. Third and most important aspect is the use of 
information
and communication technology where government websites should have facilities 
like audio options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting various
states to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.

He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process. "Gujarat 
has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's Association)
that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such organizations 
would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.

The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.

Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati 
Organization for Development Education, said that when they started advocacy 
for accessibility
a decade ago, a few people had idea about it. "Today the scenario has changed. 
With proper implementation of the initiative that covers education, 
employability
and accessibility, I believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she said.

Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, "Over 90 
per cent facilities for the disabled are in cities. Identification of disability
and addressing it by parents and family is the first step towards inclusivity," 
he said.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[li...@srinivasu.org]

Hmm. Earlier people used to advocate for text only site and now talking about 
audio and large fonts:-( we need to educate them that by doing so they are 
creating more barriers 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 16-Sep-2015, at 14:15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> 
> Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They surely 
> know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
> 
> Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
> TNN | Sep 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
> 
> AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives of 
> state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management Association on 
> Tuesday
> to discuss Accessible India campaign for persons with disabilities (PwD). The 
> campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with Disabilities
> on December 3.
> 
> Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, ministry 
> of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO representatives,
> told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: built environment, 
> transportation facilities and information and communication technology.
> 
> "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This 
> requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with Braille 
> signs,
> ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize transport such as buses, 
> trains and even airplanes. Third and most important aspect is the use of 
> information
> and communication technology where government websites should have facilities 
> like audio options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting various
> states to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.
> 
> He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process. "Gujarat 
> has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's Association)
> that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such organizations 
> would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.
> 
> The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.
> 
> Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati 
> Organization for Development Education, said that when they started advocacy 
> for accessibility
> a decade ago, a few people had idea about it. "Today the scenario has 
> changed. With proper implementation of the initiative that covers education, 
> employability
> and accessibility, I believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she said.
> 
> Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, "Over 90 
> per cent facilities for the disabled are in cities. Identification of 
> disability
> and addressing it by parents and family is the first step towards 
> inclusivity," he said.
> 
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
> 
> 0712 2806846
> 
> President
> VIBEWA
> Co-Moderator
> VIB-India
> 
> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[George Abraham]

Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They surely 
know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
TNN | Sep 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST

AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives of 
state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management Association on 
Tuesday
to discuss Accessible India campaign for persons with disabilities (PwD). The 
campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with Disabilities
on December 3.

Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, ministry of 
social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO representatives,
told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: built environment, 
transportation facilities and information and communication technology.

"Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This requires 
all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with Braille signs,
ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize transport such as buses, 
trains and even airplanes. Third and most important aspect is the use of 
information
and communication technology where government websites should have facilities 
like audio options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting various
states to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.

He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process. "Gujarat 
has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's Association)
that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such organizations 
would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.

The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.

Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati 
Organization for Development Education, said that when they started advocacy 
for accessibility
a decade ago, a few people had idea about it. "Today the scenario has changed. 
With proper implementation of the initiative that covers education, 
employability
and accessibility, I believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she said.

Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, "Over 90 
per cent facilities for the disabled are in cities. Identification of disability
and addressing it by parents and family is the first step towards inclusivity," 
he said.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Amar Jain]

Praise in public and criticize in private is the best formula for
individuals. Looks like for entities and Government it should be the
reverse.

But let us for a minute appreciate that they are coming up with
something of this kind. Even if they are able to make the publicly
used services accessible like India Post, it is appreciable.

It is the time for the stakeholders to give them sensible inputs. The
future progress of this campaign will give us a clear picture as to
how the representatives of this field have discharged their
responsibilities while giving the inputs.

In an ideal scenario, I would expect the organizations to come forward
and keep the active group of this kind informed about such events, and
initiate a consultative process before any representations or inputs
are being given to them. No comments about BPA in this case as I have
no idea of their functioning and their representatives.

