Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[TJ Trout]

500 NRC per sim

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:19 PM Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:

> Yes, you are right. I had to go look back at the original bill. The 500
> bucks is a one time setup fee for however many statics ip's you require for
> your various  byod, like cradlepoints or Verizon's devices. There is no
> recurring charges for ip's thereafter.
>
> Also you could use a VPN and port forward to get around no static ip
> issue. If it's only one device that seems the most practical route.
> --
> On Thursday, December 27, 2018 Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time
> setup charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then
> a monthly charge of around 50$.
>
> ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps
> download “unlimited”.
>
> How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business
> account or a personal?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Withrow
> via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Tim Withrow
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?
>
>
>
> Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.
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> On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> > I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik
> > with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a
> > datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use
> > a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans.
> > Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not
> > as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a
> > reseller.
>
>
> I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I
> usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for
> this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a
> phone but that's about it.
>
> ~Seth
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[Bill Prince]

I think the ones you're thinking about have "BCM" in the model number 
(for Battery Charge Monitor or something like that).


Most of the ones I know about are made by Altech or Phoenix Contact, or 
a few others.


Finding one that works for 12VDC is a bit of an odd duck; we are almost 
always looking for 24VDC or 48VDC. I did a little poking around and 
found this one from Altech that does 12VDC. Key thing to look for is "DC 
UPS".


https://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-cbi123a/70236424/

bp


On 12/27/2018 4:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember 
if it is a Meanwell product or not.
In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in 
addition to the 120/240 panel.
The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace 
(I bought the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake 
circuit.

I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.
I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery 
charging current as well as load terminals that are not limited.
Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to 
figure out the archive.

And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy.

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[Mathew Howard]

Well, there's this:
https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/Mean-Well/DRC-100A.shtml

The Meanwell stuff is pretty basic... Traco makes some that are a bit more
advanced with temperature compensation and that kind of thing, but I think
those are just a battery charger/ups module that need a separate power
supply. .. I'm also not sure what's available in 12v, since I've only ever
really looked at 24v and 48v.
There's also the Meanwell AD-155A, but the battery charging current is
pretty low on those, so it's probably not the best fit if that's is main
job... they also don't mount to a DIN rail all that well.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:36 PM  wrote:

> I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember if
> it is a Meanwell product or not.
>
> In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in addition to
> the 120/240 panel.
>
> The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace (I
> bought the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake circuit.
>
> I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.
> I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery
> charging current as well as load terminals that are not limited.
>
> Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to figure
> out the archive.
> And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy.
>
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[AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[chuck]

I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember if it is 
a Meanwell product or not.

In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in addition to the 
120/240 panel.

The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace (I bought 
the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake circuit.  

I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.  
I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery charging 
current as well as load terminals that are not limited.

Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to figure out 
the archive.  
And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Yes, you are right. I had to go look back at the original bill. The 500 bucks 
is a one time setup fee for however many statics ip's you require for your 
various  byod, like cradlepoints or Verizon's devices. There is no recurring 
charges for ip's thereafter. 

Also you could use a VPN and port forward to get around no static ip issue. If 
it's only one device that seems the most practical route.
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
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Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time setup 
charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then a monthly 
charge of around 50$. 

ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps 
download “unlimited”.

How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business 
account or a personal?

  

Thanks,

Brandon

  

  

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

  

Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik 
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a 
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use 
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans. 
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not 
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a 
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I 
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for 
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a 
phone but that's about it.

~Seth



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[chuck]

Grew up with AM.  Didn’t know the difference.  Never had a hifi.  
Just an old mono record player and a stack of ancient 78 rpm records.

8 track was my first stereophonic media.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 3:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

At some point I was disappointed to discover that a lot of classic rock songs 
that sound great on the car radio, actually sound no better or even worse on a 
good sound system.  It seems like they were recorded specifically for playing 
on boomboxes and AM car radios.

 

You know the songs I’m talking about, the ones where you crank up the volume 
and pound on the steering wheel, generally 60’s and 70’s vintage.

 

Of course new songs are recorded with earbuds in mind, so again, may not sound 
better on a good system.  At least with earbuds, you don’t inflict your music 
choices on passersby, unlike the cars with 1000 watt amps in the trunk and 
speakers that could probably double as a propulsion system.

 

Excuse me now as I go out to the garage to listen to California Dreamin’.  Or 
maybe some Rolling Stones or Jefferson Airplane.  Or the king of low-fi 
recordings, Louie Louie.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

 

Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate in 
most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and it 
sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium HK stock 
system.

 

... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree with me.


On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the 
cars with XM.


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter  
wrote:

quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what 
you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(


  On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter  
wrote:

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some 
period of time for free. 

  Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like 
it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Ken Hohhof]

At some point I was disappointed to discover that a lot of classic rock songs 
that sound great on the car radio, actually sound no better or even worse on a 
good sound system.  It seems like they were recorded specifically for playing 
on boomboxes and AM car radios.

 

You know the songs I’m talking about, the ones where you crank up the volume 
and pound on the steering wheel, generally 60’s and 70’s vintage.

