Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Mark Parris]

Arggh a Dutchman in German clothing.
Regards,

Mark Parris

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-Original Message-
From: "Laura E. Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:11:47 
To:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.

On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's kisses in
> my cheeks like a squirrel.
>
> --
> O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Akomolafe, Deji
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:37 PM
>
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
> >>>you should have used a smiley
> There was a time, way back when so way back we may need a time machine
> .. that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every
> public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet
> humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not
> all interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
> Carriers [1] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
> Please don't equate the non-existence of smiley with malice.
>
> In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflection or facial expression
> was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have
> gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have
> inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
> time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
> even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.
>
> >>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the
> same.
>
> IF you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then
> you are even boobier than me[2]
>
>
> [1]For the overly-curious -
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html and
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
> [2]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll
> pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it
> until then.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
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> Yesterday? -anon
>
> 
> From: joe
> Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is the
> only thread I can find that you have responded to
>
> It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
> bother?
>
> If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider it
> strike 1. While Laura can be feisty, many people do think she is important.
> I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been extremely helpful
> both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in personal email
> and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty. Feisty
> doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how willing
> people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
> complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
> helpful occasionally.
>
> So while I don't consider this strike 1 for you, I do hope that you
> contribute in a positive meaningful manner at some point as Laura has done
> on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
>
>
> Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and
> parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
> don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little
> boring as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
> are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a
> great many of the "personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting
> even more, I actually find it oddly enjoya

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Michael Miller]

no oops needed, IMHO

I think we crossed a line here and would like to see this thread stopped 
before Tony gets back.  ;-)


-mjm



Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

(oops)

;-) and :-) of course

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
... it must be everyone weirding out waiting for their Vista 
downloads on MSDN... at least I'm hoping that's the 
reasonotherwise...can we go back to when Deji was insulting the 
wrong Laura?  At least near my dinnertime?


Laura A. Robinson wrote:

I am so grossed out now.
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Harris

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:01 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Mm...  Yummy!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:37 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

May I have that fork when you're finished?
  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. 
Hunter

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.

On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's 
kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.


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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

(oops)

;-) and :-) of course

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
... it must be everyone weirding out waiting for their Vista downloads 
on MSDN... at least I'm hoping that's the reasonotherwise...can we 
go back to when Deji was insulting the wrong Laura?  At least near my 
dinnertime?


Laura A. Robinson wrote:

I am so grossed out now.
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Harris

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:01 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Mm...  Yummy!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:37 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

May I have that fork when you're finished?
   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. 
Hunter

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.

On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's 
kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.


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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

... it must be everyone weirding out waiting for their Vista downloads 
on MSDN... at least I'm hoping that's the reasonotherwise...can we 
go back to when Deji was insulting the wrong Laura?  At least near my 
dinnertime?


Laura A. Robinson wrote:
I am so grossed out now. 

  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Harris

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:01 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Mm...  Yummy! 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:37 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

May I have that fork when you're finished? 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. 
Hunter

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.

On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's 
kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

I am so grossed out now. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Harris
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:01 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> Mm...  Yummy! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
> Robinson
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:37 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> May I have that fork when you're finished? 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. 
> > Hunter
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> > 
> > Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
> > It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.
> > 
> > On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
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> > > kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Derek Harris]

Mm...  Yummy! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:37 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

May I have that fork when you're finished? 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Laura E. Hunter
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
> It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.
> 
> On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's 
> > kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

May I have that fork when you're finished? 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Laura E. Hunter
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:12 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
> It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.
> 
> On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's 
> > kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.
> >
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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura E. Hunter]

Great, thanks joe.  Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.

On 11/17/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's kisses in
my cheeks like a squirrel.

--
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http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:37 PM

To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



>>>you should have used a smiley
There was a time, way back when so way back we may need a time machine
.. that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every
public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet
humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not
all interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
Carriers [1] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
Please don't equate the non-existence of smiley with malice.

In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflection or facial expression
was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have
gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have
inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.

>>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the
same.

IF you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then
you are even boobier than me[2]


[1]For the overly-curious -
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html and
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[2]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll
pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it
until then.



Sincerely,
   _
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/---| (/_  __   ___// _   //  _
 ) /|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/ /)
   (/
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
-5.75, -3.23
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon

________
From: joe
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is the
only thread I can find that you have responded to

It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
bother?

If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider it
strike 1. While Laura can be feisty, many people do think she is important.
I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been extremely helpful
both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in personal email
and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty. Feisty
doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how willing
people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
helpful occasionally.

So while I don't consider this strike 1 for you, I do hope that you
contribute in a positive meaningful manner at some point as Laura has done
on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.


Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and
parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little
boring as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a
great many of the "personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting
even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times. OT is in the
subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.


My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even if it
were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley. Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight... ;o)

If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo outfits so
people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side wagers
and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun
just the same.

  joe


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL 

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[ASB]

Which I was able to avoid, until you had to go an mention it directly... :)

-ASB


On 11/16/06, Laura A. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Boobier?

That brings up some seriously disturbing imagery...

Laura

 --
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Akomolafe, Deji
*Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:37 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


  >>>you should have used a smiley
There was a time, way back when so way back we may need a time machine
.. that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every
public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet
humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not
all interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
Carriers [1] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
Please don't equate the non-existence of smiley with malice.

In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflection or facial expression
was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have
gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have
inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.

>>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the
same.

IF you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then
you are even boobier than me[2]


[1]For the overly-curious - http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html and
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
[2]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and
I'll pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type
with it until then.


Sincerely,
   _
  (, /  |  /)   /) /)
/---| (/_  __   ___// _   //  _
 ) /|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/ /)
   (/
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
*-5.75, -3.23*
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon


--------------
*From:* joe
*Sent:* Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


 Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is
the only thread I can find that you have responded to

It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
bother?

If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider
it strike 1. While Laura can be feisty, many people do think she is
important. I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been
extremely helpful both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in
personal email and in person though in those forums as well she may get
fiesty. Feisty doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and
how willing people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can
be a complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
helpful occasionally.

So while I don't consider this strike 1 for you, I do hope that you
contribute in a positive meaningful manner at some point as Laura has done
on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.


Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and
parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little
boring as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a
great many of the "personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting
even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times. OT is in the
subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.


My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even if it
were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley. Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight... ;o)

If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo outfits so
people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side wagers
and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun
just the same.

  joe


 --
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Teodorescu
*Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [A

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura E. Hunter]

As we find that, once again, the answer to all of the world's problems
is "Blame Laura."  (Only make sure that you're blaming the -correct-
Laura, as we've just learned.) ;-)

- The Other Laura, wondering how on Earth she got dragged into this. :-)


On 11/15/06, Rich Milburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




No you don't understand… Laura Hunter really has a web site called
www.shutuplaura.com – did you click on it to see?  And he was trying to be
ironic, but had the wrong Laura.  I admit I didn't get it at first either, I
read that line and my jaw dropped a little, because I tend to agree somewhat
with Laura R and respect her intensity for the subject and thus thought that
was a bit harsh … but I forgot about that site and "the other Laura" J



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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Adrian Teodorescu]

That’s love J

Grow up people 

 





From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





 





I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to
you. I've been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from
you. So, when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation
I started wondering again.





 





Something
just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura" to an innocuous
statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I
didn't expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of
fact, I expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
wondering...





 





Well,
I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I thought
you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/ -
WARNING, adult language). I am very sorry.





 












Sincerely, 
  
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//  _ 
 ) /    |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/
/)  
  
(/   
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
-5.75, -3.23
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday?
-anon









 







From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$







That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.





 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





You know what I find amazing here?





 





That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when
it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use
"M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them.
It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar
"elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of
idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm
writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a
nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that
you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you
have been in numerous environments where people do things like these in
attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO,
injurious to your reputation.





 





So, Laura . shut up already.





 












Sincerely, 
  
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//  _ 
 ) /    |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
(_/
/)  
  
(/   
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
-5.75, -3.23
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday?
-anon









 







From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$







Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic
"you", not a specific person.





Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent
those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.





That said...





 





You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed
that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not
the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to
call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal
issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to
justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by
Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those
people? 





