**PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Check the DBBACKUP INTEGRITY.
Hi TSM'rs Someone knows a possibility of CHECK the integrity of a DBBACKUP tape or file. This is connected to the last DISASTER we had. We would like if the DBBACKUP is correctly done. Thank you. MICHEL DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: why incremental backup process took a long time?
HiWhen using large fileservers, as the one described below, it would be a good idea to start using the journaled based backup.The reason it takes a lot of time, is that it has to inspect ALL files, to be able to decide which files to be backed up.Using the journal based backup, the client has a journal that is updated in real-time for all files that are changed since last backup.This means that when the client is to start the backup, it doesn't have to inspect the files, just look in the journal.This save a lot of time on servers where you have 50.000+ files.Best RegardsDaniel Sparrman---Daniel SparrmanExist i Stockholm ABBergkllavgen 31D192 79 SOLLENTUNAVxel: 08 - 754 98 00Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51Zosimo Noriega [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]2002-01-20 09:36 ZE4Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: bcc: Subject: why incremental backup process took a long time? the incremental backup took a long time to complete the process not same asbefore, see the details below:02 11:11:23 Total number of objects inspected: 498,54402 11:11:23 Total number of objects backed up:9602 11:11:23 Total number of objects updated: 202 11:11:23 Total number of objects rebound: 002 11:11:23 Total number of objects deleted: 202 11:11:23 Total number of objects failed: 1202 11:11:23 Total number of bytes transferred: 1.21 GB02 11:11:23 Data transfer time: 119.12 sec02 11:11:23 Network data transfer rate:10,714.47 KB/sec02 11:11:23 Aggregate data transfer rate: 32.27 KB/sec02 11:11:23 Objects compressed by: 0%02 11:11:23 Elapsed processing time: 10:59:11from the dsmched.log, it contains several entries of this messages:01/20/2002 02:17:46 ANS1898I * Processed 88,000 files *01/20/2002 02:18:49 ANS1898I * Processed 88,500 files *01/20/2002 02:18:49 ANS1898I * Processed 89,000 files *01/20/2002 02:19:52 ANS1898I * Processed 89,500 files *01/20/2002 xx:xx:xx ANS1898I * Processed nn,nnn files *what was the cause of this?any help from you is really appreciated, regardsZosi Noriega
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
haha I love this! another unix zealot heard from! I thought this was a forum about Tivoli Storage Management -Original Message- From: Zlatko Krastev/ACIT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Mark, Lets compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges. What could you say in response to that: Your sluggish Windows 3.1 even does not have own TCP/IP stack but I do have IPSec in AIX 4.3.3 How many years have passed since Compaq bought DEC and even now HP buys Compaq (alright, they merge). You love your mice, I love my keyboard 51 times more - 102 keys (I replaced the funny kbd with Win keys with an old rock solid PS/2 keyboard) vs 2 buttons :-) - Even in Windoze It is easier for me to do Alt-Tab several times instead of click-here, click-there. But can you manage Windows TCP/IP stack other than with a mouse or digging deeply in (a deep shit called) registry - is there somewhere in the world a description of at least 5% of registry keys any just-installed Windows system does have. What about the man pages. I do not heed to have ability to open Control Panel applets from the help, I need information how to proceed when they open. - not only me but many of my colleagues use X only to have more telnet/ssh screens. I am very sad that IBM replaced high-function terminal (hft) console in AIX 3.x with low-function terminal (lft) console in AIX 4.x and later. With hft we were able to have many screens and switch between them (even if some are X while other are text) - what would you do to automate the everyday tasks of lets say TSM client if you had only GUI or Web client and not dsmc ?!? Windows scripting host??? - can you say that all Windows management tasks can be performed from command line and automated without the tools microsoft though are enough for you. And I have to learn for each new version of windoze where the heck now can I perform task1, task2, etc. - we had to go all the way to Windows XP to reach at the end secure operating system. Have you seen in your life a UNIX with permissions of / and /usr set to 777?!? - mom and pap down the street are able to setup Windows in a half hour. Later they call somebody called programmer in Bulgaria to identify their hardware and install that tiny piece of software that would make the sound working, video with resolution greater than 640x480 (VGA was introduced in IBM PS/2 in 1988, right), make this Internet-connection thingy working, etc. And I even had my life an IT specialist from a major international bank coming to the office of a customer (big internaltional corporation) to install e-banking SW, got the response that the modem is external and is on the desk and fully cabled, and five minutes later plugged the second phone line into Ethernet adapter. The adapter didn't liked too much the idea to be a fuse but blown as is expected from a fuse. - you already have experience in the past with X terminals. How much time passed to invent Windows Terminal Server ? And how many users can run lets say Word on a WTS box simultaneously? And how powerful this box ought to be? - others already pointed TSM mainly needs I/O resources like bus throughput, memory access speed, network performance and even number of slots. What can we do with PC box with 2 slots on primary PCI and 4-5 more through PCI-PCI bridge. So 133-266 MB/s are shared among disk controller (boot), FC adapter (usualy 0 or 2), one or more network adapters. One Gb Ethernet and one FC adapters are enough to congest the bus. Only top-end Intel-based servers have more than one PCI bus. And I will have to get 4,8-processor capable system with only one processor to have necessary bus performance. Guess also from where Intel servers took the idea memory modules to be installed in pairs or quads? I do remember MCA-based RS/6000 53H which served me fine in 1993 having 128-bit wide memory bus with 41MHz processor Sorry for being so angry. I do recommend to my customers Windows NT/2000 servers for small shops. I hope we will get TSM server on Linux some day. But for any medium-sized or larger enterprise the definitive answer is UNIX (or mainframe if you need it *and* can afford it). If you need to backup NT fileserver, Exchange server and MS SQL server plus/minus few dozen Windows PCs the answer is TSM on Windows. If you have DB2, Informix, Oracle or SAP and several hundred GB database better leave the sandbox and put TSM on UNIX. Have you seen a server with 150-300 GB disk space intended to be backed up to a DDS3 tape (not autochanger) ?! I did. Thank you for the patience rading all I wrote. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Remeta, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17.01.2002 19:03:29 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Well this is not the case Daniel. I do have Unix experience. With
Total Recovery without DBBACKUP tape ?
Hi everybody! This is the biggest disaster I can immagine. That looks loke No DBBACKUP tape available. Is it possible to recover the data FROM the POOL TAPES, if I know which tape is right pool tape ? This is a real emmergency Thank you. Michel MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
problem with 3494 library after TSM upgrade from 3.7.4 to 4..2.1.7
Hi everybody! 3494 Library with four 3590 tape drives dont want to mount volumes after TSM upgrade runnig on aix 4.3.3 from 3.7.4 to 4.2.1.7 Error mesage from tsm console is : ANR8304E Time out error on drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) in library 3494LIB1. ANR8472I Error reading label of volume in drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) of library 3494LIB1. ANR8311E An I/O error occurred while accessing drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) for OFFL operation, errno = 22. failed. ANR8310E An I/O error occurred while accessing library 3494LIB1. any help would be great!
