Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Wanda, THANK YOU so much for that concise and thorough TSM licensing lesson. We are going through a huge hassle right now. I think my manager has made contact with someone (finally) who understands the maze of TSM licensing, but I will definitely pass your email on to him. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/25/2004 01:35:04 PM: > Hi Joe, > > Thanks for your response. > > You are right, the way the TSM server counts licenses has nothing to do with > what you are required to buy. In TSM V2 and V3 it did, but in V4 and V5 > they changed the buying requirements, but didn't much change the server > code. > > of some VERY GOOD STUFF!
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Hi Joe, Thanks for your response. You are right, the way the TSM server counts licenses has nothing to do with what you are required to buy. In TSM V2 and V3 it did, but in V4 and V5 they changed the buying requirements, but didn't much change the server code. I understand your frustration with not getting a straight answer on licensing. Last year when we tried to renew our maintenance agreeement, we got 3 different quotes from 3 different people; lowest was 10K, highest was 30K, middle (the correct one) was 18K. I work with an IBM Business partner, we sat down and STUDIED the doc available on the Tivoli Business partner site. The doc explaining what you have to buy is there, but many BP's don't bother to read it or don't understand it; MANY give you incorrect quotes because they don't understand that workstations and servers are licensed differently (and many of their customers back up only servers, so I suspect the question never comes up). Here is the actual deal for what you are required to buy: There are 2 TSM server products: TSM V5 and TSM V5 Extended Edition. They have different product numbers. If you do NOT need DRM, HSM, or Server to Server, and your tape library has at most 40 slots, you qualify for TSM V5; if not you must buy Extended Edition. There is NO charge for a TSM server; you can run as many as you like. You are charged based on the number of machines you back up. The charge is higher per client under TSM V5 EE than TSM V5. The TSM server counts as a server being backed up. A CLIENT/WORKSTATION is a computer that provides NO SERVICES to another computer. If you have a big machine with 4 processors that is used by an engineer to do CAD drawings and DOESN"T PROVIDE SERVICES to other machines on your network, that is a WORKSTATION. If you have a very tiny old machine with 1 processor that is used as a firewall or print server, that machine is providing services to other machines, so it counts as a SERVER. You count the number of CLIENT/WORKSTATIONs you have; each one needs 1 CLIENT/WORKSTATION license. For your SERVER machines, you count the number of physical processors in all the machines to get the number of SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses you need. SO if you have, say, 2 stand-alone graphics boxes and 5 desktop PC's to back up, you would need 7 CLIENT/WORKSTATION licenses. The number of processors in those machines is irrelevant. If you have 5 servers with 4 processors and 3 servers with 2 processors that you back up, you would need to buy 26 SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses. (5*4 + 3*2). SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses cost more than CLIENT/WORKSTATION licenses; so IT'S IMPORTANT to get your count correctly. Many VARS will ask you "how many processors do you have, it's licensed by processor...", but that AIN'T SO for workstations. If you are backing up any workstaions, MAKE SURE your VAR's bid breaks out those two numbers, or you'll be charged too much. If you have more than 1 TSM node name registered for one of your servers, that doesn't matter. You don't have to buy more licenses. The TDP's have their OWN product numbers. They are also licensed by the number of processors in the machines where the TDP is installed. Each machine must ALSO be counted in your SERVER/PROCESSOR count for the basic TSM client, because you have to install the basic client along with the TDP (to get the API code). That's it, in terms of paying for client licenses. And that has nothing to do with the number of client licenses you register with the REGISTER LICENSE command. You register one MGSYSLAN license for each node name you will have defined to TSM. And as you see from prevous discussions, in V4 IBM stated clearly that you were not required to have licenses for machines that had not backed up in over 30 days. For V5, nobody seems to be sure what the cutoff date is... Hope that was some help. Wanda Prather "I/O, I/O, It's all about I/O" -(me) -Original Message- From: Joe Crnjanski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes Hi Wanda, I was always confused with whole licensing business. Nobody can give you straight answer what is server and what is workstation. Even when you talk to passport advantage you can get different answer which license you need to buy. On the top of that I don't understand how TSM counting licenses. In my case it is different from number of registered nodes and it is different from number of filespaces. I ran your query and my oldest client on the list is from March/31/2003. So maybe you are right. This is about year old. This is one more variable in whole licensing stuff. Now is even more confusing. My server: tsm on windows 5.1.8.2 Joe Crnjanski Infinity Network Solutions Inc. Phone: 416-235-0931 x26 Fax: 416-235-0265 W
