Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
Instead of going into the edit menu and executing all the necessary commands from there, you can temporarily turn your virtual cursor off and execute the same commands with the control key and then turn it on again after doing this and then take the desired action in the word. Vikas Kapoor, MSN ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: dl_vikas Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: "Syed Imran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws. Hello Moiz and my dear list members, This is a lengthy E-mail. I like to share my technique of copying any data from web pages in its original format including tables and hyperlinks. I assure you that if you perform these operations correctly, you can copy the exact data appearing on the screen. I further make myself clear to you that the copied data will be free from line-breaks and page-breaks. So I hope you don't mind spending some of your time with me to read this mail carefully. Before telling you how to copy, I want to make you aware of a curious technology which Freedomscientific is using in order to make web documents accessible by using something called "Virtual PC cursor". The virtual PC cursor performs the function of copying and differentiating headings, links, formfields, and other such elements on a web page. This is called "Virtualising". Virtualising includes finding out the different elements on a web page, layout of tables, etc and making these elements appear in a seperate line. The text we read using jaws in a web page is not what a sighted person reads on the screen. Let me make it easy to understand by an example. I have given a paragraph in 2 different illustrations as to show how exactly a paragraph with links might appear on the screen and how Jaws reads for us. I think it is necessary for us to know how virtual viewer works, to understand why line breaks appear when we copy any data from Internet explorer I) Illustration 1 How does a web page appear on the screen? (not virtualised) -- The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: Some LINK fruits and LINK vegetables preserved by pickling. The fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut into pieces and enough salt is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. LINK Oil and LINK spices are added. The pickle are stored in a LINK dry jar with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir and take the pickle from the jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is used. In this illustration, you can observe jaws saying "Link" in the middle of the line. I think this is how a "link" element appears on the screen. But whenever Jaws encounters any links in a web page, it breaks the line to present them in a separate line as to make more accessible and also to an extent, save the time of the readers. Let me try to give an idea about the same in the 2nd illustration: ii) Illustration 2 How does Jaws virtualise the content? (virtualised) The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: Some LINK fruits and LINK vegetables preserved by pickling. The fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut into pieces and enough salt is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. LINK Oil and LINK spices are added. The pickle are stored in a Link dry jar with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir and take the pickle from the jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is used. So this is how Jaws arranges the data in the web page after virtualising. However, when you copy this text to Microsoft Word, you will observe the text broken something like this: Some fruits and vegetables Instead of: Some fruits and vegetables We can surely remove the line breaks by pressing CTRL+downarrow and then back space followed by space bar as Vetry said, but it takes lot of time. Especially the lengthy documents. So when you want to copy anything from internet explorer, don't use selecting keys like Shift+downarrow, or ctrl+A to select the text. follow these simple steps exactly to copy the exact information without line or page breaks. 1. Open the web page from which you want to copy 2. Press Alt+E to pull down edit menu. 3. Choose "Select all," by pressing A. We can't press CTRL+A directly instead of pulling down edit menu because Jaws will select from its virtual buffer. And I think Moiz, this could be the cause of your problem. 4. Again pull down the edit menu (Alt E) and choose copy by pressing C. Now what actually happens is that when you select all and copy from the edit menu, the data gets directly copied from Internet explorer and not from Jaws virtual buffer. 5. Open Microsoft word with a new document. 6. Paste whatever is copied from internet. This will paste the entire web page in your new documents including pictures, tables, links etc. 7. Keep whatever y
Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
Excellent. I normally use the paste special option under edit menu in ms word. The default choice under this menu is as html. Using ctrl+v performs it. But it also gives option for pasting unformatted text etc. Using this feature pastes the text only retaining line breaks. Best regards, Amiyo. Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: "Syed Imran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws. > Hello Moiz and my dear list members, > > This is a lengthy E-mail. I like to share my technique of copying any data > from web pages in its original format including tables and hyperlinks. I > assure you that if you perform these operations correctly, you can copy the > exact data appearing on the screen. I further make myself clear to you that > the copied data will be free from line-breaks and page-breaks. So I hope you > don't mind spending some of your time with me to read this mail carefully. > Before telling you how to copy, I want to make you aware of a curious > technology which Freedomscientific is using in order to make web documents > accessible by using something called "Virtual PC cursor". The virtual PC > cursor performs the function of copying and differentiating headings, links, > formfields, and other such elements on a web page. This is called > "Virtualising". Virtualising includes finding out the different elements on > a web page, layout of tables, etc and making these elements appear in a > seperate line. The text we read using jaws in a web page is not what a > sighted person reads on the screen. Let me make it easy to understand by an > example. > I have given a paragraph in 2 different illustrations as to show how exactly > a