Re: problem with 3494 library after TSM upgrade from 3.7.4 to 4..2.1.7
I would delete the drive and library defintions, and redefine them to TSM. If they define ok, them checkin your scratch tapes, followed by the private tapes. If you cannot redefine the library and drives, then I would look at upgrading atape and atldd, and removing the devices from the ODM, and running cfgmgr. Hi everybody! 3494 Library with four 3590 tape drives dont want to mount volumes after TSM upgrade runnig on aix 4.3.3 from 3.7.4 to 4.2.1.7 Error mesage from tsm console is : ANR8304E Time out error on drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) in library 3494LIB1. ANR8472I Error reading label of volume in drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) of library 3494LIB1. ANR8311E An I/O error occurred while accessing drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) for OFFL operation, errno = 22. failed. ANR8310E An I/O error occurred while accessing library 3494LIB1. any help would be great! Steve Roder, University at Buffalo HOD Service Coordinator VM Systems Programmer UNIX Systems Administrator (Solaris and AIX) TSM/ADSM Administrator ([EMAIL PROTECTED] | (716)645-3564 | http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~tkssteve)
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
This rings a bell. When I moved to a larger machine, on V3R7, it also failed, tho I can't remember the earror message. Support said there was a known problem here, and, like Jelle, I had to redefine my library as manual. I saved the definitions, but there on my desktop at the office. Support stepped me thru it in less then 15 minutes. On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jelle Komrij wrote: I don't remember details but when i tried to restore TSM DB tape, during the restore the library dismounted the tape. I resolved that by define a manual tape drive in manual library, not an automated library. Worked fr me. - Origineel Bericht - Van: Michel David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Zondag 20 Januari 2002 16:18 Onderwerp: Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Thank you very much Paul 1) I format the db and log files. 2) Our DB-BACKUP is on ONE TAPE only. Small DB ~10Mb(because all the files are more than 1GB) 3) We make the commit=yes 4) We don't have the VOLUME HISTORY butg we found the tapes with DSMSERV DISPLAY function. 5) We work according to the Administrator's Guide 6) We tried other tapes from other library. It works fine. 7) All the DB-BACKUP tapes seems to be corrupted (how?) --- Do you know how to recover without the DBBACKUP with only the DATA TAPES ? It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
Don't know if this helps, but check this message explanation: ANR4584E Database restore terminated - incomplete input volume list. Explanation: The list of volumes needed for the restore operation was incomplete. At least one volume needed for the restore operation is missing from the end of the list. System Action: The database restore is terminated. User Response: If you are using a DSMSERV RESTORE DB command with the VOLUMENAMES parameter specified, verify that all the volumes within a database backup operation are included in the list. Ensure that all the volume names are specified in the correct sequential order. For a restore with COMMIT=NO, reissue the last restore command. For a restore with COMMIT=YES, restart the restore from the beginning of the full backup. If you are using a DSMSERV RESTORE DB command with the TODATE parameter specified, the server created a list of volumes needed for the restore operation. Examine the volume history files to try to determine the error or use a different volume history file if available. You can also restore the database by specifying the volume names for each restore operation up to the desired point in time. You can go to the following link to research other error messages (however, I don't see the messages for the 3.7 version (Thanks Tivoli!!)): http://www.tivoli.com/support/public/Prodman/public_manuals/td/StorageManage rMessages4.2.html HTH, Dylan - Original Message - From: Michel David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:53 AM Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
I ran into a very similar problem. It came down to the RESTORE FAILED BECAUSE I didn't put COMMIT=YES. There always seems to be an implied commit at the end of the task. But not here. Add that to the end of your command Matt -Original Message- From: s frederic johanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: This rings a bell. When I moved to a larger machine, on V3R7, it also failed, tho I can't remember the earror message. Support said there was a known problem here, and, like Jelle, I had to redefine my library as manual. I saved the definitions, but there on my desktop at the office. Support stepped me thru it in less then 15 minutes. On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jelle Komrij wrote: I don't remember details but when i tried to restore TSM DB tape, during the restore the library dismounted the tape. I resolved that by define a manual tape drive in manual library, not an automated library. Worked fr me. - Origineel Bericht - Van: Michel David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Zondag 20 Januari 2002 16:18 Onderwerp: Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Thank you very much Paul 1) I format the db and log files. 2) Our DB-BACKUP is on ONE TAPE only. Small DB ~10Mb(because all the files are more than 1GB) 3) We make the commit=yes 4) We don't have the VOLUME HISTORY butg we found the tapes with DSMSERV DISPLAY function. 5) We work according to the Administrator's Guide 6) We tried other tapes from other library. It works fine. 7) All the DB-BACKUP tapes seems to be corrupted (how?) --- Do you know how to recover without the DBBACKUP with only the DATA TAPES ? It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Override exclude.fs in cloptset Possible ?
Hello, Does anybody know if there is way to override the exclude.fs command given in a cloptset (which is allowed to be override). We need this because we run 2 backups on the same machine (at different times). 1 schedule starts the normal incremental backup with a preschedcmd and a postschedcmd to export/stop and restart the database. So all filesystems are backuped up (except the notesfilesystems). In the cloptset of this machine alle notes filesystemes are excluded (because the notes db isn't down during normal backup) Now we want to make a (temporary) schedule at a different time to backup only the notes filesystems (again we do a shutdown /restart before/after the backup) to a different management class. Unfortunately I can't override the exclude.fs of the cloptset, even when I use a local inclexcl.opt file which is : include /noteslog backup_14 include /lotus backup_14 The only solution I can think is : remove the exclude.fs /noteslog and /notes from the cloptset and put it in a seperate inclexcl.opt file for normal backup, and, include it in the inclexcl.opt file of the second schedule (with the wright management class). This setup only involves that somebody can change the dsm.sys (or inclexcl.opt) file on the system itself, and we want to avoid this,(even if only root users can change it). Does somebody has another solution ? For my secondschedule : If I do dmsc incremental -optfile=notesdsm.opt /noteslog /lotus will the preschedulecmd and postschedulecmd of the cloptset for that machine also be executed ? If yes (what I think), and I don't want my Oracle DB to shutdown twice in one night, do I have to remove the preschedulecmd and postschedulecmd from the cloptset, and also put it in a seperate options file ? (only for normal incremental backup). I hope you all understand the situation, anyway, Thank you in advance !! Regards, Wouter V. Unix System Engineer PS. The client machine is an AIX machine (TSM client = 4.2.1.15) TSM Server is on the same machine (4.2.1.19).
Re: problem with 3494 library after TSM upgrade from 3.7.4 to 4. .2.1.7
I would definitely update the AIX patch level and drivers to make sure everything is right. Also, you may need the microcode in the drives updated to the current level. Does smitty only show these tape drives? Or as some kind of reconfiguration occurred that has things messed up? -Original Message- From: Steve Roder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problem with 3494 library after TSM upgrade from 3.7.4 to 4..2.1.7 I would delete the drive and library defintions, and redefine them to TSM. If they define ok, them checkin your scratch tapes, followed by the private tapes. If you cannot redefine the library and drives, then I would look at upgrading atape and atldd, and removing the devices from the ODM, and running cfgmgr. Hi everybody! 3494 Library with four 3590 tape drives dont want to mount volumes after TSM upgrade runnig on aix 4.3.3 from 3.7.4 to 4.2.1.7 Error mesage from tsm console is : ANR8304E Time out error on drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) in library 3494LIB1. ANR8472I Error reading label of volume in drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) of library 3494LIB1. ANR8311E An I/O error occurred while accessing drive 3494DRV11 (/dev/rmt0) for OFFL operation, errno = 22. failed. ANR8310E An I/O error occurred while accessing library 3494LIB1. any help would be great! Steve Roder, University at Buffalo HOD Service Coordinator VM Systems Programmer UNIX Systems Administrator (Solaris and AIX) TSM/ADSM Administrator ([EMAIL PROTECTED] | (716)645-3564 | http://ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu/~tkssteve)
Re: Override exclude.fs in cloptset Possible ?
