Re: [AFMUG] Connector on a drop cable

2019-01-04 Thread Chris Fabien 
Over never heard that comment of loose tube being better for underground.
Do you know the reasoning?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 4:20 PM Adam Moffett  My only reason for sticking with the loose tube drop cable vs the 900um
> tight buffer is that it's my understanding that loose tube is better for
> underground.  Maybe I should get past my prejudice against tight buffered
> fiber.
> -Adam
>
>
> On 1/3/2019 8:56 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> My guys got good at using a AFL Fast Connect with a 3mm boot and getting
> the distances right to just have the loose tube ending inside the boot.
> Sometimes a piece of heatshrink over the end of the boot as well. The loose
> tube is fairly rigid but it work OK in our fairly large NIDs .
>
> Now we are using tight buffer flat drop  so it just has 900um right in the
> cable. But we also switched to fusion splicing a pigtail at the NID so
> don't use a field install connector any more either.
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:43 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm kind of winging it because I haven't found an example to follow.  Is
>> there a better way to do this?
>>
>> That's the orange bare fiber inside 16" of clear 900um furcation tube.
>> The connector is an SOC made for 900um cable.  The furcation tube is
>> pushed about 3/4" into the end of the buffer tube and then a piece of
>> heat shrink ties the pieces of tubing together.
>>
>> It seems durable enough, but it's a lot of finicky pieces.  Took about
>> 10 solid minutes to do this.  I'm sure with practice I can shave that
>> down, but it just seems like there has to be an easier way.
>>
>> In a moment I'll send a pic of why I'm bothering.
>>
>> -Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Robert Andrews 

punji sticks...

On 01/04/2019 02:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food.  Rice 
and beans are cheap.  5 gal buckets.  Store a year’s worth really easy.  
Water will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice.
I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It 
really never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my 
theater room and survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice will 
eventually get soft in cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next big 
concern.  I have plenty of books.
I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for 
my balcony.

Land mines anyone?
*From:* justsumname
*Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site 
in a glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...!


I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) 
and added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper 
would call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).
Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far 
enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a 
gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong 
and we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   
Either way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   
And it seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when 
the world has NONE.   It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off 
grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the 
grid.   Or something.   And maybe have an outlet to spare.
Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 
74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid 
power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will 
power those two only for a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel 
and a cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental 
trying to pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more 
panels and possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably 
not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby).
It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just 
doesn't seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite 
an adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood 
(electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer 
nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next.

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM  wrote:

No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is
where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t
think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime.



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?



Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are
frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But 
it still sucks as a solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I

have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. 



*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?



Yeah that math checks out.

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge
though.  I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI
realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control
and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I
build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually
get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the
batteries don't age well.

So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my
head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of
installation.  Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the
load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD
function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their
batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.



On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:

I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I
just need a 'reality check', ... I think. 



So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean
it's showing a

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
You will need a snackbot to bring you snacks.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/4/18168213/pepsico-robot-snacks-hello-goodness-university-pacific

Better put two in your bunker, so you have spare parts if one breaks.  And 
retrain them to bring you rice and beans.  And toilet paper.  Or books.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

On 1/4/19 14:18, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It 
> really never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my 
> theater room and survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice 
> will eventually get soft in cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next 
> big concern.  I have plenty of books.


Was is it the Romans that did a personal sponge on a stick method?

Or three seashells.

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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 1/4/19 14:18, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It 
really never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my 
theater room and survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice will 
eventually get soft in cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next big 
concern.  I have plenty of books.



Was is it the Romans that did a personal sponge on a stick method?

Or three seashells.

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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Brings to mind the scene in Blazing Saddles where they are sitting around the 
campfire eating beans.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Get a 50 gallon barrel full of something like these for your TP prepper needs:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Towel-Durable-Tube-Packaging-Pieces/dp/B005JWQY40









On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:18 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

 

If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food.  Rice and beans 
are cheap.  5 gal buckets.  Store a year’s worth really easy.  Water will be 
the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice.  

