RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-17 Thread Dean Wells
I'm not in a position to properly prove-out the existence and/or reason for
the child domain ACEs.  However, the Incoming Forest Trust Builders group
uses a well-known SID of S-1-5-32-557, this kind of SID lacks domain
affiliation, i.e. it doesn't technically belong to any particular domain
within the forest and is subsequently deemed as "mine" by any DC attempting
to resolve it regardless of the domain they're in.  

Note that the same is true to say of Administrators, for example - review
the ACL on the NC head of the ForestDNSzones partition when focused on a
DC/DNS server in the forest root domain, re-read the same ACL when focused
on a DC in a peer-root or child-domain ... note the claimed affiliation of
the Administrators ACE.

--
Dean Wells
MSEtechnology
t Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Han Valk
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 5:25 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust
> Builders
> 
> First forgive my ignorance, I didn't that the group should only exist
> in the forest root domain. But how is it possible that
> CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders has permissions on the child
> domain in ADUC when there shouldn't be a CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming Forest
> Trust Builders?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matheesha
> > Weerasinghe
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 19:37
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust
> > Builders
> >
> > Its only in the forest domain IIRC ;-)
> >
> > M@
> >
> >
> > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > No??? Child domain.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > > Matheesha Weerasinghe
> > > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 17:38
> > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
> > > Trust Builders
> > >
> > > By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?
> > >
> > > M@
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >   Yep logged in as Domain Admin.
> >     >
> >     >   > -----Original Message-
> > >   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > >   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of
> > >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
> > >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00
> > >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
> > BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
> > >   > Trust Builders
> > >   >
> > >   > I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on
> > the group itself
> > >   > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it.
> > Do you see it as
> > >   > the Administrator account of the domain?
> > >   >
> > >   > M@
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   >   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN
> > >   > container. Strange thing is
> >     >   >   that if I look at the security of the
> > domain object in
> > >   > ADUC Incoming Forest
> > >   >   Trust Builders is there.
> > >   >
> > >   >   > -Original Message-
> > >   >   > From:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >   >   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >   >  > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] On Behalf Of
> > >   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
> > >   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
> > >   >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@

Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-17 Thread Paul Williams
I'm not in a position to test whether this is a forest-wide or domain-wide 
principal.


However, when you can't find something you think should be there, you should 
search the GC.  I've seen numerous people have issues with a user or group 
"not existing" only to find it's in a parent domain.


Use ADFIND or LDP to search the GC.

Also, what are the actual permissions you are seeing and where?


--Paul

- Original Message - 
From: "Han Valk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders


First forgive my ignorance, I didn't that the group should only exist in 
the
forest root domain. But how is it possible that CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming 
Forest

Trust Builders has permissions on the child domain in ADUC when there
shouldn't be a CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Matheesha Weerasinghe
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 19:37
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
Trust Builders

Its only in the forest domain IIRC ;-)

M@


On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No??? Child domain.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 17:38
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
> Trust Builders
>
> By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?
>
> M@
>
>
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Yep logged in as Domain Admin.
>
>   > -Original Message- 
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00
>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders
>   >
>   > I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on
the group itself
>   > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it.
Do you see it as
>   > the Administrator account of the domain?
>   >
>   > M@
>   >
>   >
>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:
>   >
>   >   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN
>   > container. Strange thing is
>   >   that if I look at the security of the
domain object in
>   > ADUC Incoming Forest
>   >   Trust Builders is there.
>   >
>   >   > -Original Message-
>   >   > From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>       >   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] On Behalf Of
>   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
>   >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
>   >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   >   > Trust Builders
>   >   >
>   >   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute
is a systemonly
>   >   > attribute. Personally I am impressed
of that "smart
>   >   > co-worker" that managed to delete it.
> According to the AD
>   >   > Delegation appendices
>   >   >
>   >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
>   >
e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
>   >
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
>   >
ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its
>   > not > possible to move
>   >   delete rename this group.
>   >   >
>   >   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects
> feature in Windows
>   >   > 2003 RTM?
>   >   >
>   >
>
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > M@
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Hi,
>   >   >
>  

RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-17 Thread Han Valk
First forgive my ignorance, I didn't that the group should only exist in the
forest root domain. But how is it possible that CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming Forest
Trust Builders has permissions on the child domain in ADUC when there
shouldn't be a CHILDDOMAIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 19:37
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> Its only in the forest domain IIRC ;-)
>  
> M@
> 
>  
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>   No??? Child domain.
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>       > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 17:38 
>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders
>   >
>   > By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right? 
>   >
>   > M@
>   >
>   >
>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >
>   >   Yep logged in as Domain Admin.
>   >
>   >   > -Original Message- 
>   >   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>   >   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of
>   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00 
>   >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate 
> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   >   > Trust Builders
>   >   > 
>   >   > I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on 
> the group itself
>   >   > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. 
> Do you see it as
>   >   > the Administrator account of the domain? 
>   >   >
>   >   > M@
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN
>   >   > container. Strange thing is
>   >   >   that if I look at the security of the 
> domain object in 
>   >   > ADUC Incoming Forest
>   >   >   Trust Builders is there.
>   >   >
>   >   >   > -----Original Message-----
>   >   >   > From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   >   >   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >   >  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ] On Behalf Of
>   >   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   >   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
>   >   >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> 
>   >   >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
>   > BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   >   >   > Trust Builders
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute 
> is a systemonly 
>   >   >   > attribute. Personally I am impressed 
> of that "smart
>   >   >   > co-worker" that managed to delete it.
>   > According to the AD
>   >   >   > Delegation appendices 
>   >   >   >
>   >   > 
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
>   >   >   
> e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en > 
>   >   >
>   > <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
>   >   >   
> ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its 
>   >   > not > possible to move
>   >   >   delete rename this group.
>   >   >   >
>   >   >   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects
>   > feature in Windows 
>   >   >   > 2003 RTM?
>   >   >   >
>   >   >
>   > 
> http://blogs.dirt

RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Dean Wells
In light of the last post I've seen in this thread, are you absolutely sure
the account was deleted?  I'm skeptical since you seem quite certain that
the deletion occurred in a child domain where this particular security
principal does NOT exist.  

Can you clarify the means by which the group was deleted, it may assist in
understanding what's going on here?

--
Dean Wells
MSEtechnology
t Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://msetechnology.com

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Han Valk
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:45 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders
> group.
> Is it possible to recreate this group with the same well known SID?
> Authoritative restore is out of the question, deletetion is too long
> ago.
> 
> Han Valk.
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
Its only in the forest domain IIRC ;-)
 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No??? Child domain.> -Original Message-> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of> Matheesha Weerasinghe> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 17:38
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders>> By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?
>> M@>>> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>   Yep logged in as Domain Admin.>>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe>   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00
>       > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest>   > Trust Builders>   >
>   > I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself>   > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as>   > the Administrator account of the domain?
>   >>   > M@>   >>   >>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:>   >>   >   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN>   > container. Strange thing is>   >   that if I look at the security of the domain object in
>   > ADUC Incoming Forest>   >   Trust Builders is there.>   >>   >   > -Original Message->   >   > From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       >   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>   > 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of>   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe>   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22>   >   > To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>   >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest>   >   > Trust Builders>   >   >>   >   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly
>   >   > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart>   >   > co-worker" that managed to delete it.> According to the AD>   >   > Delegation appendices
>   >   >>   > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba>   >   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
>   >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db>   >   ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its
>   > not > possible to move>   >   delete rename this group.>   >   >>   >   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects> feature in Windows
>   >   > 2003 RTM?>   >   >>   >> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
>   >   >>   >   >>   >   > M@>   >   >>   >   >>   >   >>   >   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>   >   >>   >   >   Hi,>   >   >>   >   >   A smart co-worker deleted the
> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest>   >   > Trust Builders group.>   >   >   Is it possible to recreate this group> with the same>   >   > well known SID?
>   >   >   Authoritative restore is out of the question,>   >   > deletetion is too long ago.>   >   >>   >   >   Han Valk.>   >   >   List info   :
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Han Valk
No??? Child domain. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 17:38
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?
>  
> M@
> 
>  
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>   Yep logged in as Domain Admin.
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00 
>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders
>   >
>   > I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself 
>   > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as
>   > the Administrator account of the domain?
>   >
>   > M@
>   >
>   >
>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:
>   >
>   >   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN
>   > container. Strange thing is
>   >   that if I look at the security of the domain object in
>   > ADUC Incoming Forest 
>   >   Trust Builders is there.
>   >
>   >   > -Original Message-
>   >   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >       > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of
>   >   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>   >   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
>   >   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   >   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate 
> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
>   >   > Trust Builders
>   >   >
>   >   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly
>   >   > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart
>   >   > co-worker" that managed to delete it. 
> According to the AD 
>   >   > Delegation appendices
>   >   >
>   > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
>   >   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en > 
>   >   
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
>   >   ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its 
>   > not > possible to move
>   >   delete rename this group.
>   >   >
>   >   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects 
> feature in Windows
>   >   > 2003 RTM?
>   >   >
>   > 
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > M@
>   >   > 
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   >   Hi,
>   >   > 
>   >   >   A smart co-worker deleted the 
> BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   >   > Trust Builders group.
>   >   >   Is it possible to recreate this group 
> with the same
>   >   > well known SID? 
>   >   >   Authoritative restore is out of the question,
>   >   > deletetion is too long ago.
>   >   >
>   >   >   Han Valk.
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Eric Fleischman








I haven’t read the entire thread which has
happened, but IF you managed to delete it, ping me offline and I can help you
recreate it. But I would be totally sure it is gone first….a database dump
sounds like a fine way to confirm.