Mr. Jain's statement makes it more confusing to me as to how do they
understand accessibility. What audio options and large fonts they are
talking about.

Ministry of Corporate Affairs has links to enhance the size of the
fonts, they have the skip to main content links, (they work or not
that is secondary), but their main content is by and large
inaccessible. So if they include audio for image verification, does it
mean that they become accessible!

Regards,
 --
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Dhananjay Bhole]

You are right Rajesh sir, We should not critesize such things. rather
we should apriciate. But government is yet unable to involve actual
practitioners in accessibility awareness and implementation planning
what i know. We are aproaching to them. But know any reply from their
side. We came to know after the happening of events.

Font changing option feature is only 1 aspect of web accessibility.
There are lot many things to be taken care. I couldn't yet understand
about audio options for images. Can any buddy explain me?

Why government officers who are involved in accessibility awareness
get aquented with GIGW and ministry of urban development guidelines
for built infrastructure. If they know it then why they make such
meaningless statements in media.

Regards

On 9/16/15, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Praise in public and criticize in private is the best formula for
> individuals. Looks like for entities and Government it should be the
> reverse.
>
> But let us for a minute appreciate that they are coming up with
> something of this kind. Even if they are able to make the publicly
> used services accessible like India Post, it is appreciable.
>
> It is the time for the stakeholders to give them sensible inputs. The
> future progress of this campaign will give us a clear picture as to
> how the representatives of this field have discharged their
> responsibilities while giving the inputs.
>
> In an ideal scenario, I would expect the organizations to come forward
> and keep the active group of this kind informed about such events, and
> initiate a consultative process before any representations or inputs
> are being given to them. No comments about BPA in this case as I have
> no idea of their functioning and their representatives.
>
> Mr. Jain's statement makes it more confusing to me as to how do they
> understand accessibility. What audio options and large fonts they are
> talking about.
>
> Ministry of Corporate Affairs has links to enhance the size of the
> fonts, they have the skip to main content links, (they work or not
> that is secondary), but their main content is by and large
> inaccessible. So if they include audio for image verification, does it
> mean that they become accessible!
>
> Regards,
>  --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Dhananjay Bhole]

Really the statements are rediculous!

I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute
accessible india campaign who have little idea about accessible built
infrastructure and digital accessibility.
Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert
suggestions. They can get expert openions from each members. No need
to spend millions of rupies for brain storming.

Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of
various universities and colleges where they can get good partners and
very good channels to collect suggestions and implement various
schemes effectively.

There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and
accessibility centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups
of various IT companies too.

I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain
about our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for
awareness about various accessibility standards and regulations at
layman level that we are already doing since last 4 years in
government and corporate organizations. I also called him several time
for meeting schedules. I told him that we will spent from our pocket
and join such meetings if they don't have budget to call stake
holders. But i didn't get good response.

On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They surely
> know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
>
> Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
> TNN | Sep 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
>
> AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives of
> state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management Association on
> Tuesday
> to discuss Accessible India campaign for persons with disabilities (PwD).
> The campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with
> Disabilities
> on December 3.
>
> Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, ministry
> of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO representatives,
> told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: built environment,
> transportation facilities and information and communication technology.
>
> "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This
> requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with
> Braille signs,
> ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize transport such as buses,
> trains and even airplanes. Third and most important aspect is the use of
> information
> and communication technology where government websites should have
> facilities like audio options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting
> various
> states to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.
>
> He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process.
> "Gujarat has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's
> Association)
> that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such organizations
> would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.
>
> The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.
>
> Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati
> Organization for Development Education, said that when they started advocacy
> for accessibility
> a decade ago, a few people had idea about it. "Today the scenario has
> changed. With proper implementation of the initiative that covers education,
> employability
> and accessibility, I believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she said.
>
> Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, "Over 90
> per cent facilities for the disabled are in cities. Identification of
> disability
> and addressing it by parents and family is the first step towards
> inclusivity," he said.
>
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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[avinash shahi]