 





This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
"M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than
you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use
it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it
never occur to you simply to not use or defend 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Akomolafe, Deji]

I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to you. I've been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from you. So, when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation I started wondering again.
 
Something just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura" to an innocuous statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I didn't expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of fact, I expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept wondering...
 
Well, I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I thought you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/ - WARNING, adult language). I am very sorry.
 


Sincerely,    _      (, /  |  /)   /) /)       /---| (/_  __   ___// _   //  _  ) /    |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_(_/ /)     (/   Microsoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.akomolafe.com - we know IT-5.75, -3.23Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon


From: Laura A. RobinsonSent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, DejiSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


You know what I find amazing here?
 
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you have been in numerous environments where people do things like these in attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO, injurious to your reputation.
 
So, Laura . shut up already.
 


Sincerely,    _      (, /  |  /)   /) /)       /---| (/_  __   ___// _   //  _  ) /    |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_(_/ /)     (/   Microsoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.akomolafe.com - we know IT-5.75, -3.23Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon


From: Laura A. RobinsonSent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
 
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people? 
 
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find i

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA]

Laura,
 
I apologize if I offended you by using M$.  I was not 
the originator of the terms usage, nor did I condone it to be used 
offensively.  I was simply trying to show you that there are plenty of 
reasons people say things that are not intended to be offensive, but are just 
poking fun.  Here at work we poke fun at each other and its all in fun, not 
intended to offend or humiliate anyone.  Most of us in the Defense IT 
community have a thicker skin, so a word used to poke fun at us does not 
register on the scale at all because the world is full of it and letting one 
word affect you like that may not be the most efficient way of dealing with the 
majority of society.  As I said if your feelings were hurt that was not my 
intention, I hope you accept my sincere apologies.  "You" do at some point 
have to be the duck and let the water, no matter how cold, roll down your 
back.
 
Nate
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian 
TeodorescuSent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:53 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$


We 
love you Laura, and if you love us 0.1% than we do please stop this before 
you start argue about racial, political, Christian, etc opinions 

 
 


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 
2:32 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
 

Disclaimer 
#1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific 
person.

Disclaimer 
#2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. 
They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft 
employee.

That 
said...

 

You know 
what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people 
who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just 
the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because 
*you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic 
to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he 
hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you 
have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think 
it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that 
is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to 
some of those people? 

 

This 
isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. 
It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to 
her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to 
assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that 
incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or 
defend the use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm 
oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally 
posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that 
boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before 
stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of 
him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use 
of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's 
"funny".

 

Most 
Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, 
and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to 
charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is 
actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon 
referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and 
rudeness to those employees, IMO.

 

Laura

 

  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: 
  Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  Exactly, 
  is exactly right.  You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone 
  because you consider it unfunny.  You just dont laugh.  You can't 
  stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them.  Just not 
  you.
   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 
  2006 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  Exactly. 
  M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go 
  figure.
  
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
Nathaniel V CTR USAF N

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Adrian Teodorescu]

We love you Laura, and if you love us 0.1% than we do please
stop this before you start argue about racial, political, Christian, etc opinions


 

 





From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





 



Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic
"you", not a specific person.





Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent
those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.





That said...





 





You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed
that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not
the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to
call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal
issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to
justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by
Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those
people? 





 





This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
"M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than
you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use
it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it
never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term,
regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly
occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he
didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so
you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to
use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it
particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate,
slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".





 





Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public
seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time
and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like;
Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The
insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a
tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.





 





Laura





 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just dont
laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing
at them.  Just not you.

 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.





 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that,
not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and people here
laugh at it all the time.

 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

;oP

 



Rob 

Robert Rutherford 
QuoStar Solutions Limited


T:    +44 (0) 8456 440 331   
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject
line, you know. ;-)





 





Laura





 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [A

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Akomolafe, Deji]

You know what I find amazing here?
 
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you have been in numerous environments where people do things like these in attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO, injurious to your reputation.
 
So, Laura . shut up already.
 


Sincerely,    _      (, /  |  /)   /) /)       /---| (/_  __   ___// _   //  _  ) /    |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_(_/ /)     (/   Microsoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.akomolafe.com - we know IT-5.75, -3.23Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon


From: Laura A. RobinsonSent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
 
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people? 
 
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
 
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
 
Laura




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just dont laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them.  Just not you.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go figure.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Useless Air Farce would not be fo

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

hem contribute their 
own time and money to charitable organizations. I can give you 
statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of 
per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the 
company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness 
to those employees, IMO.
 
Laura


----------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just
dont laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere
is laughing at them.  Just not you.


*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Laura
A. Robinson
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.

----------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just
that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and
people here laugh at it all the time.

    ------------
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Robert Rutherford
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

;oP

 


Rob

Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited

T:+44 (0) 8456 440 331  
F:+44 (0) 8456 440 332  
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E:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
W:www.quostar.com  

     


        

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* 13 November 2006 12:16
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

 


There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you
know. ;-)

 


Laura

 



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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Robert Rutherford
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Can we kill this thread now, please?

 


Rob

Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited

T:+44 (0) 8456 440 331  
F:+44 (0) 8456 440 332  
M:+44 (0) 7974 249 494  
E:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
W:www.quostar.com  

 


        
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Laura A. Robinson
*Sent:* 13 November 2006 11:31
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

 


Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's
merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
expect its members to think that's funny.

 


I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
"borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
have been known to reference both myself. However, I
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I
think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it
on a Microsoft-centric list.

 


    Laura

         



--

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a 
specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of 
my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a 
Microsoft employee.
That 
said...
 
You 
know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* 
people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm 
just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because 
*you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic 
to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he 
hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you 
have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think 
it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that 
is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to 
some of those people? 
 
This 
isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. 
It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to 
her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to 
assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that 
incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or 
defend the use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm 
oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally 
posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that 
boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before 
stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of 
him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use 
of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's 
"funny".
 
Most 
Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, 
and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to 
charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is 
actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon 
referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and 
rudeness to those employees, IMO.
 
Laura


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
  Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own 
  humor preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just 
  dont laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is 
  laughing at them.  Just not you.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ 
  isn't. Go figure.
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 
7:46 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$

Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its 
just that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, 
and people here laugh at it all the time.
    

    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$


;oP
 

Rob 
Robert 
Rutherford 
QuoStar 
Solutions Limited 

T:    
+44 (0) 8456 440 331   F:    
+44 (0) 8456 440 332   M:    
+44 (0) 7974 249 494   E: 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 
   www.quostar.com   
  

    
    

    From: 
    [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: 13 November 
2006 12:16To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
 

There's a reason 
for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. 
;-)

 

Laura

   
  
  
      
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
  RutherfordSent: Monday, 
  November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  Can we kill this 
  thread now, please?
   
  

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Ben Schorr]

I know a lot of Softies and my take on it is that none of the Softies I
know would get mad about it, none of them especially like it either.
Sort of like if somebody you didn't know called you "Stevie" (unless you
like that I guess).  It seems a little childish but it mostly demeans
the person saying it, in my opinion.

I think most of the Softies just roll their eyes and ignore it.

My $.02, keep the change.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Egan
(Temp)
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

When I was working for Uncle Sam's Flying Air Circus, *that's* what I
called it - even though I was working in a hole in the ground at Minot
AFB, ND.  Anybody above the rank of E-5 didn't appreciate the name, but
that's how it was referred to amongst the troops...

Three years ago, when I was working for Space Command (as a civilian) at
Diego Garcia, we called it Spacey Command.  Same situation, different
locale.

It's all in your perspective.  Anybody that objects to "M$" is WAY too
sensitive, in my book.  But I was beaten into submission by the
Military, so I'm *definitely* warped.

Tempest in a Teapot, I say.

Steve Egan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:52 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

> M$ its funny or injurious ? 

Neither. Just unfunny and beaten to death.

But I did laugh out loud at US Chair Force when I went through this
thread earlier. That's pretty funny.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Monday 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

People are boring talking about the exchange problems and start
"educate" each other :) Keep going

Let's start again:

M$ its funny or injurious ?

Anyone else ?


A bored list reader


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone
know about it? :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier,
Guido
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system
Windows is running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on
the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
>

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bob Anderson]

Steve,
I am with you there. Back in the service I served on the USS
Forrestal which referred to as either the USS Zippo or USS ForestFire
due to ships track record with fires on board. I was something that we
did and never worried about it was a fact of life. 