paragraph with links might appear on the screen and how Jaws reads for us. > I think it is necessary for us to know how virtual viewer works, to > understand why line breaks appear when we copy any data from Internet > explorer > > I) Illustration 1 How does a web page appear on the screen? (not > virtualised) > -- > > The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: > > Some LINK fruits and LINK vegetables preserved by pickling. The > fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut into pieces and enough salt > is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. LINK Oil and LINK spices are > added. The pickle > are stored in a LINK dry jar with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir > and take the pickle from the jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is > used. > > > In this illustration, you can observe jaws saying "Link" in the middle of > the line. I think this is how a "link" element appears on the screen. > But whenever Jaws encounters any links in a web page, it breaks the line to > present them in a separate line as to make more accessible and also to an > extent, save the time of the readers. Let me try to give an idea about the > same in the 2nd illustration: > ii) Illustration 2 How does Jaws virtualise the content? (virtualised) > > The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: > > Some > LINK fruits and > LINK vegetables > preserved by pickling. The fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut > into pieces and enough salt > is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. > LINK Oil > and > LINK spices are added. The pickle are stored in a > Link dry jar > with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir and take the pickle from the > jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is used. > > > > So this is how Jaws arranges the data in the web page after virtualising. > However, when you copy this text to Microsoft Word, you will observe the > text broken something like this: > > Some > fruits and > vegetables > Instead of: > Some fruits and vegetables > We can surely remove the line breaks by pressing CTRL+downarrow and then > back space followed by space bar as Vetry said, but it takes lot of time. > Especially the lengthy documents. So when you want to copy anything from > internet explorer, don't use selecting keys like Shift+downarrow, or ctrl+A > to select the text. follow these simple steps exactly to copy the exact > information without line or page breaks. > > 1. Open the web page from which you want to copy > > 2. Press Alt+E to pull down edit menu. > > 3. Choose "Select all," by pressing A. > We can't press CTRL+A directly instead of pulling down edit menu because > Jaws will select from its virtual buffer. And I think Moiz, this could be > the cause of your problem. > > 4. Again pull down the edit menu (Alt E) and choose copy by pressing C. > Now
Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
Hello Moiz and my dear list members, This is a lengthy E-mail. I like to share my technique of copying any data from web pages in its original format including tables and hyperlinks. I assure you that if you perform these operations correctly, you can copy the exact data appearing on the screen. I further make myself clear to you that the copied data will be free from line-breaks and page-breaks. So I hope you don't mind spending some of your time with me to read this mail carefully. Before telling you how to copy, I want to make you aware of a curious technology which Freedomscientific is using in order to make web documents accessible by using something called "Virtual PC cursor". The virtual PC cursor performs the function of copying and differentiating headings, links, formfields, and other such elements on a web page. This is called "Virtualising". Virtualising includes finding out the different elements on a web page, layout of tables, etc and making these elements appear in a seperate line. The text we read using jaws in a web page is not what a sighted person reads on the screen. Let me make it easy to understand by an example. I have given a paragraph in 2 different illustrations as to show how exactly a paragraph with links might appear on the screen and how Jaws reads for us. I think it is necessary for us to know how virtual viewer works, to understand why line breaks appear when we copy any data from Internet explorer I) Illustration 1 How does a web page appear on the screen? (not virtualised) -- The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: Some LINK fruits and LINK vegetables preserved by pickling. The fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut into pieces and enough salt is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. LINK Oil and LINK spices are added. The pickle are stored in a LINK dry jar with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir and take the pickle from the jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is used. In this illustration, you can observe jaws saying "Link" in the middle of the line. I think this is how a "link" element appears on the screen. But whenever Jaws encounters any links in a web page, it breaks the line to present them in a separate line as to make more accessible and also to an extent, save the time of the readers. Let me try to give an idea about the same in the 2nd illustration: ii) Illustration 2 How does Jaws virtualise the content? (virtualised) The process of pickling fruits and vegetables: Some LINK fruits and LINK vegetables preserved by pickling. The fruit/vegetable washed and dried. Then it is cut into pieces and enough salt is added. These pieces are kept in the sun. LINK Oil and LINK spices are added. The pickle are stored in a Link dry jar with a tight lid. A dry spoon is used to stir and take the pickle from the jar. The pickle will spoil if a wet spoon is used. So this is how Jaws arranges the data in the web page after virtualising. However, when you copy this text to Microsoft Word, you will observe the text broken something like this: Some fruits and vegetables Instead of: Some fruits and vegetables We can surely remove the line breaks by pressing CTRL+downarrow and then back space followed by space bar as Vetry said, but it takes lot of time. Especially the lengthy documents. So when you want to copy anything from internet explorer, don't use selecting keys like Shift+downarrow, or ctrl+A to select the text. follow these simple steps exactly to copy the exact information without line or page breaks. 