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Sorry to bring this up again, but... I KNOW that in TSM 4.1, the server behavior was to stop counting the licenses after 30 days of non-use. It was documented in the server README (I think that's where it was), and I verified it on our running systems. I have not seen it documented anywhere for 5.1 or 5.2; has anyone? I sat down and checked mine; I checked the data in the license_details table against the output of q license, and it APPEARS that my license manager (TSM 5.1.6.2) is counting all the clients that have connected in approx. the last YEAR. But it's hard for me to be sure since this server isn't much older than that. Could some of you please check yours and let me know? (also what server version you have) select license_name,node_name, date(last_used) from license_details order by 3 Thanks Wanda Prather -Original Message- From: PAC Brion Arnaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes Nancy, Sorry to tell you that, but I'm facing the same problem as you, with nodes being inactive since much more than 30 days, and still using licenses. I already questioned the list without success :-( Arnaud Brion *** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Reeves Sent: Tuesday, 09 March, 2004 16:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30 days, that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate? That is quite a wrinkle! Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 09:44:48 AM: > >I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE > >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. > ... > > I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a > count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License > will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly, > invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days. > > Richard Sims
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
David, a little of my history with tsm is in order. I have been with it since v1 r1. Back then there wasn't any audit license command or any other tool to tell me what the usage was. I asked the salesman how to figure it out and he had no clue either. I developed my own reports using db2 (tsm didn't have sql until v3) to get a count of nodes in use and to license accordingly. Consequently, I have never relied on the audit license table; I set the mansyslan count to to keep it from whining at me. I have always relied on outside info to order licenses. Basically I agree with you; the audit license command does not give meaningful information, especially since it can't tell which of the servers clients are themselves servers and how many processors are in each. - bill At 12:25 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >And none of what you writes makes the TSM software audit of licenses >meaningful. You have to know OUTSIDE of what TSM can tell who which >nodes are desktops and which are servers and how many processors are in >the server machines. Then tell TSM uopir are licensed for enough nodes >to make it shut up because there is no longer a meaninful mapping >between what the software considers a license and what IBM marketing >considers a license. > >david > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/10/2004 10:23:01 AM >>> >David, > >IBM still does charge by node if you say the node is not a server. > >It is up to us, the customers, to characterize the machines to be >backed up >and then buy the proper number and kind of licenses. > >If you say a machine is a single user desktop, even if it has 2 >processors and >has more raw power than some of your servers, you need just 1 desktop >license which >is about a fifth of the price of a server license. > >The TSM pricing model is now function based. The license to backup a >server is more >expensive because the value to you is greater than the value of an end >user desktop backup. > >Hope this helps, > >Bill Colwell > > >At 08:04 AM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >>Nancy, >> >>As far as I can tell it no longer matters what the TSM software >thinks >>you have as far as number of nodes; just tell it you have enough to >make >>it shut up. >> >>The reason it no longer matters is that IBM no longer charges you by >>node but by processor and the TSM software auditing component does >not >>know about processors. TSM software auditing is a relict of a >simpler >>day. >> >>David >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/8/2004 5:30:52 PM >>> >>We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or >>5.2) >>and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we >>are >>using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use >>(of >>200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the >>discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? >> >> >>Nancy Reeves >>Technical Support, Wichita State University >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 > >-- >Bill Colwell >C. S. Draper Lab >Cambridge Ma. -- Bill Colwell C. S. Draper Lab Cambridge Ma.