Bob 
IT Guy
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Egan
(Temp)
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:08 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

When I was working for Uncle Sam's Flying Air Circus, *that's* what I
called it - even though I was working in a hole in the ground at Minot
AFB, ND.  Anybody above the rank of E-5 didn't appreciate the name, but
that's how it was referred to amongst the troops...

Three years ago, when I was working for Space Command (as a civilian) at
Diego Garcia, we called it Spacey Command.  Same situation, different
locale.

It's all in your perspective.  Anybody that objects to "M$" is WAY too
sensitive, in my book.  But I was beaten into submission by the
Military, so I'm *definitely* warped.

Tempest in a Teapot, I say.

Steve Egan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:52 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

> M$ its funny or injurious ? 

Neither. Just unfunny and beaten to death.

But I did laugh out loud at US Chair Force when I went through this
thread earlier. That's pretty funny.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Monday 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

People are boring talking about the exchange problems and start
"educate" each other :) Keep going

Let's start again:

M$ its funny or injurious ?

Anyone else ?


A bored list reader


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone
know about it? :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier,
Guido
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system
Windows is running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on
the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman&g

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Steve Egan \(Temp\)]

When I was working for Uncle Sam's Flying Air Circus, *that's* what I
called it - even though I was working in a hole in the ground at Minot
AFB, ND.  Anybody above the rank of E-5 didn't appreciate the name, but
that's how it was referred to amongst the troops...

Three years ago, when I was working for Space Command (as a civilian) at
Diego Garcia, we called it Spacey Command.  Same situation, different
locale.

It's all in your perspective.  Anybody that objects to "M$" is WAY too
sensitive, in my book.  But I was beaten into submission by the
Military, so I'm *definitely* warped.

Tempest in a Teapot, I say.

Steve Egan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cline
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:52 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

> M$ its funny or injurious ? 

Neither. Just unfunny and beaten to death.

But I did laugh out loud at US Chair Force when I went through this
thread earlier. That's pretty funny.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Monday 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

People are boring talking about the exchange problems and start
"educate" each other :) Keep going

Let's start again:

M$ its funny or injurious ?

Anyone else ?


A bored list reader


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone
know about it? :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier,
Guido
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system
Windows is running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on
the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Brian Cline]

> M$ its funny or injurious ? 

Neither. Just unfunny and beaten to death.

But I did laugh out loud at US Chair Force when I went through this thread 
earlier. That's pretty funny.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Teodorescu
Sent: Monday 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

People are boring talking about the exchange problems and start "educate" each 
other :) Keep going

Let's start again:

M$ its funny or injurious ?

Anyone else ?


A bored list reader


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone know 
about it? :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system Windows is 
running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan ActiveDir 
post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Adrian Teodorescu]

People are boring talking about the exchange problems and start
"educate" each other :)
Keep going

Let's start again:

M$ its funny or injurious ?

Anyone else ?


A bored list reader


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:46 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone
know about it? :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier,
Guido
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system
Windows is running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on
the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Rich Milburn]

It's my music drive.  What I'm trying to figure out is how did everyone
know about it? :)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system
Windows is running on  ;-)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William
Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on
the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA]

Exactly, is exactly right.  You cant impose your own 
humor preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny.  You just 
dont laugh.  You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is 
laughing at them.  Just not you.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. 
Go figure.

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
  Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its 
  just that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and 
  people here laugh at it all the time.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
  RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  
  ;oP
   
  
  Rob 
  Robert 
  Rutherford 
  QuoStar 
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  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: 13 November 
  2006 12:16To: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
   
  
  There's a reason for 
  the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. 
  ;-)
  
   
  
  Laura
  
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
RutherfordSent: Monday, 
November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
Can we kill this 
thread now, please?
 

Rob 
Robert 
Rutherford 
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Solutions Limited 

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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: 13 November 
2006 11:31To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
 

Clearly there are 
differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an 
inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I 
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to 
think that's funny. 

 

I don't take 
offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the 
Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I 
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the 
phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate 
for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 


 

Laura

   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR 
  USAF NASIC/SCNASent: 
  Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  You have to be 
  able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and 
  certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used 
  as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big 
  guys tiny.
   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 
  PMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're 
  missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the 
  question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting 
  offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone 
  deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't 
  hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit 
  someone else's plate -- no worries.'
  
   
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    
    
    To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 


Sent: 
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM

Subject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$

 

I highly 
doubt

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. 
Go figure.

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
  Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its 
  just that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and 
  people here laugh at it all the time.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
  RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  
  ;oP
   
  
  Rob 
  Robert 
  Rutherford 
  QuoStar 
  Solutions Limited 
  
  T:    
  +44 (0) 8456 440 331   F:    
  +44 (0) 8456 440 332   M:    
  +44 (0) 7974 249 494   E: 
     [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 
     www.quostar.com   
    
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: 13 November 
  2006 12:16To: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
   
  
  There's a reason for 
  the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. 
  ;-)
  
   
  
  Laura
  
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
RutherfordSent: Monday, 
November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
Can we kill this 
thread now, please?
 

Rob 
Robert 
Rutherford 
QuoStar 
Solutions Limited 

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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: 13 November 
2006 11:31To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
 

Clearly there are 
differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an 
inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I 
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to 
think that's funny. 

 

I don't take 
offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the 
Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I 
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the 
phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate 
for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 


 

Laura

   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR 
      USAF NASIC/SCNASent: 
  Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  You have to be 
  able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and 
  certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used 
  as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big 
  guys tiny.
   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 
  PMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're 
  missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the 
  question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting 
  offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone 
  deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't 
  hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit 
  someone else's plate -- no worries.'
  
   
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

    
        To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 


Sent: 
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM

Subject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$

 

I highly 
doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in 
cheek _expression_.

 

Let's 
not get _too_ PC please :/

 

neil

  -Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: 
  Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: A

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bart Van den Wyngaert]

Humz... This is going into a direction like who will define what's
funny or what isn't? Nobody can, it's personal! And there are a lot of
examples concerning the subject "humour", remind for example the issue
of a comic published in Denmark this year?

On 11/13/06, Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not funny.
 Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and people here laugh at it all
the time.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM

To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$




;oP




Rob

Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited

T:+44 (0) 8456 440 331
F:+44 (0) 8456 440 332
M:+44 (0) 7974 249 494
E:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
W:www.quostar.com





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$




There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)





Laura






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Can we kill this thread now, please?




Rob

Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited

T:+44 (0) 8456 440 331
F:+44 (0) 8456 440 332
M:+44 (0) 7974 249 494
E:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
W:www.quostar.com





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$




Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or
whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you
think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
expect its members to think that's funny.





I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about
"drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both
myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant
and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.





Laura






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek
expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big
guys tiny.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point.  It's
not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone
come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially when it's not
necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse,
'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'





- Original Message -


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org


Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM


Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as
tongue in cheek expression.





Let's not get _too_ PC please :/





neil


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to
Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?





Laura






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA]

Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just 
that, not funny.  Funnier is US Chair Force.  Thats funny, and people 
here laugh at it all the time.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$


;oP
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 12:16To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
 

There's a reason for 
the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. 
;-)

 

Laura

   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Robert 
  RutherfordSent: Monday, 
  November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  Can we kill this 
  thread now, please?
   
  
  Rob 
  Robert 
  Rutherford 
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  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: 13 November 
  2006 11:31To: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
   
  
  Clearly there are 
  differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an 
  inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I 
  don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to 
  think that's funny. 
  
   
  
  I don't take offense 
  when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the 
  Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I 
  remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the 
  phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for 
  people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 
  
  
   
  
  Laura
  
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR 
USAF NASIC/SCNASent: 
    Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
You have to be able 
to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly 
a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in 
its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys 
tiny.
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 
PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're 
missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the 
question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting 
offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone 
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit 
any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit someone 
else's plate -- no worries.'

 

- Original Message - 


  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
      
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
   
  
  I highly 
  doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in 
  cheek _expression_.
  
   
  
  Let's not 
  get _too_ PC please :/
  
   
  
  neil
  
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: 
Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

Just out of 
curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer 
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose 
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?