 

Of course new songs are recorded with earbuds in mind, so again, may not sound 
better on a good system.  At least with earbuds, you don’t inflict your music 
choices on passersby, unlike the cars with 1000 watt amps in the trunk and 
speakers that could probably double as a propulsion system.

 

Excuse me now as I go out to the garage to listen to California Dreamin’.  Or 
maybe some Rolling Stones or Jefferson Airplane.  Or the king of low-fi 
recordings, Louie Louie.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

 

Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate in 
most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and it 
sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium HK stock 
system.

 

... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree with me.


On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the cars 
with XM.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(


On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free. 

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Baird]

"No highs, no lows.. it must be Bose."

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
>> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
>> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
>> HK stock system.
>>
>> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
>> with me.
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
>> cars with XM.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
>>> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

 On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

 because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some
> period of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like
> it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a
> subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Jason McKemie]

Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
> HK stock system.
>
> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
> with me.
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
> cars with XM.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
>> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some
 period of time for free.

 Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like
 it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a
 subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Baird]

Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate in 
most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and it 
sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium HK stock 
system.

... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree with me.

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the 
> cars with XM.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter  
>> wrote:
>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
>> are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter  
 wrote:
 
 because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
 
 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period 
> of time for free. 
> 
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a 
> subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Luthman]

Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
cars with XM.

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> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
>>> of time for free.
>>>
>>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
>>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
>>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Chuck McCown]

Radio astronomers hate xm. Like having a searchlight in their face.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 11:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> I agree.  Slightly better.  We're too far out from most "big" fm stations to 
> continuously get HD channels tho.
> we're 60 miles from most big cities.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
> 
> How do you feel about digital FM?  Sounds better to me than analog. 
>  
> From: Darin Steffl
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:09 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>  
> For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear to 
> hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose 
> speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year model 
> it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via Bluetooth to 
> my vehicles has always sounded better.
>  
> I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play the 
> same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since I've 
> been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm accustomed 
> to great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Similar. Broadcast radio gets limited play time primarily due to
  the excess commercials. Sirius/XM died on launch (for me) simply
  because it was so unreliable. I find that the thing I listen to
  most often are poscasts. I think I have about 15 or 16 of them in
  my queue. There is never a shortage, the ads are minimal, and are
  easy to skip. The quality is usually excellent, but I'm not
  listening to (much) music.


bp



On 12/27/2018 10:31 AM, Forrest
  Christian (List Account) wrote:


  
  My experience back when I had a XM receiver in
place was that the Music stations were tolerable compression,
the Talk ones were good for talk.   Sounded a lot like old time
FM and AM quality, not the newer higher quality broadcasts one
gets today with HD FM and the like.   


Once I found spotify, I quit listening to the radio.   I
  have a quite deep playlist which is set to download so it's
  not reliant on cell coverage (and doesn't burn cell service
  since it only downloads when I'm on wifi).    Every car now
  has a bluetooth-enabled receiver so both myself and my wife
  just uses spotify in the car.   
  
  
  
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 7:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:

We
  just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some
  period of time for free. 
  
  Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound
  like it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would
  anyone pay a subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM
  free?
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I agree.  Slightly better.  We're too far out from most "big" fm stations to 
continuously get HD channels tho.
we're 60 miles from most big cities.

  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio


  How do you feel about digital FM?  Sounds better to me than analog.  

  From: Darin Steffl 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:09 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

  For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear to 
hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose 
speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year model 
it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via Bluetooth to my 
vehicles has always sounded better. 

  I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play the 
same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since I've 
been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm accustomed to 
great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i think the drop outs are due to tall trees.  we still occasionally get them 
but its not as bad as it was with earlier versions

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio


  We've had 4 vehicles in the last ten years that came with a 6-month 
  trial version of Sirius/XM. We've never signed up, and actually after 
  the first day, we've never listened to it. The problem we have is the 
  drop outs. They last 10-30 seconds, and are quite frequent. Piece of 
  crap if you ask me. I would never pay for something that is constantly 
  dropping out. Heck, I couldn't even listen to it when it was free. I 
  don't think I would listen to it if you paid me... Then again... Maybe 
  $10,000/year would persuade me.

  bp
  

  On 12/27/2018 5:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  > We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free.
  >
  > Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yah, for us audiophiles, the audio is compressed and horrible.  but i guess it 
does come in handy when traveling.
it seems to be a christmas present i get every year... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Matt Hoppes 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio


  But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

  On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter  wrote:


because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.




On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period 
of time for free. 

  Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

My experience back when I had a XM receiver in place was that the Music
stations were tolerable compression, the Talk ones were good for talk.
 Sounded a lot like old time FM and AM quality, not the newer higher
quality broadcasts one gets today with HD FM and the like.

Once I found spotify, I quit listening to the radio.   I have a quite deep
playlist which is set to download so it's not reliant on cell coverage (and
doesn't burn cell service since it only downloads when I'm on wifi).
Every car now has a bluetooth-enabled receiver so both myself and my wife
just uses spotify in the car.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 7:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
> of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Jason McKemie]

I've been having the same issue Mark.

