Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

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Hi Dorian,

Thank you for sending the requested information to my colleague. I'm also a 
member of the Google Ads API team and allow me to assist you here. Moving 
forward to your concern, I already raised this feature to the rest of my team 
about retrieving the account hierarchy of all the accounts that authenticated 
users have direct access to. This feature request is subject for review. New 
features will be announced in the Ads API release notes and our blog post as 
well.

Best regards,

Jinky
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

[Dorian Kind]

Hi again,

to follow up on that, one additional advantage of having a tree as opposed 
to a list is in a situation where an account manager wants to select *all* 
accounts 
under a given manager account *except *for a small number of them. In a 
selectable tree that's easy: select the manager account—causing all 
accounts under it to be selected—and then unselect the ones that aren't 
required. In a list, this task is obviously much more difficult.

Thanks & best regards,
Dorian

On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 17:05:50 UTC+2 Dorian Kind wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> thanks for your continued support. Happy to share our main use case, which 
> is account selection in internal web tools—we are a mid-sized agency and 
> currently manage about 800 Google Ads accounts distributed over around 100 
> manager accounts in a hierarchy around 3 to 4 levels deep on average.
> In order to select the proper Ads account on which to run a specific job 
> in such a tool (they're mostly of the housekeeping and quality assurance 
> type), we've experienced that it's easier for account managers to be able 
> to follow the hierarchy of manager accounts in a tree-like view down to the 
> desired account instead of selecting it from a rather large list directly.
> In the Adwords API, implementing such a tree view is simple as it can be 
> done with a single call in the app's backend. While migrating one of our 
> tools to the Ads API, we discovered that we'd now have to do around a 
> hundred calls to get to the same result—which slows down the loading of the 
> tree view significantly, frustrating our users.
>
> I hope this gives some context for a feature request. Feel free to reach 
> out if you need more details.
>
> Best,
> Dorian
>
> On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 08:49:00 UTC+2 adsapi wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorian,
>>
>> Thank you for your reply.
>>
>> I understand the concern on the new implementation of the get account 
>> hierarchy feature. We also are currently not aware of any plans or 
>> direction that this current implementation would be undergoing changes.
>>
>> However, our team could create a feature request, subject for review, 
>> regarding your suggestion in making the implementation less complex. For 
>> our team to do so, could you share your complete use case as well as 
>> relevant details on why the change would be more suitable?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> [image: Google Logo] 
>> Peter Laurence 
>> Google Ads API Team 
>>   
>>
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>>
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

[Dorian Kind]

Hi Peter,

thanks for your continued support. Happy to share our main use case, which 
is account selection in internal web tools—we are a mid-sized agency and 
currently manage about 800 Google Ads accounts distributed over around 100 
manager accounts in a hierarchy around 3 to 4 levels deep on average.
In order to select the proper Ads account on which to run a specific job in 
such a tool (they're mostly of the housekeeping and quality assurance 
type), we've experienced that it's easier for account managers to be able 
to follow the hierarchy of manager accounts in a tree-like view down to the 
desired account instead of selecting it from a rather large list directly.
In the Adwords API, implementing such a tree view is simple as it can be 
done with a single call in the app's backend. While migrating one of our 
tools to the Ads API, we discovered that we'd now have to do around a 
hundred calls to get to the same result—which slows down the loading of the 
tree view significantly, frustrating our users.

I hope this gives some context for a feature request. Feel free to reach 
out if you need more details.

Best,
Dorian

On Thursday, 31 March 2022 at 08:49:00 UTC+2 adsapi wrote:

> Hi Dorian,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> I understand the concern on the new implementation of the get account 
> hierarchy feature. We also are currently not aware of any plans or 
> direction that this current implementation would be undergoing changes.
>
> However, our team could create a feature request, subject for review, 
> regarding your suggestion in making the implementation less complex. For 
> our team to do so, could you share your complete use case as well as 
> relevant details on why the change would be more suitable?
>
> Best regards,
>
> [image: Google Logo] 
> Peter Laurence 
> Google Ads API Team 
>   
>
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

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Hi Dorian,

Thank you for your reply.

I understand the concern on the new implementation of the get account hierarchy 
feature. We also are currently not aware of any plans or direction that this 
current implementation would be undergoing changes.

However, our team could create a feature request, subject for review, regarding 
your suggestion in making the implementation less complex. For our team to do 
so, could you share your complete use case as well as relevant details on why 
the change would be more suitable?

Best regards,

Peter Laurence
Google Ads API Team
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

[Dorian Kind]

Hi Yasar,

I am aware of the fact that the Adwords API services don't always have a 
direct counterpart in the Ads API. My point is really just that a 
fundamental use case (at least for agencies that work with Google Ads) for 
the API is to build a hierarchy of all accessible Ads accounts for a given 
authenticated user, and this use case is* considerably* *more complex to 
implement* in the Ads API compared to the Adwords API. If I understand 
Ernie's and your reply correctly, there's also no plans to change that 
situation.

Best,
Dorian

On Wednesday, 30 March 2022 at 08:57:57 UTC+2 adsapi wrote:

> Hi Dorian,
>
> Thanks for getting back to us.
>
> Kindly note that AdWords API services have greatly changed or been 
> entirely replaced. CustomerService and ManagedCustomerService are 
> significantly different. However, you may check if it suits you to use the 
> *customer_client* 
>  
> report resource to get customer clients using ​​GoogleAdsService.search or 
> GoogleAdsService.searchStream methods.
>
> Regards,
> [image: Google Logo] 
> Yasar 
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

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Hi Dorian,

Thanks for getting back to us.

