Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
Fine by me. Dave Shlomi Fish wrote: [Note to Dave Goehrig: we'd like clarification regarding the essay you wrote that is currently found on the "Perl Begin wiki" that is linked below] On Monday 10 July 2006 03:14, Jacinta Richardson wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Jacinta! With your permission I'd like to move the present and future content of the Perl-Begin MediaWiki: http://perl-begin.berlios.de/site-resources/wiki/ To http://perl.net.au/ . Go ahead! The more the merrier. OK, thanks. Regarding the essay you mention, linked to at http://xrl.us/oxve , I would appreciate it if you were to double check with the author before moving it across as I'd hate to impose a CC license on his work without his agreement. Like I said, I don't think he'd mind, but I'm carbon-copying him just in case. We can also mention that at the beginning of the page dedicated for it. Meanwhile I'll start the transfer. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
[Note to Dave Goehrig: we'd like clarification regarding the essay you wrote that is currently found on the "Perl Begin wiki" that is linked below] On Monday 10 July 2006 03:14, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi Jacinta! > > > > With your permission I'd like to move the present and future content of > > the Perl-Begin MediaWiki: > > > > http://perl-begin.berlios.de/site-resources/wiki/ > > > > To http://perl.net.au/ . > > Go ahead! The more the merrier. > OK, thanks. > Regarding the essay you mention, linked to at http://xrl.us/oxve , I would > appreciate it if you were to double check with the author before moving it > across as I'd hate to impose a CC license on his work without his > agreement. Like I said, I don't think he'd mind, but I'm carbon-copying him just in case. We can also mention that at the beginning of the page dedicated for it. Meanwhile I'll start the transfer. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi Jacinta!
>
> With your permission I'd like to move the present and future content of the
> Perl-Begin MediaWiki:
>
> http://perl-begin.berlios.de/site-resources/wiki/
>
> To http://perl.net.au/ .
Go ahead! The more the merrier.
Regarding the essay you mention, linked to at http://xrl.us/oxve , I would
appreciate it if you were to double check with the author before moving it
across as I'd hate to impose a CC license on his work without his agreement.
All the best,
J
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Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
Hi Jacinta! With your permission I'd like to move the present and future content of the Perl-Begin MediaWiki: http://perl-begin.berlios.de/site-resources/wiki/ To http://perl.net.au/ . There isn't too much there and maintaining a mediawiki on the berlios.de servers is painful. I'm already maintaining 5 MediaWiki instances on a different host but I got root there, which helps a lot. perl.net.au seems to be in much better shape anyways, and I'd rather consolidate the stuff there. I promise I'll do it manually and carefully. So far all the content on the Perl-Begin wiki has been authored by me except for the following essay: http://xrl.us/oxve I'm a bit hazy about its licensing, but I know the author has tended to prefer the Public Domain for his code, so I guess this essay will also be OK. Soon I'll set up a wikis page on the perl-begin site. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Sunday 02 July 2006 04:13, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > While I may be invoking Joel's Quarreling Kids Rule here[1], I think a > > central wiki for Perl may be a good idea, not only as a way to > > consolidate all these specialised wiki's, but also to be "The Perl Wiki" > > which everyone will refer to. We can have http://wiki.perl.org/ for easy > > linking and good Google Juice. > > I agree that wikis are a great idea. We have a not-so central one > ourselves over at: > > http://perl.net.au/ > > The original purpose was to provide a Perl portal for Australian Perl > people, businesses and the like. However so far we've found that we > still had more than enough spare space and bandwidth, so we've branched > out and included: > > * Perl 6 FAQ wiki > * Pod indexing wiki (in process of transition) > > as well as all of our own stuff. > > The wiki uses MediaWiki has an active admin population and bots to > reduce the effects of wiki-spam. > > I support the idea of a central wiki, but in the meantime if you want to > use our wiki (which exists, has admins and hosting), you're very welcome. > > All the very best, > > Jacinta -- - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
Peter Scott wrote: When I wanted a wiki I considered MediaWiki but went with TWiki because it is pure perl, doesn't require a database, and AFAICT has just as many capabilities as MediaWiki. Plus it was a lot easier for me to write plugins and ancillary applications for given my level of Perl expertise vs my level of PHP expertise, which may be a factor for other folk maintaining your wiki. I wouldn't trust TWiki on a "open to the public" site. When Socialtext releases their beta I'm planning to play with it and likely setup an instance for the perl community (FWIW). If it is like their hosted system, then it will make it easy to make different "work spaces" for different (sub)communities. Most importantly then I'll feel reasonably safe that the code won't implode on us, and if it does then there'll be several paid maintainers only an IM away. :-) - ask