What is more fascinating and gives me a food for thought that this
brainstorming coincided with the Foundation day of the BPA.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/2-books-launched-on-Blind-Peoples-Association-annual-day/articleshow/48976753.cms

On 9/16/15, Dhananjay Bhole <dhananjay.bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really the statements are rediculous!
>
> I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute
> accessible india campaign who have little idea about accessible built
> infrastructure and digital accessibility.
> Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert
> suggestions. They can get expert openions from each members. No need
> to spend millions of rupies for brain storming.
>
> Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of
> various universities and colleges where they can get good partners and
> very good channels to collect suggestions and implement various
> schemes effectively.
>
> There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and
> accessibility centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups
> of various IT companies too.
>
> I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain
> about our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for
> awareness about various accessibility standards and regulations at
> layman level that we are already doing since last 4 years in
> government and corporate organizations. I also called him several time
> for meeting schedules. I told him that we will spent from our pocket
> and join such meetings if they don't have budget to call stake
> holders. But i didn't get good response.
>
> On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>> Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They
>> surely
>> know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
>>
>> Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly
>> TNN | Sep 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
>>
>> AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives of
>> state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management Association on
>> Tuesday
>> to discuss Accessible India campaign for persons with disabilities (PwD).
>> The campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with
>> Disabilities
>> on December 3.
>>
>> Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD,
>> ministry
>> of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO
>> representatives,
>> told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: built environment,
>> transportation facilities and information and communication technology.
>>
>> "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This
>> requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with
>> Braille signs,
>> ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize transport such as buses,
>> trains and even airplanes. Third and most important aspect is the use of
>> information
>> and communication technology where government websites should have
>> facilities like audio options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is
>> visiting
>> various
>> states to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.
>>
>> He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process.
>> "Gujarat has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's
>> Association)
>> that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such organizations
>> would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.
>>
>> The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.
>>
>> Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati
>> Organization for Development Education, said that when they started
>> advocacy
>> for accessibility
>> a decade ago, a few people had idea about it. "Today the scenario has
>> changed. With proper implementation of the initiative that covers
>> education,
>> employability
>> and accessibility, I believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she
>> said.
>>
>> Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, "Over
>> 9

Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[George Abraham]

The problem with most Govt programmes are that they intend well but the 
research is not sound. Often times the wrong people are consulted. Many times 
they set out on a campaign with half baked knowledge. I am not sure if this is 
the way to run the Nation. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Verma 
Sent: 17 September 2015 08:19
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not include me and 
DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit which is implementing this 
campaign.
The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be forgotten 
or badly implemented.



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Dhananjay Bhole
Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Really the statements are rediculous!

I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute accessible 
india campaign who have little idea about accessible built infrastructure and 
digital accessibility.
Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert suggestions. 
They can get expert openions from each members. No need to spend millions of 
rupies for brain storming.

Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of various 
universities and colleges where they can get good partners and very good 
channels to collect suggestions and implement various schemes effectively.

There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and accessibility 
centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups of various IT 
companies too.

I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain about 
our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for awareness about various 
accessibility standards and regulations at layman level that we are already 
doing since last 4 years in government and corporate organizations. I also 
called him several time for meeting schedules. I told him that we will spent 
from our pocket and join such meetings if they don't have budget to call stake 
holders. But i didn't get good response.

On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They 
> surely know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India 
> disabled-friendly
>
> Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly TNN | Sep 
> 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
>
> AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives 
> of state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management 
> Association on Tuesday to discuss Accessible India campaign for 
> persons with disabilities (PwD).
> The campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with 
> Disabilities on December 3.
>
> Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, 
> ministry of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO 
> representatives, told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: 
> built environment, transportation facilities and information and 
> communication technology.
>
> "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This 
> requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with 
> Braille signs, ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize 
> transport such as buses, trains and even airplanes. Third and most 
> important aspect is the use of information and communication 
> technology where government websites should have facilities like audio 
> options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting various states 
> to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.
>
> He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process.
> "Gujarat has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's
> Association)
> that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such 
> organizations would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.
>
> The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.
>
> Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati 
> Organization for Development Education, said that when th

Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Prashant Verma]

Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not include me and 
DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit which is implementing this 
campaign.
The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be forgotten 
or badly implemented.