 

~Eric

 

 









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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matheesha Weerasinghe
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:56
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders



 



I also meant to view as Administrator. Not an account with domain admin
rights. There are subtle differences in certain scenarios. I was assuming
the ACLs on the object or the parent are possibly preventing you from viewing
the object. But I doubt its the case. 





 





You arent using the list object (LO) right are you?





 





M@

 





On 8/14/06, Matheesha
Weerasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 





By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?









 





M@

 





On 8/14/06, Han Valk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Yep logged in as Domain Admin.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of 
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00 
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org

> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
> Trust Builders
>
> I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself 
> or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as 
> the Administrator account of the domain?
>
> M@
>
>
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Problem is I don't see it anymore in
the BUILTIN
> container. Strange thing is
>   that if I look at the security of the
domain object in
> ADUC Incoming Forest 
>   Trust Builders is there.
>
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe 
>   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006
10:22
>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org

>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate
BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
>   > Trust Builders
>   >
>   > I dont think so. objectsid
attribute is a systemonly
>   > attribute. Personally I am
impressed of that "smart 
>   > co-worker" that managed to
delete it. According to the AD 
>   > Delegation appendices
>   >
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
>   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en
> 
>   < http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
>  
ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its 
> not > possible to move
>   delete rename this group.
>   > 
>   > May be he exploited the dynamic
objects feature in Windows
>   > 2003 RTM?
>   >
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
>   >
>   >
>   > M@
>   > 
>   >
>   >
>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>   >
>  
>   Hi,
>   > 
>  
>   A smart co-worker deleted the
BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders group.
>  
>   Is it possible to recreate this group
with the same
>   > well known SID? 
>   >  
Authoritative restore is out of the question,
>   > deletetion is too long ago.
>   >
>  
>   Han Valk.
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
I also meant to view as Administrator. Not an account with domain admin rights. There are subtle differences in certain scenarios. I was assuming the ACLs on the object or the parent are possibly preventing you from viewing the object. But I doubt its the case.

 
You arent using the list object (LO) right are you?
 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Matheesha Weerasinghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?

 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Yep logged in as Domain Admin.> -Original Message-> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Matheesha Weerasinghe> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders>> I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself > or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as
> the Administrator account of the domain?>> M@>>> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN> container. Strange thing is>   that if I look at the security of the domain object in> ADUC Incoming Forest 
>   Trust Builders is there.>>   > -Original Message->   > From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>       > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest >   > Trust Builders>   >>   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly>   > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart
>   > co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD >   > Delegation appendices>   >> 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba>   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en > >   <
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db>   ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its > not > possible to move>   delete rename this group.>   >
>   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows>   > 2003 RTM?>   >> 
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx>   >>   >>   > M@>   > >   >>   >>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>   >>   >   Hi,>   > 
>   >   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest>   > Trust Builders group.>   >   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same>   > well known SID? 
>   >   Authoritative restore is out of the question,>   > deletetion is too long ago.>   >>   >   Han Valk.>   >   List info   : 
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
By the way you are looking for this on the forest root right?
 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yep logged in as Domain Admin.> -Original Message-> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of> Matheesha Weerasinghe> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders>> I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself
> or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as> the Administrator account of the domain?>> M@>>> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN> container. Strange thing is>   that if I look at the security of the domain object in> ADUC Incoming Forest
>   Trust Builders is there.>>   > -Original Message->   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>   > [mailto: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe>   > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders>   >>   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly>   > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart>   > co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD
>   > Delegation appendices>   >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba>   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
>   <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db>   ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its
> not > possible to move>   delete rename this group.>   >>   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows>   > 2003 RTM?>   >
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx>   >>   >>   > M@>   >
>   >>   >>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>   >>   >   Hi,>   >
>   >   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest>   > Trust Builders group.>   >   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same>   > well known SID?
>   >   Authoritative restore is out of the question,>   > deletetion is too long ago.>   >>   >   Han Valk.>   >   List info   : 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Han Valk
Yep logged in as Domain Admin. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 13:00
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself 
> or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as 
> the Administrator account of the domain?
>  
> M@
> 
>  
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>   Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN 
> container. Strange thing is
>   that if I look at the security of the domain object in 
> ADUC Incoming Forest 
>   Trust Builders is there.
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of
>   > Matheesha Weerasinghe
>       > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
>   > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>   > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
>   > Trust Builders
>   >
>   > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly
>   > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart
>   > co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD
>   > Delegation appendices
>   > 
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba 
>   e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
>   <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
>   ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its 
> not > possible to move 
>   delete rename this group.
>   >
>   > May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows
>   > 2003 RTM?
>   > 
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx 
>   >
>   >
>   > M@
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >
>   >   Hi,
>   >
>   >   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
>   > Trust Builders group.
>   >   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same
>   > well known SID?
>   >   Authoritative restore is out of the question,
>   > deletetion is too long ago.
>   > 
>   >   Han Valk.
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
I dont think it can be moved. MS documentation suggests it cannot be.
 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Peter Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe the user moved it to another OU? Have you done a full forestsearch for the account?-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Han Valk
Sent: 14 August 2006 12:37To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust BuildersProblem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN container. Strange
thing isthat if I look at the security of the domain object in ADUC IncomingForestTrust Builders is there.> -Original Message-> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of> Matheesha Weerasinghe> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders>> I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly
> attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart> co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD> Delegation appendices> 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dbae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en ><http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its not > possible tomovedelete rename this group.>> May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows> 2003 RTM?
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx>>> M@>>>> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>   Hi,>>   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders group.>   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same
> well known SID?>   Authoritative restore is out of the question,> deletetion is too long ago.>>   Han Valk.>   List info   : 
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
I am wondering if there are ACLs defined on the group itself or the OU above to prevent you from seen it. Do you see it as the Administrator account of the domain?
 