Kindly note that AdWords API services have greatly changed or been entirely 
replaced. CustomerService and ManagedCustomerService are significantly 
different. However, you may check if it suits you to use the customer_client 
report resource to get customer clients using ​​GoogleAdsService.search or 
GoogleAdsService.searchStream methods.

Regards,

Yasar
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

[Dorian Kind]

Hi Ernie,

Thanks for your response. I have seen the example code that you linked to 
and it still doesn't seem very efficient. It will perform 1+N calls to the 
Ads API, where N is the number of accessible manager accounts for the 
authenticated user. In larger account hierarchies—which are not uncommon 
for an agency—this can mean one has to do a couple hundred calls just to 
get the account structure. In my eyes this is a step back compared to the 
Adwords API, where the same information could be gathered with a single 
call (or a small number of calls, if paging is required) to 
the ManagedCustomerService.

Best,
Dorian

On Tuesday, 29 March 2022 at 05:28:59 UTC+2 adsapi wrote:

> Hi Dorian,
>
> I am also a member of the Google Ads API team and let me provide support 
> to your concern.
>
> It seems that you want to get the account hierarchy of your MCC account. 
> With this, try using this implementation 
> 
>  
> on retrieving account hierarchy.
>
> Let me know if this is what you are looking for. Let me know also if you 
> have further concerns.
>
> Regards,
> [image: Google Logo] 
> Ernie John 
> Google Ads API Team 
>   
>
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RE: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

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Hi Dorian,

I am also a member of the Google Ads API team and let me provide support to 
your concern.

It seems that you want to get the account hierarchy of your MCC account. With 
this, try using this implementation on retrieving account hierarchy.

Let me know if this is what you are looking for. Let me know also if you have 
further concerns.

Regards,

Ernie John
Google Ads API Team
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Re: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

[Dorian Kind]

Hi Sai Teja,

it's been three years without an update. I still believe there's worth in 
having a more efficient way of downloading the whole account hierarchy 
without having to send (number of accessible manager accounts) +1 requests. 
Are you planning on adding some features towards that end?

Best,
Dorian

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> Hello Dorian,
>
> In Google Ads API we don't have a way to get the account hierarchy with 
> the account details and link details in a single call. You have to follow 
> the process you mentioned to build that hierarchy. Adding to the 
> customer_client_link, when you use this resource you would be getting all 
> the links of the manager account (even of the canceled account's). Even 
> with the customer_client resource you will get canceled accounts and it is 
> not possible to filter them out. Out team is aware of the hierarchy(time 
> consuming, more requests) and the account status issues and will update you 
> once I have more information.
>
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>
> Hi,
>
> a common use case we have is to create an tree-like hierarchy of all Ads 
> accounts that are accessible from a given Ads OAuth2 credential. In the 
> Adwords API, it took a single call to the ManagedCustomerService to 
> receive all the information required to build such a data structure.
>
> As far as I can tell so far, in the Ads API the number of calls to build 
> an equivalent hierarchy grows linearly with the number of accounts that are 
> accessible. It seems that we'll have to
>
> 1) Use the customer_client resource to list all reachable accounts
> 2) For each gathered account, set the account's ID as login-customer-id 
> and use the customer resource to obtain account name and type 
> (sub-manager or actual account)
> 3) For each manager account identified in 2), set the account's ID as 
> login-customer-id and use the customer_client_link resource to gather 
> that manager's sub-accounts
>
> I hope I'm misunderstanding something because it looks like the process 
> above could take a while for large accounts structures (we sometimes 
> encounter MCCs with over 1'000 sub-managers and accounts).
>
> Is there a quicker way to get a list of all accessible accounts, including 
> the links between managers and accounts?
>
> Thanks for any feedback and best regards,
> Dorian
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RE: Regarding Client Hierarchy in the Ads API

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Hello Dorian,

In Google Ads API we don't have a way to get the account hierarchy with the
account details and link details in a single call. You have to follow the
process you mentioned to build that hierarchy. Adding to the
customer_client_link, when you use this resource you would be getting all
the links of the manager account (even of the canceled account's). Even
with the customer_client resource you will get canceled accounts and it is
not possible to filter them out. Out team is aware of the hierarchy(time
consuming, more requests) and the account status issues and will update you
once I have more information.

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On 05/02/19 04:59:32 dor...@webrepublic.ch wrote:

Hi,

a common use case we have is to create an tree-like hierarchy of all Ads
accounts that are accessible from a given Ads OAuth2 credential. In the
Adwords API, it took a single call to the ManagedCustomerService to receive
all the information required to build such a data structure.

As far as I can tell so far, in the Ads API the number of calls to build an
equivalent hierarchy grows linearly with the number of accounts that are
accessible. It seems that we'll have to

1) Use the customer_client resource to list all reachable accounts
2) For each gathered account, set the account's ID as login-customer-id and
use the customer resource to obtain account name and type (sub-manager or
actual account)
3) For each manager account identified in 2), set the account's ID as
login-customer-id and use the customer_client_link resource to gather that
manager's sub-accounts

I hope I'm misunderstanding something because it looks like the process
above could take a while for large accounts structures (we sometimes
encounter MCCs with over 1'000 sub-managers and accounts).

Is there a quicker way to get a list of all accessible accounts, including
the links between managers and accounts?

Thanks for any feedback and best regards,
Dorian

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