Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Hello friends, i am joining this debate late due to other commitments. although not much has left to say on this topic, still I would like to support right to read movement. in my view Mr. Prashant is doing a great job by converting printed material into accessible format. we cannot call it piracy because there is no money motive behind his work. sps - Original Message - From: Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field So much has been said on this topic that I need not argue any further. Many thanks to all including Dr. Nisha, Dinesh and dear Mukesh for bringing up various issues related to this topic. Rajesh, Subramani, Chetan and others have advocated our rights extremely well. I just need to clarify a few points: I do not support piracy. I do not consider providing books in accessible formats to visually impaired persons who would otherwise would have been deprived of this knowledge an act of piracy. My intention in this case was as always to provide the book to print impaired persons and that is why I posted it on a website meant for visually impaired persons and informed a visually impaired mailing list about its availability. Aren’t all the libraries and organizations for the visually impaired doing a similar job for decades? I do take care and try not to give these books to non-disabled persons. I do respect the right of authors, and understand that they have a right to the income from the sale of their works. And this is why I have never shared all those digital copies I have acquired from the publishers or libraries directly as these books can be purchased/acquired by all visually impaired persons from them. The fact that less than 4% of the published knowledge is available in accessible formats troubles me a lot. Access to information is a key to education, vocation and overall growth. The present copyright laws and the publishing industry mind-set is preventing us from our basic human rights. My National Award tag urges me to take up this issue and do my little bit and that is why I referred to Right to Read in my earlier mail. I am glad that there is a greater awareness within the print impaired community since they have to push for changes in the present system. I hope someday publishers start providing accessible formats either voluntarily or due to legal obligations and then I will not have to scan dozens and dozens of books for my University students every week. And by the way, availability of accessible format is not enough, it must happen at the same time and at no extra cost. I am tired of asking students to wait for few weeks to 3 months for an accessible copy of their book whereas their peers get to read it on the first day. In such a situation, I can't really demand competitiveness and efficiency from my students. As far as asking for soft copies and permissions for conversion to accessible formats from Publishers is concerned, few AI members are witness to the indifferent treatment we often get as it also happened on 6th 8th October when we went to meet two Governmental content producers . Survey quoted from: http://www.worldblindunion.org/en/right-to-read.html Regards, Prashant Ranjan Verma www.prashant.myehome.in -- From: Renuka Warrier eren...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not for any commercial gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others. Renuka. - Original Message - From: govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Nisha Sing and others: 1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is a big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together wasting our precious time and energy? If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so? Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed. Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out reading and interpreting them? Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading? Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education? Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language? Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities for a VI person??? The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India. 2
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- === Visit my blog at: freestuff4indians.blogspot.com Skype ID: akhil.akhil29 === To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Isn't it equal to piracy? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of nisha singh Sent: 08 October 2009 09:49 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- === Visit my blog at: freestuff4indians.blogspot.com Skype ID: akhil.akhil29 === To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Scanning is not that hard, specially for plain text material. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: 08 October 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- === Visit my blog at: freestuff4indians.blogspot.com Skype ID: akhil.akhil29 === To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Dear Dr. Nisha and others, Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the least. Taking life is altogether another thing. Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly. I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction. Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism. I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at least in the present era. Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide it accessible format. If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of distributing accessible books. Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that it makes business sense to provide accessible books. E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking up to possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of distributing e books. That should benefit us, I suppose. Regards Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