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
And none of what you writes makes the TSM software audit of licenses meaningful. You have to know OUTSIDE of what TSM can tell who which nodes are desktops and which are servers and how many processors are in the server machines. Then tell TSM uopir are licensed for enough nodes to make it shut up because there is no longer a meaninful mapping between what the software considers a license and what IBM marketing considers a license. david >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/10/2004 10:23:01 AM >>> David, IBM still does charge by node if you say the node is not a server. It is up to us, the customers, to characterize the machines to be backed up and then buy the proper number and kind of licenses. If you say a machine is a single user desktop, even if it has 2 processors and has more raw power than some of your servers, you need just 1 desktop license which is about a fifth of the price of a server license. The TSM pricing model is now function based. The license to backup a server is more expensive because the value to you is greater than the value of an end user desktop backup. Hope this helps, Bill Colwell At 08:04 AM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >Nancy, > >As far as I can tell it no longer matters what the TSM software thinks >you have as far as number of nodes; just tell it you have enough to make >it shut up. > >The reason it no longer matters is that IBM no longer charges you by >node but by processor and the TSM software auditing component does not >know about processors. TSM software auditing is a relict of a simpler >day. > >David > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/8/2004 5:30:52 PM >>> >We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or >5.2) >and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we >are >using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use >(of >200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the >discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > >Nancy Reeves >Technical Support, Wichita State University >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 -- Bill Colwell C. S. Draper Lab Cambridge Ma.
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
David, IBM still does charge by node if you say the node is not a server. It is up to us, the customers, to characterize the machines to be backed up and then buy the proper number and kind of licenses. If you say a machine is a single user desktop, even if it has 2 processors and has more raw power than some of your servers, you need just 1 desktop license which is about a fifth of the price of a server license. The TSM pricing model is now function based. The license to backup a server is more expensive because the value to you is greater than the value of an end user desktop backup. Hope this helps, Bill Colwell At 08:04 AM 3/10/2004, you wrote: >Nancy, > >As far as I can tell it no longer matters what the TSM software thinks >you have as far as number of nodes; just tell it you have enough to make >it shut up. > >The reason it no longer matters is that IBM no longer charges you by >node but by processor and the TSM software auditing component does not >know about processors. TSM software auditing is a relict of a simpler >day. > >David > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/8/2004 5:30:52 PM >>> >We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or >5.2) >and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we >are >using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use >(of >200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the >discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > >Nancy Reeves >Technical Support, Wichita State University >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 -- Bill Colwell C. S. Draper Lab Cambridge Ma.
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Nancy, As far as I can tell it no longer matters what the TSM software thinks you have as far as number of nodes; just tell it you have enough to make it shut up. The reason it no longer matters is that IBM no longer charges you by node but by processor and the TSM software auditing component does not know about processors. TSM software auditing is a relict of a simpler day. David >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/8/2004 5:30:52 PM >>> We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
OK... well, then I don't know what the discrepancy is. There could be some problem in the code related to licensing; something is ringing a vague bell in my head about nodes registered earlier that have since been removed, but the license count was not decremented. But I can't say for sure. Talk to your sales rep. While 4.1 is no longer supported, the sales rep might be able to engage support enough to at least answer the question. Off the top of my head, I don't know/recall. Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/09/2004 08:26 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. The SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' command returned 75. I have 3 nodes defined that have never contacted the server, 2 test definitions and 1 real brand new node, thus the difference of 3 there. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 08:05:22 AM: > OK, wait a second... > > When you say you "... ran a license audit ..." to see what you are using > now, do you mean that in the generic sense, i.e. "I ran QUERY LICENSE" to > audit my license usage? Or do you mean that you actually ran the AUDIT > LICENSE command? If the former is the case, then go ahead and try the > AUDIT LICENSE command. > > Andy Raibeck > IBM Software Group > Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development > > Subject > Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > Try running the AUDIT LICENSE command. After that completes, run QUERY > LICENSE again. See if that makes any difference. > > Also run > >SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' > > just to confirm the number of nodes in use (if you haven't already done > that). > > Regards, > > Andy > > Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject > Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > That table name does not exist on my TSM server. > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 > 04:36:41 PM: > > > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in > use. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > > Nancy Reeves > > Technical Support, Wichita State University > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
>So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30 days, >that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate? Nancy - I would like to believe that. :-) If memory serves me: as of a couple of years ago at least, the license management was not done by TSM software, but by third-party software, with TSM having only indirect control of it; so what we see may not be exactly what we would like to see/need to see. As you've no doubt seen in many postings about licenses, too much surrounding it is like trying to read tea leaves... There isn't as much computer science in this as we might expect. Richard Sims
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Nancy, Sorry to tell you that, but I'm facing the same problem as you, with nodes being inactive since much more than 30 days, and still using licenses. I already questioned the list without success :-( Arnaud Brion *** Panalpina Management Ltd., Basle, Switzerland, CIT Department Viadukstrasse 42, P.O. Box 4002 Basel/CH Phone: +41 (61) 226 11 11, FAX: +41 (61) 226 17 01 Direct: +41 (61) 226 19 78 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Reeves Sent: Tuesday, 09 March, 2004 16:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30 days, that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate? That is quite a wrinkle! Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 09:44:48 AM: > >I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE > >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. > ... > > I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a > count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License > will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly, > invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days. > > Richard Sims
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
One for the pot... IBM are charging per processor Surely TSM License auditing is now totally unrealistic for most activities?? Just an observation! -Original Message- From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 March 2004 15:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30 days, that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate? That is quite a wrinkle! Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 09:44:48 AM: > >I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE > >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. > ... > > I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a > count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License > will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly, > invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days. > > Richard Sims This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. The content of this e-mail may have been changed without the consent of the originator. The information supplied must be viewed in this context. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify our Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 20-7444-8444. Any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail or its attachments is strictly prohibited.
