Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

[Bill Prince]

May not matter. This was cheap enough. Smart phones only last 3-4 years. If
I got 5 years from a smart phone I would be happy.

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On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Until AUE turns your Chromebook into a brick in 6.5 years.
>
>
>
> Reminds me of Blade Runner, and the lifespan programmed into replicants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>
>
>
> I dunno. I've been using a chromebook exclusively for the last couple of
> weeks. It does everything I need and more. Biggest bonus is transparent
> updates & that I can pick up any old chromebook and get to my stuff.
>
>
>
> I also turned on Linux, so I can run a few Linux apps along side
> everything else. It's also at least 3X faster than an equivalent Windows
> box. Liking it more every day.
>
>
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:15 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/CHROMEBIT-Stick-Desktop-RockChip-3288-C-LPDDR3L/dp/B0181JTPCU
>
>
>
> For the price difference the Windows 10 stick seems like a better option
> to me though.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I saw something about an $86 chrome stick that will plug into the HDMI
> port just a day or two ago.
>
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> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:46 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> I use these.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4O6GRK?aaxitk=HsFrre9j0O.VoWtRPlvUUQ_rd_i=B00X4O6GRK_rd_p=3ff6092e-8451-438b-8278-7e94064b4d42_cr_id=3245557440901=productDescription=Quantum%20Access%20Windows%2010%20Mini%20PC%20Stick%2C%20Intel%20Baytrail-T%20(Quad-core)%20Z3735F%201.33GHz%2C%202GB%2F32GB=B00X4O6GRK
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>
>
>
> Had no idea they were this cheap.  And windows too.  Windows alone used to
> be more than this.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/ACEPC-T8-x5-Z8350-Graphics-Computer/dp/B07D9YX3W6?ref_=Oct_BSellerC_13896591011_2_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a_rd_s=merchandised-search-6_rd_t=101_rd_i=13896591011_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:08 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>
>
>
> I don't recommend getting an all-in-one PC-monitor as you have limited
> monitor size options, and if anything breaks inside, you're extremely
> limited in what you can use to fix it.
>
>
>
> I recommend just getting a mini-PC and hiding it behind the monitor. Some
> can even run on 12V (may want to put power regulation in the power path
> depending on how stable the source is). From where do you usually buy PCs?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown 
> Instead of googling it I will just ask the Borg:  Looking for a monitor,
> perhaps 14-18” with a PC built in.  Like to use a USB mouse and keyboard.
> Wifi built in.  No, I don’t want to cobble one together with a Raspberry PI
> etc.
>
>
>
> It is for permanent mounting in my splicing trailer so we always have
> access to the internet when out and about.  Just make the techs run on
> their phone hotspots if they want to look up something with a decent sized
> screen.  If they start streaming movies, well it is their data plan, not
> mine...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

[Ken Hohhof]

Until AUE turns your Chromebook into a brick in 6.5 years.

 

Reminds me of Blade Runner, and the lifespan programmed into replicants.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

 

I dunno. I've been using a chromebook exclusively for the last couple of weeks. 
It does everything I need and more. Biggest bonus is transparent updates & that 
I can pick up any old chromebook and get to my stuff.

 

I also turned on Linux, so I can run a few Linux apps along side everything 
else. It's also at least 3X faster than an equivalent Windows box. Liking it 
more every day.




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On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:15 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/CHROMEBIT-Stick-Desktop-RockChip-3288-C-LPDDR3L/dp/B0181JTPCU

 

For the price difference the Windows 10 stick seems like a better option to me 
though.

 

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:01 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I saw something about an $86 chrome stick that will plug into the HDMI port 
just a day or two ago.




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On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:46 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Chuck

 

I use these.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4O6GRK?aaxitk=HsFrre9j0O.VoWtRPlvUUQ 

 
_rd_i=B00X4O6GRK_rd_p=3ff6092e-8451-438b-8278-7e94064b4d42_cr_id=3245557440901=productDescription=Quantum%20Access%20Windows%2010%20Mini%20PC%20Stick%2C%20Intel%20Baytrail-T%20(Quad-core)%20Z3735F%201.33GHz%2C%202GB%2F32GB=B00X4O6GRK

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

 

Had no idea they were this cheap.  And windows too.  Windows alone used to be 
more than this.  