M@ 
On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN container. Strange thing isthat if I look at the security of the domain object in ADUC Incoming Forest
Trust Builders is there.> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of> Matheesha Weerasinghe> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest> Trust Builders>> I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly> attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart
> co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD> Delegation appendices> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en ><http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dbae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its not > possible to move
delete rename this group.>> May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows> 2003 RTM?> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
>>> M@>>>> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>   Hi,>>   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest
> Trust Builders group.>   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same> well known SID?>   Authoritative restore is out of the question,> deletetion is too long ago.>
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Han Valk
It should not be possible to move that group. I did a search but did not find
it 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Johnson
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:52
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> Maybe the user moved it to another OU? Have you done a full forest
> search for the account?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Han Valk
> Sent: 14 August 2006 12:37
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN container. Strange
> thing is
> that if I look at the security of the domain object in ADUC Incoming
> Forest
> Trust Builders is there.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > Matheesha Weerasinghe
> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> > Trust Builders
> > 
> > I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly 
> > attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart 
> > co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD 
> > Delegation appendices 
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
> e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
> ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its not > 
> possible to
> move
> delete rename this group. 
> > 
> > May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows 
> > 2003 RTM? 
> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
> > 
> > 
> > M@
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> > Trust Builders group.
> > Is it possible to recreate this group with the same 
> > well known SID?
> > Authoritative restore is out of the question, 
> > deletetion is too long ago. 
> > 
> > Han Valk.
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Peter Johnson
Maybe the user moved it to another OU? Have you done a full forest
search for the account?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Han Valk
Sent: 14 August 2006 12:37
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN container. Strange
thing is
that if I look at the security of the domain object in ADUC Incoming
Forest
Trust Builders is there.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Matheesha Weerasinghe
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:22
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly 
> attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart 
> co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD 
> Delegation appendices 
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its not > possible to
move
delete rename this group. 
> 
> May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows 
> 2003 RTM? 
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
> 
> 
> M@
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
>   
>   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders group.
>   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same 
> well known SID?
>   Authoritative restore is out of the question, 
> deletetion is too long ago. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Han Valk
Problem is I don't see it anymore in the BUILTIN container. Strange thing is
that if I look at the security of the domain object in ADUC Incoming Forest
Trust Builders is there.

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> Matheesha Weerasinghe
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> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders
> 
> I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly 
> attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart 
> co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD 
> Delegation appendices 
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dba
e88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en >
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29db
ae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en>  its not > possible to move
delete rename this group. 
> 
> May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows 
> 2003 RTM? 
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspx
> 
> 
> M@
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/14/06, Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
>   
>   A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest 
> Trust Builders group.
>   Is it possible to recreate this group with the same 
> well known SID?
>   Authoritative restore is out of the question, 
> deletetion is too long ago. 
>   
>   Han Valk.
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Re: [ActiveDir] Recreate BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders

2006-08-14 Thread Matheesha Weerasinghe
I dont think so. objectsid attribute is a systemonly attribute. Personally I am impressed of that "smart co-worker" that managed to delete it. According to the AD Delegation appendices 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=29dbae88-a216-45f9-9739-cb1fb22a0642&DisplayLang=en its not possible to move delete rename this group. May be he exploited the dynamic objects feature in Windows 2003 RTM? 
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/tomek/archive/2006/06/23/1175.aspxM@On 8/14/06, 
Han Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,A smart co-worker deleted the BUILTIN\Incoming Forest Trust Builders group.Is it possible to recreate this group with the same well known SID?Authoritative restore is out of the question, deletetion is too long ago.
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