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30 days, that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate? That is quite a wrinkle! Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 09:44:48 AM: > >I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE > >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. > ... > > I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a > count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License > will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly, > invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days. > > Richard Sims
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
>I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. ... I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly, invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days. Richard Sims
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78. The SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' command returned 75. I have 3 nodes defined that have never contacted the server, 2 test definitions and 1 real brand new node, thus the difference of 3 there. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/09/2004 08:05:22 AM: > OK, wait a second... > > When you say you "... ran a license audit ..." to see what you are using > now, do you mean that in the generic sense, i.e. "I ran QUERY LICENSE" to > audit my license usage? Or do you mean that you actually ran the AUDIT > LICENSE command? If the former is the case, then go ahead and try the > AUDIT LICENSE command. > > Andy Raibeck > IBM Software Group > Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development > > Subject > Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > Try running the AUDIT LICENSE command. After that completes, run QUERY > LICENSE again. See if that makes any difference. > > Also run > >SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' > > just to confirm the number of nodes in use (if you haven't already done > that). > > Regards, > > Andy > > Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject > Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > That table name does not exist on my TSM server. > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 > 04:36:41 PM: > > > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in > use. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > > Nancy Reeves > > Technical Support, Wichita State University > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
OK, wait a second... When you say you "... ran a license audit ..." to see what you are using now, do you mean that in the generic sense, i.e. "I ran QUERY LICENSE" to audit my license usage? Or do you mean that you actually ran the AUDIT LICENSE command? If the former is the case, then go ahead and try the AUDIT LICENSE command. Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/09/2004 06:59 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes Sorry, I just noticed that you already tried running AUDIT LICENSE... Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/09/2004 06:58 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes Try running the AUDIT LICENSE command. After that completes, run QUERY LICENSE again. See if that makes any difference. Also run SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' just to confirm the number of nodes in use (if you haven't already done that). Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/08/2004 15:53 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Sorry, I just noticed that you already tried running AUDIT LICENSE... Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/09/2004 06:58 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes Try running the AUDIT LICENSE command. After that completes, run QUERY LICENSE again. See if that makes any difference. Also run SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' just to confirm the number of nodes in use (if you haven't already done that). Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/08/2004 15:53 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message----- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Try running the AUDIT LICENSE command. After that completes, run QUERY LICENSE again. See if that makes any difference. Also run SELECT COUNT(*) FROM NODES WHERE PLATFORM_NAME<>'(?)' just to confirm the number of nodes in use (if you haven't already done that). Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence. Nancy Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/08/2004 15:53 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
do a ' q node' >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/8/2004 5:53:31 PM >>> That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Sorry that must be a 5.x table! -Original Message- From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 8, 2004 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
That table name does not exist on my TSM server. Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860 "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/08/2004 04:36:41 PM: > Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. > > -Original Message- > From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes > > We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) > and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are > using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of > 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the > discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? > > > Nancy Reeves > Technical Support, Wichita State University > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Issue "Select * from license_details" to see which nodes are showing in use. -Original Message- From: Nancy Reeves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 8, 2004 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860
TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
We are in the process of ordering a TSM upgrade (from 4.1 to 5.1 or 5.2) and are having pricing issues. I ran a license audit to see what we are using now and it showed 108 "Managed System for LAN" licenses in use (of 200), but we only have 78 nodes registered. I do not understand the discrepancy. Can anyone explain it to me? Nancy Reeves Technical Support, Wichita State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 316-978-3860