RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-17 Thread Michelle Harmon
Graham:

This may be what you're looking for:

http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/tips/AD_Tip01.asp

-Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

Thanks for the reply posts

there are some applications that need to use these attributes and also
it
seems that while schema extension can be carried out at any time, it
nonetheless has an associated risk which for me is best carried out
while
the AD is not strictly in production and is there not an issue of
performance - ie the replication of the other directory partitions which
will take longer if the directory is fully populated with domain objects
??

GT



- Original Message -
From: Roger Seielstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


 That brings up a good point. There's no reason the schema extension
has to
 happen now, unless you want to use the fields.

 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis Inc.


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:27 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
  What are your reasons for wanting your directory extended at
  this point.  Will you at some point be upgrading to Exchange 2000.
 
  If you don't wish to keep your existing organisation and site
  names then you can happily go ahead with a new organisation.
  This will have no links to the existing Exchange 5.5
  Organisation.  If you decide to upgrade you will have to look
  at creating new mailboxes and putting in connectors etc.
 
  If you join the existing site you will need to put in the ADC
  etc.  This will change your current Exchange 5.5 organisation.
 
  Jacqui
 
from:Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date:Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:33
to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
   Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.
  
   As stated in the original post i am looking to complete the task
of
   schema extension with attributes added by Exchange 2000.
  
   the reason for this is to remove the risk of doing this
  once the AD
   is in production.
  
   it was expected to be able to complete this exercise
  without impacting
   any existing Exchange infrastructure (which by the way is at 5.5)
  
   however it seems that exchange 2000 setup wants to either join on
   existing organisation or create a new organization.
  
   either way there seems an impact which as yet is unplanned
  and can't
   be continued until fully assessed.
  
   was wondering if there was a way using ldap directory tools such
as
   ldifde to complete the necessary changes to the directory
  without any
   exchange configuration.
  
   GT
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Marc Zukerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:36 PM
   Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
  
What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate
Organization?
   Then
set it up as a new orgnization within the forest.
  ForestPrep is the
   answer.
   
Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the
  existing 5.5
organization? If so, it will require joining the organization
and
the configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the
Exchange 5.5 accounts. There isn't any way around that since
Exchange 2000 doesn't have the ability to read the 5.5
directory.
You can still manage your existing accounts in 5.5 if you
  like. You
can even control the ADC not to update AD with the account
information. But it requires the Site Replication Service to
communicate within the same organization.
   
If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.
   
Marc Zukerman
Senior Network Engineer
Greenwich Technology Partners
- Original Message -
From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
   
   
 I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the
 attribute
   set
of
 Exchange 2000.

 The one documented way of doing this is to use the
forestprep
 option
   of
 Exchange 2000 setup.

 However this seems to require information on any
  existing Exchange
 organization / new organization and as such potentially
  impact any
existing
 Exchange organization.

 Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation
but
 with no
plan
 for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of
 extending

Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-17 Thread Graham Turner
Michelle, that is exaclty the technote i am looking for - we must be great
minds thinking alike as i have found it only this AM

in response to Roger's post my understanding (although this one of those
things i just heard and not verified) was that schema extension is an
operation that initiated full replication of all directory partitions. as
such the replication traffic generated will be greater if the directory is
populated with a whole load of data

don't know if anyone has any further points on this ??

GT

- Original Message - 
From: Michelle Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


Graham:

This may be what you're looking for:

http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/tips/AD_Tip01.asp

-Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

Thanks for the reply posts

there are some applications that need to use these attributes and also
it
seems that while schema extension can be carried out at any time, it
nonetheless has an associated risk which for me is best carried out
while
the AD is not strictly in production and is there not an issue of
performance - ie the replication of the other directory partitions which
will take longer if the directory is fully populated with domain objects
??

GT



- Original Message -
From: Roger Seielstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


 That brings up a good point. There's no reason the schema extension
has to
 happen now, unless you want to use the fields.

 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis Inc.


