Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Mark, (1, 2, 3). The fact that you cannot have campaigns (or adgroups within a campaign) with duplicate names has been a standard behaviour in AdWords for quite a while. So having to rename a campaign / adgroup to a never-to-be-used-again name before deleting is something that becomes a requirement (to maintain the uniqueness of name) since you cannot modify a deleted campaign. I'll ask our techwriter to add this on the best practices guide. (4) No, the UI will also start enforcing this requirement instead. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-4, Mark wrote: 1. So if the agreed-upon method of handling 'undelete' is to always rename to a never-to-be-used-again name before removing, then why don't I see it in the documentation somewhere? 2. If it's not possible to unremove an adgroup with the same name (either via an ADD or SET or otherwise), why is this simple fact not in the documentation? 3. If the 201406 version was moving towards a goal by requiring the absurd workaround of renaming before delete, what is that goal? 4. Did the 201502 version have either a fix or a better workaround for this? On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team It's been two and a half months since the last reply on this and the 201402 API has been sunset for a while now. Do you have an update on this? Currently my app is alerting users to manually rename a deleted adgroup so it can create a new adgroup. As you can imagine this is not very practical... It would be great to get clarity as to whether the GUI is going to change to disallow editing of removed adgroups (ie harmonise with how the API currently works) or if the API will re-enable the ability to modify deleted adgroups in the future. Any kind of update would be great please! Cheers David On Monday, 3 November 2014 15:41:43 UTC, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Eric, We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. Cheers, Anash On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
1. So if the agreed-upon method of handling 'undelete' is to always rename to a never-to-be-used-again name before removing, then why don't I see it in the documentation somewhere? 2. If it's not possible to unremove an adgroup with the same name (either via an ADD or SET or otherwise), why is this simple fact not in the documentation? 3. If the 201406 version was moving towards a goal by requiring the absurd workaround of renaming before delete, what is that goal? 4. Did the 201502 version have either a fix or a better workaround for this? On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team It's been two and a half months since the last reply on this and the 201402 API has been sunset for a while now. Do you have an update on this? Currently my app is alerting users to manually rename a deleted adgroup so it can create a new adgroup. As you can imagine this is not very practical... It would be great to get clarity as to whether the GUI is going to change to disallow editing of removed adgroups (ie harmonise with how the API currently works) or if the API will re-enable the ability to modify deleted adgroups in the future. Any kind of update would be great please! Cheers David On Monday, 3 November 2014 15:41:43 UTC, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Eric, We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. Cheers, Anash On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Anash/API Team It's been two and a half months since the last reply on this and the 201402 API has been sunset for a while now. Do you have an update on this? Currently my app is alerting users to manually rename a deleted adgroup so it can create a new adgroup. As you can imagine this is not very practical... It would be great to get clarity as to whether the GUI is going to change to disallow editing of removed adgroups (ie harmonise with how the API currently works) or if the API will re-enable the ability to modify deleted adgroups in the future. Any kind of update would be great please! Cheers David On Monday, 3 November 2014 15:41:43 UTC, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Eric, We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. Cheers, Anash On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.ste...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com javascript: wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com javascript: wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
hi, I confirm that, we can't seem to rename deleted/removed adgroups, adding a new adgroup with same name is also not working, kinda stuck situation... ~~~soap_request hacked~~~ at local time: 13/11/2014 11:10:08 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?soap:Envelope xmlns:soap=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;soap:HeaderRequestHeader xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;developerToken xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;G1kQMsMgonBfFqo-augcQA/developerTokenclientCustomerId xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;7914777630/clientCustomerIduserAgent xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;adCore/userAgentvalidateOnly xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;false/validateOnly/RequestHeader/soap:Headersoap:Bodymutate xmlns=https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201409;operationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid9909637447/idnameMuvit Oortjes_S_bMHDLxAjL_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid9909637567/idnameMuvit Accu_S_lOrN7uWN0_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid9909637807/idnameMuvit Autohouder_S_YWOjFt_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid9909638047/idnameMuvit Autolader_S_zb8rU485_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid9909638167/idnameMuvit Oortjes_L_2d2VYci3_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564423607/idnameJust Mobile Thuislader_S_H1VOFtkQ_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564423967/idnameMuvit Case_S_1_MeU4dnWzA_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564424327/idnameGuess Case_S_4otViF3kW_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564424927/idnameWallytech Oortjes_S_vW0dbf_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564426487/idnameLogilink Thuislader_S_3lcgA4EX_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564426727/idnameOtterbox Case_M_1_ODoVkXEu_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564427687/idnameMuvit Autohouder_M_mdxUBf5_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564428167/idnameMuvit Autolader_M_Y7xTJCv_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564428407/idnameParrot Bluetooth Carkit_M_I5oaZDtD_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564428527/idnameParrot Bluetooth Carkit_L_GRVaFu8Tj_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564428647/idnameGuess Case_M_K4IOrwZj_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564430087/idnameMuvit