 

https://www.amazon.com/ACEPC-T8-x5-Z8350-Graphics-Computer/dp/B07D9YX3W6?ref_=Oct_BSellerC_13896591011_2
 

 
_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a_rd_s=merchandised-search-6_rd_t=101_rd_i=13896591011_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:08 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

 

I don't recommend getting an all-in-one PC-monitor as you have limited monitor 
size options, and if anything breaks inside, you're extremely limited in what 
you can use to fix it.  

 

I recommend just getting a mini-PC and hiding it behind the monitor. Some can 
even run on 12V (may want to put power regulation in the power path depending 
on how stable the source is). From where do you usually buy PCs?

 

 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Instead of googling it I will just ask the Borg:  Looking for a monitor, 
perhaps 14-18” with a PC built in.  Like to use a USB mouse and keyboard.  Wifi 
built in.  No, I don’t want to cobble one together with a Raspberry PI etc.   

 

It is for permanent mounting in my splicing trailer so we always have access to 
the internet when out and about.  Just make the techs run on their phone 
hotspots if they want to look up something with a decent sized screen.  If they 
start streaming movies, well it is their data plan, not mine...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

[Jason McKemie]

https://www.amazon.com/CHROMEBIT-Stick-Desktop-RockChip-3288-C-LPDDR3L/dp/B0181JTPCU

For the price difference the Windows 10 stick seems like a better option to
me though.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I saw something about an $86 chrome stick that will plug into the HDMI
> port just a day or two ago.
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:46 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> I use these.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4O6GRK?aaxitk=HsFrre9j0O.VoWtRPlvUUQ_rd_i=B00X4O6GRK_rd_p=3ff6092e-8451-438b-8278-7e94064b4d42_cr_id=3245557440901=productDescription=Quantum%20Access%20Windows%2010%20Mini%20PC%20Stick%2C%20Intel%20Baytrail-T%20(Quad-core)%20Z3735F%201.33GHz%2C%202GB%2F32GB=B00X4O6GRK
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:24 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>>
>>
>>
>> Had no idea they were this cheap.  And windows too.  Windows alone used
>> to be more than this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ACEPC-T8-x5-Z8350-Graphics-Computer/dp/B07D9YX3W6?ref_=Oct_BSellerC_13896591011_2_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a_rd_s=merchandised-search-6_rd_t=101_rd_i=13896591011_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:08 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't recommend getting an all-in-one PC-monitor as you have limited
>> monitor size options, and if anything breaks inside, you're extremely
>> limited in what you can use to fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recommend just getting a mini-PC and hiding it behind the monitor. Some
>> can even run on 12V (may want to put power regulation in the power path
>> depending on how stable the source is). From where do you usually buy PCs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown >
>> Instead of googling it I will just ask the Borg:  Looking for a monitor,
>> perhaps 14-18” with a PC built in.  Like to use a USB mouse and keyboard.
>> Wifi built in.  No, I don’t want to cobble one together with a Raspberry PI
>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is for permanent mounting in my splicing trailer so we always have
>> access to the internet when out and about.  Just make the techs run on
>> their phone hotspots if they want to look up something with a decent sized
>> screen.  If they start streaming movies, well it is their data plan, not
>> mine...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy

[Bill Prince]

I saw something about an $86 chrome stick that will plug into the HDMI port
just a day or two ago.