 

Laura

   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: 
  Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:1

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Robert Rutherford]

;oP

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



There's a reason for the "OT"
portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Can we kill this thread now, please?

 



Rob 

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Clearly there are differing opinions about
whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF
as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's
funny. 





 





I don't take offense when people refer to
Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid";
in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the
origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase
and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people
to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF
NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You have to be able to laugh at
yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation
like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its
reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys tiny.

 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006
10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the
point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why
does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially
when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it'
?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'





 





- Original Message ----- 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org






Sent: Friday, November
10, 2006 9:08 AM





Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$





 





I highly doubt
that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek
_expression_.





 





Let's not get
_too_ PC please :/





 





neil





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) vi

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. 
;-)
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert 
  RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  
  Can we kill this 
  thread now, please?
   
  
  Rob 
  Robert 
  Rutherford 
  QuoStar 
  Solutions Limited 
  
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  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: 13 November 
  2006 11:31To: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
   
  
  Clearly there are 
  differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an 
  inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I 
  don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to 
  think that's funny. 
  
   
  
  I don't take offense 
  when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the 
  Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I 
  remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the 
  phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for 
  people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 
  
  
   
  
  Laura
  
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR 
USAF NASIC/SCNASent: 
    Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
You have to be able 
to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly 
a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in 
its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys 
tiny.
 



From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 
PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're 
missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the 
question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting 
offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone 
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit 
any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit someone 
else's plate -- no worries.'

 

- Original Message - 


  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
      
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
   
  
  I highly 
  doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in 
  cheek _expression_.
  
   
  
  Let's not 
  get _too_ PC please :/
  
   
  
  neil
  
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: 
Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

Just out of 
curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer 
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose 
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?

 

Laura

   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: 
  Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] 
  Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?
  
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very 
  good info
  
   
  
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
  
   
  
  -- 
  Sincerely,J 
  
  On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Hello everyone.  After reading through a 
  lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job 
  easier if I knew how to script.  I have no experience in 
  scripting, but would like to know wha

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bart Van den Wyngaert]

I agree about the origin but I think that the usage/meaning of M$ has
changed the last years. I think that is evolution or something.
Today I see people using it all around, even those that only work on
Microsoft platforms for many years. I also agree on the "relativation"
approach. A lot of people laugh with misery and other things, why not
sometimes smile with little things like that.
OK in the past it was used in a totally different way, but I think
that we have evolved now... Let's move on! Personally I use MS as it
is commonly known and types really fast :-)

On 11/13/06, Laura A. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or
whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you
think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
expect its members to think that's funny.

I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about
"drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both
myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant
and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.

Laura


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek
expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big
guys tiny.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point.  It's
not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone
come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially when it's not
necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse,
'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as
tongue in cheek expression.

Let's not get _too_ PC please :/

neil
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to
Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?

Laura


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp


--
Sincerely,
J


On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I have
no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you
recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the
difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open to
computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance.
>


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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Jitendra Kalyankar]

First thing my reference to Microsoft as M$, never thought it would offend someone. I have many friends in Microsoft and even during our personal e-mails I do reference Microsoft as M$ and none ever complained to me and I forwarded Laura's e-mail to them but then again everyone is not the same...anyways I never meant it in a negative way...and e-mail being an impersonal medium all I can do is type...
and if I offended someone I do apologise especially to Laura and other Microsoft employees who are offened by this symbol! :-)
 
-- Sincerely,J 
On 11/13/06, Laura A. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny. 

 
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 

 
Laura



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ 


You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys tiny.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$ 

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'

 
- Original Message - 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
 
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek _expression_.
 
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
 
neil

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
Laura A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?

 
Laura



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_? 

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=""

 
-- Sincerely,J 
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Robert Rutherford]

Can we kill this thread now, please?

 



Rob 

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Clearly there are differing opinions about
whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF
as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's
funny. 





 





I don't take offense when people refer to
Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid";
in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the
origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase
and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people
to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF
NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You have to be able to laugh at
yourself.  M$ is a tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation
like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its
reference.  Thats why we nickname really big guys tiny.

 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006
10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the
point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why
does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially
when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it'
?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'





 





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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
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I highly doubt
that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek
_expression_.





 





Let's not get
_too_ PC please :/





 





neil





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
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wrote: 

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recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know
the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on
WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open
to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 













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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or 
whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? 
I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its 
members to think that's funny. 
 
I 
don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about 
"drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. 
However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use 
the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate 
for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list. 
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, 
  Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a 
  tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can 
  laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why 
  we nickname really big guys tiny.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert 
  DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  
  being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing 
  the point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is 
  why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  
  Especially when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the 
  dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget 
  it' ?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no 
  worries.'
   
  - Original Message - 
  
    From: 
    [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 
AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely 
as tongue in cheek _expression_.
 
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
 
neil

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  Just out of curiosity, what makes people 
  think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused 
  mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft 
  contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a 
  relatively positive view of Microsoft?
   
  Laura
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: 
[ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or 
_vbscript_?

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
 
-- Sincerely,J 
On 11/9/06, Stu 
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
Hello 
  everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this 
  mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to 
  script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to 
  know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on 
  scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH 
  and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate 
  that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH 
  and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also 
  open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  
  Thanks in advance. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA]

You have to be able to laugh at yourself.  M$ is a 
tounge in cheek _expression_ and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh 
at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference.  Thats why 
we nickname really big guys tiny.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert 
DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the 
point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why 
does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially 
when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner 
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' 
?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as 
  tongue in cheek _expression_.
   
  Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
   
  neil
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think 
it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing 
list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: 
  [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or 
  _vbscript_?
  
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
   
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
   
  -- Sincerely,J 
  On 11/9/06, Stu 
  Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Hello 
everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing 
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know 
what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if 
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing 
through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know 
where I should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training 
(CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 
  
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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Albert Duro]

being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the 
point.  It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why 
does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.  Especially 
when it's not necessary.  If someone deliberately spits on the dinner 
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' 
?  or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as 
  tongue in cheek _expression_.
   
  Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
   
  neil
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think 
it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing 
list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: 
  [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or 
  _vbscript_?
  
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
   
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
   
  -- Sincerely,J 
  On 11/9/06, Stu 
  Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Hello 
everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing 
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know 
what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if 
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing 
through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know 
where I should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

There's no anger or distress on my end (and I doubt there's any on 
anybody else's part, either). I'm simply pointing out that yes, there are 
Microsoft employees who don't find the slur amusing. No emotional investment, I 
assure you. :-)
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:24 
  PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  it's friday, can't we all just get along?
   
  -- 
Original message -- From: "Laura A. Robinson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

You may doubt it, but I don't. It's a moniker that implies (aside 
from childishness on the part of the person who uses it) that Microsoft is a 
company that is all about corporate greed. That's an unfair characterization 
and IMO, is insulting to the 75%+ of Microsoft employees who spend a lot of 
their own time and money in philanthropic pursuits. It's also dismissive of 
the actual motivation of most Microsoft employees who I know, which is to 
produce software that makes businesses and people more equipped to do what 
they need to do.
 
This is just my personal opinion and is in no way intended to 
represent the views of my employer, which, as it happens, is 
Microsoft.
 
So 
yes, there are Microsoft employees who find it 
offensive.
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 
  12:08 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
   
  I highly doubt that 
  any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek 
  _expression_.
   
  Let's not get _too_ 
  PC please :/
   
  neil
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 
PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people 
think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an 
MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, 
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may 
have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura

  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 
  10:16 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
  Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or 
  _vbscript_?
   
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
   
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
   
  -- Sincerely,J 
  On 11/9/06, Stu 
  Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Hello 
everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this 
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to 
know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on 
scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference between 
WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate 
that..  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on 
WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm 
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any 
exist.  Thanks in advance. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[kevingent]

it's friday, can't we all just get along?
 
-- Original message -- From: "Laura A. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

You may doubt it, but I don't. It's a moniker that implies (aside from childishness on the part of the person who uses it) that Microsoft is a company that is all about corporate greed. That's an unfair characterization and IMO, is insulting to the 75%+ of Microsoft employees who spend a lot of their own time and money in philanthropic pursuits. It's also dismissive of the actual motivation of most Microsoft employees who I know, which is to produce software that makes businesses and people more equipped to do what they need to do.
 