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I have an audio issue with Fox, but it’s not related to the bitrate.
>
> Mark
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Not judging here :). You seriously don’t notice a bitrate audio issue
> listening to Fox?  The talk stations are worse than the music stations.
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:51, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> I would agree that the music seems to be pretty high quality.
> Specifically, there are some songs that get into the pretty low bass
> frequencies that seem to demonstrate pretty decent range for sound
> quality.  Again, it might make a difference on which stations you are
> listening to, but the sound is pretty decent.   We haven’t had CD players
> in the vehicles for a few years now, but I guess I never noticed any sound
> degradation when listening to the same song on CD vs it coming from XM.
>
> Since we cover so much geography, even if there was a little sound quality
> dropoff to use XM, I think overall it is still a far more consistent sound
> quality than moving in and out of good FM coverage areas, and definitely
> way better to have all your music with you whereever you are versus
> searching for the FM channel that provides the type of music you are
> looking for.   That, plus the no commercials (except Fox News ☹) makes it
> pretty easy to like.   The cost is not insignificant though and that is
> what makes it tougher to get on board.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>
> I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I
> don't know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
> of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[Carl Peterson]

We've just started using Clearfield pre-made pushable or strong fiber
spools pulled through 10/6 duct up to the radio.  We use BiDi so just one
strand but if you wanted a feed to a tower top they could make you MPO
cables that you could route to a YourX terminal up top through 14/10.

I wish someone made a 10/6 duct with copper conductors on the outside of
it.  Like Clearfield
s toneable 10/6 except with two larger conductors under the outer wrap
instead of the single small tone wire.  Would be perfect for Siklu instals
as you could run the duct right into their long connector and split off the
conductors to power the radio.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM dave  wrote:

> We use Bestronics custom hybrid cable pre-terminated armor direct bury
> type. Has 1 pair 12awg stranded and 2 pair SM or MM strands. Been doing it
> for a while with no issues.
>
> Just did 250 full medusa install with DDB cabinet topside for all
> terminations to go.
>
>
> On 12/20/18 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> What are people using for Fiber up the tower?
>
>
>
> We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  140
> foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.
>
>
>
> Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?
>
>
>
> Where are people getting theirs made?
>
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Mathew Howard]

Yep, there's a huge difference between digital and analog FM.

The quality of XM definitely varies a lot between some of the channels...
or at least it did back when I had it.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:26 AM  wrote:

> Yes, if you tune off of a channel and then back on, you can hear analog
> for a second or three before it locks into the digital.  Very easy to hear
> the difference.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>
> Chuck, do you mean HD FM? That definitely sounds very clear the few times
> I've heard it. Analog FM is still way better than XM
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 10:14 AM 
>> How do you feel about digital FM?  Sounds better to me than analog.
>>
>> *From:* Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:09 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>>
>> For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear
>> to hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose
>> speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year
>> model it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via
>> Bluetooth to my vehicles has always sounded better.
>>
>> I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play
>> the same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since
>> I've been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm
>> accustomed to great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[James Howard]

I’ve had XM for the last year but mostly only listen to Ch 148 Radio Classics.  
The “no commercials” is false advertising in my opinion.  They mostly advertise 
for themselves but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard Chuck McDowell 
going on about “the truth about timeshares”.  The fact that I remember his name 
annoys me so I’m not going to renew my subscription.  Most of the old time 
radio stuff is available online for free anyway, just have to put the time in 
ahead of time to download or stream it on the phone while driving.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[chuck]

Yes, if you tune off of a channel and then back on, you can hear analog for a 
second or three before it locks into the digital.  Very easy to hear the 
difference.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

Chuck, do you mean HD FM? That definitely sounds very clear the few times I've 
heard it. Analog FM is still way better than XM 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[David Hannum]

Well, I'm down here in the hills and trees of SE Ohio and the AM/FM
options are limited.  Compared to the drop outs, static and limited
selection we have here, XM is OK by me!

Dave

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:12 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:
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> For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear to 
> hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose 
> speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year model 
> it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via Bluetooth to 
> my vehicles has always sounded better.
>
> I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play the 
> same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since I've 
> been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm accustomed 
> to great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Darin Steffl]

Chuck, do you mean HD FM? That definitely sounds very clear the few times
I've heard it. Analog FM is still way better than XM

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 10:14 AM  How do you feel about digital FM?  Sounds better to me than analog.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>
> For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear
> to hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose
> speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year
> model it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via
> Bluetooth to my vehicles has always sounded better.
>
> I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play
> the same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since
> I've been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm
> accustomed to great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

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How do you feel about digital FM?  Sounds better to me than analog.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:09 AM
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For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear to 
hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose 
speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year model 
it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via Bluetooth to my 
vehicles has always sounded better. 

I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play the 
same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since I've 
been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm accustomed to 
great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Darin Steffl]

For those who say the sound of XM sounds good, you might not have the ear
to hear bad versus good audio. I've listened to XM in GM vehicles with Bose
speakers, Honda with premium audio, etc and no matter the brand or year
model it has sounded super compressed and shitty. FM and Spotify via
Bluetooth to my vehicles has always sounded better.

