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Well well, let me put it this way, I will forget just now the ironical hint of west given to me for free for which I deeply thank You. As a psychologist, I had the opportunity to study animal psychology long enough to know horses have been tried out for blind people, well, unfortunately in west and USA, what to do, they have been somehow quicker. I have grown up myself with horses, in an environment where they were free and not trained for anything else but field works. Up to an extend, horses do work perfect for blind people, but I don't wish my enemies to face a scared horse where it has no limits on running and putting everything and anything down. Then perhaps would be a kind of a fascinating show to see a horse dashing through fruits venders, food stalls and clothes stands. As big as it looks, a horse can be very very easily scared by certain factors coming from sideways where we know it can not see properly anyway. And there the research had stopped being taken for good, especially in a city with lots of population and extreme traffic crowd. The personal experience with animals, where I must admit horses are exceedingly intelligent, has nothing to do with the capacity and/or vulnerability of a particular creature in guiding a blind. On top, as You all know, we are both blind and we both move with a stick which has no vibrations devises attached, we don't have obstacles detecting glasses and still we do manage our best, which may not exclude a guide dog if Mahendra hadn't been fearful towards dogs and I would be able to be born again to manage accepting one in my flat. :-) - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she
Re: [AI] Guide horse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guide_horse On 08/09/2011, Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com wrote: Well well, let me put it this way, I will forget just now the ironical hint of west given to me for free for which I deeply thank You. As a psychologist, I had the opportunity to study animal psychology long enough to know horses have been tried out for blind people, well, unfortunately in west and USA, what to do, they have been somehow quicker. I have grown up myself with horses, in an environment where they were free and not trained for anything else but field works. Up to an extend, horses do work perfect for blind people, but I don't wish my enemies to face a scared horse where it has no limits on running and putting everything and anything down. Then perhaps would be a kind of a fascinating show to see a horse dashing through fruits venders, food stalls and clothes stands. As big as it looks, a horse can be very very easily scared by certain factors coming from sideways where we know it can not see properly anyway. And there the research had stopped being taken for good, especially in a city with lots of population and extreme traffic crowd. The personal experience with animals, where I must admit horses are exceedingly intelligent, has nothing to do with the capacity and/or vulnerability of a particular creature in guiding a blind. On top, as You all know, we are both blind and we both move with a stick which has no vibrations devises attached, we don't have obstacles detecting glasses and still we do manage our best, which may not exclude a guide dog if Mahendra hadn't been fearful towards dogs and I would be able to be born again to manage accepting one in my flat. :-) - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new
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Dear Rajesh it is just not practical, when you are at work for8 to 10 hours, where can you park the hourse. who will take care during this time, some one can harm or steell it. further for short distance (in smolle city) is fine, you can not travel long distance, also and same city can be very difficult. At 05:42 AM 9/8/2011, you wrote: Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a he and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message
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I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a he and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan vadhimoo...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these allegations. On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com wrote: She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually have to pay. She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our experience has not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using that dog. Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually challenged. What does Shirin mean by very very
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Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a he and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan - Original Message - From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan vadhimoo...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a complain? Vetri. On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com wrote: I have sent a mail to Nitin
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Hello I do recall, there was effort on using dwarfed horses as service animals. I don't know much about it though as, I did not take much interest in it. Harish Kotian Quoting: Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Some years ago, a German blind lady had been on a horse in Tibet The horse not only provided her with a ride but also guided her I believe to her destination. Regards, George - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse Hi Adina and others, Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought. Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd. I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least for commuting on the road is not immpossible. Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse I guess whispering in its ears would do. And I also guess the thread would be closed soon. - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil patil_ro...@dataone.in To: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog Idea is not bad, But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with horse? - Original Message - From: m.chandrashekar chandru...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public transport. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog In training a guide dog, one shouldn't follow a procedure, but get trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. - Original Message - From: Rahul Bajaj rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state must create an institution for training guide dogs. I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide dog training schools in the world. On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a he and lets not get into the legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may come in touch with. Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. I am aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs so I was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken money from anyone. As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- I know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it before we have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along we can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the requirement in Society. Kanchan
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Guide horses have been popular in USA and preferred to dogs for following reasons : - *Horse lovers -* Blind people who have grown up with horses and understand equine behavior and care are ideal candidates. - *Allergenic people - *Many people who are severely allergic to traditional guide animals and find horses a non-allergenic alternative for mobility. - *Mature Individuals - *Many people report difficulty dealing with the grief of losing their animals, and horses tend to live far longer than traditional guides. - *Physically Disabled folks - *Because of their docile nature, Guide Horses are easier to handle for individuals with physical disabilities. They are also strong enough to provide support, helping the handler to rise from their chair. - *Dog Phobia* - Individuals who fear dogs are often comfortable working with a tiny horse. - *Outdoor Animal *- Many individuals prefer a guide animal that does not have to live in the house when off duty. the Guide horse foundation has answered several of such questions on their website at link: http://www.guidehorse.com/faq.htm regards -- Warm regards, Subhash Chandra Vashishth Mobile: +91 (11) 9811125521 Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Consider environment! Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