1. Open the web page from which you want to copy 2. Press Alt+E to pull down edit menu. 3. Choose "Select all," by pressing A. We can't press CTRL+A directly instead of pulling down edit menu because Jaws will select from its virtual buffer. And I think Moiz, this could be the cause of your problem. 4. Again pull down the edit menu (Alt E) and choose copy by pressing C. Now what actually happens is that when you select all and copy from the edit menu, the data gets directly copied from Internet explorer and not from Jaws virtual buffer. 5. Open Microsoft word with a new document. 6. Paste whatever is copied from internet. This will paste the entire web page in your new documents including pictures, tables, links etc. 7. Keep whatever you want and delete unnecessary stuff. Some tips: 1. If you don't want pictures, tables and links, then paste it in notepad and then copy it to Microsoft word 2. However if you want tables, then paste it in wordpad and after selecting the pasted text, copy it to Microsoft word. 3. If you suspect that there are hyperlinks still in the edited document, press CTRL+A and press CTRL+SHIFT+F9 to clear the hyperlink attribute from the entire document. I am still searching for some easier way to copy from web pages and will be thankful if anyone could help in this regard. For your success Syed Imran To unsubsc
Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
This is what I do, when I have to cut/paste an article from e-mail to word. When you do that the sentences are broken and sometimes the para-breaks given by the writer would miss out. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan, Adhimoolam Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:50 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws. *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** Just to add to your point, not only page breaks, but also lines get inserted. What I do is a bit lengthier process, but at least it works for me. Starting from the top of a particular paragraph, keep pressing control+down aero. Each time you press it, you will be in a continuing paragraph and just press back-space and spacebar ones to remove the unnecessary lines and to make sure that words are not merged. When you get to the end of a paragraph, then you will here "blank. Just leave out that blank line and go to the next paragraph. Repeat these steps until the end of the document. I would also like to know from others if there is a quicker and easier process than the one I have just described. Vetri. - Original Message - From: "moiz tundawalla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: [AI] page breaks and jaws. Hello. Using the cut, copy and paste commands with jaws while transfering data on a web page into a word document produces peculiar results. The stuff comes up all right but then page breaks get inserted automatically. This has been a major irritant over the past few years. How do I resolve the issue? My apologies for raising the issue once again. But I couldnt quite figure out what exactly was said the last time around. I reiterate that I am no computer geek. So please try to be a bit elaborate in your explanations. Thanks a lot in advance, Moiz. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
Instead of using the copy cut paste command through controlC and controlV, just do it from the edit menu, you'll retain the exact layout of the page in the word which you have seen on the net. Although this may not sound logical in the first place, using copy cut paste through controlC and controlV is very much different from doing the same using the edit menu in terms of producing results. Vikas Kapoor, MSN ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: dl_vikas Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: "Vetrivel Murugan, Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws. Just to add to your point, not only page breaks, but also lines get inserted. What I do is a bit lengthier process, but at least it works for me. Starting from the top of a particular paragraph, keep pressing control+down aero. Each time you press it, you will be in a continuing paragraph and just press back-space and spacebar ones to remove the unnecessary lines and to make sure that words are not merged. When you get to the end of a paragraph, then you will here "blank. Just leave out that blank line and go to the next paragraph. Repeat these steps until the end of the document. I would also like to know from others if there is a quicker and easier process than the one I have just described. Vetri. - Original Message - From: "moiz tundawalla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: [AI] page breaks and jaws. Hello. Using the cut, copy and paste commands with jaws while transfering data on a web page into a word document produces peculiar results. The stuff comes up all right but then page breaks get inserted automatically. This has been a major irritant over the past few years. How do I resolve the issue? My apologies for raising the issue once again. But I couldnt quite figure out what exactly was said the last time around. I reiterate that I am no computer geek. So please try to be a bit elaborate in your explanations. Thanks a lot in advance, Moiz. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] page breaks and jaws.
Just to add to your point, not only page breaks, but also lines get inserted. What I do is a bit lengthier process, but at least it works for me. Starting from the top of a particular paragraph, keep pressing control+down aero. Each time you press it, you will be in a continuing paragraph and just press back-space and spacebar ones to remove the unnecessary lines and to make sure that words are not merged. When you get to the end of a paragraph, then you will here "blank. Just leave out that blank line and go to the next paragraph. Repeat these steps until the end of the document. I would also like to know from others if there is a quicker and easier process than the one I have just described. Vetri. - Original Message - From: "moiz tundawalla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: [AI] page breaks and jaws. Hello. Using the cut, copy and paste commands with jaws while transfering data on a web page into a word document produces peculiar results. The stuff comes up all right but then page breaks get inserted automatically. This has been a major irritant over the past few years. How do I resolve the issue? My apologies for raising the issue once again. But I couldnt quite figure out what exactly was said the last time around. I reiterate that I am no computer geek. So please try to be a bit elaborate in your explanations. Thanks a lot in advance, Moiz. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