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:27 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
  What are your reasons for wanting your directory extended at
  this point.  Will you at some point be upgrading to Exchange 2000.
 
  If you don't wish to keep your existing organisation and site
  names then you can happily go ahead with a new organisation.
  This will have no links to the existing Exchange 5.5
  Organisation.  If you decide to upgrade you will have to look
  at creating new mailboxes and putting in connectors etc.
 
  If you join the existing site you will need to put in the ADC
  etc.  This will change your current Exchange 5.5 organisation.
 
  Jacqui
 
from:Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date:Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:33
to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
   Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.
  
   As stated in the original post i am looking to complete the task
of
   schema extension with attributes added by Exchange 2000.
  
   the reason for this is to remove the risk of doing this
  once the AD
   is in production.
  
   it was expected to be able to complete this exercise
  without impacting
   any existing Exchange infrastructure (which by the way is at 5.5)
  
   however it seems that exchange 2000 setup wants to either join on
   existing organisation or create a new organization.
  
   either way there seems an impact which as yet is unplanned
  and can't
   be continued until fully assessed.
  
   was wondering if there was a way using ldap directory tools such
as
   ldifde to complete the necessary changes to the directory
  without any
   exchange configuration.
  
   GT
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Marc Zukerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:36 PM
   Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
  
What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate
Organization?
   Then
set it up as a new orgnization within the forest.
  ForestPrep is the
   answer.
   
Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the
  existing 5.5
organization? If so, it will require joining the organization
and
the configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the
Exchange 5.5 accounts. There isn't any way around that since
Exchange 2000 doesn't have the ability to read the 5.5
directory.
You can still manage your existing accounts in 5.5 if you
  like. You
can even control the ADC not to update AD with the account
information. But it requires the Site Replication Service to
communicate within the same organization.
   
If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.
   
Marc Zukerman
Senior Network Engineer
Greenwich Technology Partners
- Original Message -
From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-17 Thread Fugleberg, David A
The extensions installed by the Exchange2K forestprep process DO include items that 
are part of the PAS, so it will trigger a complete GC replication.  This may or may 
not be a big deal, depending on your topology and how much bandwidth you have to spare.

In a single-domain forest, all DCs already contain all attributes of all objects, so 
there's no additional 'GC replication' even if all DCs are GCs - at least that's how I 
understand it.  If that's your case, then this should not be an issue.

Guess I never tried to test the effect it might have later - E2K was the whole reason 
for moving to AD for us in the first place, so forestprep was part of our inital 
implementation.
Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Harmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


Roger's right about the schema extension triggering a full replication.
I didn't find proof very many places, but here's one thing that I found:

http://www.mcpmag.com/backissues/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=413

...Adding or removing an attribute from the Partial Attribute Set in
Win2K triggers a complete rebuild of the global catalog. This results in
a full replication of the global catalog to all GC servers in the
forest...

So there you have it.  Looks like you'll get replication of all
partitions of the GC you made the changes on to all other GCs.

As far as the replication traffic generated will be greater if the
directory is populated with a whole load of data, if you're asking what
I assume you're asking (if the freshly extended schema + info contained
in the new attributes will be more than the traffic from the freshly
extended schema alone), then I would say yes.  Seems like a trick
question though.  ;)

-Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

Michelle, that is exaclty the technote i am looking for - we must be
great
minds thinking alike as i have found it only this AM

in response to Roger's post my understanding (although this one of those
things i just heard and not verified) was that schema extension is an
operation that initiated full replication of all directory partitions.
as
such the replication traffic generated will be greater if the directory
is
populated with a whole load of data

don't know if anyone has any further points on this ??

GT

- Original Message - 
From: Michelle Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


Graham:

This may be what you're looking for:

http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/tips/AD_Tip01.asp

-Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

Thanks for the reply posts

there are some applications that need to use these attributes and also
it
seems that while schema extension can be carried out at any time, it
nonetheless has an associated risk which for me is best carried out
while
the AD is not strictly in production and is there not an issue of
performance - ie the replication of the other directory partitions which
will take longer if the directory is fully populated with domain objects
??