This is just my personal opinion and is in no way intended to represent the views of my employer, which, as it happens, is Microsoft.
 
So yes, there are Microsoft employees who find it offensive.
 
Laura



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:08 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
 
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek _expression_.
 
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
 
neil

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?
 
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
 
-- Sincerely,J 
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that..  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

That's the secret share we use for the man. It's where we keep the
collective intelligence that allows us to represent our single self as
multiple entities. 

Laura 
I am Dsylexia of Borg. Your a$$ will be laminated.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> William Lefkovics
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:36 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative 
> share on the M:
> drive?
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Laura E. Hunter
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
> 
> You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.
> 
> It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.
> 
> 
> (Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a 
> Stuart Kwan ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))
> 
> On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> > comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
> >
> >
> >
> > My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> > don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't 
> even work 
> > on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> > anything that MS compensates me for.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
> >
> > Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
> >
> > Does that have anything to do with MS employee 
> participation on this 
> > list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> > posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> > boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> > about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
> >
> > It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> > answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> > direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> > totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for 
> help, etc.
> > I don't get paid for any of this.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Eric
> >
> > Borg #145719302
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  a lie and 
> > "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee 
> that goes 
> > by Eric
> > Fleischman>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura A. Robinson]

You 
may doubt it, but I don't. It's a moniker that implies (aside from childishness 
on the part of the person who uses it) that Microsoft is a company that is all 
about corporate greed. That's an unfair characterization and IMO, is insulting 
to the 75%+ of Microsoft employees who spend a lot of their own time and money 
in philanthropic pursuits. It's also dismissive of the actual motivation of most 
Microsoft employees who I know, which is to produce software that makes 
businesses and people more equipped to do what they need to 
do.
 
This 
is just my personal opinion and is in no way intended to represent the views of 
my employer, which, as it happens, is Microsoft.
 
So 
yes, there are Microsoft employees who find it offensive.
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:08 
  PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: M$
  
  I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as 
  tongue in cheek _expression_.
   
  Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
   
  neil
  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think 
it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing 
list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: 
  [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or 
  _vbscript_?
  
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
   
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
   
  -- Sincerely,J 
  On 11/9/06, Stu 
  Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Hello 
everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing 
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know 
what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if 
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Grillenmeier, Guido]

Ah - now I see - that must be their back-door to access every system Windows is 
running on  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on the M:
drive?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions,
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[neil.ruston]

I 
highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in 
cheek _expression_.
 
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
 
neil

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Laura A. 
  RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: 
  M$
  Just 
  out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer 
  to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants 
  include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various 
  other people who may have a relatively positive view of 
  Microsoft?
   
  Laura
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's 
Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
 
-- Sincerely,J 
On 11/9/06, Stu 
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Hello 
  everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing 
  list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  
  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do 
  you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't 
  really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could 
  explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[William Lefkovics]

What does all this have to do with the hidden administrative share on the M:
drive?
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura E. Hunter
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd 
> comment on one thing, in the name of full disclosure..
>
>
>
> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I 
> don't get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work 
> on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from 
> anything that MS compensates me for.
>
>
>
> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>
> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>
> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this 
> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall 
> posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same 
> boat. A couple of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>
>
>
> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and 
> about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>
> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, 
> answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle 
> direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are 
> totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc. 
> I don't get paid for any of this.
>
>
>
> ~Eric
>
> Borg #145719302
>
>
>
>
>
>  "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes 
> by Eric
> Fleischman>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Laura E. Hunter]

You're not a fake employee, I've seen you.  :-)  BrettSh, too.

It's that Stuart Kwan guy whose existence I'm doubting.


(Come on, was that enough to inspire the rarity that is a Stuart Kwan
ActiveDir post?  Please? PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?  ;-))

On 11/9/06, Eric Fleischman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd comment on
one thing, in the name of full disclosure….



My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I don't get
compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work on AD anymore, so
this is like 2 degrees of separation away from anything that MS compensates
me for.



So, is MS out to make $? Sure.

Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.

Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this list? I
don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall posting here as I
type this mail) on this list fall in to the same boat. A couple of them
don't work on AD anymore either.



Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and about
AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.

It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, answer
internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle direct emails
from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are totally out of the
blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc. I don't get paid for any
of this.



~Eric

Borg #145719302















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Vinnie Cardona
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:30 AM

To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





I believe we all know that your statement is correct "like any other big
company they are out to make $", what I inferred from what she was implying
(did I get that right?J) is that although we all know that Microsoft is not
perfect (…anyone want to cast the first stone?)…a grey-toned comment made on
this mailing list is probably not appreciated…especially when this mailing
list is used to help others.  I'm sure there are a myriad of other forums to
take your personal opinions to.





--vC





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:41 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



I have a mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I'm
certified in their products. But that doesn't make them inexpensive and like
any other big company they are out to make $. J





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$




Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to
Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?





Laura






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp






--
Sincerely,
J




On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I have
no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you
recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the
difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open to
computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance.







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---
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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

I would argue that there are comparatively few other companies around 
that have to deal with the Department of Justice and EU quite as much or 
to quite the same extent on a annual basis.



Merry, Joel (US - Philadelphia) wrote:


I did -- how does that differ from any sort of earth-shattering, 
company-crushing problem they, and every other corporation, deal with 
on a yearly basis? :) If you give too much credence to that sort of 
thing, Chicken Little, you may as well just pack it in and move to the 
mountains ... to summarize: same @#$%, different year. :)


 




*From:* Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

*Sent:* Thu 11/9/2006 4:18 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Keep reading down to the risk factors..  :-)

Merry, Joel (US - Philadelphia) wrote:
> Hey Susan, not quite sure what report you were looking at, but their
> FY06 10-K shows a net income of $12.6B with EPS of $1.21 and cash
> dividends of $0.35/common share ... it also shows a positive cash flow
> of $6.7B ... I'm no CPA, but I'm pretty sure that means they won't be
> filing for bankruptcy protection anytime soon. :) And speaking of
> AP/AR, as of that filing, they had $2.9B outstanding in AP and $2.0B
> in AR for a net difference of $900M ... once again, I would hardly say
> it's time to raise the red flag... :)
> 
>
> 
> 

> *From:* Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Thu 11/9/2006 3:10 PM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> (okay how embarrassing is it when I meant to say "Accounts payables"
> rather than "Accounts receivable")
>
> Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
> > Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't realize that
> > it offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if it's meant to imply
> > that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go grab the 10K... and stop
> > looking at the cash account only, offset that with the accounts
> > receivable and then go read the "Risk" analysis section of that annual
> > report.  It's an interesting read.
> >
> > I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have billions in the
> > bank" comments.  (is that before the liabilities or after?)
> >
> > BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e now?  :-)
> >
> > Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> >> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to
> >> refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose
> >> participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,
> >> Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
> >> positive view of Microsoft?
> >>
> >> Laura
> >>
> >>   
> >>

> 
> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
> >> *Jitendra Kalyankar
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
> >> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
> >> VBScript?
> >>
> >> This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
> >>
> >>
> 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp

> >>
> >>   
> >> -- Sincerely,

> >> J
> >>
> >>  On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on
> >> this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
> >> knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but
> >> would like to know what books do you recommend as a 
beginner's

> >> book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference
> >> between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain 
that, I'd
> >> appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw 
several
> >> books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should 
focus

> >> on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of
> >> any exist.  Thanks in advance.
> >>

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Merry, Joel \(US - Philadelphia\)]

Title: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$






I did -- how does that differ 
from any sort of earth-shattering, company-crushing problem they, and every 
other corporation, deal with on a yearly basis? :) If you give too much credence 
to that sort of thing, Chicken Little, you may as well just pack it in and move 
to the mountains ... to summarize: same @#$%, different year. :)
 


From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks 
[MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thu 11/9/2006 4:18 
PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] 
OT: M$