I challenge you to listen to XM then switch inputs to Bluetooth and play
the same some and compare. The difference is night and day. It may be since
I've been streaming great quality music via Bluetooth for so long, I'm
accustomed to great sound and XM is immediately recognized by my ears.
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/27/18 7:32 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time 
setup charge through their business sales team to setup the static and 
then a monthly charge of around 50$.


ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 
3mbps download “unlimited”.


How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a 
business account or a personal?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes. The drop outs too. 

I was listening to a talk program this morning on a 30 minute drive. Had like 4 
or 5, 15-20 second audio drops. 

The concept is interesting. The execution seems poor. 

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:52, David Hannum  wrote:
> 
> Your experiences with XM are interesting.  While I don't have it in
> any of my company vehicles, I have it in both of my personal vehicles,
> and I love it.  I don't experience any of the drop offs or compression
> sounding.  Not sure why.  But for $9.95/mo for basic, we really like
> it - especially for traveling.
> 
> Dave Hannum
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:45 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> We've had 4 vehicles in the last ten years that came with a 6-month
>> trial version of Sirius/XM. We've never signed up, and actually after
>> the first day, we've never listened to it. The problem we have is the
>> drop outs. They last 10-30 seconds, and are quite frequent. Piece of
>> crap if you ask me. I would never pay for something that is constantly
>> dropping out. Heck, I couldn't even listen to it when it was free. I
>> don't think I would listen to it if you paid me... Then again... Maybe
>> $10,000/year would persuade me.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/27/2018 5:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
>>> time for free.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
>>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
>>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[David Hannum]

Your experiences with XM are interesting.  While I don't have it in
any of my company vehicles, I have it in both of my personal vehicles,
and I love it.  I don't experience any of the drop offs or compression
sounding.  Not sure why.  But for $9.95/mo for basic, we really like
it - especially for traveling.

Dave Hannum

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:45 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We've had 4 vehicles in the last ten years that came with a 6-month
> trial version of Sirius/XM. We've never signed up, and actually after
> the first day, we've never listened to it. The problem we have is the
> drop outs. They last 10-30 seconds, and are quite frequent. Piece of
> crap if you ask me. I would never pay for something that is constantly
> dropping out. Heck, I couldn't even listen to it when it was free. I
> don't think I would listen to it if you paid me... Then again... Maybe
> $10,000/year would persuade me.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/27/2018 5:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
> > time for free.
> >
> > Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
> > compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
> > for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Chuck Hogg]

That's why I use Spotify...SiriusXM sucks IMO.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:39 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> lol. Ok. So I’m not alone on this.
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:04, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> Yes the quality is shit. BUT, the people that pay for it love it because
> it's available everywhere and has so many channels. Unfortunately, I can
> barely listen to it with how compressed it is. I stream spotify over
> bluetooth in my car and it's way better quality. I think FM sounds better
> than XM by a long shot.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:13 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
>>> of time for free.
>>>
>>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
>>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
>>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Bill Prince]

We've had 4 vehicles in the last ten years that came with a 6-month 
trial version of Sirius/XM. We've never signed up, and actually after 
the first day, we've never listened to it. The problem we have is the 
drop outs. They last 10-30 seconds, and are quite frequent. Piece of 
crap if you ask me. I would never pay for something that is constantly 
dropping out. Heck, I couldn't even listen to it when it was free. I 
don't think I would listen to it if you paid me... Then again... Maybe 
$10,000/year would persuade me.


bp


On 12/27/2018 5:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free.

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

Why can’t you tell people to swap their radios?

GM told me I had to swap my onstar because the cell network they used was no 
longer supported. 

Comcast tells me I have to upgrade my modem. 

The water company is coming Monday to upgrade my water meter. 

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:11, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> My wife and son had cars that came with 6 months free, but I don’t think they 
> used it or paid to keep it, and I’ve never listened to it.  But I have always 
> heard that the quality was poor and the reason to get it was no commercials, 
> nationwide coverage, and channels dedicated to one kind of music or talk.  
> Personally I like to get out of my bubble sometimes for the chance to hear a 
> song or artist or genre I never heard of.  Still difficult since almost all 
> FM stations are owned by big corporations and rotate the same limited list of 
> songs and would never have an actual DJ who would pull out some obscure song 
> and play it just because he felt like it.  (No Dr. Johnny Fevers or Venus 
> Flytraps anymore.)
>  
> Bottom line though, through the years I have always heard people say both 
> Sirius and XM quality was sub FM.
>  
> If this article is correct and the average bitrate is 32 kbps, that would be 
> voice quality, not music quality, MP3 would be 160 or 320 kbps.
>  
> http://www.carstereochick.com/2015/04/25/why-siriusxm-sucks-what-to-know-before-you-buy-subscribe/
>  
> I saw another article that said the bitrate can vary by channel, but that the 
> more channels they broadcast over the satellites, the less bandwidth they can 
> devote to each channel, and they feel the key to  increasing revenue is more 
> channels, not better sound quality.  I also saw that they use some kind of 
> perceptual or neural encoding to get the bitrate down, and that leads to 
> artifacts and a “swirly” sound, whatever that means.
>  
> FWIW, this article claims that you can use your subscription to stream over 
> the Internet, if you’re willing to take the hit on your mobile data plan, and 
> the quality will be better.
>  
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/make-your-cars-satellite-radio-sound-better/
>  
> Both articles also say that sat radio will sound better in some cars because 
> the hardware has post-processing after the tuner to recreate some of the 
> sound quality that was lost in encoding.  I guess that’s kind of like the TV 
> sets that take 1080p 30fps input and fill in the missing information to  
> drive a 2160p 60fps panel.  Or colorizing a B movie.
>  
> The problem seems to be mostly that sat radio has a whole legacy base of 
> installed satellites and car radios that are not upgradable via firmware, so 
> while audio encoding has improved, the whole sat radio industry is locked 
> into old technology because you can’t tell all those people their car radios 
> have to be replaced, even if you were able to launch new satellites or 
> reprogram the existing ones.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:34 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>  
> Depends on the channel. Truckers seem to like it. Me, I am too cheap. FM is 
> free and NPR doesn’t have too many commercial breaks.  I have three presets: 
> NPR, classic rock, contemporary c
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
> time for free. 
> 
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