GT



- Original Message -
From: Roger Seielstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


 That brings up a good point. There's no reason the schema extension
has to
 happen now, unless you want to use the fields.

 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis Inc.


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:27 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
  What are your reasons for wanting your directory extended at
  this point.  Will you at some point be upgrading to Exchange 2000.
 
  If you don't wish to keep your existing organisation and site
  names then you can happily go ahead with a new organisation.
  This will have no links to the existing Exchange 5.5
  Organisation.  If you decide to upgrade you will have to look
  at creating new mailboxes and putting in connectors etc.
 
  If you join the existing site you will need to put in the ADC
  etc.  This will change your current Exchange 5.5 organisation.
 
  Jacqui
 
from:Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date:Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:33
to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
   Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.
  
   As stated in the original

Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-12 Thread jacqui . hurst
What are your reasons for wanting your directory extended at this point.  Will you at 
some point be upgrading to Exchange 2000.  

If you don't wish to keep your existing organisation and site names then you can 
happily go ahead with a new organisation.  This will have no links to the existing 
Exchange 5.5 Organisation.  If you decide to upgrade you will have to look at creating 
new mailboxes and putting in connectors etc.

If you join the existing site you will need to put in the ADC etc.  This will change 
your current Exchange 5.5 organisation.

Jacqui

  from:Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  date:Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:33
  to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.
 
 As stated in the original post i am looking to complete the task of schema
 extension with attributes added by Exchange 2000.
 
 the reason for this is to remove the risk of doing this once the AD is in
 production.
 
 it was expected to be able to complete this exercise without impacting any
 existing Exchange infrastructure (which by the way is at 5.5)
 
 however it seems that exchange 2000 setup wants to either join on existing
 organisation or create a new organization.
 
 either way there seems an impact which as yet is unplanned and can't be
 continued until fully assessed.
 
 was wondering if there was a way using ldap directory tools such as ldifde
 to complete the necessary changes to the directory without any exchange
 configuration.
 
 GT
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Marc Zukerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
  What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate Organization?
 Then
  set it up as a new orgnization within the forest. ForestPrep is the
 answer.
 
  Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the existing 5.5
  organization? If so, it will require joining the organization and the
  configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the Exchange 5.5
  accounts. There isn't any way around that since Exchange 2000 doesn't have
  the ability to read the 5.5 directory. You can still manage your existing
  accounts in 5.5 if you like. You can even control the ADC not to update AD
  with the account information. But it requires the Site Replication Service
  to communicate within the same organization.
 
  If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.
 
  Marc Zukerman
  Senior Network Engineer
  Greenwich Technology Partners
  - Original Message -
  From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
  Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
   I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the attribute
 set
  of
   Exchange 2000.
  
   The one documented way of doing this is to use the forestprep option
 of
   Exchange 2000 setup.
  
   However this seems to require information on any existing Exchange
   organization / new organization and as such potentially impact any
  existing
   Exchange organization.
  
   Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation but with no
  plan
   for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of extending
 the
   schema without gonig through the specifics of either joining an
 existing
   organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may compromise any
  future
   Exch2000 implementation.
  
   This will enable us to perform this schema before going into production.
  
   Thanks
  
   GT
  
  
  
  
  
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RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-12 Thread Roger Seielstad
That brings up a good point. There's no reason the schema extension has to
happen now, unless you want to use the fields. 

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:27 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
 What are your reasons for wanting your directory extended at 
 this point.  Will you at some point be upgrading to Exchange 2000.  
 
 If you don't wish to keep your existing organisation and site 
 names then you can happily go ahead with a new organisation.  
 This will have no links to the existing Exchange 5.5 
 Organisation.  If you decide to upgrade you will have to look 
 at creating new mailboxes and putting in connectors etc.
 
 If you join the existing site you will need to put in the ADC 
 etc.  This will change your current Exchange 5.5 organisation.
 
