Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Dear Zoher Firstly I would have appreciated you would have written to me privately. Secondly, you should not have carried Moderator in the subject line. It is kept for a specific purpose. I have for the present removed it. Coming to the points raised. this is really an old issue which is well debated, sometimes overdone. Nevertheless, all the points on both the sides were well laid down on the table and hence my intervention. In my opinion, there is merit for both pros and against and one has to take a call depending on the situation. Extreme stands is certainly going to be a disservice. The option to choose should be made available and we should ensure it is available. No compromise about it at all. We should be very clear about this aspect. Regarding the issue of NGO's guiding parents, it should be done on case by case basis and universal prescription should not be applied based on their ism's. Sure enough the parent or guardian would take decision regarding where to admit the child. The child will have no say in this matter. This is universally so. I am certainly sensitive to the gravity of this issue and did not apply a blanket ban on this thread. I have no problems discussing aspects which have not been touched on this subject so far. Otherwise we can call it quits. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: zoher [mailto:zos...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 June 2012 10:20 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Moderator: RE: Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Dear moderator, I know, this thread is getting longer and longer. But we must understand the fact that to get admission in integrated or special school is not the choice of disabled child but it is the choice made by the able bodied parents(in most of the cases) of disabled child. And most of the cases that parents had not experienced the problems of disability then before. So this discussion gives them the true picture of both the scenario. As you know there are many n g o's are the members of this list, like n a b, eyeway, voicevision, enable India and many more, if they understand both the situations then they will be in a better position to guide the disabled child's parents. This discussion will be the guideline for both special and integrated schools what the improvement should be made. This mailing list is a part of Google search, so anyone searching for information about special schools, this discussion will definitely help them. This is a discussion and not the debate, where the experiences of both the side has forwarded in a constructive manner, so I expect more and more people should come with their views, specially the N g o's. I hope, I have not hurt the feelings of moderator. If you don't agree with the above arguments then it is your right to close this thread. But my expectation from you is you should also come with your own views and experiences which will be the mile stone for all the parents to make their decision. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: [AI] Moderator: RE: Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Friends It is time for me to intervene. The crucks of the matter is of choice. One should have the choice of special school and inclusive school. The important thing is that choice should be available and one should not be forced into either of these situations. If there is no more aspects to touch, then may we close this thread. harish Kotian Moderator. -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh [mailto:rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in] Sent: 12 June 2012 10:02 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? The ideal of making each and every school accessible to all disabled is, just as I said, an ideal only. Yes, the choice should be between special and inclusive schools, and not between special and mainstream school which do not know even the ABCD of disability. Now, government under SSA contemplates to make all schools disabled friendly only by sending special teachers once a week who would assist all the disabled take education and sensitize mainstream teachers. These are half hearted efforts making the lot of disabled students worse. Education as always would remain a teasing illusion to many disabled. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mukesh jain Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:36 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Hello, I am not agreed with the statement special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. Because
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
The situation of integrated education was comparatively ok before 5 to 10 years. Now the situation has become more critical. Earlier the chock and talk method was disabled friendly but now use of electronic projectors and other A V presentation has made inclusive education more complex. if I am not exaggerating then the time is not so far that the normal children's of disabled parents will also face the difficulty to get an admission in normal schools. Why I am saying this because before giving admission in any private schools they interview the parents of that child. And they may raise the questions that if you are disabled then it will affect your Childs performance their by it will affect our schools performance. Now a days the schools gives lots of project works to children's, and everybody knows the parents only has to complete the project. So which integration we are talking about? Don't forget 1 fact that the disabled students in a main stream schools are in minority so their grievances will not be paid attention. To make each and every schools inclusive is financially not viable but to have state wise 1 special school is viable. We must not forget the fact that each and every disabled child is not genius. If the child is not extra ordinary then he requires extra attention and he can get this in special schools. If I am not going to the extreme of argument, then I would like to make a statement, we all go to integrated colleges, but it is the fact that a blind student has to take arts or if 1 is lucky then commerce. But learning science is still a dream because the labs are not properly equipped. Now just think if we have special colleges to learn science then it will be a dream comes true for many of us. Let us talk about the private computer education centers, just go and try to get an admission as a blind. Even if you say I will come with my own software then also they will not permit, because they argue that we teach with the help of mouse and you will have to learn through keyboard commands. For a sited student of computer to increase the size of cell in excel is very easy just with a click of the mouse, now imagine the blind person has to do by going to home tab and format cell and type the numbers for dimension for the cell. It is argued that the special schools are in urban area, so everyone can not go. But luckily most of the special schools have the hostel facility and they are very economic too. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? The ideal of making each and every school accessible to all disabled is, just as I said, an ideal only. Yes, the choice should be between special and inclusive schools, and not between special and mainstream school which do not know even the ABCD of disability. Now, government under SSA contemplates to make all schools disabled friendly only by sending special teachers once a week who would assist all the disabled take education and sensitize mainstream teachers. These are half hearted efforts making the lot of disabled students worse. Education as always would remain a teasing illusion to many disabled. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mukesh jain Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:36 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Hello, I am not agreed with the statement special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking the food etc. Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have the real experience and their right solution