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
Shlomi Fish wrote: While I may be invoking Joel's Quarreling Kids Rule here[1], I think a central wiki for Perl may be a good idea, not only as a way to consolidate all these specialised wiki's, but also to be "The Perl Wiki" which everyone will refer to. We can have http://wiki.perl.org/ for easy linking and good Google Juice. I agree that wikis are a great idea. We have a not-so central one ourselves over at: http://perl.net.au/ The original purpose was to provide a Perl portal for Australian Perl people, businesses and the like. However so far we've found that we still had more than enough spare space and bandwidth, so we've branched out and included: * Perl 6 FAQ wiki * Pod indexing wiki (in process of transition) as well as all of our own stuff. The wiki uses MediaWiki has an active admin population and bots to reduce the effects of wiki-spam. I support the idea of a central wiki, but in the meantime if you want to use our wiki (which exists, has admins and hosting), you're very welcome. All the very best, Jacinta
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
On Saturday 01 July 2006 08:57, Peter Scott wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:01:46 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Adam Kennedy and I used MediaWiki for win32.perl.org and the Perl-Begin's > > wikis respectively. It's my favourite wiki engine by far, and it's > > probably the wiki engine with most wikitext there written in (by property > > of being used in Wikipedia, and many other wikis). It's written in PHP > > and requires a MySQL database, but that shouldn't matter much to us: > > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/12/advocacy.html [2] > > > > It is derived from UseModWiki, which is a nice easy-to-install and use > > wiki written in Perl, which has become relatively unmaintained by its > > author. UseModWiki has a fork called Oddmuse which should be better. (and > > is also written in Perl). Now the MediaWiki syntax is backwards > > compatible with the UseMod/Oddmuse wikis' one, albeit it has many more > > extensions. I have once installed UseModWiki, but did not try Oddmuse > > yet. > > When I wanted a wiki I considered MediaWiki but went with TWiki because it > is pure perl, doesn't require a database, and AFAICT has just as many > capabilities as MediaWiki. Plus it was a lot easier for me to write > plugins and ancillary applications for given my level of Perl expertise vs > my level of PHP expertise, which may be a factor for other folk > maintaining your wiki. Yes, TWiki is pretty nice too. It seems to be maintained again: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki04/TWikiReleaseNotes04x00x00 Last time I checked it was relatively hard to install, but not impossible see: http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/bits.html Also, its code was reported to be of very bad quality, a situation which may have improved in the later version. I heard some criticisms of the quality of the MediaWiki code too. TWiki has many nice extensions like a Calendar, etc. which even kwiki still lacks. MoinMoin used to have an extensions' page but I can no longer find it there. TWiki will also be nice for wiki.perl.org. Nevertheless, it was not the main issue of the email (which I admit that I also diverted from). The real issue is whether or not we should have such a wiki. What implementation we are going to use for it can be decided upon later. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
Re: Central Wiki for Perl (?)
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:01:46 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Adam Kennedy and I used MediaWiki for win32.perl.org and the Perl-Begin's > wikis respectively. It's my favourite wiki engine by far, and it's probably > the wiki engine with most wikitext there written in (by property of being > used in Wikipedia, and many other wikis). It's written in PHP and requires a > MySQL database, but that shouldn't matter much to us: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/12/advocacy.html [2] > > It is derived from UseModWiki, which is a nice easy-to-install and use wiki > written in Perl, which has become relatively unmaintained by its author. > UseModWiki has a fork called Oddmuse which should be better. (and is also > written in Perl). Now the MediaWiki syntax is backwards compatible with the > UseMod/Oddmuse wikis' one, albeit it has many more extensions. I have once > installed UseModWiki, but did not try Oddmuse yet. When I wanted a wiki I considered MediaWiki but went with TWiki because it is pure perl, doesn't require a database, and AFAICT has just as many capabilities as MediaWiki. Plus it was a lot easier for me to write plugins and ancillary applications for given my level of Perl expertise vs my level of PHP expertise, which may be a factor for other folk maintaining your wiki. -- Peter Scott http://www.perlmedic.com/ http://www.perldebugged.com/