 Jacqui
 
   from:Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   date:Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:33
   to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
  Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.
  
  As stated in the original post i am looking to complete the task of 
  schema extension with attributes added by Exchange 2000.
  
  the reason for this is to remove the risk of doing this 
 once the AD 
  is in production.
  
  it was expected to be able to complete this exercise 
 without impacting 
  any existing Exchange infrastructure (which by the way is at 5.5)
  
  however it seems that exchange 2000 setup wants to either join on 
  existing organisation or create a new organization.
  
  either way there seems an impact which as yet is unplanned 
 and can't 
  be continued until fully assessed.
  
  was wondering if there was a way using ldap directory tools such as 
  ldifde to complete the necessary changes to the directory 
 without any 
  exchange configuration.
  
  GT
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Marc Zukerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
  
   What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate 
   Organization?
  Then
   set it up as a new orgnization within the forest. 
 ForestPrep is the
  answer.
  
   Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the 
 existing 5.5 
   organization? If so, it will require joining the organization and 
   the configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the 
   Exchange 5.5 accounts. There isn't any way around that since 
   Exchange 2000 doesn't have the ability to read the 5.5 directory. 
   You can still manage your existing accounts in 5.5 if you 
 like. You 
   can even control the ADC not to update AD with the account 
   information. But it requires the Site Replication Service to 
   communicate within the same organization.
  
   If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.
  
   Marc Zukerman
   Senior Network Engineer
   Greenwich Technology Partners
   - Original Message -
   From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
   Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
  
  
I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the 
attribute
  set
   of
Exchange 2000.
   
The one documented way of doing this is to use the forestprep 
option
  of
Exchange 2000 setup.
   
However this seems to require information on any 
 existing Exchange 
organization / new organization and as such potentially 
 impact any
   existing
Exchange organization.
   
Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation but 
with no
   plan
for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of 
extending
  the
schema without gonig through the specifics of either 
 joining an
  existing
organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may 
 compromise 
any
   future
Exch2000 implementation.
   
This will enable us to perform this schema before going into 
production.
   
Thanks
   
GT
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-11 Thread Graham Turner
Mark, sorry for the delay in posting back here.

As stated in the original post i am looking to complete the task of schema
extension with attributes added by Exchange 2000.

the reason for this is to remove the risk of doing this once the AD is in
production.

it was expected to be able to complete this exercise without impacting any
existing Exchange infrastructure (which by the way is at 5.5)

however it seems that exchange 2000 setup wants to either join on existing
organisation or create a new organization.

either way there seems an impact which as yet is unplanned and can't be
continued until fully assessed.

was wondering if there was a way using ldap directory tools such as ldifde
to complete the necessary changes to the directory without any exchange
configuration.

GT


- Original Message -
From: Marc Zukerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


 What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate Organization?
Then
 set it up as a new orgnization within the forest. ForestPrep is the
answer.

 Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the existing 5.5
 organization? If so, it will require joining the organization and the
 configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the Exchange 5.5
 accounts. There isn't any way around that since Exchange 2000 doesn't have
 the ability to read the 5.5 directory. You can still manage your existing
 accounts in 5.5 if you like. You can even control the ADC not to update AD
 with the account information. But it requires the Site Replication Service
 to communicate within the same organization.

 If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.

 Marc Zukerman
 Senior Network Engineer
 Greenwich Technology Partners
 - Original Message -
 From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
 Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


  I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the attribute
set
 of
  Exchange 2000.
 
  The one documented way of doing this is to use the forestprep option
of
  Exchange 2000 setup.
 
  However this seems to require information on any existing Exchange
  organization / new organization and as such potentially impact any
 existing
  Exchange organization.
 
  Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation but with no
 plan
  for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of extending
the
  schema without gonig through the specifics of either joining an
existing
  organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may compromise any
 future
  Exch2000 implementation.
 
  This will enable us to perform this schema before going into production.
 