What about using 2 different node names with different cloptset settings. That is typically the way things like this are done. Your DSM.SYS will have 2 stanzas in it. One for each server. You use the -se option to set which stanza comes into play. -Original Message- From: Wouter V [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Override exclude.fs in cloptset Possible ? Hello, Does anybody know if there is way to override the exclude.fs command given in a cloptset (which is allowed to be override). We need this because we run 2 backups on the same machine (at different times). 1 schedule starts the normal incremental backup with a preschedcmd and a postschedcmd to export/stop and restart the database. So all filesystems are backuped up (except the notesfilesystems). In the cloptset of this machine alle notes filesystemes are excluded (because the notes db isn't down during normal backup) Now we want to make a (temporary) schedule at a different time to backup only the notes filesystems (again we do a shutdown /restart before/after the backup) to a different management class. Unfortunately I can't override the exclude.fs of the cloptset, even when I use a local inclexcl.opt file which is : include /noteslog backup_14 include /lotus backup_14 The only solution I can think is : remove the exclude.fs /noteslog and /notes from the cloptset and put it in a seperate inclexcl.opt file for normal backup, and, include it in the inclexcl.opt file of the second schedule (with the wright management class). This setup only involves that somebody can change the dsm.sys (or inclexcl.opt) file on the system itself, and we want to avoid this,(even if only root users can change it). Does somebody has another solution ? For my secondschedule : If I do dmsc incremental -optfile=notesdsm.opt /noteslog /lotus will the preschedulecmd and postschedulecmd of the cloptset for that machine also be executed ? If yes (what I think), and I don't want my Oracle DB to shutdown twice in one night, do I have to remove the preschedulecmd and postschedulecmd from the cloptset, and also put it in a seperate options file ? (only for normal incremental backup). I hope you all understand the situation, anyway, Thank you in advance !! Regards, Wouter V. Unix System Engineer PS. The client machine is an AIX machine (TSM client = 4.2.1.15) TSM Server is on the same machine (4.2.1.19).
Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem
Why does the migration process cause a (large) delay for my backups (mediawait) ? I don't understand why backup can't continue while TSM is migrating the data from disk to tape ? There is still enough place in the diskpool ! Can anybody give me any hints are recommandations ? Thank you in advance !! Wouter V. Storage Device EstimatedPctPct High Low Next Stora- Pool NameClass NameCapacity Util Migr Mig Mig ge Pool (MB) Pct Pct --- -- -- - - --- --- ARCHIVEPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 BACKUPPOOL DISK 16,720.0 63.3 57.160 30 PTAPE_POOL PTAPE_POOL TAPE_CLASS 1,907,340.4.6 100.0 1000 0 SPACEMGPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 Process Process Description Status Number -- --- 31 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 42790, Moved Bytes: 1,297,846,272, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 2,043,904 Current output volume: 13. 32 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 6854, Moved Bytes: 1,225,912,320, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 14,446,592 Current output volume: 06. Sess Comm. Sess Wait Bytes Bytes Sess Platform Client Name Number Method StateTimeSent Recvd Type -- -- -- -- --- --- - - 11,683 ShMem IdleW 22.6 M 1.7 K 1.1 K Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,684 ShMem Run 0 S 18.7 K 6.2 G Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,685 ShMem IdleW 11.3 M 858 821 Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,697 Tcp/Ip IdleW 27.1 M 3.5 M 9.0 K Node WinNTNEWTON 11,698 Tcp/Ip MediaW 20.5 M 714 235.8 M Node WinNTNEWTON 11,703 Tcp/Ip IdleW 21.1 M 3.4 M 650 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,704 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.7 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,705 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.6 M 354 3.9 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,706 Tcp/Ip IdleW 20.6 M 34.8 M 840 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,709 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.6 M 465.0 K 1.1 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,710 Tcp/Ip MediaW 19.0 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,711 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.5 M 680.0 K 501 Node WinNTACSL1 11,712 Tcp/Ip MediaW 18.9 M 354 8.9 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,714 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.4 M 1.8 M 589 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,715 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.7 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,716 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.6 M 515 819 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,717 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.5 M 354 5.3 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,718 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.5 M2.2 M 546 Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 more... (ENTER to continue, 'C' to cancel) 11,720 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.8 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,721 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.7 M 360 10.7 K Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,722 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.1 M2.9 M 534 Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,723 Tcp/Ip IdleW 7.1 M3.2 M 541 Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,724 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.4 M2.6 K 1.1 K Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,725 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.1 M 409 64.0 M Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,726 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.2 M 406 424.5 K Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,727 Tcp/Ip IdleW 7.2 M2.4 M 611 Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,728 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.3 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,729 Tcp/Ip IdleW 6.6 M1.7 M 537 Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,730 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.1 M 354 5.2 K Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA
Re: 3494 Library/Drive Problem
Make absolutely sure you are running the latest Magstar Drivers and Magstar Microcode. I think you have reserve release problem and possibly you have not setup sharing correctly for this environment. Remember, new drivers were required for Solaris 7 and up because of the 64 bit stuff. -Original Message- From: Luke Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3494 Library/Drive Problem Hi, Environment: 3494 Library with three B1A drives Two Solaris 8 Servers with TSM 4.1.4.5 SCSI connections from both servers to each drive, so that they are shared between the two servers. Our problem is that when we start three sessions directly to tape on Server 1 the drives go to polling status on Server 2. We then will stop a session on Server 1, start one directly to tape on Server 2 and oftentimes the drive will go to unavailable status. Also, it may show unavailable on only one server for a while, even when it is in use by that server (tape loaded and being written to). I've included some information that hopefully is helpful below. Thank you all in advance. From Server1: Library Name 3494 Library Type349X Device 3494a ACS Id- Private Category 300 Scratch Category301 External Manager- Shared YES Device Class Name3590 Device Access StrategySequential Storage Pool Count 1 Device Type 3590 Format 3590C Est/Max Capacity - Mount Limit DRIVES Mount Wait (min) 60 Mount Retention (min) 1 Label Prefix ADSM Library 3494 Directory - Server Name- Retry Period - Retry Interval- Server two is exactly the same. Luke Dahl NASA - Jet Propulsion Laboratory 818-354-7117
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
Based on our experiences I have to agree. We have both AIX and Windows TSM Server. The call support is indistinguishable, both very good to excellent depending on the problem. Windows TSM Server has had a tremendous number of feature improvements over the last 18 months. Particularly in the performance arena. To me the only limiting factor is the hardware architecture of the Intel platform now. Not that Tivoli supports one or the other better. The install processes have been greatly improved with the last couple of releases as well. In general, I see the storage area of IBM and Tivoli focused on the Windows platform as strong or stronger than any other platform. -Original Message- From: Joshua S. Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Putting all the OS/HW dogma aside, IBM/Tivoli doesn't support TSM on NT as seriously as it does on other, more 'expensive' platforms. I absolutely disagree with this statement. IBM is investing more development dollars on the Windows TSM server than any other platform. -- Joshua S. Bassi Freelance Consultant IBM Server/Storage Sales Rep. IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM Cell (408)(831) 332-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
why incremental backup process took a long time?
