RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Don't get me started on attachments. Since I am a contractor for the government we have to do what they say even though it goes against good IT practices and even when we try to tell them why it is not smart they want to do it anyway. Email attachments in excess of 20MB are not uncommon in my environment. We still set that limit but email was never meant to handle that size of an attachment. I think you guys are bringing this up just to raise my blood pressure, thanks, LOL! Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:39 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Don't get me started on attachments. Since I am a contractor for the government we have to do what they say even though it goes against good IT practices and even when we try to tell them why it is not smart they want to do it anyway. Email attachments in excess of 20MB are not uncommon in my environment. We still set that limit but email was never meant to handle that size of an attachment. I think you guys are bringing this up just to raise my blood pressure, thanks, LOL! Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
All of these stories beg for a moderated DL facility in Exchange. Some people can submit, someone has to moderate and release prior to allowing it to really go out. That same facility could spell check and strip attachments, convert to plain text, stagger the send so it doesn't go out in one huge 270,000 users at once blast but instead 10k every 5 minutes, etc. This is seriously why several larger companies do not use Exchange DL functionality, they pull it out into third party products or even into a simple server with SMTP enabled and a perl script processing the incoming messages and resending them out properly. I have seen more than my share of issues with large companies having Exchange servers getting killed for perf because of uncontrolled DL use and the server taking awhile to bail itself back out of the hole it dug trying to processing the messages. QB DLs scare me to death as I don't have any customers currently using them but wonder how bad it will be once they do. I haven't done really any Exchange programming except for simple scripts and a very brief forray into MAPI to try and figure out how to create a decent reconnect[1]. If I were, I think I would do some coding around the whole DL functionality including the above and other things like logging DL expansion, etc. I would ask for this out of MS but there are many other things I would rather see fixed first in terms of poor implementation of current functionality. I think I have a good 10 bugs logged for Exchange right now that I haven't heard anything other than thanks for submitting. I wouldn't be entirely upset if Exchange didn't release any new features for the next two releases and just focused on solving the issues in the current product experienced in large environments and made things like the permission model more intuitive and simple. joe [1] Hint, don't go there, it is like Dagobah, all icky, stinky, and swampy. However if someone has the source for mbconn or ESM, let me know and I will make an attempt at writing a command line reconnect tool again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:39 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Don't get me started on attachments. Since I am a contractor for the government we have to do what they say even though it goes against good IT practices and even when we try to tell them why it is not smart they want to do it anyway. Email attachments in excess of 20MB are not uncommon in my environment. We still set that limit but email was never meant to handle that size of an attachment. I think you guys are bringing this up just to raise my blood pressure, thanks, LOL! Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Only 10? :-) Listserv functionality is an area they've identified for third parties. I'm not a C++ programmer; but a simple facility in perl or vbscript is easy. But to do it all in Exchange (i.e., no external databases), I needed a feature that was promised for Mercury. Regardless, most of this capability is in Sharepoint, and probably could be put together pretty quickly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:17 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits All of these stories beg for a moderated DL facility in Exchange. Some people can submit, someone has to moderate and release prior to allowing it to really go out. That same facility could spell check and strip attachments, convert to plain text, stagger the send so it doesn't go out in one huge 270,000 users at once blast but instead 10k every 5 minutes, etc. This is seriously why several larger companies do not use Exchange DL functionality, they pull it out into third party products or even into a simple server with SMTP enabled and a perl script processing the incoming messages and resending them out properly. I have seen more than my share of issues with large companies having Exchange servers getting killed for perf because of uncontrolled DL use and the server taking awhile to bail itself back out of the hole it dug trying to processing the messages. QB DLs scare me to death as I don't have any customers currently using them but wonder how bad it will be once they do. I haven't done really any Exchange programming except for simple scripts and a very brief forray into MAPI to try and figure out how to create a decent reconnect[1]. If I were, I think I would do some coding around the whole DL functionality including the above and other things like logging DL expansion, etc. I would ask for this out of MS but there are many other things I would rather see fixed first in terms of poor implementation of current functionality. I think I have a good 10 bugs logged for Exchange right now that I haven't heard anything other than thanks for submitting. I wouldn't be entirely upset if Exchange didn't release any new features for the next two releases and just focused on solving the issues in the