Keep reading down to the risk factors..  
:-)Merry, Joel (US - Philadelphia) wrote:> Hey Susan, not quite 
sure what report you were looking at, but their> FY06 10-K shows a net 
income of $12.6B with EPS of $1.21 and cash> dividends of $0.35/common 
share ... it also shows a positive cash flow> of $6.7B ... I'm no CPA, 
but I'm pretty sure that means they won't be> filing for bankruptcy 
protection anytime soon. :) And speaking of> AP/AR, as of that filing, 
they had $2.9B outstanding in AP and $2.0B> in AR for a net difference of 
$900M ... once again, I would hardly say> it's time to raise the red 
flag... :)> >> > 
> 
*From:* Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> 
*Sent:* Thu 11/9/2006 3:10 PM> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> 
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$>> (okay how embarrassing is it 
when I meant to say "Accounts payables"> rather than "Accounts 
receivable")>> Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
wrote:> > Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't 
realize that> > it offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if 
it's meant to imply> > that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go 
grab the 10K... and stop> > looking at the cash account only, offset 
that with the accounts> > receivable and then go read the "Risk" 
analysis section of that annual> > report.  It's an interesting 
read.> >> > I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they 
have billions in the> > bank" comments.  (is that before the 
liabilities or after?)> >> > BTW...After the Novell deal can 
we start using $u$e now?  :-)> >> > Laura A. Robinson 
wrote:> >> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's 
appropriate to> >> refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused 
mailing list whose> >> participants include Microsoft employees, 
Microsoft contractors,> >> Microsoft MVPs and various other people 
who may have a relatively> >> positive view of Microsoft?> 
>>> >> Laura> >>> 
>>   > >>> 
> 
>> *From:* 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
*On Behalf Of> >> *Jitendra 
Kalyankar> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 
09, 2006 10:16 AM> >> *To:* 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> >> *Subject:* 
Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or> 
>> _vbscript_?> >>> 
>> This is the link to M$ to start with...very 
good info> 
>>> 
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">> 
>>> >>   > 
>> -- Sincerely,> 
>> J> >>> 
>>  On 11/9/06, *Stu 
Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:> >>> 
>> Hello everyone.  
After reading through a lot of the posts on> 
>> this mailing list, I 
realize I could make my job easier if I> 
>> knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but> 
>> would like to know what 
books do you recommend as a beginner's> 
>> book on 
scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference> 
>> between WSH and 
_vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd> 
>> appreciate that.  
After browsing through Amazon, I saw several> 
>> books on WSH and 
_vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus> 
>> on.  I'm also open 
to computer based training (CBT) videos of> 
>> any exist.  Thanks 
in advance.> >>> >>> >>> 
>>> --> Letting your vendors set your risk analysis 
these days?> http://www.threatcode.com>> 
If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ...> I 
will hunt you down...> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs>> 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Kevin Brunson]

I would think that M$ would really fit Morgan Stanley, the financial
services company, very well.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B.
Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:17 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

I use it fairly commonly.

Only several of the lists I frequent, if you use MS, then the
Morgan-Stanley people get all up in arms. And typing MSFT is just too
long. :-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Free, Bob
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:25 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

I never use that moniker but how about a positive spin...people use it
because the co-founders are always on the short list of top U.S.
philanthropists ? :-)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:14 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants
include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and
various other people who may have a relatively positive view of
Microsoft?
 
Laura




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnancho
r/html/scriptinga.asp
 

-- 
Sincerely,
J

 
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the
posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like
to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through
Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I
should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[joe]

;o)
 
Always the shit kicker Laura. :)
 
Me... M$ doesn't bother me and I do have a relatively 
positive view on MSFT (Even Exchange on days that I don't have to deal with 
it). Not because they are involved with my paycheck in some fashion, if I 
weren't working on their stuff I would be working on someone else's stuff and 
still making money. Maybe more, maybe less, can't really tell. If I had to 
guess, I would probably be paid more and I would be a high end UNIX or 
application guy and not having to listen to admins tell me how great they are or 
how amazing they were in their last job while screwing things up in their 
current job. Then again, I could be pearl diving too, I am pretty good at it, I 
made a "living" doing it for years and always have it to fall back on. Hopefully 
the next time I do that though it will be in an eatery that I own. 
:o)
 
What I *do think* about this though is that it makes the 
person who uses it look kind of bad or possibly less intelligent. I try not to 
look at them bad but I seem to inadvertently toss them into a category I reserve 
for script kiddies and two bit hackers and OS Bigots (of any religion) and 
others who consider themselves "L33T" or otherwise too cool for school. Folks 
that use alternate spelling choices for words are doing their darndest to get me 
to ignore them because it is a PITA to read something that has all the 
purposeful misspellings in it. There is too much well written stuff out there to 
waste your time trying to decode something written so poorly. 

 
I think some people do it simply because MSFT is on top and 
a lot of less skilled and/or less capable people like to make themselves look 
better or important by trying to knock down or otherwise ridicule those who 
have a higher perceived standing than themselves. I think overall Microsoft has 
done more for commoditizing the PC industry and standardizing things in it than 
any other company or group in the world. Without them, I think we would still be 
in a world of very costly business machines and almost nothing reasonable 
available for the home. While they may not do things the best, they actually get 
things out there.
 
Oh yeah, I think as a whole, most MSFT employees are 
severely underpaid for what they do for Microsoft and the community as a whole. 
To even it out though, like in any company, there are people in (or were in) 
MSFT that are/were lucky to even have a job. While I tend to hear a lot of nasty 
things about MSFT as a company, hearing nasty things about individual employees 
is not so common. I don't think the company is evil. Much of the time I think 
that them trying to be purposely evil would be a stretch and tough for their 
overall method of management and internal communication and something they would 
have to spend considerable time trying to work at sort of like security... 
;o)  I think of MSFT mostly as an oversized puppy that tends to accidently 
step on toes and accidently bite too hard when playing. 
 
So anyway, not that I am looking for 
an apology or think that the guy owes anyone one. I would just give a 
recommendation to avoid language/spelling like that even if others are 
doing it as it is certain to get at least some people to start ignoring them at 
a minimum. 
 
 
   joe
 

--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm 
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. 
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:14 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: 
M$

Just 
out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer 
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants 
include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various 
other people who may have a relatively positive view of 
Microsoft?
 
Laura

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra 
  KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: 
  ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's 
  Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?
  
  This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
   
  http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">
   
  -- Sincerely,J 
  On 11/9/06, Stu 
  Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Hello 
everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing 
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I 
have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you 
recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know 
the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, 
I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several 
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm 
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks 
in advance. 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Michael B. Smith]

I use it fairly commonly.

Only several of the lists I frequent, if you use MS, then the
Morgan-Stanley people get all up in arms. And typing MSFT is just too
long. :-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Free, Bob
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:25 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

I never use that moniker but how about a positive spin...people use it
because the co-founders are always on the short list of top U.S.
philanthropists ? :-)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:14 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants
include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and
various other people who may have a relatively positive view of
Microsoft?
 
Laura




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnancho
r/html/scriptinga.asp
 

-- 
Sincerely,
J

 
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the
posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like
to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through
Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I
should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos
of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 




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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Rich Milburn]

Nice...

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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

You forgot. 
He has time to consider the phrase "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World!".
But that is another verse I bettya



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>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Brunson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:44 PM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> Wow, "the man" is busier than I thought.  Who would know he would have
>> time to make trillions on software, crush all competition, plot the
>> destruction of Europe (stupid anti-trust), and still answer email.  There
>> must be more than one "the man". :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:11 PM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd comment
>> on one thing, in the name of full disclosure
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I don't
>> get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work on AD
>> anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from anything that
>> MS compensates me for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>> 
>> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>> 
>> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this
>> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall posting
>> here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same boat. A couple
>> of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and about
>> AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>> 
>> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, answer
>> internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle direct emails
>> from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are totally out of the
>> blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc. I don't get paid for
>> any of this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~Eric
>> 
>> Borg #145719302
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes by
>> Eric Fleischman>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinnie Cardona
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:30 AM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I believe we all know that your statement is correct "like any other big
>> company they are out to make $", what I inferred from what she was
>> implying (did I get that right?:-)) is that although we all know that
>> Microsoft is not perfect (...anyone want to cast the first stone?)...a
grey-
>> toned comment made on this mailing list is probably not
>> appreciated...especially when this mailing list is used to help others.
>> I'm sure there are a myriad of other forums to take your personal
>> opinions to.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --vC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:41 AM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I'm
>> certified in their products. But that doesn't make them inexpensive and
>> like any other big company they are out to make $. :-)
>> 
&g

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Darren Mar-Elia]

I didn't honestly see anything in the risk factors of the 10Q that any other
software business doesn't declare. I read it as basically saying that
Microsoft has competition from various sources that could threaten its
business model. That's pretty normal. I think its fair to say, based on the
big dividend disbursement they did, I want to say last year, that they have
plenty of spare cash. I can see it as being a big dilemma, actually.
Typically software companies use their cash, among other things, to do
acquisitions. But MS' precarious legal position around the world, I can
imagine, makes it really hard to do acquisitions that won't receive endless
scrutiny. Not that I'm feeling that sorry for them, but, from the
perspective of trying to run and grow the business, I imagine that would
frustrate more than one person in Redmond.