That's well said Rajesh! There can not and of course, should not be any parallels between maoist violence and distributing a book in accessible formats for the benefit of visually impaired persons. Yes, had prashant sold it to make money, that would have been unethical. Moreover, I can list hundreds of books that have so far been shared on this platform without such issues. Why there is so much of outcry in case of Prashant only? I fully understand that two wrongs don't make one right but rules should be applicable to all persons without any discrimination and prejudice! Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Dr. Nisha and others, Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the least. Taking life is altogether another thing. Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly. I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction. Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism. I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at least in the present era. Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide it accessible format. If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of distributing accessible books. Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that it makes business sense to provide accessible books. E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking up to possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of distributing e books. That should benefit us, I suppose. Regards Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
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Are we revolting? If the author do not provide book in accessible format, do we have the full right to scan and upload them? Every time we need something, we look for alternative (Jugar) or free solution! Why not to start a discussion and lets try forming an opinion (this would certainly help every one the next time contacting an author / publisher to provide book in accessible format. My Few questions for the starter. 1. Do you think, we (Reading Disabled only) have the right to scan / record / convert book in accessible format for our personal use? 1.1. If Yes, can we give it to some one (reading Disabled) for their personal use? 1.1.1. If no, Why every time one has to invest a lot of labor and time to convert same book just to be sure of not infringing Copyright? 1.1.2. If yes, who will ensure that the book is not passed to non reading disabled? 1.2 If No, then whose responsibility is to provide us (reading disabled) book in accessible format? They are just my confusion hence seeking opinion and not trying to indulge in ... Looking forward to hear from eminent leaders of the group specially bookshare, DAISY, Law, Disability and Book bole representatives. Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:02 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Dr. Nisha and others, Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the least. Taking life is altogether another thing. Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly. I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction. Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism. I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at least in the present era. Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide it accessible format. If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of distributing accessible books. Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that it makes business sense to provide accessible books. E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking up to possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of distributing e books. That should benefit us, I suppose. Regards Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo
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Well, mukesh, in my opinion, answers to your questions1 and 1.1 are in the affirmative. Question of non-reading disabled does not arise, as the only motive in that case is earning money by selling such a free e copy. Now, earning money in that way is pretty difficult, as people do not want to read a book on computer monitor, and taking printouts and selling would hardly make financial sense. However, if there is any such motive of earning money, it totally prohibited, and in fact, only for that such huge copy right laws exist. Otherwise, scanning for personal use is fully warranted, and in fact, it is taking extra efforts to avail what is available to a sighted person easily after purchasing a book. to clarify, even after purchasing, we get a hard copy which we have to scan,. It is precisely to save such duplication of scanning efforts and promote ease of reading that e books are distributed to disabled by other disabled or even non-disabled. In this there is loss to publishers but it is minimal. It is minimal because they don't see business sense in making material accessible. Moreover, if you require every disabled reader of e books to pay up, only a fraction of those can actually pay and would read the book in any case. So, this is also promoting reading of books and their reach. At least the ideas contained them would reach the larger audience. Publishing is not like selling air conditioners motivated solely profit. It is a noble enterprise further the journey of ideas and thoughts. In that journey we the disabled are helping the authors and publishers. If the authors and publishers are solely greedy for profits, as it seems they are, then they should see the sense in making material accessible, or else, I at least, am ready and willing to openly distribute and scan the books to any body who is interested in them. If it is revolt, let be revolutionaries Regards Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:36 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we revolting? If the author do not provide book in accessible format, do we have the full right to scan and upload them? Every time we need something, we look for alternative (Jugar) or free solution! Why not to start a discussion and lets try forming an opinion (this would certainly help every one the next time contacting an author / publisher to provide book in accessible format. My Few questions for the starter. 1. Do you think, we (Reading Disabled only) have the right to scan / record / convert book in accessible format for our personal use? 1.1. If Yes, can we give it to some one (reading Disabled) for their personal use? 1.1.1. If no, Why every time one has to invest a lot of labor and time to convert same book just to be sure of not infringing Copyright? 1.1.2. If yes, who will ensure that the book is not passed to non reading disabled? 1.2 If No, then whose responsibility is to provide us (reading disabled) book in accessible format? They are just my confusion hence seeking opinion and not trying to indulge in ... Looking forward to hear from eminent leaders of the group specially bookshare, DAISY, Law, Disability and Book bole representatives. Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:02 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Dr. Nisha and others, Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the least. Taking life is altogether another thing. Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly. I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction. Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism. I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at least in the present era. Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide it accessible format. If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of distributing accessible books. Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that it makes business sense to provide accessible books. E book industry, as a whole is, like