I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It really 
never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my theater room and 
survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice will eventually get soft in 
cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next big concern.  I have plenty of 
books.  

 

I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my 
balcony.  

Land mines anyone?

 

From: justsumname 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a 
glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! 


I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and 
added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would call me 
a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).

 

Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough 
to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a gasoline generator 
and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' 
forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either way, I won't be 
runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it seems awfully damn handy 
to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE.   It's much too 
pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the 
freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or something.   And maybe have an outlet to 
spare.

 

Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts 
according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this 
time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for 
a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge 
controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger 
and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge 
controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby).

 

It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't 
seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, 
but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and 
collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long 
enough to see what comes next.

 

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the 
LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD costs 
you a lot of runtime.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks as a 
solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I had an 
LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Yeah that math checks out.  

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I also 
assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if 
they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I 
*assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, 
knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or 
the batteries don't age well. 

So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
(McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Cassidy B. Larson 
Get a 50 gallon barrel full of something like these for your TP prepper needs:

https://www.amazon.com/Towel-Durable-Tube-Packaging-Pieces/dp/B005JWQY40


> On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:18 PM,   wrote:
> 
> If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food.  Rice and 
> beans are cheap.  5 gal buckets.  Store a year’s worth really easy.  Water 
> will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice. 
> I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It really 
> never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my theater room and 
> survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice will eventually get soft 
> in cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next big concern.  I have plenty of 
> books. 
>  
> I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my 
> balcony. 
> Land mines anyone?
>  
> From: justsumname <>
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>  
> oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a 
> glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...!
> 
> I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and 
> added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would call 
> me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).
>  
> Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far 
> enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a gasoline 
> generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 
> 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either way, I won't 
> be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it seems awfully damn 
> handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE.   It's much 
> too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh 
> ... the freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or something.   And maybe have an 
> outlet to spare.
>  
> Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts 
> according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this 
> time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only 
> for a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM 
> charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and 
> charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest 
> charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby).
>  
> It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just 
> doesn't seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an 
> adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric 
> saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just 
> live long enough to see what comes next.
>  
> ---
>  
>  
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM > wrote:
>> No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>>  
>> I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where 
>> the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD 
>> costs you a lot of runtime.
>>  
>> From: AF > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>>  
>> Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
>> outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks 
>> as a solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I 
>> had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. 
>>  
>> From: Adam Moffett
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM
>> 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>> 
>>  
>> Yeah that math checks out.  
>> 
>> The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I 
>> also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might 
>> not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, 
>> but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I 
>> actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add 
>> another device or the batteries don't age well. 
>> 
>> So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
>> I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
>> (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or 
>> otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive 
>> than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>> I'll hijack this thread for something barely

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread chuck 
If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food.  Rice and beans 
are cheap.  5 gal buckets.  Store a year’s worth really easy.  Water will be 
the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice.  
I have solar that pumps my water now.  My house is foam/concrete.  It really 
never gets super cold in the basement.  I can move into my theater room and 
survive nicely without extra heat.  Beans and rice will eventually get soft in 
cold water.  Toilet paper would be my next big concern.  I have plenty of 
books.  

I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my 
balcony.  
Land mines anyone?

From: justsumname 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a 
glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! 

I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and 
added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would call me 
a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).

Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough 
to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a gasoline generator 
and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' 
forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either way, I won't be 
runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it seems awfully damn handy 
to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE.   It's much too 
pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the 
freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or something.   And maybe have an outlet to 
spare.

Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts 
according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this 
time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for 
a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge 
controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger 
and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge 
controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby).

It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't 
seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, 
but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and 
collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long 
enough to see what comes next.

---


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM  wrote:

  No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

  I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where 
the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD 
costs you a lot of runtime.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?



  Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks as a 
solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I had an 
LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.  



  From: Adam Moffett 

  Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?



  Yeah that math checks out.  

