Well well, let me put it this way, I will forget just now the ironical hint
of west given to me for free for which I deeply thank You.
As a psychologist, I had the opportunity to study animal psychology long
enough to know horses have been tried out for blind people, well,
unfortunately in west and USA, what to do, they have been somehow quicker. I
have grown up myself with horses, in an environment where they were free and
not trained for anything else but field works.
Up to an extend, horses do work perfect for blind people, but I don't wish
my enemies to face a scared horse where it has no limits on running and
putting everything and anything down. Then perhaps would be a kind of a
fascinating show to see a horse dashing through fruits venders, food stalls
and clothes stands. As big as it looks, a horse can be very very easily
scared by certain factors coming from sideways where we know it can not see
properly anyway.
And there the research had stopped being taken for good, especially in a
city with lots of population and extreme traffic crowd.
The personal experience with animals, where I must admit horses are
exceedingly intelligent, has nothing to do with the capacity and/or
vulnerability of a particular creature in guiding a blind. On top, as You
all know, we are both blind and we both move with a stick which has no
vibrations devises attached, we don't have obstacles detecting glasses and
still we do manage our best, which may not exclude a guide dog if Mahendra
hadn't been fearful towards dogs and I would be able to be born again to
manage accepting one in my flat. :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse
Hi Adina
and others,
Idea of guide horse is not so far fetched or ridiculous as is thought.
Merely because nobody in the west has tried it does not render it absurd.
I believe with some innovation and use of GPS etc. a guide horse at least
for commuting on the road is not immpossible.
Of course, indoor navigation cannot be undertaken...
-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adina Galani
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide horse
I guess whispering in its ears would do.
And I also guess the thread would be closed soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rohiet A. Patil" <patil_ro...@dataone.in>
To: "m.chandrashekar" <chandru...@gmail.com>;
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
Idea is not bad,
But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his
back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by
following some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how
can we do the same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine
task like from our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to
some new place with horse?
----- Original Message -----
From: "m.chandrashekar" <chandru...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs,
better
to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in
the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is
not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public
transport.
with best regards
m.chandru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adina Galani" <lotusflowe...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get
trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain
unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get
us
stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top,
there
is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and
the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the
pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get
along
at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a
nonsense only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer,
I
feel.
Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs,
I still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one
and, on top to hugely invest on the whole thing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state
must create an institution for training guide dogs.
I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about.
She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that
a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to
create a suitable environment for using a guide dog.
The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is
exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide
dog training schools in the world.
On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into
the
legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he
may come
in touch with.
Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been
successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually
challenged. I am
aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs
so I
was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not
taken
money from anyone.
As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground
level- I
know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it
before we
have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system.
What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of
the
situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go
along we
can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the
requirement in Society. Kanchan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch
a
complain?
Vetri.
On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these
allegations.
On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs.
But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually
have
to
pay.
She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us.
On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our
experience
has
not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using
that
dog.
Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually
challenged.
What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say.
Was
it
in
thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by
corporate
sponsorships? Kanchan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many
blind
people.
I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a
nice
person.
This is really shocking!
Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide
a
guide dog to me within a few months.
But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a
guide
dog would be very, very high.
She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to
help,
so the cost would get a bit reduced.
People all over the world have to face the same problems that
are
associated with using a guide dog.
Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution.
20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not
used by
anyone in India.
Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who
has a
computer, uses JAWS.
We have to fight for our rights.
Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the
privileges
that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world?
On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
<vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on
the
public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny
guide
dog
usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of
institutionalized
mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally
some
individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best
thing
at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our
right
to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog.
Vetri.
On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote:
As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in
indian
situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public
transport
like
city
bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where
we
can
manage
us with very much difficulty?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog
Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many
of us
and
has
not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is
still
wandering
around the visually challenged then please let me know. I
would be
happy
to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know
atleast
3
others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be
able to
find
a
few more.
If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the
money
he
took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no
money and
no
telephone call to apolagise.
Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to
train
dogs
for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you
could
ask
her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think
anyone
is
really qualified to train guide dogs in India.
Kanchan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: [AI] Guide dog
Hello everyone,
I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last
few
months.
I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this
purpose.
They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to
people
living
in
India.
Does anyone else here use a guide dog?
Do share your views on this matter.
I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about
using
a
guide
dog in India.
Cheers,
Rahul
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