lol. Ok. So I’m not alone on this. 

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:04, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Yes the quality is shit. BUT, the people that pay for it love it because it's 
> available everywhere and has so many channels. Unfortunately, I can barely 
> listen to it with how compressed it is. I stream spotify over bluetooth in my 
> car and it's way better quality. I think FM sounds better than XM by a long 
> shot.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:13 AM Adair Winter  
>> wrote:
>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
>>> time for free. 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
>>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
>>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Donnie McCorkle]

Dave,

 

Can you describe a typical installation with Cambium?

 

cnMaestro is an awesome ACS, and while testing all of the cambium wifi
units, I find disparate mechanisms in the WiFi on the R-Series routers
(which are neat enough themselves) and the E-400 series WiFi AP platform
(great APs).

 

So far I have been unable to "MESH/WDS" the R-Series routers to the E-series
WAPs.  Also the WAPs have advanced roaming features not supported in the
router series.

 

WiFi SSID's and Passphrases do not auto-propagate across the home, and a
number of other small issues that make the platform less "Manageable" than I
would like.

 

Have you found ways around these issues or is just adding the WiFi enough
for your clients?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

 

We are doing the pure cambium solution using the cnmaestro with all of it is
AWESOME!

Inventory track is easier with a simple hand scanner products come in and
get scanned straight to cnmaestro where they wait to on boarded.

 

On 12/21/18 5:01 PM, David Coudron wrote:

We have been running into more and more situations where customers either
have homes that are too large to effectively cover with a good router, or
have so many devices at the far end of the house from where their router has
to be positioned that we are looking for good options to provide better
whole house coverage.   We have worked with Powerline extenders, but
consider them to be too inconsistent for wide spread use, and have worked
with some wireless extenders.   The wireless extenders have a pretty big
impact on wireless speed that we aren't excited about them as a go forward
solution.   We also can't log into the powerline or wireless extenders
without some port forwarding work in their main router.   We have played
around with some mesh options, particularly the Ubiquiti Amplifi product,
which we really like, but feel like it is not an option since we cannot
manage it remotely.   Netgear Orbi certainly seems like a viable option, but
kind of spendy if you need 3 nodes.   Cost isn't necessarily an issue since
customers will buy this equipment rather than us fund it, but we don't want
the solution to be so expensive no one opts for it.   I know there has been
a few threads on managed routers, but this seems like a little bit different
take since we are going to have customers buy the equipment, but would like
to be able to manage remotely.   I suppose one option would be to still
provide an inexpensive managed router as we currently do and have them
manage the mesh system on their own.   Any thoughts on what has worked well
for whole house mesh systems, especially in a remote management situation?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Mike Hammett]

Designed for single-device (or more if mesh\repeater\etc.) is needed vs. 
assuming a large ecosystem. 




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From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:20:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 



What is the advantage of Calix versus Unifi? 

Rory 



From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:02 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 

Chuck, 

We’d be pretty interested in that. Love to see that happen. 

Cory, can you reach out to us in the meantime, we’d like to learn more and some 
decisions to make soon about our directed for managed whole house Wifi. 

Regards, 


David Coudron 
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Calix historically sold to ILECs via dedicated regional sales reps. You had 
personalized service. 

They didn’t have a product with universal appeal until they did the 844. 



I will volunteer to stock and sell their products via my ecommerce site if they 
will give me enough margin to make it worth it. 






From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:03 AM 

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 



Agreed, but that’s their business model. I think similar to the companies that 
OEM “gateways” to the likes of AT and Comcast. These are not supposed to find 
their way onto Amazon and Walmart online stores for end users to buy themselves 
and then try to figure out how to link them into their service provider’s 
operations systems. 

I guess our customers could make the same complaint about us. Maybe a few WISPs 
have online ordering portals, but I’m guessing very few. Not talking about put 
your location in here and a salesperson will call you, but actually sign up and 
schedule installation, similar to what we used to do with dialup service (where 
we just needed to assign a username and password, and publish a list of local 
access numbers). 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jon Langeler 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:37 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 

I think it’s a turn off when they don’t have an online store somewhere to 
simply order a 10 or 100 pack, or anything. But I got that vibe from them as 
well. 