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Dear friends, My openion would that our country must have the inclusive education system because This system can help a disable person to join there hands with non-disable person and this may help a nondisable person to understand a disable person like us and if we talk about special schools in our society lots of students/person have got education in special schools and beter know their condition I am not saying that these school should get closed but there is a lot of scope of improvement in such schools and comenting on your school or college friends and his parents point of view. Onside we are talking to setle in mainstream and we are accepting which is not fare atitude regards, bharti On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have enlightenment on this issue. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Hi Zoher, First, I thank you for bringing a very important issue for discussion. Here I would like to start with my own experience. I am a late blind person. I lost my vision at the age of 14 completely then I finished my 9th grade. If I were continued in the same school in the name of inclusion, I would have got a so called degree certificate with no self confidence and depression. I strongly argue that no integrated school especially in the earlier stages of schooling can fulfill the needs of a visually impaired kid like playing etc. I have seen many of my friends who have studied 10 years in special schools adjusted very well in the sighted society when they had to go for the regular colleges, and they were accepted by most of the fellow mates equally just because they had enough command over the subjects. My vision started deteriorating when I was in the 8th grade. I and my family members were not aware of even the scribe facility provided for the persons with vision impairment. All the teachers were there of B.Ed. certified and I am sure there is a topic on special education in the B.Ed. course in which the support system to the differently abled students and ways of alternatives will be discussed with a visit to the special schools. None of them were provide me the guidance in the proper manner at that time. Under SSA, there will be one resource person to help the persons with disability, but the issue is only one teacher cannot teach all the subjects. I personally feel if a special kid to be a rounded personality, not only learning and getting certificates, he/she should be brought up in the special schools in the early stages of life at least til the 7th grade. Special schools help to develop ourselves in many of the aspects which are rightly pointed out by Mukesh Jain. I feel media people should develop sence of responsibility before making any point to the public, because Satyamev Jayte is one of the highly viewed programme in the country, and if any point is made in such shows it will hit larger number of people and people will think that is the right thing. I apologise for the long mail. Since I do not check my personal ID regularly I tried to put my thoughts in a single mail. Thanks Regards, Mohith B. P. bpmohith@gmail.com|9902361549|skype: mohith.ckm On 6/12/12, Bharti Kalra bharti...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, My openion would that our country must have the inclusive education system because This system can help a disable person to join there hands with non-disable person and this may help a nondisable person to understand a disable person like us and if we talk about special schools in our society lots of students/person have got education in special schools and beter know their condition I am not saying that these school should get closed but there is a lot of scope of improvement in such schools and comenting on your school or college friends and his parents point of view. Onside we are talking to setle in mainstream and we are accepting which is not fare atitude regards, bharti On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person.
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Hi zoher, You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. I cannot comment on this, since I had no experience in any of the special school. Renuka. On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have enlightenment on this issue. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
you are right, special schools only can fulfill the basic requirements of disabled child. but, there are numbers of shops have already opened where so called normal and abled people are getting special training and become special teachers of disabled people. there are many blind trained sighted teachres are appointed, but, they don't know about the single word of braille. they are geting higher salary then their blind counterparts because they are trained teachers. - Original Message - From: zoher zos...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have enlightenment on this issue. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Hello, I am not agreed with the statement “special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled.” Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking the food etc. Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have the real experience and their right solution at the right time. I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness, timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory staffs. On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi zoher, You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. I cannot comment on this, since I had no experience in any of the special school. Renuka. On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have enlightenment on this issue. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Hi friends, I am not agree with this statement that in normal schools disabled children are easily forgiven for their mistakes. In my school days I was perhaps the most mischeavious student of my class specially till 10th standard but I used to be equally punished. My teachers don't remember mefor standing first in class but those are the memories of their punishments which are still alive with me as well as them. It is true that practically a so called inclusive school cannot fulfill all the needs of a disabled studentspecially in today's era. But it is also true that a special school isolates him or her from general environment. According to me disabled students must be sent to a preparatory unit before exposing them to school. And as they grow older then they must be given ediquit knowledge of mobility, self presentation, screen readers, personal highgene etc. Now a days there are many special educators and trainors who do these works as part time jobs. At least it is not difficult for those families which are living in developed cities. But those disabled children who are living in rural areas then at least till 5 to 10 years there is no such practical substitute of a special school available for them. Regards On 6/11/12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am not agreed with the statement “special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled.” Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking the food etc. Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have the real experience and their right solution at the right time. I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness, timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory staffs. On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi zoher, You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. I cannot comment on this, since I had no experience in any of the special school. Renuka. On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