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Piracy, in the strictest interpretation of the term, would definitely qualify as violence, but are we pirates? Oh no, we don't hijack ships? So we are not the kind you think? We are people who don't mind paying for self respect, but only request is this: make books accessible. If that is not legitimate and probably civil way of asking for one's right, then I don't quite understand what exactly you mean. If someone is going to understand my needs only if he/she realises that someone is scanning books, let them understand the requirements of people who are ready to pay and then act accordingly. Comparison with Maoists and Naxalites who believe in blowing their way into the corridors of power, is not appropriate in this case I think. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please
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Remember the story of the crane and the wolf? The wolf inviting the crane for dinner and provided the food in a flat plate which the ccrane cannot eat with a long and sharp beak? I don't support illegal copying of books, as someone who belong to the newspaper industry, but if the question is accessibility, why not the esteemed Minister of State for External Affairs can do it? After all, he was the former UN under secretary and surely he would have learnt of acccessiblity issues, is it not? Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:04 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Isn't it equal to piracy? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of nisha singh Sent: 08 October 2009 09:49 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Email secured by TPML Raksha Checkpoint To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Correct. Imagine if they do the same thing with food? Just because thieving is wrong, we can't starve since the government is not addressing our rightful need to eat like anyone else! After all, we are not passing it on to a multitude of persons who can otherwise walk up to a store and pay for his or her copy? We are distributing to those who actually cannot read. May be we just need to be politically correct and distribute it off the list. Come on folks, be smart!! Why this discussion. We do things only if our understanding of ethics says it is right! And in this instance I don't think our conscience is going to hurt terribly just because a few folks who otherwise would not have appreciated Tharur are reading his work now!! Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of akhilesh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:24 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n -- === Visit my blog at: freestuff4indians.blogspot.com Skype ID: akhil.akhil29 === To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Email secured by TPML Raksha Checkpoint To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation violation of law legalities? I understand we are here to read share. Let's leave anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers. Let's not be highly principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of practicalities. Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended, then it should be banned otherwise not. Be it books or software. However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than books. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation violation of law legalities? I understand we are here to read share. Let's leave anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers. Let's not be highly principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of practicalities. Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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In the case of book the idea is not to acct in breech of law, but to draw the attention towards inaccessibility of knowledge. I think it is Article 24 of Indian constitution that guarantees right to life, which, those arguing for changing copyright laws, are saying is not possible without a person exercising his basic right to read and write. Even UNCRPD asks for suitable changes to copyright laws. We can't cite any of these thingswhen it comes to disapproving usage of software. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended, then it should be banned otherwise not. Be it books or software. However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than books. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation violation of law legalities? I understand we are here to read share. Let's leave anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers. Let's not be highly principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of practicalities. Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Email secured by TPML Raksha Checkpoint To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
the question here is about accessiblity, available and affordability. very few publishers come out with electronic editions of their publications. even those who do, do it at a very high cost, that is often 10 times of the hard copies. not many major libraries, including that of universites have their books available in e format. while nondisabled students get the chance to read thing easily and freely, the visually challenged are deprived. in this case, our impairment deprive us of reading and understanding. scanning is a dificult task, involving lot more investment of time unlike buying the hard copy and reading. you don't need to Naxels. Gandhi has said that you should not submit to laws that atr not moral. depriving me because I am impairment is immoral, and I don't care about any such laws. regards. On 10/8/09, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended, then it should be banned otherwise not. Be it books or software. However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than books. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation violation of law legalities? I understand we are here to read share. Let's leave anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers. Let's not be highly principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of practicalities. Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Mahesh S. Panicker C123; Dayanand Colony; Lajpat Nagar4; New delhi india. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