Oortjes_M_Lj1Ywr62_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564431767/idnameSony Thuislader_M_bwk5zPd_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564432607/idnameLogilink Thuislader_M_tFOL3MUOK_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564432727/idnameJust Mobile Thuislader_M_3U0dlM_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564433327/idnameWallytech Oortjes_M_dmjWk4_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564435007/idnameIskin Case_L_2xa4EOv_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564436567/idnameOlo Case_L_6FLAyky_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564436927/idnameWallytech Oortjes_L_ZzBlWs8X_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564437167/idnameLogilink Thuislader_L_FkVXMtu_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564437767/idnameMuvit Autolader_L_LF8CTRLq_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564438007/idnameMuvit Autohouder_L_p4DLsYoX_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564438367/idnameGuess Case_L_KuOKibTvh_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564438487/idnameUsams Case_L_weVMalq_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564438967/idnameSony Thuislader_L_Xs4SQWgb_mv_adcore_deleted/name/operand/operationsoperationsoperatorSET/operatoroperandid12564439567/idnameJust Mobile
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
We are running into similar issues as discussed above. Not being able to re-enable removed adgroups is going to be a hassle and result in much garbage entities for us. One might consider pausing adgroups instead of removing them (and doing this now through v201402 for all currently removed adgroups before it is too late), but that's so dirty. On Monday, November 3, 2014 4:41:43 PM UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Eric, We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. Cheers, Anash On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.ste...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com javascript: wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapia...@google.com javascript: wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday,
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Eric, We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. Cheers, Anash On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.stephen.m...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Anash, Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to do. Thanks, Eric On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas eric.stephen.m...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Thanks! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Eric, Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. Cheers, Anash On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Anash, Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer going to allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items would still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this thread, it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already used - but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think to look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they can't change it. Thanks, Eric On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) adwordsapiadvisor+an...@google.com wrote: Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi David, The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique name. Cheers, Anash On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post:
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Anash/API Team Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to this problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the renaming of deleted adgroups! Anash, you mentioned: I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them Have you heard from the team? Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/
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Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/b2124c7c-a1ba-499a-8bb9-0e26d206592d%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/38554d15-4bc4-4e23-83b1-a8c61500ada0%40googlegroups.com. For more options,
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Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Anash, thanks for looking into that! Oliver Mariusz, I can't speak for David, but for us, the problem occurs when the user uses the AdWords UI to delete ad groups outside our system. If our system does the deletion, we do rename them before they're deleted (part of the rename includes a timestamp so that it can be created and re-deleted). Thanks for the thoughts, though. Thanks, Greg On Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51:46 AM UTC-5, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this
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Hi all If my software does the deletion, it adds a GUID to the end of the adgroup name prior to deletion to make sure it doesn't risk creating a duplicate in the future if it needs to recreate the adgroup. The problem is when a human makes a mistake and deletes the adgroup and effectively blocks the software from creating it again... Cheers David On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi Mariusz, I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread as I hear from them, Cheers, Anash On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should version deleted adgroups. Imagine: - user creates adgroup “test” - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to “test_del” and then marks as deleted - user creates again adgroup named “test” - user tries to delete it The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you may do in that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to “test_del1”. Cheers, Mariusz On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text _del to all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface rather than your software, then the above won't help. Oliver On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the