Jon Langeler 

Michwave Technologies, Inc. 




On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > wrote: 



How does one get Calix to talk to you? They seemed less than interested to talk 
at WISPAPalooza and no call from the lead generated at he show. 

Jason Wilson 

Remotely Located 

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places 

530-651-1736 Office 

530-748-9608 Cell 

www.remotelylocated.com 


On Dec 22, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 




You have to buy direct from Calix. 



We upped our plan prices $10 per month for new subs and now give the router 
"free". We're slowly migrating existing customers to these new plans and 
putting the Calix in their home. We're about 60% complete with the process. It 
dramatically reduces the number of tech support calls related to wifi issues. 
Huge time saver, money maker, and keeping customers happy and churn low. 



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 8:56 PM Ken Hohhof 



The other piece of information that wasn’t apparent to me on casual inspection 
is there’s a minimum sub count if you want to use their Cloud features. My take 
is you need to come at it from the perspective that all your subs are going to 
get the Calix router, rather than viewing it as an optional upsell. At least if 
your WISP is relatively small. If you have 5000+ subs, that would be different. 
You could go through a transition with existing customers, but eventually it 
would be like a cable modem, everyone gets one. Either you throw it in for 
free, or charge a non optional modem rental fee. 




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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 

I buy direct. I think that is how they do it with everyone. 

Sent from my iPhone 


On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:20 PM, David Coudron < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
wrote: 



Where do you purchase the Calix equipment from? Our 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time setup 
charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then a monthly 
charge of around 50$. 

ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps 
download “unlimited”.

How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business 
account or a personal?

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

 

Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.

  _  

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik 
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a 
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use 
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans. 
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not 
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a 
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I 
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for 
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a 
phone but that's about it.

~Seth



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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[dave]

We are doing the pure cambium solution using the cnmaestro with all of 
it is AWESOME!


Inventory track is easier with a simple hand scanner products come in 
and get scanned straight to cnmaestro where they wait to on boarded.



On 12/21/18 5:01 PM, David Coudron wrote:


We have been running into more and more situations where customers 
either have homes that are too large to effectively cover with a good 
router, or have so many devices at the far end of the house from where 
their router has to be positioned that we are looking for good options 
to provide better whole house coverage.   We have worked with 
Powerline extenders, but consider them to be too inconsistent for wide 
spread use, and have worked with some wireless extenders.   The 
wireless extenders have a pretty big impact on wireless speed that we 
aren’t excited about them as a go forward solution.   We also can’t 
log into the powerline or wireless extenders without some port 
forwarding work in their main router.   We have played around with 
some mesh options, particularly the Ubiquiti Amplifi product, which we 
really like, but feel like it is not an option since we cannot manage 
it remotely.   Netgear Orbi certainly seems like a viable option, but 
kind of spendy if you need 3 nodes.   Cost isn’t necessarily an issue 
since customers will buy this equipment rather than us fund it, but we 
don’t want the solution to be so expensive no one opts for it.   I 
know there has been a few threads on managed routers, but this seems 
like a little bit different take since we are going to have customers 
buy the equipment, but would like to be able to manage remotely.   I 
suppose one option would be to still provide an inexpensive managed 
router as we currently do and have them manage the mesh system on 
their own.   Any thoughts on what has worked well for whole house mesh 
systems, especially in a remote management situation?


Regards,

David Coudron


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber up the tower

[dave]

We use Bestronics custom hybrid cable pre-terminated armor direct bury 
type. Has 1 pair 12awg stranded and 2 pair SM or MM strands. Been doing 
it for a while with no issues.


Just did 250 full medusa install with DDB cabinet topside for all 
terminations to go.



On 12/20/18 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


What are people using for Fiber up the tower?

We are looking for Single mode 4 strand – 2 LC Duplex at each end.  
140 foot lengths.   They will be run up inside a monopole.


Are you using armored?  Outdoor?  What?

Where are people getting theirs made?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Ken Hohhof]

My wife and son had cars that came with 6 months free, but I don’t think they 
used it or paid to keep it, and I’ve never listened to it.  But I have always 
heard that the quality was poor and the reason to get it was no commercials, 
nationwide coverage, and channels dedicated to one kind of music or talk.  
Personally I like to get out of my bubble sometimes for the chance to hear a 
song or artist or genre I never heard of.  Still difficult since almost all FM 
stations are owned by big corporations and rotate the same limited list of 
songs and would never have an actual DJ who would pull out some obscure song 
and play it just because he felt like it.  (No Dr. Johnny Fevers or Venus 
Flytraps anymore.)

 

Bottom line though, through the years I have always heard people say both 
Sirius and XM quality was sub FM.

 

If this article is correct and the average bitrate is 32 kbps, that would be 
voice quality, not music quality, MP3 would be 160 or 320 kbps.