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Dhananjay Bhole
Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Really the statements are rediculous!

I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute accessible 
india campaign who have little idea about accessible built infrastructure and 
digital accessibility.
Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert suggestions. 
They can get expert openions from each members. No need to spend millions of 
rupies for brain storming.

Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of various 
universities and colleges where they can get good partners and very good 
channels to collect suggestions and implement various schemes effectively.

There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and accessibility 
centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups of various IT 
companies too.

I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain about 
our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for awareness about various 
accessibility standards and regulations at layman level that we are already 
doing since last 4 years in government and corporate organizations. I also 
called him several time for meeting schedules. I told him that we will spent 
from our pocket and join such meetings if they don't have budget to call stake 
holders. But i didn't get good response.

On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They 
> surely know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India 
> disabled-friendly
>
> Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly TNN | Sep 
> 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
>
> AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives 
> of state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management 
> Association on Tuesday to discuss Accessible India campaign for 
> persons with disabilities (PwD).
> The campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with 
> Disabilities on December 3.
>
> Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, 
> ministry of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO 
> representatives, told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects: 
> built environment, transportation facilities and information and 
> communication technology.
>
> "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This 
> requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with 
> Braille signs, ramps and lifts. Second aspect is to standardize 
> transport such as buses, trains and even airplanes. Third and most 
> important aspect is the use of information and communication 
> technology where government websites should have facilities like audio 
> options and bigger fonts," said Jain, who is visiting various states 
> to disseminate information and invite suggestions for the campaign.
>
> He said the purpose of his visit was to include NGOs in the process.
> "Gujarat has some excellent organizations such as BPA (Blind People's
> Association)
> that is working in the field for decades. Experience of such 
> organizations would help us immensely in forming the framework," said Jain.
>
> The event was organized by the BPA and CBM Germany.
>
> Welcoming the move, Geeta Sharma, programme coordinator with Unnati 
> Organization for Development Education, said that when they started 
> advocacy for accessibility a decade ago, a few people had idea about 
> it. "Today the scenario has changed. With proper implementation of the 
> initiative that covers education, employability and accessibility, I 
> believe we would be able to empower the PwD," she said.
>
> Nandkishor Parikh of Society for Welfare of Mentally Retarded said, 
> "Over 90 per cent facilities for the disabled are in cities. 
> Identification of disability and addressing it by parents and family 
> is the first step towards inclusivit

Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[Dinesh Kaushal]

The process seems in initial phase, but surely audio on websites does not
seem promising. If there is a way to provide inputs, we should find out.
expecting government officials to subscribe to access India is (I don't know
how to put it) let's say not feasible. 

The problem with any such initiatives is the lack of input from relevant
stakeholders. But how does someone know who is the relevant stakeholder?
Let's imagine a public official who does not know much about disability? Of
course we are talking about ministry of social justice, which should know
better. But many other organizations have no clue about it. Finding about
experts in any field is difficult, but if the field does not have standard
bodies of people that are known to be expert in that field, people who need
such services would go about finding experts based on whom they know. That's
why all of us who work in accessibility should get together and form a body.
I remember there was an initiative known as W3C India, and I was invited for
it, but it just fizzled out.

I have met many people who would think that they are expert, but a couple of
days workshops are not enough to make anyone experts in a field with
significant nuances. So a standard body with some way of certifying experts
would go a long way in reducing such instances. Why reducing instead of
preventing? Because even after all this effort, someone somewhere would make
the mistake of not consulting those experts anyways, but we could then point
out the exact mistake.