the incremental backup took a long time to complete the process not same as before, see the details below: 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects inspected: 498,544 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects backed up: 96 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects updated: 2 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects rebound: 0 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects deleted: 2 02 11:11:23 Total number of objects failed: 12 02 11:11:23 Total number of bytes transferred: 1.21 GB 02 11:11:23 Data transfer time: 119.12 sec 02 11:11:23 Network data transfer rate:10,714.47 KB/sec 02 11:11:23 Aggregate data transfer rate: 32.27 KB/sec 02 11:11:23 Objects compressed by:0% 02 11:11:23 Elapsed processing time: 10:59:11 from the dsmched.log, it contains several entries of this messages: 01/20/2002 02:17:46 ANS1898I * Processed88,000 files * 01/20/2002 02:18:49 ANS1898I * Processed88,500 files * 01/20/2002 02:18:49 ANS1898I * Processed89,000 files * 01/20/2002 02:19:52 ANS1898I * Processed89,500 files * . . . . 01/20/2002 xx:xx:xx ANS1898I * Processednn,nnn files * what was the cause of this? any help from you is really appreciated, regards Zosi Noriega
Re: What qualifies as an in use license?
Bill is right, I have run into this many times out in the field. -- Joshua S. Bassi Freelance Consultant IBM Server/Storage Sales Rep. IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM Cell (408)(831) 332-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Mansfield Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Daniel, sorry, but that's not correct. Two registered nodes on the same physical machine requires only one purchased license. Check with Tivoli. You are permitted to register additional licenses on the TSM server to cover this situation. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc Daniel Sparrman daniel.sparrman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @EXIST.SE cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 01/17/2002 09:04 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager HP Superdome requires a tier 3 license. This is calculated based on processor, and system type. A tier 3 managed license is not a cheap license. So for special occasions the price goes up. When registering two nodes on the same machine, and then accessing the TSM server with both nodes, you have 2 managed systems for LAN in use. This should mean that it's not the physical machine that is a managed system, but rather each registred node that is accessing the server. For clustered Windows NT/2000 machines, you need 3 licenses if the cluster contains two clusternodes; one for each local system, and one for the virtual cluster system. This is also an exampel of how licensing works; it's not the physical machine, rather the nodename that is accessing the server. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Bill Mansfield WMansfield@SOLUTIONTECHNTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OLOGY.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Dist StorSubject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-01-17 15:14 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Yes, now you've got the spirit of the thing. There are all kinds of special cases when you get into high performance or clustered systems, and short of an authoritative answer from Tivoli, you just have to interpret the rules as best you can, and document your reasoning in case anybody ever asks. In the case of an SP at least, the letter refers to frame, which is a well-defined SP term, so in a hypothetical three frame SP environment, you would probably need three licenses. How this translates to other multicomputer aggregations (Sun E15K, HP SuperDome) I don't know. I'm pretty sure that a plain old rack of servers requires one license per. Good question on clusters. From the TSM server point of view, only one of the cluster nodes will be sending data across the SAN, so a strict reading of the letter would imply that only one MGSYSSAN license is required, but your guess is as good as mine here. Wanda got it right in her note yesterday. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc Zlatko Krastev/ACIT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] acit@ATTGLOBA cc: L.NET Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 01/16/2002 06:43 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Bill, thank you for pointing me this. Usualy the main difference between USA and EMEA announcement letters is the number and I easily found the section you pointed in EMEA Letter ZP00-0350. So I was wrong and admit it. However there is no strict definition of the terms managed system and managing system. If this is the box, not the OS image what happens in the following scenarios: - SP with more than one frame - several servers running PSSP, PE, Parallel ESSL, GPFS, LoadLeveler either in separate boxes or in a single rack but w/o SP
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
Hi everybodySeems like every time this question comes up, there is a hundred messages coming up on the list.Everybody seems to have a different approach on wich os to use.As I said earlier, normally the choice of os is dependent on skill and knowledge. If you're used to Windows NT/2000, the expected choice of os for TSM is NT/2000.If you're used to UNIX, the normal choice would be UNIX as os for TSM.But I don't agree with all people saying that Windows scales like UNIX.As Zlatko pointed out, Intel based machines normally have one PCI bus for example. This is a bottleneck when using high level disksystems, tape systems and other performance equipment.And, I also agree with Zlatko on the point that I wish TSM would come out for Linux. Linux is more stable than Windows, and runs on the intel platform.Best RegardsDaniel Sparrman---Daniel SparrmanExist i Stockholm ABBergkllavgen 31D192 79 SOLLENTUNAVxel: 08 - 754 98 00Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51Joshua S. Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]2002-01-18 21:54 PSTPlease respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: bcc: Subject: Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Putting all the OS/HW dogma aside, IBM/Tivoli doesn't support TSM onNT as seriously as it does on other, more 'expensive' platforms.I absolutely disagree with this statement. IBM is investing moredevelopment dollars on the Windows TSM server than any other platform.--Joshua S. BassiFreelance Consultant IBM Server/Storage Sales Rep.IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, SharkTivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSMCell (408)(831) 332-4006[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AIX , TSM and Onbar
1. Yes. In ADSM client 3.1 there is XBSA library libXapi.a with bsashr10.o in it. In v3.7 and later it is sold separately and is called TDP for Informix. For AIX 4.2.1 the latest client available is ADSM v3.1. 2. You do not need to reformat the hard drive to install new application. Look at ADSM v3.1 client U468051.README.API.AIX42 file or TDP for Informix Installation and User's Guide. The instructions there are very straightforward. - Ensure the user (root or informix) starting the Informix server is having DSMI_something API client environment variables set correctly. - Ensure environment variable BAR_BSALIB_PATH=path_to_bsashr10.o is exported (ADSM) or parameter BAR_BSALIB_PATH is set in onconfig (TDP for Informix) - Do not forget password access should be Generate and password has to be initialized. In TDPI this can be done with tdpipswd command. onbar is incapable to handle this TSM authentication information (yet. Maybe in IDS 9.4 we can see the DB2 command backup to tsm, probably not). - sm_versions file needs only to be edited and Informix server started/restarted. DO NOT use 'oninit -i' or there will be nothing left to backup. - in case of problems file /tmp/bar_act.log can help if not overriden by BAR_ACT_LOG parameter in onconfig. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Danny H Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17.01.2002 12:06:38 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AIX , TSM and Onbar Jason, If you go to http://www.geocities.com/maury.geo/onbar.html you should find all the information you need to correctly configure TSM to work with onbar. One idea that springs to mind is to ensure your sysutils database is set-up correctly so that onbar knows what storage manager it's looking for in the first place. The easiest way to do that is to put the information in to your sm_versions file but if I remember correctly this requires the database instance to be reinitialised (oninit -i). If you can't reinitialise then update the sysutils database directly. I believe that bsashr10.o is part of TDP for Informix. You can try the following command to add bsashr10.o to the ibsad001.a library. If you do, it is at your own risk: ar -q /usr/lib/ibsad001.a bsashr10.o Regards, Danny Williams Systems Management Specialist IBM Global Services - Integrated Technology Services Date:Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:21:10 + From:Jason Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AIX , TSM and Onbar I currently have the following error when invoking the OnBar utility. exec():0509 - 036 Cannot load program onbar because of the following errors: 0509-150 Dependant module /usr/lib/ibsad001.a ( bsashr10.o ) could not be loaded 0509 - 152 Member bsashr10.o is not found in archive. I have installed the API on the new server and set up links etc. Current environment. TSM 4.1.0 with API Loaded. Informix 7.24.UC5 - Newly built ADSM Server. AIX 4.2.1 ADSM 3.1.2.20 with API Loaded. As above. - Original Server. AIX 4.3.3 I have tried the ar -x on the library mentioned in the install notes. And indeed bsashr10.o could not be found in the archive. Would anyone be able to confirm the following:- Under ADSM 3.1 did the API contain bsashr10.o ? Was there a For TSM 4.1 , do I need to install Tivoli Data Protection for Informix ? Is bsashr10.o contained in TDP for Informix ? Can you run Onbar without TDP for Informix under TSM 4.1 ? Any help would be appreciated Regards Jason
delete old backup version with tdp for oracle
Is the something that know a method for delete old version of backup when use rman and tdp for oracle ? Can i delete the old version from Tivoli with any tivoli command ? many thank's in advance
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
Thank you very much Paul 1) I format the db and log files. 2) Our DB-BACKUP is on ONE TAPE only. Small DB ~10Mb(because all the files are more than 1GB) 3) We make the commit=yes 4) We don't have the VOLUME HISTORY butg we found the tapes with DSMSERV DISPLAY function. 5) We work according to the Administrator's Guide 6) We tried other tapes from other library. It works fine. 7) All the DB-BACKUP tapes seems to be corrupted (how?) --- Do you know how to recover without the DBBACKUP with only the DATA TAPES ? It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
I don't remember details but when i tried to restore TSM DB tape, during the restore the library dismounted the tape. I resolved that by define a manual tape drive in manual library, not an automated library. Worked fr me. - Origineel Bericht - Van: Michel David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Zondag 20 Januari 2002 16:18 Onderwerp: Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Thank you very much Paul 1) I format the db and log files. 2) Our DB-BACKUP is on ONE TAPE only. Small DB ~10Mb(because all the files are more than 1GB) 3) We make the commit=yes 4) We don't have the VOLUME HISTORY butg we found the tapes with DSMSERV DISPLAY function. 5) We work according to the Administrator's Guide 6) We tried other tapes from other library. It works fine. 7) All the DB-BACKUP tapes seems to be corrupted (how?) --- Do you know how to recover without the DBBACKUP with only the DATA TAPES ? It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
Thanks to everybody who contributed. There's been some really useful information. My understanding is that a single AIX box will scale further and perform better than a Windows machine (indulge me by assuming that we don't stuff 8 processors into the Windows box). However the downside of this is that we should have AIX skills. We don't. So let's scale out (as Microsoft like to say, but then they would; they can sell more licenses...). We currently have over 200 clients, incremental backup fluctuates between 100 300 GB per 24 hours. Can anybody give me some guideance on how many boxes, and of what size, I should consider? AIX fans: Please feel free to contribute your spec as well! Once again thanks for all the info. I never expected TSM to be such fun! BTW, apologies for having igniting another UNIX vs Windows firestorm. Pete. Powered by telstra.com
4.1 SCO Unixware client
I anybody out there using the 4.1 SCO Unixware client to backup Open Unix 8? If so, how's it working for you? Thanks, Kelly J. Lipp Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. PO Box 51313 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com (719)531-5926 Fax: (240)539-7175
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
But we unfortunately are discussing the server. It is TSM influenced. The clients are chosen from application requirements perspective. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Seay, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 18.01.2002 22:33:04 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Our experience in the last 4 months is both are equally supported. You might have had an isolated case. In fact, server patches for AIX and Windows come at the same time and the client on Windows appears to be the most likely to get fixed quicker.
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
The number I would be more interested in is the size of your database. How many files are you backing up, revisions of each file, will you be using SAN (disk or tape), and what is your tape technology. -Original Message- From: wptw63 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Thanks to everybody who contributed. There's been some really useful information. My understanding is that a single AIX box will scale further and perform better than a Windows machine (indulge me by assuming that we don't stuff 8 processors into the Windows box). However the downside of this is that we should have AIX skills. We don't. So let's scale out (as Microsoft like to say, but then they would; they can sell more licenses...). We currently have over 200 clients, incremental backup fluctuates between 100 300 GB per 24 hours. Can anybody give me some guideance on how many boxes, and of what size, I should consider? AIX fans: Please feel free to contribute your spec as well! Once again thanks for all the info. I never expected TSM to be such fun! BTW, apologies for having igniting another UNIX vs Windows firestorm. Pete. Powered by telstra.com
Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB:
I can say this, there is no documented way to do it. The database has no interfaces to update it directly so you could not create the entries in it to my knowledge. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Thank you very much Paul 1) I format the db and log files. 2) Our DB-BACKUP is on ONE TAPE only. Small DB ~10Mb(because all the files are more than 1GB) 3) We make the commit=yes 4) We don't have the VOLUME HISTORY butg we found the tapes with DSMSERV DISPLAY function. 5) We work according to the Administrator's Guide 6) We tried other tapes from other library. It works fine. 7) All the DB-BACKUP tapes seems to be corrupted (how?) --- Do you know how to recover without the DBBACKUP with only the DATA TAPES ? It is difficult to help you. Many of us run V4 of TSM and do not have the messages manual for V3. The complete message text for the 8337 would be helpful. It sounds like it is trying to tell you how the recovery log will be handled. Are you sure you have the DEVCONFIG setup correctly for a restore. Did you format the files to receive the Database and recovery logs? Did you follow the Administrator's Guide for recovery based on your specific scenario? I am presuming that you do not have the VOLHISTORY file to work with. Are you specifying COMMIT=YES? See the example command here. dsmserv restore db devclass=8MM volumenames=tape01,tape02 commit=yes Are sure the DBBACKUP is on a single tape, that it is not a multi-volume? Are you positive your DB Backups have been running correctly? I suspect folks are having trouble helping you without this information. -Original Message- From: Michel David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: **PLEASE HELP ** 4584E : in DSMSERV RESTORE DB: Hi everybody. Thank you, Richard who tried to help us. Here is the problem: TSM3.7.4 NT-SERVER SP5 FULL DB-BACKUP on tapes 8MM AIT2. We DON'T USE INCREMENTAL DB BACKUP. We have some tapes with DBBACKUP on them. We try DSMSERV RESTORE DB on them This falls on every TAPE ! The Library starts to work. 1)It choose the tape. 2)BEFORE the tape is INSIDE we get 8337:Recovery log 3) The Tape is inside. 4) 4638I REstore Backup Series 129 5) 4583E Imcomplete volume list error. 6) The recovery stops. 7) The tape is ejected I think that the 2) is not normally. ? Has someone an idea. ? Thank you very much! Michel DAVID MARNET __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work?