what about those child, where their parents don't want to keep their own disabled children at home with them. preparatory units! where so called trained teachers will be appointed and they will have the cream on the name of disabled students, can a sighted person learn braille in 15 days? if he can't is it possible that he can teach braille or other accesibility to the blind student within 15 days? why not special schools in every district? where billions of rupees are landing in sarva shiksha abhiyan by the government? the concept of integrated education is applicable only in so called cities of india? could anyone help me to get admission a blind girl living in very remote area, is 800 KMS from the capital city of chhattisgarh? no agency came out, finally we filed a petition in the high court of chhattisgarh and got order against the government that all the blind girls living in bastar have to occomodate for their schooling in the separate hostel at jagdalpur, the dist. headquarter of bastar. if SC AND ST sighted students can be facilitated in the separate hostel and schools by the government, why not disabled? - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Hi friends, I am not agree with this statement that in normal schools disabled children are easily forgiven for their mistakes. In my school days I was perhaps the most mischeavious student of my class specially till 10th standard but I used to be equally punished. My teachers don't remember mefor standing first in class but those are the memories of their punishments which are still alive with me as well as them. It is true that practically a so called inclusive school cannot fulfill all the needs of a disabled studentspecially in today's era. But it is also true that a special school isolates him or her from general environment. According to me disabled students must be sent to a preparatory unit before exposing them to school. And as they grow older then they must be given ediquit knowledge of mobility, self presentation, screen readers, personal highgene etc. Now a days there are many special educators and trainors who do these works as part time jobs. At least it is not difficult for those families which are living in developed cities. But those disabled children who are living in rural areas then at least till 5 to 10 years there is no such practical substitute of a special school available for them. Regards On 6/11/12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am not agreed with the statement “special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled.” Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking the food etc. Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have the real experience and their right solution at the right time. I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child’s progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness, timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory staffs. On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi zoher, You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that special school do
Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
The ideal of making each and every school accessible to all disabled is, just as I said, an ideal only. Yes, the choice should be between special and inclusive schools, and not between special and mainstream school which do not know even the ABCD of disability. Now, government under SSA contemplates to make all schools disabled friendly only by sending special teachers once a week who would assist all the disabled take education and sensitize mainstream teachers. These are half hearted efforts making the lot of disabled students worse. Education as always would remain a teasing illusion to many disabled. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mukesh jain Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:36 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more? Hello, I am not agreed with the statement special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. Because the special school in witch I have studied perhaps is the most self sufficient school in the Asian region at that time. The art of discipline, learning of doing all the work independently by self while staying in hostel was commendable and I consider this to be the great source of wealth especially when I am away from my close relatives, parents or any other family members. I could learn many independent skills while in the surrounding of my teachers who were also differently abled, such as, washing the clothes, moving independently in and around my home, etc, buying vegetables, cooking the food etc. Apart from the learning of these independent skills the school administration used to arrange the picnic, visits to various well-known film artists with the real demonstration of film production etc these are just the additional and few of the activities witch I can enumerate and there were many such countless so I feel that if I would be in mainstream of inclusive school from the beginning I would certainly be in the competitive environment but perhaps may not have the real experience and their right solution at the right time. I consider the principal of my school is to be a great god mother without whom I would not be even in a position to talk to you and could gain the education because this lady has devoted her life entirely for the betterment of her blind students. She was very disciplined and used to make sure that no child disobeys the rules of the school. She used to be witnessed personally in each child's progress and monitor even minutely about the appearance, cleanliness, timing of leaving the school on week end and joining back after the said leave. Even though there use to be the persons delegated to keep track of the same but still she use to be always active in taking the regular reports from the concerned supervisors, teachers and dormitory staffs. On 6/11/12, Renuka Warriar eren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi zoher, You expressed my own opinion regarding special education up to upper primary class. But, when I spoke about this to some of my blind friends, who had both special and inclusive education, they say that special school do not provide adequate facility for the overall developement of the disabled. I cannot comment on this, since I had no experience in any of the special school. Renuka. On 6/11/12, zoher zos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th
[AI] Satyamev jayte: don't we require special schools any more?
Dear friends, Yesterday's program has importantly raised the issue of integrated education. Here it comes to my mind is, now onwards will we not require special schools for disabled? My take on this issue is nothing can replace the need for special schools. Following arguments can support my take. 1. Every disabled child does not comes from the rich family, so he can have all the facility of assistive technology in his house. Because normal schools cannot provide with all the facilities. 2. As show also pointed out that some of the parents are not accept their disabled child. So it is necessary to have the special schools so that Childs parents get proper counseling to accept their child. I don't think so any normal school can do so. 3. Many of the disabled children's are over protected by their parents or many of them are overlooked by their parents. In both the case the child becomes introward, if in this situation he is put to sited school then he will not be able to cope with the situation. 4. A disabled child needs to have some special tools to face the real world, such as communication skills, presenting oneself with confidence even with disability, or handling the subjects like math's science and geography he needs to have a special education. Now just imagine in India schools are not comfortable for normal students how they are going to accommodate disabled student? Here I mean that at list special schools are necessary till 5th or 7th standard. Then the person is prepared to face the normal schools. According to me, even giving entire education is in the special environment is also not viable, as finally one has to live in the integrated society. To get our right place in the society the first thing is that a disabled should respect other disabled person. In yesterdays show there was one person who was in my school and in college also. When I was talking to him, his mother came to me and told that keep away from my son, if he lives with disabled peoples then he will develop an inferiority complex. Members please carry this thread for more discussion, so we can have enlightenment on this issue. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