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On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:46 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Chuck
>
>
>
> I use these.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X4O6GRK?aaxitk=HsFrre9j0O.VoWtRPlvUUQ_rd_i=B00X4O6GRK_rd_p=3ff6092e-8451-438b-8278-7e94064b4d42_cr_id=3245557440901=productDescription=Quantum%20Access%20Windows%2010%20Mini%20PC%20Stick%2C%20Intel%20Baytrail-T%20(Quad-core)%20Z3735F%201.33GHz%2C%202GB%2F32GB=B00X4O6GRK
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>
>
>
> Had no idea they were this cheap.  And windows too.  Windows alone used to
> be more than this.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/ACEPC-T8-x5-Z8350-Graphics-Computer/dp/B07D9YX3W6?ref_=Oct_BSellerC_13896591011_2_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a_rd_s=merchandised-search-6_rd_t=101_rd_i=13896591011_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_r=0RVM6GTN36MFYZ6TYWAT_rd_p=61d8b861-c4fd-531a-abc4-b6a30d07028a
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:08 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Being lazy
>
>
>
> I don't recommend getting an all-in-one PC-monitor as you have limited
> monitor size options, and if anything breaks inside, you're extremely
> limited in what you can use to fix it.
>
>
>
> I recommend just getting a mini-PC and hiding it behind the monitor. Some
> can even run on 12V (may want to put power regulation in the power path
> depending on how stable the source is). From where do you usually buy PCs?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown 
> Instead of googling it I will just ask the Borg:  Looking for a monitor,
> perhaps 14-18” with a PC built in.  Like to use a USB mouse and keyboard.
> Wifi built in.  No, I don’t want to cobble one together with a Raspberry PI
> etc.
>
>
>
> It is for permanent mounting in my splicing trailer so we always have
> access to the internet when out and about.  Just make the techs run on
> their phone hotspots if they want to look up something with a decent sized
> screen.  If they start streaming movies, well it is their data plan, not
> mine...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT My 2018 Email Traffic

[Bill Prince]

I had something like that happen to my personal yahoo mail a few years ago,
except that it was more like 50,000 emails. They were having some issue
with one (or more) of their Netapp NAS systems. Took them a day or two to
sort it out. In the meantime I had downloaded all the email anyway.
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On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:08 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I had a customer call yesterday saying he suddenly received 4000 emails in
> one day, plus 2 of his credit cards were “hacked” by which he means
> fraudulent purchases.  And somehow he is thinking this is his ISPs fault.
> I have heard lots of email problems through the years, but suddenly 4000
> emails in one day is a new one, especially if they all passed the spam
> filter.  And as far as his Best Buy credit card which he says he hasn’t
> used in 2 years and isn’t on his computer, all I can say is who has a Best
> Buy credit card?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2019 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT My 2018 Email Traffic
>
>
>
> 17225Received
>
> 13481Sent
>
>
>
> 30706Total
>
>
>
> 14.76 emails per hour either read or written if confined to work hours
> only.
>
> Averages 1 every 4 minutes.
>
>
>
> Additionally about 9229 animal farm emails for fun.
>
>
>
> And my kids think I should also text and FB and tweet and and and
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

[Bill Prince]

I use an OTA DVR (DVR+) plus a Roku. Works fine, lasts a long time.

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical
>
> I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box.  I
>> have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them anything monthly.  After the
>> upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked...
>>
>> Arrgh.
>>
>> Might go with Amazon Firebox...
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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Steve Jones]

we have a farm store here that still sells the good old round red metal
ones with an actual vent and straight pour spout. they want 30 bucks though

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 12:45 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Seriously, they will only sell it to Prime members?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 12:14 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review
>
> I never try and pour out of a container anymore.   I use this and leave
> one in each vehicle that I need to transfer fuel to.  I put one battery
> backwards until I need to use it to keep if from accidentally flicking on.
>
> Surprising how fast it fills a tank.  And I don't get gas everywhere and
> fill the tanks right to the top.
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072MK7CSJ/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
>
> On 01/16/2019 09:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Thanks Ken, very helpful.  I already forwarded a youtube on this product
> > to my troops.  I hate those cans that have the little tab you have to
> > push and slide back to get them to pour.
> > *From:* Ken Hohhof
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:19 AM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] gas can review
> >
> > I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they
> > all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.
> >
> > Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can
> > report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government
> > rules.  It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it,
> > but dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more
> > of them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon
> > sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.
> >
> > The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware,
> > maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm
> > or Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and
> > types in stock, and buying local is cool.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Steve Jones]

I feel the same way. Librenms was easy, they offer it as an OVA, I had to
convert it for ESX, but it was a cinch. I wont use applications that
require me to be a webdude and database admin to operate it. believe me, if
its simple enough for me to put in production, its worth it