We routinely use our STORServer 400/500 platform in an environment of this size: Windows 2000 Server on Intel Dual (or perhaps quad) processor, 1 GB memory and ~300 GB or so of disk space. We use AIT2 (currently) tape technology and have plenty of time for reclamation, etc. This configuration works well for us. I also know of a another site that uses a quad Dell Xeon 700 Mhz system to backup about twice as much daily as you suggest. Their tape technology is STK 9840 which is considerably faster than AIT (and practically anything else for that matter). Works fine. So, yes, you can handle fairly large environments with a Windows platform. And depending on how adamant you are about staying with a platform, independent of scalability, you can always add another system and split the load. Although that shouldn't be necessary in this case. Kelly J. Lipp Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. PO Box 51313 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com (719)531-5926 Fax: (240)539-7175 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Seay, Paul Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? The number I would be more interested in is the size of your database. How many files are you backing up, revisions of each file, will you be using SAN (disk or tape), and what is your tape technology. -Original Message- From: wptw63 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TSM Server on Windows - Does it work? Thanks to everybody who contributed. There's been some really useful information. My understanding is that a single AIX box will scale further and perform better than a Windows machine (indulge me by assuming that we don't stuff 8 processors into the Windows box). However the downside of this is that we should have AIX skills. We don't. So let's scale out (as Microsoft like to say, but then they would; they can sell more licenses...). We currently have over 200 clients, incremental backup fluctuates between 100 300 GB per 24 hours. Can anybody give me some guideance on how many boxes, and of what size, I should consider? AIX fans: Please feel free to contribute your spec as well! Once again thanks for all the info. I never expected TSM to be such fun! BTW, apologies for having igniting another UNIX vs Windows firestorm. Pete. Powered by telstra.com
Re: Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem
If he has more than two tape drives he may try increasing the number of drives. Also, a couple hours before his backups each night I recommend that he do a force migration by updating the LO and HI to appropriate numbers and after the migration is complete set it back to normal. This way he starts out with the backup pool trimmed. Ultimately, this backuppool is too small for this configuration. The recommendation is about the size of what you are going to backup to a pool during an incremental cycle. -Original Message- From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem This happens if the disk pool fills and migration can't keep up. When the client starts a transaction with the server the server is asked to create enough room for the data. In the case where the diskpool is full, that space will be in the nextstg pool usually tape. So that client is then waiting for media. This happens to most of the clients at this point resulting in the q session you are seeing. Backuppool is not very large in your configuration. You might try lowering high migration to 50 and see if migration can stay ahead of newly arriving data. Kelly J. Lipp Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. PO Box 51313 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com (719)531-5926 Fax: (240)539-7175 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wouter V Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem Why does the migration process cause a (large) delay for my backups (mediawait) ? I don't understand why backup can't continue while TSM is migrating the data from disk to tape ? There is still enough place in the diskpool ! Can anybody give me any hints are recommandations ? Thank you in advance !! Wouter V. Storage Device EstimatedPctPct High Low Next Stora- Pool NameClass NameCapacity Util Migr Mig Mig ge Pool (MB) Pct Pct --- -- -- - - --- --- ARCHIVEPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 BACKUPPOOL DISK 16,720.0 63.3 57.160 30 PTAPE_POOL PTAPE_POOL TAPE_CLASS 1,907,340.4.6 100.0 1000 0 SPACEMGPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 Process Process Description Status Number -- --- 31 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 42790, Moved Bytes: 1,297,846,272, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 2,043,904 Current output volume: 13. 32 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 6854, Moved Bytes: 1,225,912,320, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 14,446,592 Current output volume: 06. Sess Comm. Sess Wait Bytes Bytes Sess Platform Client Name Number Method StateTimeSent Recvd Type -- -- -- -- --- --- - - 11,683 ShMem IdleW 22.6 M 1.7 K 1.1 K Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,684 ShMem Run 0 S 18.7 K 6.2 G Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,685 ShMem IdleW 11.3 M 858 821 Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,697 Tcp/Ip IdleW 27.1 M 3.5 M 9.0 K Node WinNTNEWTON 11,698 Tcp/Ip MediaW 20.5 M 714 235.8 M Node WinNTNEWTON 11,703 Tcp/Ip IdleW 21.1 M 3.4 M 650 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,704 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.7 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,705 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.6 M 354 3.9 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,706 Tcp/Ip IdleW 20.6 M 34.8 M 840 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,709 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.6 M 465.0 K 1.1 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,710 Tcp/Ip MediaW 19.0 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,711 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.5 M 680.0 K 501 Node WinNTACSL1 11,712 Tcp/Ip MediaW 18.9 M 354 8.9 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,714 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.4 M 1.8 M 589 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,715 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.7 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,716 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.6 M 515 819 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,717 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.5 M 354 5.3 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,718 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.5 M2.2 M 546 Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 more... (ENTER to continue, 'C' to cancel) 11,720 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.8 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,721 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.7 M 360 10.7 K Node WinNT
Re: Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem
This happens if the disk pool fills and migration can't keep up. When the client starts a transaction with the server the server is asked to create enough room for the data. In the case where the diskpool is full, that space will be in the nextstg pool usually tape. So that client is then waiting for media. This happens to most of the clients at this point resulting in the q session you are seeing. Backuppool is not very large in your configuration. You might try lowering high migration to 50 and see if migration can stay ahead of newly arriving data. Kelly J. Lipp Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. PO Box 51313 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com (719)531-5926 Fax: (240)539-7175 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wouter V Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Storage Pool Migration and Mediawait question/problem Why does the migration process cause a (large) delay for my backups (mediawait) ? I don't understand why backup can't continue while TSM is migrating the data from disk to tape ? There is still enough place in the diskpool ! Can anybody give me any hints are recommandations ? Thank you in advance !! Wouter V. Storage Device EstimatedPctPct High Low Next Stora- Pool NameClass NameCapacity Util Migr Mig Mig ge Pool (MB) Pct Pct --- -- -- - - --- --- ARCHIVEPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 BACKUPPOOL DISK 16,720.0 63.3 57.160 30 PTAPE_POOL PTAPE_POOL TAPE_CLASS 1,907,340.4.6 100.0 1000 0 SPACEMGPOOL DISK 0.00.00.090 70 Process Process Description Status Number -- --- 31 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 42790, Moved Bytes: 1,297,846,272, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 2,043,904 Current output volume: 13. 