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:19 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

Keep reading down to the risk factors..  :-)

Merry, Joel (US - Philadelphia) wrote:
> Hey Susan, not quite sure what report you were looking at, but their
> FY06 10-K shows a net income of $12.6B with EPS of $1.21 and cash 
> dividends of $0.35/common share ... it also shows a positive cash flow 
> of $6.7B ... I'm no CPA, but I'm pretty sure that means they won't be 
> filing for bankruptcy protection anytime soon. :) And speaking of 
> AP/AR, as of that filing, they had $2.9B outstanding in AP and $2.0B 
> in AR for a net difference of $900M ... once again, I would hardly say 
> it's time to raise the red flag... :)
>  
>
>  
> --
> --
> *From:* Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Thu 11/9/2006 3:10 PM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> (okay how embarrassing is it when I meant to say "Accounts payables"
> rather than "Accounts receivable")
>
> Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
> > Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't realize 
> > that it offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if it's meant to 
> > imply that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go grab the 10K... 
> > and stop looking at the cash account only, offset that with the 
> > accounts receivable and then go read the "Risk" analysis section of 
> > that annual report.  It's an interesting read.
> >
> > I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have billions in the 
> > bank" comments.  (is that before the liabilities or after?)
> >
> > BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e now?  :-)
> >
> > Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> >> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to 
> >> refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose 
> >> participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
> >> Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
> >> positive view of Microsoft?
> >> 
> >> Laura
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> --
> --
> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
> >> *Jitendra Kalyankar
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
> >> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
> >> VBScript?
> >>
> >> This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
> >> 
> >> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanc
> hor/html/scriptinga.asp
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Sincerely,
> >> J
> >>
> >>  On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on
> >> this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
> >> knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but
> >> would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's
> >> book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference
> >> between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
> >&g

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Rich Milburn]

> and like
any other big company they are out to make $.

 

Every for-profit company is out there to make money, not just
big ones.  Every one of us who is working for a for-profit company is working
for a company who’s primary reason for existence is to make money.  And every
one of us who is trading our hours for dollars is doing it for the money regardless
of whether you love it anyway or not.  (if this was a yacht sailing list or a
mountaineering list that might not be the case, but being an AD list, I’d
pretty confident my statement is true J).  Just because Microsoft has made a LOT
of money doesn’t make them evil, it makes them successful –
something we all strive to be.  They’ve also made a significant positive impact
on the world, and provide a livelihood for probably half if not more of the
members of this list.

 

I think M$ stems
from an anti-capitalist, anti-establishment mentality, which is nice for
idealists with trust funds but not so nice for people living in such
environments (ask someone who lived in an Eastern Block country in the soviet era
who wasn’t a big party member).

 

Good point to bring
up, Laura, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it initially…

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:41 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I have a
mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I’m certified
in their products. But that doesn’t make them inexpensive and like any
other big company they are out to make $. J

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's
Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in
advance. 













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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Alan Monaghan]

You forgot. 
He has time to consider the phrase "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World!".
But that is another verse I bettya



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>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Brunson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:44 PM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> Wow, "the man" is busier than I thought.  Who would know he would have
>> time to make trillions on software, crush all competition, plot the
>> destruction of Europe (stupid anti-trust), and still answer email.  There
>> must be more than one "the man". :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:11 PM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not that I really care if people say M$ or not, but I thought I'd comment
>> on one thing, in the name of full disclosure
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My participation on this list has __nothing__ to do with money. I don't
>> get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I don't even work on AD
>> anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation away from anything that
>> MS compensates me for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, is MS out to make $? Sure.
>> 
>> Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.
>> 
>> Does that have anything to do with MS employee participation on this
>> list? I don't think so. Others (at least those that I can recall posting
>> here as I type this mail) on this list fall in to the same boat. A couple
>> of them don't work on AD anymore either.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Why do I hang out here? I do it because I care about customers and about
>> AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.
>> 
>> It's also why I still blog about AD, answer newsgroup questions, answer
>> internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other PGs, etc.), handle direct emails
>> from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some are totally out of the
>> blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc. I don't get paid for
>> any of this.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~Eric
>> 
>> Borg #145719302
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > "the man" actually wrote it on behalf of the fake employee that goes by
>> Eric Fleischman>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinnie Cardona
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:30 AM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I believe we all know that your statement is correct "like any other big
>> company they are out to make $", what I inferred from what she was
>> implying (did I get that right?:-)) is that although we all know that
>> Microsoft is not perfect (...anyone want to cast the first stone?)...a
grey-
>> toned comment made on this mailing list is probably not
>> appreciated...especially when this mailing list is used to help others.
>> I'm sure there are a myriad of other forums to take your personal
>> opinions to.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --vC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:41 AM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I'm
>> certified in their products. But that doesn't make them inexpensive and
>> like any other big company they are out to make $. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
>> Sent: Th

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

Keep reading down to the risk factors..  :-)

Merry, Joel (US - Philadelphia) wrote:
Hey Susan, not quite sure what report you were looking at, but their 
FY06 10-K shows a net income of $12.6B with EPS of $1.21 and cash 
dividends of $0.35/common share ... it also shows a positive cash flow 
of $6.7B ... I'm no CPA, but I'm pretty sure that means they won't be 
filing for bankruptcy protection anytime soon. :) And speaking of 
AP/AR, as of that filing, they had $2.9B outstanding in AP and $2.0B 
in AR for a net difference of $900M ... once again, I would hardly say 
it's time to raise the red flag... :)
 

 

*From:* Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

*Sent:* Thu 11/9/2006 3:10 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

(okay how embarrassing is it when I meant to say "Accounts payables"
rather than "Accounts receivable")

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
> Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't realize that
> it offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if it's meant to imply
> that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go grab the 10K... and stop
> looking at the cash account only, offset that with the accounts
> receivable and then go read the "Risk" analysis section of that annual
> report.  It's an interesting read.
>
> I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have billions in the
> bank" comments.  (is that before the liabilities or after?)
>
> BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e now?  :-)
>
> Laura A. Robinson wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to
>> refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose
>> participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,
>> Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
>> positive view of Microsoft?
>> 
>> Laura

>>
>>
>> 


>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
>> *Jitendra Kalyankar
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
>> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
>> VBScript?
>>
>> This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
>> 
>> 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp

>>
>>
>> -- Sincerely,

>> J
>>
>>  On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on
>> this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
>> knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but
>> would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's
>> book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference
>> between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
>> appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
>> books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
>> on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of
>> any exist.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Kevin Brunson]

Wow, “the man” is busier than
I thought.  Who would know he would have time to make trillions on software,
crush all competition, plot the destruction of Europe (stupid anti-trust), and still
answer email.  There must be more than one “the man”. J

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
2:11 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

Not that I really care if people say M$ or
not, but I thought I’d comment on one thing, in the name of full
disclosure….

 

My participation on this list has
__nothing__ to do with money. I don’t get compensated on any level for
this. Heck, I don’t even work on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of
separation away from anything that MS compensates me for.

 

So, is MS out to make $? Sure.

Is AD part of that money-making strategy?
Sure.

Does that have anything to do with MS
employee participation on this list? I don’t think so. Others (at least
those that I can recall posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in
to the same boat. A couple of them don’t work on AD anymore either.

 

Why do I hang out here? I do it because I
care about customers and about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.