Another problem is that people want visible solutions. That's why Braille or
audio keep coming up but WCAG 2.0 does not. Don't get me wrong. WCAG 2.0
solutions would also be accessible with Braille.

While we are at it, may be that comment of audio might be a statement for
people who do not understand WCAG 2.0 and screen readers. I think Mukesh
Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD, ministry of
social justice and empowerment would know about WCAG 2.0 as the ministry
website has also been made accessible(I didn't verify) and there has been a
government initiative to adapt WCAG 2.0 for Indian conditions; Though I fail
to understand why do we need to adapt them in the first place.

Regards
Dinesh


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amar Jain
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Praise in public and criticize in private is the best formula for
individuals. Looks like for entities and Government it should be the
reverse.

But let us for a minute appreciate that they are coming up with
something of this kind. Even if they are able to make the publicly
used services accessible like India Post, it is appreciable.

It is the time for the stakeholders to give them sensible inputs. The
future progress of this campaign will give us a clear picture as to
how the representatives of this field have discharged their
responsibilities while giving the inputs.

In an ideal scenario, I would expect the organizations to come forward
and keep the active group of this kind informed about such events, and
initiate a consultative process before any representations or inputs
are being given to them. No comments about BPA in this case as I have
no idea of their functioning and their representatives.

Mr. Jain's statement makes it more confusing to me as to how do they
understand accessibility. What audio options and large fonts they are
talking about.

Ministry of Corporate Affairs has links to enhance the size of the
fonts, they have the skip to main content links, (they work or not
that is secondary), but their main content is by and large
inaccessible. So if they include audio for image verification, does it
mean that they become accessible!

Regards,
 --
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[SC Vashishth]

Prashant, despite being on program monitoring unit, we haven't got any call
till date for any meeting of PMU since we last met which I had shared with
some of you on different platform.

But we have been very categorical right from beginning that Accessibility
means access to ICT, physical infra & transport infra. The ICT doesn't get
left out. Those of you who are ICT experts can send your expression of
interest to the Ministry so that the work of auditing website etc could
come to you. I hope you will understand India has a good number of experts
and not all may see representation on few committees. But idea is that all
get involved in the process and the sector is kept informed.

Sometimes media bytes picked up also have a tone of the selective reporting
and missing the crux. Thus lets not criticize the intention or the
activities of the department. Mr. Mukesh Jain is a well meaning joint
secretary in the Ministry and is doing a wonderful work with a small team.
If we all can supplement their effort with our expertise, it can bring the
desired results much faster.
regards
Subhash

On 17 September 2015 at 08:19, Prashant Verma <prashant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not include
> me and DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit which is
> implementing this campaign.
> The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be
> forgotten or badly implemented.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole
> Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India
> disabled-friendly
>
> Really the statements are rediculous!
>
> I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute
> accessible india campaign who have little idea about accessible built
> infrastructure and digital accessibility.
> Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert
> suggestions. They can get expert openions from each members. No need to
> spend millions of rupies for brain storming.
>
> Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of
> various universities and colleges where they can get good partners and very
> good channels to collect suggestions and implement various schemes
> effectively.
>
> There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and
> accessibility centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups of
> various IT companies too.
>
> I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain
> about our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for awareness
> about various accessibility standards and regulations at layman level that
> we are already doing since last 4 years in government and corporate
> organizations. I also called him several time for meeting schedules. I told
> him that we will spent from our pocket and join such meetings if they don't
> have budget to call stake holders. But i didn't get good response.
>
> On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> > Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They
> > surely know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> > Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> > Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India
> > disabled-friendly
> >
> > Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly TNN | Sep
> > 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
> >
> > AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives
> > of state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management
> > Association on Tuesday to discuss Accessible India campaign for
> > persons with disabilities (PwD).
> > The campaign will be launched on International Day of Persons with
> > Disabilities on December 3.
> >
> > Mukesh Jain - joint secretary of department of empowerment of PwD,
> > ministry of social justice and empowerment - who interacted with NGO
> > representatives, told TOI that the campaign has three major aspects:
> > built environment, transportation facilities and information and
> communication technology.
> >
> > "Our aim is to implement the framework which is already in place. This
> > requires all public buildings to be disability-friendly complete with
> > Braille signs, ramps and

Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

[George Abraham]

I have just sent a mail to Mr Mukesh Jain with reference to his quote in the 
TOI. Mr Mukesh Jain is positively well meaning. He needs guidance. Experts can 
rally around him and give him inputs. I would like to ask the group as to who 
might be considered the foremost IT accessibility experts in the country. Any 
ideas? Can names be shared?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
SC Vashishth
Sent: 17 September 2015 10:58
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly

Prashant, despite being on program monitoring unit, we haven't got any call 
till date for any meeting of PMU since we last met which I had shared with some 
of you on different platform.

But we have been very categorical right from beginning that Accessibility means 
access to ICT, physical infra & transport infra. The ICT doesn't get left out. 
Those of you who are ICT experts can send your expression of interest to the 
Ministry so that the work of auditing website etc could come to you. I hope you 
will understand India has a good number of experts and not all may see 
representation on few committees. But idea is that all get involved in the 
process and the sector is kept informed.

Sometimes media bytes picked up also have a tone of the selective reporting and 
missing the crux. Thus lets not criticize the intention or the activities of 
the department. Mr. Mukesh Jain is a well meaning joint secretary in the 
Ministry and is doing a wonderful work with a small team.
If we all can supplement their effort with our expertise, it can bring the 
desired results much faster.
regards
Subhash

On 17 September 2015 at 08:19, Prashant Verma <prashant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Despite approval during the steering group meeting, they did not 
> include me and DR. Satyaendra Singh in the Program Monitoring Unit 
> which is implementing this campaign.
> The focus is  on physical accessibility  and ICT accessibility may be 
> forgotten or badly implemented.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Dhananjay Bhole
> Sent: 16 September 2015 15:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India 
> disabled-friendly
>
> Really the statements are rediculous!
>
> I don't know how they are involving various stake holders to exicute 
> accessible india campaign who have little idea about accessible built 
> infrastructure and digital accessibility.
> Why don't they join our access India mailing list to have expert 
> suggestions. They can get expert openions from each members. No need 
> to spend millions of rupies for brain storming.
>
> Why don't they join hands with XRCVC like resource centres and EOC of 
> various universities and colleges where they can get good partners and 
> very good channels to collect suggestions and implement various 
> schemes effectively.
>
> There are professional organizations like IBM human ability and 
> accessibility centre, barrier break technologies, accessibility groups 
> of various IT companies too.
>
> I have repeatedly informed the joint secretary of MSJE Mr. Mukesh Jain 
> about our wish to contribute in accessible india Campaign for 
> awareness about various accessibility standards and regulations at 
> layman level that we are already doing since last 4 years in 
> government and corporate organizations. I also called him several time 
> for meeting schedules. I told him that we will spent from our pocket 
> and join such meetings if they don't have budget to call stake holders. But i 
> didn't get good response.
>
> On 9/16/15, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
> > Vow! Accessibility of websites by using large faunts and audio! They 
> > surely know what they are doing? Ask Amar Jain about it.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> > Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> > Sent: 16 September 2015 11:55
> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> > concerning the disabled.
> > Subject: [AI] Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India 
> > disabled-friendly
> >
> > Brainstorming in Ahmedabad to make India disabled-friendly TNN | Sep 
> > 16, 2015, 12.09 AM IST
> >
> > AHMEDABAD: Central government officials and over 250 representatives 
> > of state-based advocacy NGOs gathered at Ahmedabad Management 
> > Association on Tuesday to discuss Accessible India campaign for 
> > perso