 

http://www.carstereochick.com/2015/04/25/why-siriusxm-sucks-what-to-know-before-you-buy-subscribe/

 

I saw another article that said the bitrate can vary by channel, but that the 
more channels they broadcast over the satellites, the less bandwidth they can 
devote to each channel, and they feel the key to  increasing revenue is more 
channels, not better sound quality.  I also saw that they use some kind of 
perceptual or neural encoding to get the bitrate down, and that leads to 
artifacts and a “swirly” sound, whatever that means.

 

FWIW, this article claims that you can use your subscription to stream over the 
Internet, if you’re willing to take the hit on your mobile data plan, and the 
quality will be better.

 

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/make-your-cars-satellite-radio-sound-better/

 

Both articles also say that sat radio will sound better in some cars because 
the hardware has post-processing after the tuner to recreate some of the sound 
quality that was lost in encoding.  I guess that’s kind of like the TV sets 
that take 1080p 30fps input and fill in the missing information to  drive a 
2160p 60fps panel.  Or colorizing a B movie.

 

The problem seems to be mostly that sat radio has a whole legacy base of 
installed satellites and car radios that are not upgradable via firmware, so 
while audio encoding has improved, the whole sat radio industry is locked into 
old technology because you can’t tell all those people their car radios have to 
be replaced, even if you were able to launch new satellites or reprogram the 
existing ones.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

 

Depends on the channel. Truckers seem to like it. Me, I am too cheap. FM is 
free and NPR doesn’t have too many commercial breaks.  I have three presets: 
NPR, classic rock, contemporary c

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 27, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free. 

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[David Coudron]

I don’t listen to Fox that much, my wife is a pretty avid listener, but doesn’t 
comment much on the quality of the sound.   However, when listening to it, I 
don’t hear any sound issues (but my ears aren’t what they used to be ).For 
the music types that I listen to, I haven’t heard much difference.  Certainly 
nothing like the old playing dbx on a non=dbx system kind of sound quality 
issues (remember that stuff ?)

I would also say (although I haven’t done a measurement test to back this up)  
the dynamic range from XM is much better than what we get in our vehicles from 
Bluetooth connected devices.   More on par with usb connected devices, or very 
close to the same.

Be interesting to see the specs on all that stuff….. 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

Not judging here :). You seriously don’t notice a bitrate audio issue listening 
to Fox?  The talk stations are worse than the music stations.

On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:51, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
I would agree that the music seems to be pretty high quality.   Specifically, 
there are some songs that get into the pretty low bass frequencies that seem to 
demonstrate pretty decent range for sound quality.  Again, it might make a 
difference on which stations you are listening to, but the sound is pretty 
decent.   We haven’t had CD players in the vehicles for a few years now, but I 
guess I never noticed any sound degradation when listening to the same song on 
CD vs it coming from XM.

Since we cover so much geography, even if there was a little sound quality 
dropoff to use XM, I think overall it is still a far more consistent sound 
quality than moving in and out of good FM coverage areas, and definitely way 
better to have all your music with you whereever you are versus searching for 
the FM channel that provides the type of music you are looking for.   That, 
plus the no commercials (except Fox News ☹) makes it pretty easy to like.   The 
cost is not insignificant though and that is what makes it tougher to get on 
board.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I don't 
know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free.

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Mark Radabaugh]

I have an audio issue with Fox, but it’s not related to the bitrate.

Mark

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not judging here :). You seriously don’t notice a bitrate audio issue 
> listening to Fox?  The talk stations are worse than the music stations. 
> 
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:51, David Coudron  > wrote:
> 
>> I would agree that the music seems to be pretty high quality.   
>> Specifically, there are some songs that get into the pretty low bass 
>> frequencies that seem to demonstrate pretty decent range for sound quality.  
>> Again, it might make a difference on which stations you are listening to, 
>> but the sound is pretty decent.   We haven’t had CD players in the vehicles 
>> for a few years now, but I guess I never noticed any sound degradation when 
>> listening to the same song on CD vs it coming from XM. 
>>  
>> Since we cover so much geography, even if there was a little sound quality 
>> dropoff to use XM, I think overall it is still a far more consistent sound 
>> quality than moving in and out of good FM coverage areas, and definitely way 
>> better to have all your music with you whereever you are versus searching 
>> for the FM channel that provides the type of music you are looking for.   
>> That, plus the no commercials (except Fox News ☹) makes it pretty easy to 
>> like.   The cost is not insignificant though and that is what makes it 
>> tougher to get on board.  
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> David Coudron
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:31 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>>  
>> I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I 
>> don't know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.
>>  
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter > > wrote:
>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
>> are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>>  
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
>> > > wrote:
>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>> 
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter > > wrote:
>> 
>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>>  
>>  
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>> > > wrote:
>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
>> time for free. 
>> 
>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Darin Steffl]

Yes the quality is shit. BUT, the people that pay for it love it because
it's available everywhere and has so many channels. Unfortunately, I can
barely listen to it with how compressed it is. I stream spotify over
bluetooth in my car and it's way better quality. I think FM sounds better
than XM by a long shot.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:13 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
>> of time for free.
>>
>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

Not judging here :). You seriously don’t notice a bitrate audio issue listening 
to Fox?  The talk stations are worse than the music stations. 