It’s also why I still blog about AD,
answer newsgroup questions, answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other
PGs, etc.), handle direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know,
some are totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc.
I don’t get paid for any of this.

 

~Eric

Borg #145719302

 

 



 

 

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinnie Cardona
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:30 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I believe we
all know that your statement is correct “like
any other big company they are out to make $”, what I inferred from what she was implying (did
I get that right?J)
is that although we all know that Microsoft is not perfect (…anyone want to cast the first stone?)…a
grey-toned comment made on this mailing list is probably not
appreciated…especially when this mailing list is used to help
others.  I’m sure there are a myriad of other forums to take your
personal opinions to.   

 

 

--vC

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:41 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I have a
mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I’m certified
in their products. But that doesn’t make them inexpensive and like any
other big company they are out to make $. J

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in
advance. 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Merry, Joel \(US - Philadelphia\)]

Title: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$





Hey Susan, not quite sure 
what report you were looking at, but their FY06 10-K shows a net income of 
$12.6B with EPS of $1.21 and cash dividends of $0.35/common share ... it also 
shows a positive cash flow of $6.7B ... I'm no CPA, but I'm pretty sure that 
means they won't be filing for bankruptcy protection anytime soon. :) And 
speaking of AP/AR, as of that filing, they had $2.9B outstanding in AP and $2.0B 
in AR for a net difference of $900M ... once again, I would hardly say it's time 
to raise the red flag... :)
 
 



From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz 
- SBS Rocks [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thu 11/9/2006 
3:10 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: 
[ActiveDir] OT: M$

(okay how embarrassing is it when I meant to say "Accounts 
payables"rather than "Accounts receivable")Susan Bradley, CPA aka 
Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:> Some MVPs use that as well and when asked 
say they don't realize that> it offends and just use it as slang.  
But yeah if it's meant to imply> that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. 
folks go grab the 10K... and stop> looking at the cash account only, 
offset that with the accounts> receivable and then go read the "Risk" 
analysis section of that annual> report.  It's an interesting 
read.>> I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have 
billions in the> bank" comments.  (is that before the liabilities or 
after?)>> BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e 
now?  :-)>> Laura A. Robinson wrote:>> Just out of 
curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to>> refer to 
Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose>> participants 
include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,>> Microsoft MVPs 
and various other people who may have a relatively>> positive view of 
Microsoft?>> >> 
Laura>>>>>> 
>> 
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
*On Behalf Of>> *Jitendra 
Kalyankar>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 
2006 10:16 AM>> *To:* 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> *Subject:* Re: 
[ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH 
or>> 
_vbscript_?>>>> This is the link to M$ 
to start with...very good 
info>> >> 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">>>>>>> 
-- Sincerely,>> 
J>>>>  
On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:>>>> 
Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts 
on>> this mailing 
list, I realize I could make my job easier if 
I>> knew how to 
script.  I have no experience in scripting, 
but>> would like to 
know what books do you recommend as a 
beginner's>> book on 
scripting?  Also, I don't really know the 
difference>> between 
WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, 
I'd>> appreciate 
that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw 
several>> books on WSH 
and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should 
focus>> on.  I'm 
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos 
of>> any exist.  
Thanks in 
advance.>>>>>>>--Letting your 
vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.comIf you are 
a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you 
down...http://blogs.technet.com/sbsList 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Free, Bob]

I never use that moniker but how about a positive spin...people use it
because the co-founders are always on the short list of top U.S.
philanthropists ? :-)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:14 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$


Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer
to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants
include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and
various other people who may have a relatively positive view of
Microsoft?
 
Laura




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?


This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnancho
r/html/scriptinga.asp
 

-- 
Sincerely,
J

 
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the
posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like
to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through
Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I
should focus on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos
of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 




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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Eric Fleischman]

Not that I really care if people say M$ or
not, but I thought I’d comment on one thing, in the name of full
disclosure….

 

My participation on this list has __nothing__
to do with money. I don’t get compensated on any level for this. Heck, I
don’t even work on AD anymore, so this is like 2 degrees of separation
away from anything that MS compensates me for.

 

So, is MS out to make $? Sure.

Is AD part of that money-making strategy? Sure.

Does that have anything to do with MS
employee participation on this list? I don’t think so. Others (at least
those that I can recall posting here as I type this mail) on this list fall in
to the same boat. A couple of them don’t work on AD anymore either.

 

Why do I hang out here? I do it because I
care about customers and about AD/ADAM. It has nothing to do with my salary.

It’s also why I still blog about AD,
answer newsgroup questions, answer internal questions (DLs, PSS, MCS, other
PGs, etc.), handle direct emails from a myriad of non-MS people (some I know, some
are totally out of the blue), fix code for people that ask for help, etc. I don’t
get paid for any of this.

 

~Eric

Borg #145719302

 

 



 

 

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vinnie Cardona
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:30 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I believe we
all know that your statement is correct “like
any other big company they are out to make $”, what I inferred from what she was implying (did
I get that right?J)
is that although we all know that Microsoft is not perfect (…anyone want to cast the first stone?)…a
grey-toned comment made on this mailing list is probably not
appreciated…especially when this mailing list is used to help
others.  I’m sure there are a myriad of other forums to take your
personal opinions to.   

 

 

--vC

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:41 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I have a
mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I’m certified
in their products. But that doesn’t make them inexpensive and like any
other big company they are out to make $. J

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script.  I
have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you
recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know
the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on
WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm also open
to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in advance. 

Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

(okay how embarrassing is it when I meant to say "Accounts payables" 
rather than "Accounts receivable")


Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't realize that 
it offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if it's meant to imply 
that Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go grab the 10K... and stop 
looking at the cash account only, offset that with the accounts 
receivable and then go read the "Risk" analysis section of that annual 
report.  It's an interesting read.


I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have billions in the 
bank" comments.  (is that before the liabilities or after?)


BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e now?  :-)

Laura A. Robinson wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to 
refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose 
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura





*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Jitendra Kalyankar
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp 


-- Sincerely,

J

 On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on
this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but
would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's
book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference
between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of
any exist.  Thanks in advance.







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Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

Some MVPs use that as well and when asked say they don't realize that it 
offends and just use it as slang.  But yeah if it's meant to imply that 
Microsoft is rolling in dough.. folks go grab the 10K... and stop 
looking at the cash account only, offset that with the accounts 
receivable and then go read the "Risk" analysis section of that annual 
report.  It's an interesting read.


I honestly get more tired of the "oh but they have billions in the bank" 
comments.  (is that before the liabilities or after?)


BTW...After the Novell deal can we start using $u$e now?  :-)

Laura A. Robinson wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to 
refer to Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose 
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, 
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively 
positive view of Microsoft?
 
Laura



*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
*Jitendra Kalyankar
*Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?

This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
 

-- 
Sincerely,

J

 
On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> wrote:

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on
this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I
knew how to script.  I have no experience in scripting, but
would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's
book on scripting?  Also, I don't really know the difference
between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
on.  I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of
any exist.  Thanks in advance.





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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Vinnie Cardona]

I believe we
all know that your statement is correct “like
any other big company they are out to make $”, what I inferred from what she was implying (did
I get that right?J)
is that although we all know that Microsoft is not perfect (…anyone want to cast the first stone?)…a
grey-toned comment made on this mailing list is probably not appreciated…especially
when this mailing list is used to help others.  I’m sure there are a
myriad of other forums to take your personal opinions to.   

 

 

--vC

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Condra, Jerry W Mr HP
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:41 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 

I have a
mostly positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I’m certified
in their products. But that doesn’t make them inexpensive and like any
other big company they are out to make $. J

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in
advance. 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$

[Condra, Jerry W Mr HP]

I have a mostly
positive view of M$ and like their products. Heck, I’m certified in their
products. But that doesn’t make them inexpensive and like any other big
company they are out to make $. J

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$



 



Just out of curiosity, what makes
people think it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positive view of Microsoft?





 





Laura





 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or _vbscript_?



This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info





 





http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url="">





 






-- 
Sincerely,
J

 





On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

Hello everyone.  After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script.  I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?  Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and _vbscript_, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that.  After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and _vbscript_, but don't know where I should focus on.  I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist.  Thanks in
advance.