Hi Adina
and others,
Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought.
Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd.
I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at
least for commuting on the road is not immpossible.
Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken...
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse
I guess whispering in its ears would do.
And I also guess the thread would be closed soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rohiet A. Patil" <patil_ro...@dataone.in>
To: "m.chandrashekar" <chandru...@gmail.com>;
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
> Idea is not bad,
> But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his
> back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by
> following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how
> can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine
> task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to
> some new place with horse?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m.chandrashekar" <chandru...@gmail.com>
> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>
>
>> hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better
>> to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in
>> the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is
>> not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public
>> transport.
>> with best regards
>> m.chandru
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adina Galani" <lotusflowe...@gmail.com>
>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>>
>>
>>> In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get
>>> trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain
>>> unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us
>>> stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there
>>> is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and
>>> the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the
>>> pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along
>>> at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a
>>> nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I
>>> feel.
>>> Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs,
>>> I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one
>>> and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>>>
>>>
>>>> The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state
>>>> must create an institution for training guide dogs.
>>>>
>>>> I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about.
>>>> She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that
>>>> a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to
>>>> create a suitable environment for using a guide dog.
>>>> The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is
>>>> exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide
>>>> dog training schools in the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into
>>>>> the
>>>>> legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he
>>>>> may come
>>>>> in touch with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been
>>>>> successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually
>>>>> challenged. I am
>>>>> aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs
>>>>> so I
>>>>> was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not
>>>>> taken
>>>>> money from anyone.
>>>>> As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground
>>>>> level- I
>>>>> know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it
>>>>> before we
>>>>> have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the
>>>>> situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go
>>>>> along we
>>>>> can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the
>>>>> requirement in Society. Kanchan
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> complain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these
>>>>>>> allegations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs.
>>>>>>>> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> pay.
>>>>>>>> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our
>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually
>>>>>>>>> challenged.
>>>>>>>>> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by
>>>>>>>>> corporate
>>>>>>>>> sponsorships? Kanchan
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice
>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>> This is really shocking!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a
>>>>>>>>>> guide dog to me within a few months.
>>>>>>>>>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a
>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>> dog would be very, very high.
>>>>>>>>>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to
>>>>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>>>>> so the cost would get a bit reduced.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are
>>>>>>>>>> associated with using a guide dog.
>>>>>>>>>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution.
>>>>>>>>>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not
>>>>>>>>>> used by
>>>>>>>>>> anyone in India.
>>>>>>>>>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who
>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>> computer, uses JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>> We have to fight for our rights.
>>>>>>>>>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>> privileges
>>>>>>>>>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
>>>>>>>>>> <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny
>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>>>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of
>>>>>>>>>>> institutionalized
>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in
>>>>>>>>>>>> indian
>>>>>>>>>>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public
>>>>>>>>>>>> transport
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> city
>>>>>>>>>>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> manage
>>>>>>>>>>>> us with very much difficulty?
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wandering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> atleast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> telephone call to apolagise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kanchan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do share your views on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog in India.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rahul
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