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:51, David Coudron  wrote:
> 
> I would agree that the music seems to be pretty high quality.   Specifically, 
> there are some songs that get into the pretty low bass frequencies that seem 
> to demonstrate pretty decent range for sound quality.  Again, it might make a 
> difference on which stations you are listening to, but the sound is pretty 
> decent.   We haven’t had CD players in the vehicles for a few years now, but 
> I guess I never noticed any sound degradation when listening to the same song 
> on CD vs it coming from XM. 
>  
> Since we cover so much geography, even if there was a little sound quality 
> dropoff to use XM, I think overall it is still a far more consistent sound 
> quality than moving in and out of good FM coverage areas, and definitely way 
> better to have all your music with you whereever you are versus searching for 
> the FM channel that provides the type of music you are looking for.   That, 
> plus the no commercials (except Fox News ☹) makes it pretty easy to like.   
> The cost is not insignificant though and that is what makes it tougher to get 
> on board.  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:31 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>  
> I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I 
> don't know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.
>  
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter  
> wrote:
> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
> are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>  
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
> 
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
> time for free. 
> 
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[David Coudron]

I would agree that the music seems to be pretty high quality.   Specifically, 
there are some songs that get into the pretty low bass frequencies that seem to 
demonstrate pretty decent range for sound quality.  Again, it might make a 
difference on which stations you are listening to, but the sound is pretty 
decent.   We haven’t had CD players in the vehicles for a few years now, but I 
guess I never noticed any sound degradation when listening to the same song on 
CD vs it coming from XM.

Since we cover so much geography, even if there was a little sound quality 
dropoff to use XM, I think overall it is still a far more consistent sound 
quality than moving in and out of good FM coverage areas, and definitely way 
better to have all your music with you whereever you are versus searching for 
the FM channel that provides the type of music you are looking for.   That, 
plus the no commercials (except Fox News ☹) makes it pretty easy to like.   The 
cost is not insignificant though and that is what makes it tougher to get on 
board.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I don't 
know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:
because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free.

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Chuck McCown]

Depends on the channel. Truckers seem to like it. Me, I am too cheap. FM is 
free and NPR doesn’t have too many commercial breaks.  I have three presets: 
NPR, classic rock, contemporary c

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
>> time for free. 
>> 
>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[can...@believewireless.net]

I listen almost exclusively to music and it sounds high quality to me. I
don't know if it matters but I'm listening to modern music.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
>>> of time for free.
>>>
>>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
>>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
>>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Adair Winter]

quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
>> of time for free.
>>
>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
>> time for free. 
>> 
>> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
>> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription 
>> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Adair Winter]

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
> of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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[AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Matt Hoppes]

We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free. 

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Rory Conaway]

What is the advantage of Calix versus Unifi?

Rory

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Chuck,

We’d be pretty interested in that.   Love to see that happen.

Cory, can you reach out to us in the meantime, we’d like to learn more and some 
decisions to make soon about our directed for managed whole house Wifi.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Calix historically sold to ILECs via dedicated regional sales reps.  You had 
personalized service.
They didn’t have a product with universal appeal until they did the 844.

I will volunteer to stock and sell their products via my ecommerce site if they 
will give me enough margin to make it worth it.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Agreed, but that’s their business model.  I think similar to the companies that 
OEM “gateways” to the likes of AT and Comcast.  These are not supposed to 
find their way onto Amazon and Walmart online stores for end users to buy 
themselves and then try to figure out how to link them into their service 
provider’s operations systems.

I guess our customers could make the same complaint about us.  Maybe a few 
WISPs have online ordering portals, but I’m guessing very few.  Not talking 
about put your location in here and a salesperson will call you, but actually 
sign up and schedule installation, similar to what we used to do with dialup 
service (where we just needed to assign a username and password, and publish a 
list of local access numbers).


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jon Langeler
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

I think it’s a turn off when they don’t have an online store somewhere to 
simply order a 10 or 100 pack, or anything. But I got that vibe from them as 
well.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jason Wilson 
mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
How does one get Calix to talk to you?  They seemed less than interested to 
talk at WISPAPalooza and no call from the lead generated at he show.
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Dec 22, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
You have to buy direct from Calix.

We upped our plan prices $10 per month for new subs and now give the router 
"free". We're slowly migrating existing customers to these new plans and 
putting the Calix in their home. We're about 60% complete with the process. It 
dramatically reduces the number of tech support calls related to wifi issues. 
Huge time saver, money maker, and keeping customers happy and churn low.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 8:56 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

I buy direct. I think that is how they do it with everyone.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2018, at 6:20 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Where do you purchase the Calix equipment from?   Our typical sources don’t 
seem to carry them (Streakwave, Winncom, ISPSupplies, Linktechs, etc.   Are you 
purchasing direct from Calix?

Regards,

David Coudron


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Calix is the only good method today for routers and a mesh solution that can be 
managed by the ISP. Powerline adapters suck and we don't use them anymore. WiFi 
extenders are just as bad and we tell customers to throw them in the garbage. 
They cause more issues than they fix.

We have 850+ Calix GigaCenters in the field and are deploying more of the Mesh 
units. Everything is very easy to provision and we have full visibility into 
the home network. Pricing is pretty good and we get to make money on it instead 
of the customer