  Thanks
 
  GT
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-07 Thread Roger Seielstad
There's no harm in doing forestprep and indicating that you'll join the
existing Exchange org, then not going any further.

There's no reason that the ADC has to be run - I've run this forest for over
a year without the ADC ever being run. In fact, from what I've seen, the ADC
should be used for as short a time as possible.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Marc Zukerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:37 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
 What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate 
 Organization? Then set it up as a new orgnization within the 
 forest. ForestPrep is the answer.
 
 Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the 
 existing 5.5 organization? If so, it will require joining the 
 organization and the configuration of the ADC to update 
 Active Directory with the Exchange 5.5 accounts. There isn't 
 any way around that since Exchange 2000 doesn't have the 
 ability to read the 5.5 directory. You can still manage your 
 existing accounts in 5.5 if you like. You can even control 
 the ADC not to update AD with the account information. But it 
 requires the Site Replication Service to communicate within 
 the same organization.
 
 If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.
 
 Marc Zukerman
 Senior Network Engineer
 Greenwich Technology Partners
 - Original Message -
 From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
 Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension
 
 
  I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the 
 attribute 
  set
 of
  Exchange 2000.
 
  The one documented way of doing this is to use the 
 forestprep option 
  of Exchange 2000 setup.
 
  However this seems to require information on any existing Exchange 
  organization / new organization and as such potentially impact any
 existing
  Exchange organization.
 
  Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation 
 but with 
  no
 plan
  for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way 
 of extending 
  the schema without gonig through the specifics of either 
 joining an 
  existing organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may 
  compromise any
 future
  Exch2000 implementation.
 
  This will enable us to perform this schema before going into 
  production.
 
  Thanks
 
  GT
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-06 Thread Rob Ellis
Not that I'm aware of.

In any case, your choice of org name doesn't have too much impact.  Just
create a new org with name of your choice.

Either that, or wait until you know whats happening with names,
migration from 5.5, etc, and do forestprep and domain prep nearer the
time.


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-Original Message-
From: Graham Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2003 17:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the attribute
set of
Exchange 2000.

The one documented way of doing this is to use the forestprep option
of
Exchange 2000 setup.

However this seems to require information on any existing Exchange
organization / new organization and as such potentially impact any
existing
Exchange organization.

Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation but with no
plan
for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of extending
the
schema without gonig through the specifics of either joining an
existing
organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may compromise any
future
Exch2000 implementation.

This will enable us to perform this schema before going into production.

Thanks

GT





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Re: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension

2003-03-06 Thread Marc Zukerman
What are your plans? Are you looking to set up a separate Organization? Then
set it up as a new orgnization within the forest. ForestPrep is the answer.

Are you looking to get an Exchange 2000 server in the existing 5.5
organization? If so, it will require joining the organization and the
configuration of the ADC to update Active Directory with the Exchange 5.5
accounts. There isn't any way around that since Exchange 2000 doesn't have
the ability to read the 5.5 directory. You can still manage your existing
accounts in 5.5 if you like. You can even control the ADC not to update AD
with the account information. But it requires the Site Replication Service
to communicate within the same organization.

If these aren't your restrictions, please give more information.

Marc Zukerman
Senior Network Engineer
Greenwich Technology Partners
- Original Message -
From: Graham Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [ActiveDir] Windows 2000 schema extension


 I would like to be able to extend the schema to include the attribute set
of
 Exchange 2000.

 The one documented way of doing this is to use the forestprep option of
 Exchange 2000 setup.

 However this seems to require information on any existing Exchange
 organization / new organization and as such potentially impact any
existing
 Exchange organization.

 Given a scenario of there being an Exchange 5.5 organzation but with no
plan
 for connectivity to the Active Directory , is there a way of extending the
 schema without gonig through the specifics of either joining an existing
 organzation or creating new Exchange objects which may compromise any
future
 Exch2000 implementation.

 This will enable us to perform this schema before going into production.

 Thanks

 GT





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