32 MigrationDisk Storage Pool BACKUPPOOL, Moved Files: 6854, Moved Bytes: 1,225,912,320, Unreadable Files: 0, Unreadable Bytes: 0. Current Physical File (bytes): 14,446,592 Current output volume: 06. Sess Comm. Sess Wait Bytes Bytes Sess Platform Client Name Number Method StateTimeSent Recvd Type -- -- -- -- --- --- - - 11,683 ShMem IdleW 22.6 M 1.7 K 1.1 K Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,684 ShMem Run 0 S 18.7 K 6.2 G Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,685 ShMem IdleW 11.3 M 858 821 Node AIX BWB_ONT 11,697 Tcp/Ip IdleW 27.1 M 3.5 M 9.0 K Node WinNTNEWTON 11,698 Tcp/Ip MediaW 20.5 M 714 235.8 M Node WinNTNEWTON 11,703 Tcp/Ip IdleW 21.1 M 3.4 M 650 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,704 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.7 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,705 Tcp/Ip MediaW 21.6 M 354 3.9 K Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,706 Tcp/Ip IdleW 20.6 M 34.8 M 840 Node WinNTEINSTEIN 11,709 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.6 M 465.0 K 1.1 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,710 Tcp/Ip MediaW 19.0 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,711 Tcp/Ip IdleW 18.5 M 680.0 K 501 Node WinNTACSL1 11,712 Tcp/Ip MediaW 18.9 M 354 8.9 K Node WinNTACSL1 11,714 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.4 M 1.8 M 589 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,715 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.7 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,716 Tcp/Ip IdleW 16.6 M 515 819 Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,717 Tcp/Ip MediaW 16.5 M 354 5.3 K Node WinNTITF_TRA 11,718 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.5 M2.2 M 546 Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 more... (ENTER to continue, 'C' to cancel) 11,720 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.8 M 354 22.2 K Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,721 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.7 M 360 10.7 K Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,722 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.1 M2.9 M 534 Node WinNTBWB_TRA1 11,723 Tcp/Ip IdleW 7.1 M3.2 M 541 Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,724 Tcp/Ip IdleW 9.4 M2.6 K 1.1 K Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,725 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.1 M 409 64.0 M Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,726 Tcp/Ip MediaW 9.2 M 406 424.5 K Node WinNTNOTES_TRA 11,727 Tcp/Ip IdleW 7.2 M2.4 M 611 Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,728 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.3 M 354 22.3 K Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,729 Tcp/Ip IdleW 6.6 M1.7 M 537 Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA 11,730 Tcp/Ip MediaW 7.1 M 354 5.2 K Node WinNTBSC_NT3_TRA
Ultrium Tape Drive...read on for Flash summary
Please read on Attention: Customers utilizing a Host Bus Adapter (HBA) which allows (or defaults) the maximum scatter gather list (MAXIMUMSGLIST) parameters to a value below hex 41 (decimal 65) in conjunction with Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) V4.1 or V4.2 lanfree data movement feature on Windows 2000 servers or storage agents with IBM Ultrium tape drives. We have identified a problem in this environment when the configuration of the HBA specifies too small of a value for the MAXIMUMSGLIST parameter. As a result, the tape data written by TSM may not be recoverable. Version 8.0.8.0 of the Qlogic HBA changed the default such that the setting is too small for TSM. If you are running this version or higher, you are exposed. Other adapters may also be exposed to this problem. For details please refer to the Flash on the Tivoli Storage Manager Website: http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/ Sam Giallanza
Re: Tape Reclamation
What is the reason to have the tape unavailable? If is just the lack of slots in the library then the ADSM/TSM way to do it is overflow location as Stuart pointed. If it is broken tape or similar - restore volume 20 from copypool and then perform reclamation. Think for status 'UNAVAILABLE' as something bad and for 'DESTROYED' as very bad. Under normal circumstances you should not have any such volumes. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Karen Mikacenic [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 16.01.2002 21:17:23 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Tape Reclamation When a tape reclamation starts for tape 25, the volume is mounted into the drive, but ADSM also requests the mounting of tape 20 which is not in the library (manually marked unavailable). It is extremely difficult to reclaim tapes without knowing what tapes are associated to each other. I think this is happening when a file is written across tapes. Is there a easy way to know what tapes are needed to reclaim one tape? I would prefer if there was not a spanning/association across tapes so that when tape 25 was reclaimable, it could be reclaimed without requiring tape 20. A lot of tapes do not get reclaimed because of this. Does everyone have this problem or is it something peculiar to me. I run ADSM Server for Windows NT Version 3 Release 1 Level 2.30 on NT 4.0 SP4. Here is the activity log: 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR0984I Process 814 for SPACE RECLAMATION started in the BACKGROUND at 05:00:26. 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR1040I Space reclamation started for volume 25, storage pool BKTAPPOOL (process number 814). 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR1044I Removable volume 20 is required for space reclamation. 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR1044I Removable volume 25 is required for space reclamation. 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR8324I DLT volume 20 is expected to be mounted (R/O). 01/16/2002 05:00:26 ANR8324I DLT volume 25 is expected to be mounted (R/O). 01/16/2002 07:55:22 ANR1420W Read access denied for volume 20 - volume access mode = unavailable. 01/16/2002 07:55:22 ANR0986I Process 814 for SPACE RECLAMATION running in the BACKGROUND processed 44399 items for a total of 18,477,974,075 bytes with a completion state of FAILURE at 07:55:22. 01/16/2002 07:55:22 ANR1081W Space reclamation terminated for volume 25 - storage media inaccessible. The tapes look like this: Volume Name 25 Storage Pool Name BKTAPPOOL Device Class Name DLT7000 Estimated Capacity (MB) 106160.8 Pct Util 22.2 Volume Status FULL Access READWRITE Pct. Reclaimable Space 78.0 Scratch Volume? Yes In Error State? No Approx. Date Last Written 2002-01-08 21:43:28.00 Approx. Date Last Read 2002-01-16 07:00:54.00 Last Update Date/Time2002-01-07 21:24:10.00 Volume Name 20 Storage Pool Name BKTAPPOOL Device Class Name DLT7000 Estimated Capacity (MB) 76014.9 Pct Util 97.5 Volume Status FULL Access UNAVAILABLE Pct. Reclaimable Space 2.4 Scratch Volume? Yes In Error State? No Number of Writable Sides 1 Number of Times Mounted 9 Write Pass Number 1 Approx. Date Last Written 2002-01-08 05:32:02.00 Approx. Date Last Read 2002-01-07 12:52:12.00 I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you Karen Mikacenic -TSG 425 945 5137 425 562 5257 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unigard Insurance 15805 NE 24th St. Bellevue, WA 98008
Re: migration options
Isn't TSM v4.2 for OS/390 an option for you. It could leverage your current ESCON 3590 inverstments with the new functionality. If you are one of the shops which prefer one-time charge for mainframes, are Linux-oriented and avoid MVS, then in my personal opinion you nearly hit the main reason not to have recent TSM version on VM. Looking for larger DLT library is not an option only for Veritas. TSM on AIX will be more than happy to serve you with larger library. And if you need to have new one instead of expanding existing library I would recommend you to investigate LTO as well. Veritas on Intel cannot compete with TSM on AIX with right arguments. So prepare for the battle and enjoy the victory. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant cc52 [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07.01.2002 23:26:34 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:migration options We are trying to determine what our options are in moving forward from tsm 3.x to 4.x. We have split our load across a TSM AIX 3.7 system and a TSM VM 3.1. We also have Veritas running for an NT Exchange Server. Our Intel folks have been trying to get us to move in the Veritas direction, however that tape system is quite limited (Small DLT library). The AIX and VM are sharing a 3494/3590-E1A library with around 200-300 tapes in it. Our main problem is that we have invested heavily in ESCON connections to the 3494 lib but TSM VM seems to have been deadended for some time. What have other VM TSM users moved to? Again with our hardware the OS/390 TSM seems to be the only other possibility, unless Tivoli comes out with a LINUX/390 Server. The VM version has been so trouble free and so easy to manage its really hard to understand Tivoli's determination to eliminate the platform. Ron Greve SDSU Computing Services
Re: What changed from TSM Server 3.7.2. to 4.1.1?
