RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
SBS... uh oh there goes the neighborhood... This one could possibly get the [OT] badge I expect and/or go to the SBS specific groups. If an SBS server died, AD would be one of the last things on it I would suspect with everything it runs. ;o) joe -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:39 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi - I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday's crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server - twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don't seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I've got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week - or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006
RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
(I suck at lurking what can I say) The other day someone was arguing about SBS
saying what are you going to do if the AD gets corrupted and got to say
Well, according to the AD gurus I know, it's very rare for AD to get corrupted
and typically is not AD that has gone wrong but something else.
They came back and said Oh well I meant overall corruption
joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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died, AD would be one of the last things on it I would suspect with everything
it runs. ;o)
joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:39 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
Hi
I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge
2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find
no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that
correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major
errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware
problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly.
The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturdays crash,
the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this
domain, I followed the steps provided to set the Enabled Journal Wrap
Automatic Restore key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This
error has not recurred.
Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem
associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I
do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer
to the GC.
Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server twice.
Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several
hours and dont seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server
is up now (after a hard reboot), but Ive got to feel comfortable with leaving
this server for a week or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be
meaningless ;-)
TIA
-- nme
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RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
Can you give us some data? Like, when it dies, what do you see? Is death a blue screen? Or something else? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi - I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday's crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server - twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don't seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I've got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week - or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006
Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
As a generalization if the Microsoft O/S event logs are blank the issue tends to be hardware related (and those are the hardest ones to nail down at times) Eric Fleischman wrote: Can you give us some data? Like, when it dies, what do you see? Is death a blue screen? Or something else? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
[I don't mean really blank.. I just mean that they don't point to anything useful blank] Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: As a generalization if the Microsoft O/S event logs are blank the issue tends to be hardware related (and those are the hardest ones to nail down at times) Eric Fleischman wrote: Can you give us some data? Like, when it dies, what do you see? Is death a blue screen? Or something else? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
Hi - Thanks for the links, Susan. Yes, those are the errors regarding Exchange / AD and the FRS errors seem to have gone away. The UPS is a good one to point to. The only thing that has changed is that we replaced the UPS. Ah ha, you might say. We had a UPS on this for years, but it did not run APC's PowerChute. That battery started beeping, and we installed the application. Then the UPS died. This is a new battery and new UPS. Do you know of any incompatibilities with APC's PowerChute? PowerChute does not show anything out of the ordinary around the time of the crashes. Finally, someone asked what was on the screen. I did not see it because I was not on site. The person who did the restart for me said the screen was blank. The screen is on a KVM. Regardless, I am calling Dell today. Thanks. -- nme -Original Message- From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:17 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days [I don't mean really blank.. I just mean that they don't point to anything useful blank] Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: As a generalization if the Microsoft O/S event logs are blank the issue tends to be hardware related (and those are the hardest ones to nail down at times) Eric Fleischman wrote: Can you give us some data? Like, when it dies, what do you see? Is death a blue screen? Or something else? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
For many/most they just use the built in (uh.. does 2k have built in?) UPS software in Windows rather than the Powerchute third party stuff. I just know that Powerchute had an expired Java cert in their program and brought servers to their knees a year or so ago making symptoms like DNS issues. So when it doubt pull it off. Noah Eiger wrote: Hi - Thanks for the links, Susan. Yes, those are the errors regarding Exchange / AD and the FRS errors seem to have gone away. The UPS is a good one to point to. The only thing that has changed is that we replaced the UPS. Ah ha, you might say. We had a UPS on this for years, but it did not run APC's PowerChute. That battery started beeping, and we installed the application. Then the UPS died. This is a new battery and new UPS. Do you know of any incompatibilities with APC's PowerChute? PowerChute does not show anything out of the ordinary around the time of the crashes. Finally, someone asked what was on the screen. I did not see it because I was not on site. The person who did the restart for me said the screen was blank. The screen is on a KVM. Regardless, I am calling Dell today. Thanks. -- nme -Original Message- From: Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:17 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days [I don't mean really blank.. I just mean that they don't point to anything useful blank] Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: As a generalization if the Microsoft O/S event logs are blank the issue tends to be hardware related (and those are the hardest ones to nail down at times) Eric Fleischman wrote: Can you give us some data? Like, when it dies, what do you see? Is death a blue screen? Or something else? *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
Microsoft partners have a service called Server down. If you are merely a registered Microsoft partner (which since you say clients and you are touching a SBS box.. you should be) you can log into your www.microsoft.com/partner profile (need passport) go to the support section, find the Business critical section and you have a number there and either a local number or toll free one to call. If this is a SBS 2000 sp4 box.. how old are those drives? Call Server Down when you get stuck.. the resource is there... use it IMHO. Now then... when did it die? What occurs in the event logs right before? Those JRNL wrap errors don't occur that often to SBS boxes. 2104 after a reboot is SBS tripping on Exchange and AD toes as it boots up. http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2004/01/22/1997.aspx http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2004/01/22/1998.aspx http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=8197eventno=840source=MSExchangeFBPublishphase=1 8197? Like that? Noah Eiger wrote: Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Dies Twice in Four Days
Other ideas: UPS good? Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: Microsoft partners have a service called Server down. If you are merely a registered Microsoft partner (which since you say clients and you are touching a SBS box.. you should be) you can log into your www.microsoft.com/partner profile (need passport) go to the support section, find the Business critical section and you have a number there and either a local number or toll free one to call. If this is a SBS 2000 sp4 box.. how old are those drives? Call Server Down when you get stuck.. the resource is there... use it IMHO. Now then... when did it die? What occurs in the event logs right before? Those JRNL wrap errors don't occur that often to SBS boxes. 2104 after a reboot is SBS tripping on Exchange and AD toes as it boots up. http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2004/01/22/1997.aspx http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2004/01/22/1998.aspx http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=8197eventno=840source=MSExchangeFBPublishphase=1 8197? Like that? Noah Eiger wrote: Hi – I have a client with a four-year old SBS 2000 SP4 install on a Dell PowerEdge 2500. In the last four days, the machine has simply died -- twice. I can find no obvious (or not so obvious) cause for this. There appears little that correlates directly with the crashes. The event logs are pretty clear of major errors (except below). The Open Manage software does not show any hardware problems. The drives are somewhat fragmented but not horribly. The few errors that show up include this: Shortly before Saturday’s crash, the FRS log recorded a 13568 JRNL_WRAP_ERROR. Since this is the only DC in this domain, I followed the steps provided to set the “Enabled Journal Wrap Automatic Restore” key to 1. This appeared to have cleared the error. This error has not recurred. Also, Exchange has logged some errors such as 2104 and 8197 which seem associated with access to the GC. When I followed the steps in MSKB 828764, I do not find any entries in the registry keys listed which are supposed to refer to the GC. Either way, I am not sure those would bring down a server – twice. Sorry if this is rambling a bit. I have been looking at this for several hours and don’t seem to be making any headway. Any thoughts welcome. The server is up now (after a hard reboot), but I’ve got to feel comfortable with leaving this server for a week – or my earlier post about laptop batteries will be meaningless ;-) TIA -- nme// -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/