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 11:09 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We like the idea of distributed pollers and hosting through SaaS.We
> know we aren’t experts at building, backing up and managing servers and
> databases and would rather not have that responsibility.We can keep the
> poller appliances close to the monitored devices, but don’t need the
> aggregationreporting tool there.   Once we own the hosting, we now own
> security of it, upgrades, backups, etc.   Not the end of the world, but
> we’d rather spend our time building towers than running servers.   However,
> given the importance of this function, this would be the one service we’d
> want to invest more time in rather than less if we have to.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
> Challenge is that you'll have to host it? Having precise monitoring of
> your network is only possible on your network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"David Coudron" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:15:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
> We are just in the process of doing the same thing.   We had previously
> used Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of
> these items.  Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with
> Sonar and need to augment Sonar with other items.We have stood up
> LibreNMS and believe this will give us the functionality we are looking
> for.   Specifically, we think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled
> and graphed properly as well as control some of the annoying notification
> issues we have in Sonar.   If you have some interest in talking more to see
> if the issues we faced are similar to what you are looking at, we can
> connect offlist.
>
>
>
> The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it.   However, we
> are finding it to be pretty stable and customizable.That is where we
> are seeing challenges with Sonar.   Sonar would also likely require you to
> move to their billing platform and so on.   It does a pretty good job of
> that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
> We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our
> NOC so we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently,
> we use a hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our
> network. It's ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of
> what is happening is cumbersome at best.
>
> What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control
> panel/dashboard?
>
>
>
> I am looking for:
>
> bandwidth usage
>
> ping times
>
> frame utilization
>
> customer counts
>
> switch port logging
>
>
>
> basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
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> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Ken Hohhof]

Seriously, they will only sell it to Prime members?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 12:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

I never try and pour out of a container anymore.   I use this and leave 
one in each vehicle that I need to transfer fuel to.  I put one battery 
backwards until I need to use it to keep if from accidentally flicking on.

Surprising how fast it fills a tank.  And I don't get gas everywhere and fill 
the tanks right to the top.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072MK7CSJ/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1


On 01/16/2019 09:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Thanks Ken, very helpful.  I already forwarded a youtube on this product 
> to my troops.  I hate those cans that have the little tab you have to 
> push and slide back to get them to pour.
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:19 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] gas can review
> 
> I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they 
> all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.
> 
> Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can 
> report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government 
> rules.  It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, 
> but dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more 
> of them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon 
> sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.
> 
> The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, 
> maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm 
> or Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and 
> types in stock, and buying local is cool.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[chuck]

Beats stealing the windshield washer tubing off of the vehicle you are 
stealing gas from.  And you don't get it in your mouth...



-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

I never try and pour out of a container anymore.   I use this and leave
one in each vehicle that I need to transfer fuel to.  I put one battery
backwards until I need to use it to keep if from accidentally flicking on.

Surprising how fast it fills a tank.  And I don't get gas everywhere and
fill the tanks right to the top.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072MK7CSJ/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1


On 01/16/2019 09:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Thanks Ken, very helpful.  I already forwarded a youtube on this product 
to my troops.  I hate those cans that have the little tab you have to push 
and slide back to get them to pour.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:19 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] gas can review

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they 
all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.


Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can 
report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules. 
It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but 
dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of 
them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon 
sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.


The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, 
maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or 
Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types 
in stock, and buying local is cool.



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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Robert Andrews]

I never try and pour out of a container anymore.   I use this and leave 
one in each vehicle that I need to transfer fuel to.  I put one battery 
backwards until I need to use it to keep if from accidentally flicking on.


Surprising how fast it fills a tank.  And I don't get gas everywhere and 
fill the tanks right to the top.



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072MK7CSJ/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1


On 01/16/2019 09:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Thanks Ken, very helpful.  I already forwarded a youtube on this product 
to my troops.  I hate those cans that have the little tab you have to 
push and slide back to get them to pour.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:19 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] gas can review

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they 
all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.


Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can 
report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government 
rules.  It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, 
but dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more 
of them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon 
sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.


The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, 
maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm 
or Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and 
types in stock, and buying local is cool.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

[Robert Andrews]

Life of the business...

On 01/15/2019 04:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I paid for the lifetime subscription on my ReplayTV.

Does “lifetime” mean the life of the unit, or the life of the owner?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:30 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

If you want the extended guide (more than what downloads automatically) 
you need to subscribe to that.   But it's a lot cheaper than TiVo.  I 
went ahead and paid for the lifetime subscription, so now I can ignore 
it totally as a sunk cost.