  The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I also 
assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if 
they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I 
*assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, 
knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or 
the batteries don't age well. 

  So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
(McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or 
otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive 
than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.



  On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:

I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need 
a 'reality check', ... I think. 



So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?

Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?



Thanks ...that is all.

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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 
Thief 

Lol 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "justsumname" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2019 1:39 PM

I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need a 
'reality check', ... I think.
So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.    Does that mean it's showing a 
74watt device?   Which means what . 1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

Thanks ...that is all.
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wrote:







 

 

I thought ya'll broke my email :)

 


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From: 
David Coudron 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 
AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out 
there?




Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
 
Happy New Year everyone.
 
Regards,
 
David Coudron
 
 
 
From: AF  On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 
PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 
Y'all out there?
 



 


Did everyone find something better to do than post here 
today? Lol 


 



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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread justsumname 
oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a
glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...!

I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and
added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would
call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).

Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far
enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a
gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and
we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either
way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it
seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world
has NONE.   It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but
maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or
something.   And maybe have an outlet to spare.

Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of
74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid
power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power
those two only for a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a
cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to
pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and
possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I
gots no trees nearby).

It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just
doesn't seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an
adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood
(electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer
nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next.

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM  wrote:

> No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
> I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where
> the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD
> costs you a lot of runtime.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent
> outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks
> as a solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad
> I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Yeah that math checks out.
>
> The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I
> also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they
> might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get
> discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the
> runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even
> if we add another device or the batteries don't age well.
>
> So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I
> know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some
> people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the
> batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is
> more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid
> perspective too.
>
> On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
>
> I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
> a 'reality check', ... I think.
>
>
>
> So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing
> a 74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
>
> Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
> something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
>
>
>
> Thanks ...that is all.
>
> --
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
>
>
> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Connector on a drop cable

2019-01-04 Thread Adam Moffett 
My only reason for sticking with the loose tube drop cable vs the 900um 
tight buffer is that it's my understanding that loose tube is better for 
underground.  Maybe I should get past my prejudice against tight 
buffered fiber.

-Adam


On 1/3/2019 8:56 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
My guys got good at using a AFL Fast Connect with a 3mm boot and 
getting the distances right to just have the loose tube ending inside 
the boot. Sometimes a piece of heatshrink over the end of the boot as 
well. The loose tube is fairly rigid but it work OK in our fairly 
large NIDs .


Now we are using tight buffer flat drop  so it just has 900um right in 
the cable. But we also switched to fusion splicing a pigtail at the 
NID so don't use a field install connector any more either.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:43 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm kind of winging it because I haven't found an example to
follow.  Is
there a better way to do this?

That's the orange bare fiber inside 16" of clear 900um furcation
tube.
The connector is an SOC made for 900um cable.  The furcation tube is
pushed about 3/4" into the end of the buffer tube and then a piece of
heat shrink ties the pieces of tubing together.

It seems durable enough, but it's a lot of finicky pieces. Took about
10 solid minutes to do this.  I'm sure with practice I can shave that
down, but it just seems like there has to be an easier way.

In a moment I'll send a pic of why I'm bothering.

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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread chuck 
No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the 
LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD costs 
you a lot of runtime.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks as a 
solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I had an 
LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Yeah that math checks out.  

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I also 
assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if 
they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I 
*assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, 
knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or 
the batteries don't age well. 

So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
(McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or 
otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive 
than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.



On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:

  I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need a 
'reality check', ... I think. 

   

  So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?

  Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

   

  Thanks ...that is all.

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  On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

 

 

I thought ya'll broke my email :)

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: David Coudron 

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

   

  Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

   

  Happy New Year everyone.

   

  Regards,

   

  David Coudron

   

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the 
LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD costs 
you a lot of runtime.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks as a 
solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I had an 
LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Yeah that math checks out.  

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I also 
assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if 
they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I 
*assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, 
knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or 
the batteries don't age well. 