the issue of software is a touch diferent. softwares are expensive, but that is the case for all individuals. as disabled, there is no additional discrimination against us. there is no question of discrimination. although in saying this, one has to also see that the quality screen reades are quite expensive, and only people with accessibility needs have to use them. On 10/8/09, Mahesh Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote: the question here is about accessiblity, available and affordability. very few publishers come out with electronic editions of their publications. even those who do, do it at a very high cost, that is often 10 times of the hard copies. not many major libraries, including that of universites have their books available in e format. while nondisabled students get the chance to read thing easily and freely, the visually challenged are deprived. in this case, our impairment deprive us of reading and understanding. scanning is a dificult task, involving lot more investment of time unlike buying the hard copy and reading. you don't need to Naxels. Gandhi has said that you should not submit to laws that atr not moral. depriving me because I am impairment is immoral, and I don't care about any such laws. regards. On 10/8/09, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended, then it should be banned otherwise not. Be it books or software. However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than books. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation violation of law legalities? I understand we are here to read share. Let's leave anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers. Let's not be highly principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of practicalities. Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Mahesh S. Panicker C123; Dayanand Colony; Lajpat Nagar4; New delhi india. -- Mahesh S. Panicker C123; Dayanand Colony; Lajpat Nagar4
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Hi, We are not supposed to ask for books on the list, as far as I remember. Then why all these comments on a book that again, as far as I can think, which is posted on a site. Anyone who wishes to read can download it from there. Regards, Sandeep At 12:55 PM 08-10-09, you wrote: Scanning is not that hard, specially for plain text material. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh Sent: 08 October 2009 12:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- === Visit my blog at: freestuff4indians.blogspot.com Skype ID: akhil.akhil29 === To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not for any commercial gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others. Renuka. - Original Message - From: govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Nisha Sing and others: 1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is a big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together wasting our precious time and energy? If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so? Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed. Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out reading and interpreting them? Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading? Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education? Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language? Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities for a VI person??? The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India. 2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all softwares you use? Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAWS? 3. If you are a real and complete blind, how did you read the books with out recording, scanning, in short with out any assistance? 4. If Prashanth and others don’t scan the books and don’t distribute them to any visually impaired in India or abroad, will you do it? Will you provide the books in an accessible format at your own cost? 5. Do you know how many of the visually impaired can successfully access the computer independently? Do you know how many of the visually impaired persons of this list, can access the computers of their own? Infact, are you a visually impaired who knows the practical difficulties of a VI person? Don’t live in Utopia, lead a practical and real life. Come in to the society, try to know the actual difficulties. Don’t restrict yourself to a limited section. I couldn’t express my wrath properly, yet I tried to do it at my best. And seriously I don’t regret for all my comments in this mail. -- Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be with you always. Mobile: 9959392651, 9030915271. Email: sgred...@gmail.com My blog: http://govindhowsweet.blogspot.com To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
So much has been said on this topic that I need not argue any further. Many thanks to all including Dr. Nisha, Dinesh and dear Mukesh for bringing up various issues related to this topic. Rajesh, Subramani, Chetan and others have advocated our rights extremely well. I just need to clarify a few points: I do not support piracy. I do not consider providing books in accessible formats to visually impaired persons who would otherwise would have been deprived of this knowledge an act of piracy. My intention in this case was as always to provide the book to print impaired persons and that is why I posted it on a website meant for visually impaired persons and informed a visually impaired mailing list about its availability. Aren’t all the libraries and organizations for the visually impaired doing a similar job for decades? I do take care and try not to give these books to non-disabled persons. I do respect the right of authors, and understand that they have a right to the income from the sale of their works. And this is why I have never shared all those digital copies I have acquired from the publishers or libraries directly as these books can be purchased/acquired by all visually impaired persons from them. The fact that less than 4% of the published knowledge is available in accessible formats troubles me a lot. Access to information is a key to education, vocation and overall growth. The present copyright laws and the publishing industry mind-set is preventing us from our basic human rights. My National Award tag urges me to take up this issue and do my little bit and that is why I referred to Right to Read in my earlier mail. I am glad that there is a greater awareness within the print impaired community since they have to push