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Hi Anash/API Team I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need to know? It would be great to get an answer on this please! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/c045a23a-4d12-4e1e-b223-0245d4224b3f%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Greg I do exactly what you do, but I guess I'm scared that this could be a permanent change and so when v201402 gets retired, we'll be in big trouble! The reason why I put the word bug in the question is to find out if this is by design or an unintended consequence of another update. And the follow-up question would be: if it is by design, has the team considered this senario? This is also odd because it diverges from the UI. Maybe it is a step in a bigger migration? Anash has mentioned earlier in this thread: The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. If this is the future, then I hope we can find a workaround well before v201402 gets retired! Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 22:00:40 UTC+1, GregT wrote: David, it sounds like you do something extremely similar to us. For a workaround, what we've had to do ever since we upgraded to v201406 is leave a small portion of our code at v201402 to just handle this scenario. I.e. all our code is using v201406, except when we run into a case where we want to create an ad group with the same name as a deleted ad group, in which case we call into a separate class that uses v201402 to rename the deleted ad group so that we can now (using v201406) add an ad group with that name. Klunky, but until AdWords brings consistency to this, it works. FYI, Greg On Monday, September 15, 2014 10:16:41 AM UTC-5, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash I've just done a test via the UI (I've already attempted lots via the API) and you cannot name a new adgroup the same name as a deleted adgroup in the same campaign. It would be great if you could get the team to investigate further. Just to confirm, that is not in itself a problem. The problem is that we can't rename the deleted adgroup so we can add an adgroup with the name we want. As far as the API is concerned an adgroup becomes read-only when you remove it. Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts
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Hi API team Sorry to keep chasing on this, but will there be a fix for this or is there a workaround I haven't considered? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/d1628de7-6093-4e00-8e9a-28155e244f9a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/80c3b5a5-3cbc-4ac8-9d6a-bc0f3f48807e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi Anash I've just done a test via the UI (I've already attempted lots via the API) and you cannot name a new adgroup the same name as a deleted adgroup in the same campaign. It would be great if you could get the team to investigate further. Just to confirm, that is not in itself a problem. The problem is that we can't rename the deleted adgroup so we can add an adgroup with the name we want. As far as the API is concerned an adgroup becomes read-only when you remove it. Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/60162cb1-cbc4-4d3b-8a54-e45e50714cea%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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David, it sounds like you do something extremely similar to us. For a workaround, what we've had to do ever since we upgraded to v201406 is leave a small portion of our code at v201402 to just handle this scenario. I.e. all our code is using v201406, except when we run into a case where we want to create an ad group with the same name as a deleted ad group, in which case we call into a separate class that uses v201402 to rename the deleted ad group so that we can now (using v201406) add an ad group with that name. Klunky, but until AdWords brings consistency to this, it works. FYI, Greg On Monday, September 15, 2014 10:16:41 AM UTC-5, David Midgley wrote: Hi Anash I've just done a test via the UI (I've already attempted lots via the API) and you cannot name a new adgroup the same name as a deleted adgroup in the same campaign. It would be great if you could get the team to investigate further. Just to confirm, that is not in itself a problem. The problem is that we can't rename the deleted adgroup so we can add an adgroup with the name we want. As far as the API is concerned an adgroup becomes read-only when you remove it. Cheers David On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if the user deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with the same name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, and I'll ask the team to investigate this further. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/65434933-c587-4493-8c2a-013a8b0f4da2%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
On Monday, September 8, 2014 7:29:07 PM UTC+1, David Midgley wrote: Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? We do a similar thing, I missed that in the release notes. How are google going to handle duplicate names, do we need to rename items to be deleted beforehand now or will duplicates of deleted entries be allowed? Many thanks -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/222c32e2-536e-498e-b828-bcb8e23a65de%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/265db76d-cda7-49b2-87b3-84787d48b1ac%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/98a5f3c3-7532-4352-abea-c50733d79814%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY Bug?
Thanks for the quick response Anash! Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a workaround? We are working on an optimisation application that uses a strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a user accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the error by recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with the same name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name error. Our solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup which enabled us to create the new adgroup. Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our strict naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups between campaigns and is critical to our operations. We could version adgroup names, but this seems pretty untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of labels and more (potentially error-prone) manual work. Can you think of a workaround? Cheers David On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) wrote: Hi David, AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows this behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like the way v201406 works today. Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: Hi I'm having problems with a new OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY error. It appears that you can't undelete an adgroup (ie set any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or even add a keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was previously deleted. This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 versions of the API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. There is mention of this in another post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort:relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ Is this a bug? Is this going to get fixed soon? Cheers David -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To post to this group, send email to adwords-api@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups AdWords API Forum group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to adwords-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/adwords-api. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/adwords-api/d34bca24-8533-4d77-8c81-be8f4d6e98d6%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