Look for redbook SG24-6110-00 Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Rupp Thomas (Illwerke) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11.01.2002 18:39:38 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:What changed from TSM Server 3.7.2. to 4.1.1? Hi TSM'ers, our IBM CE just upgraded our NSM from TSM 3.7.2 to 4.1.1. Is there a book or web site where I can see what changed between this two releases? Kind regards Thomas Rupp Vorarlberger Illwerke AG MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEL:++43/5574/4991-251 FAX:++43/5574/4991-820-8251 -- Dieses eMail wurde auf Viren geprueft. Vorarlberger Illwerke AG --
Re: TSM, extending backup storage
This is good idea but I think there are other aspects to take into account: - in case of RAID array failure you should have a copy pool to restore. You can make file copypool but you cannot send disks off-site so easy. And how to perform reclamation of off-site disks! So complete avoidance of tapes will be hard. - price of the library itself is high but later price on cartridges is not. Tape storage is still cheaper. LTO cartridge will hold 100GB uncompressed data, with compression is more. Two 73 GB disks or one 180 GB for the same capacity would weight over $1000. - you forget to take into account the electricity (V * A = W, W * h = $). If you have to hold the backups for a month or a quarter calculate the power consumption too. It is approx. 0.5W/GB so for 4 TB you will have more than 2kW only from disk. And if you have to keep 2 or 5 year archives ... - if disk extension is easy for you, tape is easier. Add new disk, (re)build RAID array, define raw volume or filesystem, define TSM pool/volume vs. checkin as scratch. And occasionally hot-swap bays will be short - new enclosure to be delivered, cabling, maybe new adapter and even someday new cabinet, etc. - think about growth rate of data being backed up. Disk pool does not have overflow location. For a small shop this might be very good solution. However data tends to grow very fast. Calculate what-if scenario for buying library now and if you buy it after a year or two. For sure you will be forced to do it. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Rooij, FC de [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 11.01.2002 09:04:45 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:TSM, extending backup storage Question: I think about a huge diskpool without migration to tape. Is there a limitation on the size of the diskpools? If not, are there things I have not thought about? The backup-service is separated from the original data by a dedicated building located 1 Km away from the original! I think we have a lot of benefits: * quicker restores * no waiting for the availability of tapeunits * less administrative overhead * migration from disk -- tape * no reclamation * less processor use * the admininistrative window will decrease, so the backup window can increase * no ATL * No tape-units * Easy exctending of storage capacity * ...? I am aware this is a strange idea, but why not? with regards, Fred de Rooij Corus Information Services - Enterprise Services %+31 (0) 251 492215 - Fax : +31 (0) 251 471153 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
offsite
Hello, I am new to offsite backup concept. of TSM. Recent , I copied the primary storage pool to a copy storage pool. Then I made access offsite to these volumes belonging to copy pool. Last I checked-out them. Next day (just to try) I checked-in the offsite volumes and made access field as readwrite. Now the point is: Before those operations, q libv output was: Library Name Volume Name Status Owner Last Use Home Element --- -- -- - 3583LIB 101ACF Private Data 4 10 Now the output is: Library Name Volume Name Status Owner Last Use Home Element --- -- -- - 3583LIB 101ACF Private 4 116 What happened the LAST USE=Data field of all check-ed out volumes? Is it the nature of the game or did I do something wrong? By the way volumes stil contains data when I look output of q vol Regards, Burak
Re: VM TSM migration options: Veritas vs Netbackup
There has been a lot of recent discussion on the list about the subject area of Veritas on Intel versus TSM. The comments here are for everyone, not the author of the question, nothing is personally meant by any comments here. Bottomline, NetBackup doesn't scale at all. We are ripping it out of the Windows environment right now. We worked for 18 months with Veritas Engineering to try to fix the product. They simply gave up. The word compete should not even be put in the same sentence when speaking of Netbackup vs TSM on Intel. If you have less than 20 clients to backup and none with over 50GB of data, Netbackup will be OK. That is if you never need to create duplicate offsite copies or need a deleted file policy. Duplication on Windows is an impossibility in the Netbackup world unless you buy 4 times the hardware you have in comparison to TSM and a 24 to 72 hour window to create those duplicates. Deleted file policy, Netbackup, asks what is a policy? No such animal, so you get stuck when you do not catch that a file has been deleted before your tapes expire in Netbackup. The key word here is tape expiration, not backup object expiration. NetBackup has no such thing as storage management. I refer to it as NetBackup, GrossNoRestore. In other words, NetBackup backs up some of your stuff, but you will never be able to restore it all. Yeah, UNIX is next. After the debacles of implementing 3.4 of Netbackup, Veritas really dug the grave deep. Oh, I forgot to mention that our Windows Netbackup 3.4 migration lead to a down (backups lost) situation for weeks and we ended up figuring out what the problems were. Because we lost half the performance from 3.2 to 3.4 on Windows, we were faced with needing to change. More or better hardware would not fix the problem, hell, we are using ESS disk and Magstar FC tape with high-end servers. Before the migration we were getting 4.5MB/sec and up to 10 in certain situations. Veritas could not figure out how we were getting these levels of performance. They could not reproduce them with our own server and identical hardware in their labs. Simply, Netbackup cannot scale in the Windows environment. I consider myself an expert on Netbackup and a knowledgeable person on TSM. I believed the Netbackup hype, thought the product was the best because it had the features that I thought were needed. When actually, implementing you find out the features differences with TSM are gimmicks to get you to buy and really never scale making them unusable. These gimmicks cause you to overlook the real issue of being able to restore your business, which implies having control and the ability to direct what is backed up. Netbackup's GUI is impressive, it is the registry hackers dream. Wait till all the timeout crap hits the fan and you start tweaking registry entries, creating undocumented touch files and finding out there is poor to non-existent Windows support at Veritas for Netbackup when you have a critical problems. When you are paying 23% maintenance from a large account you would think that having half a dozen critical down situation open calls would get someone from Development engaged to work with your account. We finally surmised these people did not exist anymore. Yes, TSM has its quirks and customers have lost data over the years, but probably mostly of their own doing and not really learning the TSM product. After 911, everyone should be taking backup and recovery at a different seriousness. If not, you are in the wrong business. That means if you are not an expert in the backup product you are using and doing regular disaster recovery tests, then shame on you, get to be an expert. If you are not capable, choose a vendor that has support, Tivoli is one of them. The shame if it is we automatically set the support expectation bar 2 notches higher when it is an IBM company, but we will pay more to a fly-by-night organization and make excuses for them when they do not answer the phone. This all said make your NetBackup/TSM decision on facts, not likes or dislikes. Your business depends on you getting this right and ultimately your job and reputation. Consider one final note. Your understanding of TSM is an irreplaceable asset. You could spend 50K training people alone on Netbackup and still not be able to support the product. The cost of TSM is much less than Netbackup in the long term. See if you can work a deal with IBM to convert your drives to FC or SCSI for a nominal fee. The staying with TSM carrot may be all that is needed to push the button hard enough to get someone's attention. ESCON is relatively slow compared to SCSI and fibre channel. FICON is a different story. If you have MVS, that is ultimately the cheapest answer to your problem. -Original Message- From: Zlatko Krastev/ACIT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: migration options Isn't TSM v4.2 for OS/390 an
Re: offsite
You will find that you can still read/write data to these volumes. The last use is just a record of how the volume was used the last time it was mounted based on what I know. I do not know for sure if move drmedia is a DRM module only feature, but the move drmedia would be a better choice to transfer tapes to/from the vault. -Original Message- From: Burak Demircan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: offsite Hello, I am new to offsite backup concept. of TSM. Recent , I copied the primary storage pool to a copy storage pool. Then I made access offsite to these volumes belonging to copy pool. Last I checked-out them. Next day (just to try) I checked-in the offsite volumes and made access field as readwrite. Now the point is: Before those operations, q libv output was: Library Name Volume Name Status Owner Last Use Home Element --- -- -- - 3583LIB 101ACF Private Data 4 10 Now the output is: Library Name Volume Name Status Owner Last Use Home Element --- -- -- - 3583LIB 101ACF Private 4 116 What happened the LAST USE=Data field of all check-ed out volumes? Is it the nature of the game or did I do something wrong? By the way volumes stil contains data when I look output of q vol Regards, Burak