for changes in the present system. I hope someday publishers start providing accessible formats either voluntarily or due to legal obligations and then I will not have to scan dozens and dozens of books for my University students every week. And by the way, availability of accessible format is not enough, it must happen at the same time and at no extra cost. I am tired of asking students to wait for few weeks to 3 months for an accessible copy of their book whereas their peers get to read it on the first day. In such a situation, I can't really demand competitiveness and efficiency from my students. As far as asking for soft copies and permissions for conversion to accessible formats from Publishers is concerned, few AI members are witness to the indifferent treatment we often get as it also happened on 6th 8th October when we went to meet two Governmental content producers . Survey quoted from: http://www.worldblindunion.org/en/right-to-read.html Regards, Prashant Ranjan Verma www.prashant.myehome.in -- From: Renuka Warrier eren...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not for any commercial gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others. Renuka. - Original Message - From: govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear Nisha Sing and others: 1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is a big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together wasting our precious time and energy? If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so? Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed. Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out reading and interpreting them? Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading? Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education? Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language? Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities for a VI person??? The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India. 2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all softwares you use? Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAWS? 3. If you are a real and complete blind, how did you read the books with out recording, scanning, in short with out any assistance? 4. If Prashanth and others don’t scan the books and don’t distribute them to any visually impaired in India or abroad, will you do it? Will you provide the books in an accessible format at your own cost? 5. Do you know how many of the visually impaired can
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Hello all I suppose, we have dwellt the same set of arguments in the past. This does not get us anywhere. What we need to do is to: 1 Put our suggestions for the proposed changes to the PWD 2 Lobby with all the might to get the copyright laws amended. This would need thinking out of the box. Guys, transform your engergies and talents to compell the folks concerned to do something about it. I suppose with this we can keep this thread live for putting forth positive suggestions. XRCVC has made a beautiful DVD presentation lobbying for changes to the Copyright act. There could be more roads; think about it. This issue is certainly grave and the charged debate is indication of it. Harish Kotian - Original Message - From: ashish ashish2...@accessindia.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field hello, I bought hard copies of some books when publishers did not reply my mails and I also could not get a response of my phone calls. so? do you think I have no right to scan them? and if I have a scanned copy I will definitely distribute it to my friends who need it, because I know the attitude of publishers. and about the minister well I have never met him personally and I know I will not have such a good fortune in future also , but I seriously doubt about his image of most easily accessible minister. the person who compares public of his country with cattle can not be much helpful to anyone. according to this view if I pay someone to record a book that will be also illegal because reader did not pay for it. so the conclusion is that I am visually impaired so I have no right to read books? sorry I do not agree and will never agree. I am ready to pay but I want books accessible to me. take care, regards. ashish - Original Message - From: Dr. nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field dear Akhilesh, do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always available, by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters. demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a civil society. akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour and give it to pirates. sounds good?? stand against piracy. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh akhil.akhi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks allot sir!!! The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher and writer is extremely good!!! This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read. This is the time when we must force our government to amend the copyright act 1957!!! Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it. Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the continuation of that same help. Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for these sorts of purposes. Thanks Akhilesh. On 10/8/09, nisha singh nishaforpeo...@gmail.com wrote: Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Good show Prashant. Right to read indeed is the buzz word. - Original Message - From: Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
Dear prashant, scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law. if you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in the national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out of his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do this. i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy who are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way. Tharoor is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community. nisha On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear all, This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com. You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing relations. You can search for this book by title or else look for Shadows Across the Playing Field in the recently uploaded books. Sorry authors and Mr. publisher you see we have a right to read all published material at the same time at no extra cost and in a format accessible to us. I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available. Prashant To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