So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
(McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or 
otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive 
than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.



On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:

I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need a 
'reality check', ... I think. 

 

So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?

Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

 

Thanks ...that is all.

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I thought ya'll broke my email :)

 

- Original Message - 

From: David Coudron 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

 

Happy New Year everyone.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

 

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Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread chuck 
Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent 
outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks as a 
solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad I had an 
LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

Yeah that math checks out.  

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I also 
assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if 
they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I 
*assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, 
knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or 
the batteries don't age well. 

So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know 
I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some people 
(McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or 
otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive 
than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too.



On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:

  I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need a 
'reality check', ... I think. 

  So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
  Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

  Thanks ...that is all.
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  On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:



I thought ya'll broke my email :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Coudron 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

  Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 



  Happy New Year everyone.



  Regards,



  David Coudron







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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Adam Moffett 

Except he has 4 batteries, so he has 4800 whr
They could be in parallel on a 12v system or in series on a 48v system 
or a combination of series/parallel on a 24v system, but it's 4800 
watt-hours either way.



On 1/4/2019 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yes to the first part.

The second part is a bit more difficult to answer.  If your equipment 
was 12v and the batteries are 12v you'd get your 32 hours.  Batteries 
are 1200 whr and load is 74 watts so more like 16 hours.  If your load 
is 24v your regulator/battery wiring will change that math.  If you're 
taking that power with an inverter you're destroying the run time.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM justsumname > wrote:


I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I
just need a 'reality check', ... I think.

So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.    Does that mean it's
showing a 74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs
per day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it
for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

Thanks ...that is all.
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I thought ya'll broke my email :)

- Original Message -
*From:* David Coudron 
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

Happy New Year everyone.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
Fuller
*Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

Did everyone find something better to do than post here
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Adam Moffett 

Yeah that math checks out.

The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I 
also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they 
might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get 
discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the 
runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want 
even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well.


So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I 
know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some 
people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the 
batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime 
is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid 
perspective too.



On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just 
need a 'reality check', ... I think.


So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.    Does that mean it's 
showing a 74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per 
day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for 
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?


Thanks ...that is all.
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mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


I thought ya'll broke my email :)

- Original Message -
*From:* David Coudron 
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

Happy New Year everyone.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread Josh Luthman 
Yes to the first part.

The second part is a bit more difficult to answer.  If your equipment was
12v and the batteries are 12v you'd get your 32 hours.  Batteries are 1200
whr and load is 74 watts so more like 16 hours.  If your load is 24v your
regulator/battery wiring will change that math.  If you're taking that
power with an inverter you're destroying the run time.

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM justsumname  wrote:

> I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
> a 'reality check', ... I think.
>
> So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing
> a 74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
> Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
> something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
>
> Thanks ...that is all.
> --
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* David Coudron 
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>>
>> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

2019-01-04 Thread justsumname 
I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
a 'reality check', ... I think.

So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

Thanks ...that is all.
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wrote:

>
>
> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* David Coudron 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
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>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread chuck 

5.8G is good enough for me.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 11:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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I'll wait for 6G.


bp


On 1/4/2019 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What would you like it to be?

When you wish upon a star ...

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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

And what exactly is 5G?

-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 10:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:
# There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve 
it.

Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.

Because 5G.



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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Bill Prince 

I'll wait for 6G.


bp


On 1/4/2019 10:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What would you like it to be?

When you wish upon a star ...

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

And what exactly is 5G?

-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 10:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:

# There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve it.
Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.

Because 5G.



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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Ken Hohhof 
What would you like it to be?

When you wish upon a star ...

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 11:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

And what exactly is 5G?

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 10:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> # There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve it.

> Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.

Because 5G.

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 

G

On 1/4/2019 11:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

And what exactly is 5G?

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 10:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:
# There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to 
improve it. Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.


Because 5G.


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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread chuck 

And what exactly is 5G?

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 10:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:
# There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve it. 
Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.


Because 5G.