current product experienced in large environments and made things like the permission model more intuitive and simple. joe [1] Hint, don't go there, it is like Dagobah, all icky, stinky, and swampy. However if someone has the source for mbconn or ESM, let me know and I will make an attempt at writing a command line reconnect tool again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:39 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Don't get me started on attachments. Since I am a contractor for the government we have to do what they say even though it goes against good IT practices and even when we try to tell them why it is not smart they want to do it anyway. Email attachments in excess of 20MB are not uncommon in my environment. We still set that limit but email was never meant to handle that size of an attachment. I think you guys are bringing this up just to raise my blood pressure, thanks, LOL! Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Yeah instead of saying a good 10, I probably should have said at least 10. They are spread through a variety of feedback channels over the last 3 or so years from PSS to MVP Wish to Ladybug. I think I have 9 in ladybug right now plus 2 recommendations for things that already should be in the product (perf counters for filtered messages/connections dropped due to filtering, easy mechanism to determine if a non-system user are using a mailbox for something than looking at the calendar). joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:37 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Only 10? :-) Listserv functionality is an area they've identified for third parties. I'm not a C++ programmer; but a simple facility in perl or vbscript is easy. But to do it all in Exchange (i.e., no external databases), I needed a feature that was promised for Mercury. Regardless, most of this capability is in Sharepoint, and probably could be put together pretty quickly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:17 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits All of these stories beg for a moderated DL facility in Exchange. Some people can submit, someone has to moderate and release prior to allowing it to really go out. That same facility could spell check and strip attachments, convert to plain text, stagger the send so it doesn't go out in one huge 270,000 users at once blast but instead 10k every 5 minutes, etc. This is seriously why several larger companies do not use Exchange DL functionality, they pull it out into third party products or even into a simple server with SMTP enabled and a perl script processing the incoming messages and resending them out properly. I have seen more than my share of issues with large companies having Exchange servers getting killed for perf because of uncontrolled DL use and the server taking awhile to bail itself back out of the hole it dug trying to processing the messages. QB DLs scare me to death as I don't have any customers currently using them but wonder how bad it will be once they do. I haven't done really any Exchange programming except for simple scripts and a very brief forray into MAPI to try and figure out how to create a decent reconnect[1]. If I were, I think I would do some coding around the whole DL functionality including the above and other things like logging DL expansion, etc. I would ask for this out of MS but there are many other things I would rather see fixed first in terms of poor implementation of current functionality. I think I have a good 10 bugs logged for Exchange right now that I haven't heard anything other than thanks for submitting. I wouldn't be entirely upset if Exchange didn't release any new features for the next two releases and just focused on solving the issues in the current product experienced in large environments and made things like the permission model more intuitive and simple. joe [1] Hint, don't go there, it is like Dagobah, all icky, stinky, and swampy. However if someone has the source for mbconn or ESM, let me know and I will make an attempt at writing a command line reconnect tool again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:39 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Don't get me started on attachments. Since I am a contractor for the government we have to do what they say even though it goes against good IT practices and even when we try to tell them why it is not smart they want to do it anyway. Email attachments in excess of 20MB are not uncommon in my environment. We still set that limit but email was never meant to handle that size of an attachment. I think you guys are bringing this up just to raise my blood pressure, thanks, LOL! Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Now do your users spell shit right in these messages? Every last one of them had a typo today. One of them they even botched the subject - Pruchasing Newsletter. Yesterday or two days ago I forget the Pruchasing department had to send two blast messages, you see they forgot the time date in message #1. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:50 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Actually, higher limits are possible, but require modifying the AD attributes outside of the normal GUI. For example using ADSI Edit to change these attributes of a user/mailbox: mDBStorageQuota - Warning Limit mDBOverQuotaLimit - Prohibit Send mDBOverHardQuotaLimit - Prohibit Send / Receive - Brendan Moon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes, I'm using Exchange 2003. I guess if you are going to set limits, the biggest limit you can set is 1kb less than 2Gb (2Gb = 2097152 Kb). Maybe MS figures that anyone who's going to set a limit over two gigs really shouldn't bother setting limits? If you don't set limits then, well, I haven't seen a hard number on the ceiling yet as to how big a mailbox can get.. Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Hi Joe, What version of Exchange are you using is it 2003? One of my user group members just mentioned that he was limited to 2GB, however he had enforced prohibit send and receive and tried setting the limit to 2.5GB when he receive the error I have attached. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:28 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Title: Exchange and disabling accounts You can control the limit yourself by using System Policy that is applied to all users. You could also change the mailbox size limit on users properties using ADUC, Exchange General Tab, Storage Limit. You could remove the limit for users on vacation (if you like). Thanks,Marie - Original Message - From: Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim
Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Tim, We use 65 MB for a warning and prohibit send at 75MB. We don't put any restrictions on receiving because of the reason you mentioned. We don't want anyone to not receive an important piece of mail. You support the Air Force so you may also want to create another store for VIP users (Generals/Colonels/Senior Gov't). They would have much higher limits because the last thing you want is a call from a General asking why he can't send mail. Thanks Mike On 6/9/05, Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Title: Exchange and disabling accounts Id be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most regular users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they cant send. If a regular users mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Our regular users are set to stop sending and receiving at 100MB, while our VIP users have a larger limit. I would like to set it to only stop sending at 100MB but I'm afraid their mailboxes would grow out of control. Most users work out of their PST file but if their not here to open Outlook it's not going into their PST. Thanks for all the input, I was just curious to how others were setup. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike kline Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:20 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Tim, We use 65 MB for a warning and prohibit send at 75MB. We don't put any restrictions on receiving because of the reason you mentioned. We don't want anyone to not receive an important piece of mail. You support the Air Force so you may also want to create another store for VIP users (Generals/Colonels/Senior Gov't). They would have much higher limits because the last thing you want is a call from a General asking why he can't send mail. Thanks Mike On 6/9/05, Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Hi Joe, What version of Exchange are you using is it 2003? One of my user group members just mentioned that he was limited to 2GB, however he had enforced prohibit send and receive and tried setting the limit to 2.5GB when he receive the error I have attached. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:28 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Yes, I'm using Exchange 2003. I guess if you are going to set limits, the biggest limit you can set is 1kb less than 2Gb (2Gb = 2097152 Kb). Maybe MS figures that anyone who's going to set a limit over two gigs really shouldn't bother setting limits? If you don't set limits then, well, I haven't seen a hard number on the ceiling yet as to how big a mailbox can get.. Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Hi Joe, What version of Exchange are you using is it 2003? One of my user group members just mentioned that he was limited to 2GB, however he had enforced prohibit send and receive and tried setting the limit to 2.5GB when he receive the error I have attached. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:28 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
The amount of data alone from this LIST would fill 8 megs a day :-) Generally I have come across with 50 to 100 MB limits with a 90 MB soft warning. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Hi Joe, Thanks for the feedback, it sounds logical. I was also under that same assumption, however the largest mailbox I have had to support so far has only been 2.4gb's and was unsure. Jose :-) -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:41 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes, I'm using Exchange 2003. I guess if you are going to set limits, the biggest limit you can set is 1kb less than 2Gb (2Gb = 2097152 Kb). Maybe MS figures that anyone who's going to set a limit over two gigs really shouldn't bother setting limits? If you don't set limits then, well, I haven't seen a hard number on the ceiling yet as to how big a mailbox can get.. Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Hi Joe, What version of Exchange are you using is it 2003? One of my user group members just mentioned that he was limited to 2GB, however he had enforced prohibit send and receive and tried setting the limit to 2.5GB when he receive the error I have attached. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:28 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Just out of curiosity, those of you who are Exchange Admins, what is the max size that your users can stop sending and receiving? How do you deal with users who are out of the office your whatever reason, so they don't lose emails because their over there limit? Thanks Tim List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