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 1/4/19 09:38, Trey Scarborough wrote:
# There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve it. 
Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.


Because 5G.

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 

Matt,

   It depends on what you mean by remotes? If you are talking about a 
remote cabinet not likely. If you are talking about a CO that just 
happens to be in the middle of no where you can as a clec. In your area 
I am very familiar with the process. It sucks you are looking at 
probably a year to two to be up and running. Unless you have a large 
business case I would say its probably not worth it.  You definitely 
have to be a CLEC.


Some of the deterring factors are.

 * All work for cable and power must be done by their union employees.
 * All equipment installed has to be on the approved equipment list.
 * can not interconnect to any other provider other than VZ. If you
   were wanting to use it to connect to an upstream not going to happen
   unless you have fiber out of the building connected to them and them
   back in.
 * They have been known to charge per strand per month for fiber you
   have built in to the location. Yes they charge not for the cable,
   but for each strand...
 * There copper plant is pretty run down and they don't want to improve
   it. Interesting considering they aren't replacing it with fiber.
 * The application fee is quite a bit considering you more than likely
   will be denied the first time.

Trey

On 1/4/2019 11:12 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
You have to build to the remotes I think (as in build your own 
plant).  AT switched most of their DSLAMs in our area to remote 
and/or remote fiber fed.  That meant we had to build plant to get to 
their remotes.  Might as well build the last mile in those situations.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:00 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:


I didn't do it, but that was the next best available way to use
their plant. You would have access to that as a CLEC.



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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:39:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

I mean. That’s not a terrible solution.

As a CLEC you were able to do this?

On Jan 3, 2019, at 19:03, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I've tried the remotes and they told me to piss off. The best
I could do there was to build my own cabinet nearby and build
a 100 pair or whatever from my cabinet to the remote.



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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:54:16 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

Does anyone have any leads on how I might manage to colo a
DSLAM in a remote Verizon CO?  Either via CLEV status or
direct colo agreement?  I want to also use their copper lines.

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo

2019-01-04 Thread Chuck Hogg 
You have to build to the remotes I think (as in build your own plant).
AT switched most of their DSLAMs in our area to remote and/or remote
fiber fed.  That meant we had to build plant to get to their remotes.
Might as well build the last mile in those situations.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I didn't do it, but that was the next best available way to use their
> plant. You would have access to that as a CLEC.
>
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:39:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo
>
> I mean. That’s not a terrible solution.
>
> As a CLEC you were able to do this?
>
> On Jan 3, 2019, at 19:03, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I've tried the remotes and they told me to piss off. The best I could do
> there was to build my own cabinet nearby and build a 100 pair or whatever
> from my cabinet to the remote.
>
>
>
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:54:16 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Verizon remote CO colo
>
> Does anyone have any leads on how I might manage to colo a DSLAM in a
> remote Verizon CO?  Either via CLEV status or direct colo agreement?  I
> want to also use their copper lines.
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber

2019-01-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
Telus has been calling its VDSL2 based last mile service, from curb boxes
with small Huawei DSLAMs, and in the basements of MDUs, "*Optik*" for a
long time. With marketing bullshit materials that have billboards, bus stop
ads, ads on buses and such showing fiber optic cables.

And that's a huge ILEC.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Reminds me of a Century Link ad campaign for DSL.  They called it fiber
> service, the fiber delivered high speed to a point right outside your home
> or business (as long as right out side was within 10,000 feet)
>
> *From:* Tim Withrow via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 01, 2019 12:07 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber
>
>
> "virtual fiber works by using wireless signals to connect customers to the
> internet."
>
> "Though the technology FiberXstream uses is available to the mass market"
>
> Sounds like someone has great ambitions and has got overzealous with
> marketing rhetoric for a wireless network.
>
>
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> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> Anyone know what virtual fiber is and why it's harder to deploy than
> traditional fiber?? 藍藍
>
>
> https://tdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/tdn.com/news/local/homegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark/article_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Ftdn.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fhomegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark%2Farticle_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.html
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