Outlook .pst files have a problem with corruption at 2GB. Mailbox size - how big is the store? :0) We had one lady who saved every report, every e-mail, I mean EVERYTHING, since the day she started. Her e-mail box on the Exchange server was (might still be - not my problem anymore) approx. 30GB. THAT was impressive! Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave A. Marquis Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Really? I read somewhere that there is a 1.5 gig limit on mailbox size and after that it can be corrupted with support from MS. Has anyone heard this? David A. Marquis Computer Systems Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros, Jose Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Hi Joe, What version of Exchange are you using is it 2003? One of my user group members just mentioned that he was limited to 2GB, however he had enforced prohibit send and receive and tried setting the limit to 2.5GB when he receive the error I have attached. Sincerely, Jose Medeiros Former Vice President and Postmaster NTEA MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT www.ntea.net www.tvnug.org www.sfntug.org - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:28 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Yes it is... I have one user with a 13Gb mailbox. (Yes, that's gigabytes.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Burkes, Jeremy [Contractor] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits In my current position they were in the process of migrating from Exchange 5.5 to 2000 and had to turn off the limitation policy for the migration (I cannot remember why). I have users with 800 - 1000 MB mailboxes. My information stores are growing somewhat out of control. We are turning back on our email deletion policy and are going to enforce 500MB limitations for most users and probably 750MB for our commanders. It is amazing what users will do when given the space. Jeremy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:28 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits Dèjì, I'd tend to agree with you there... 25Mb is nothing when you can go out and get a free email account with a gig a space from many providers. I do believe I'd be drawn and quartered if I recommended a 25mb, or even a 250 mb limit here... That being said, every organization is different. If they have a business justification for such a small mailbox size that's up to them... Hopefully when being so restrictive, they're properly controlling the usage of PST's (for various reasons) and controlling business use of external email accounts (in part to control garbage, and in part to comply with any retention regulations as applicable). Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits
ROTLMAO! I share your pain, Brian. Yeah Gotta love those 'Send to ALL' DLs - and the obvious misuse of same. Black bronco in the north parking lot, second level - your lights are on Ummm, which city/site? I only have 50 of them. And, I'm guessing the sender knows where he/she is. So, why send to the ENTIRE COMPANY? I could almost understand using the ALL DL for that site. And (I'm really kinda heartless, so excuse this, please) people who leave their lights on need to be reminded that it's their problem - so who cares? OK - apparently I'm cranky at 1AM :oD Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits And then I have this problem. We have CO All (2500 mailboxes) and CPS ALL (60K mailboxes). Today the dumbasses with access to these DLs sent: 1x5K - CPS ALL 1x15K - CO ALL 1x270K - CO ALL (two fricken attachments) 1x9K - CO ALL Now times all that out assuming SIS works perfectly by oh I think 260ish mailstores. Our quotas for teachers (like 50K of them): 60/70/80 and central office employees - 250/400/450. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits LOL, a major customer you and I have both worked with currently has mailbox limits of 20MB for most of their 200k or so mailboxes and as a whole, it works fine. I think execs get 50-80MB. I had heard a few people complain that some HTML messages are several MB so it doesn't take but an hour or so for 20MB to get filled up. The response from the folks doing the mailbox quota support was... Stop using HTML for messages. Unless you knew someone who could yell at someone, chances are slim you will get an increase from 20MB. Once Exchange quotas got stored in my AD my quota mysteriously went to 80MB, we could never figure out what the misfire was in the system... I told them I would look into it and get back to them. Seriously though, if you think about it, 20MB for 200K users is a lot of space, no matter how cheap the disk and you have to consider deleted items retention and backup space to go back say 30,60,90 or even more days on top of all of that. You can go quite a ways with 20MB of plain text messages. You don't really often needs graphics and pretty fonts to communicate with folks. I can see companies making judgements along those lines. Especially as more and more reports come out about how email and instant messaging is probably starting to hurt productivity more than help. I have heard of a couple of companies backing away from the email world and seeing tremendous productivity gains and better customer service. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits This is NOT personal, but let me say that your limits are overly restrictive and counter-productive as far as fostering good relationship with your end-users is concerned. In this day and age (html email and all), 25MB is nothing, especially when you consider the fact that hard drive costs are exponentially less than what they used to be 2-3 years ago. That is all my opinion and, again, it's not meant to knock you in a personal way. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Smith Sent: Thu 6/9/2005 5:22 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange Mailbox Limits I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, too. We are stingy with our mailbox limits because the more we give our users the more they abuse it. We limit most 'regular' users to 8MB with a warning at 7MB. When they reach 8MB they can't send. If a regular user's mailbox gets to 15MB then we disable it. This forces the user to do something - either call the Help Desk or clean out their mail. Directors and chiefs and commissioners and such are generally given much higher limits. We start at 25MB and then increase by 10MB if necessary. We do have a handful of users who have no limits whatsoever and their mailboxes are out of control. We are in the process of migrating to Exchange2003 and implementing mailbox manager. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mischler Timothy J Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:55 AM To: ActiveDir