On 1/15/19 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

This looks perfect.  Nothing to subscribe to, right?

*From:*Bruce Robertson

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:06 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

My favorite: https://www.tablotv.com

On 1/14/19 6:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR.  I use Roku for almost everything else.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical

I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their
latest box.  I have a Roamio.  I own it.  I don’t pay them
anything monthly.  After the upgrade deal went away, my
Roamio bricked...

Arrgh.

Might go with Amazon Firebox...

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Sam Lambie]

You can spend all your time building towers and putting up AP's and back
hauls, but without good local data to tell you where your bottlenecks are,
you aren't going to be able to sell good reliable bandwidth. Hosting a SNMP
server and anything else locally is the only way to go and is what we have
done for a long time.
I will look into LibreNMS.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 10:09 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We like the idea of distributed pollers and hosting through SaaS.We
> know we aren’t experts at building, backing up and managing servers and
> databases and would rather not have that responsibility.We can keep the
> poller appliances close to the monitored devices, but don’t need the
> aggregationreporting tool there.   Once we own the hosting, we now own
> security of it, upgrades, backups, etc.   Not the end of the world, but
> we’d rather spend our time building towers than running servers.   However,
> given the importance of this function, this would be the one service we’d
> want to invest more time in rather than less if we have to.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
> Challenge is that you'll have to host it? Having precise monitoring of
> your network is only possible on your network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"David Coudron" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:15:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
> We are just in the process of doing the same thing.   We had previously
> used Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of
> these items.  Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with
> Sonar and need to augment Sonar with other items.We have stood up
> LibreNMS and believe this will give us the functionality we are looking
> for.   Specifically, we think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled
> and graphed properly as well as control some of the annoying notification
> issues we have in Sonar.   If you have some interest in talking more to see
> if the issues we faced are similar to what you are looking at, we can
> connect offlist.
>
>
>
> The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it.   However, we
> are finding it to be pretty stable and customizable.That is where we
> are seeing challenges with Sonar.   Sonar would also likely require you to
> move to their billing platform and so on.   It does a pretty good job of
> that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
> We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our
> NOC so we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently,
> we use a hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our
> network. It's ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of
> what is happening is cumbersome at best.
>
> What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control
> panel/dashboard?
>
>
>
> I am looking for:
>
> bandwidth usage
>
> ping times
>
> frame utilization
>
> customer counts
>
> switch port logging
>
>
>
> basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[chuck]

She can demo a nozzle anytime for me.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

But “No Spill Jill” says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QhDqumItw

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

 

 

I always replace the spout.. 

https://www.amazon.com/EZ-Pour-Hi-Flo-Gas-Can-Spout/dp/B00DGVRXD2

Worth their weight in gold.. 

 

And all my gas cans are pre 2009.. ;)

 

R

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] gas can review

 

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they all 
suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.

 

Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can report 
that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules.  It’s a 
little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but dispensing the 
gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of them for the business.  
It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon sizes, and appropriate colors for 
gas, diesel and kerosene.

 

The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, maybe 
some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or Tractor 
Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types in stock, and 
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[David Coudron]

We like the idea of distributed pollers and hosting through SaaS.We know we 
aren’t experts at building, backing up and managing servers and databases and 
would rather not have that responsibility.We can keep the poller appliances 
close to the monitored devices, but don’t need the aggregationreporting tool 
there.   Once we own the hosting, we now own security of it, upgrades, backups, 
etc.   Not the end of the world, but we’d rather spend our time building towers 
than running servers.   However, given the importance of this function, this 
would be the one service we’d want to invest more time in rather than less if 
we have to.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

Challenge is that you'll have to host it? Having precise monitoring of your 
network is only possible on your network.


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From: "David Coudron" 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:15:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
We are just in the process of doing the same thing.   We had previously used 
Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of these 
items.  Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with Sonar and need 
to augment Sonar with other items.We have stood up LibreNMS and believe 
this will give us the functionality we are looking for.   Specifically, we 
think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled and graphed properly as 
well as control some of the annoying notification issues we have in Sonar.   If 
you have some interest in talking more to see if the issues we faced are 
similar to what you are looking at, we can connect offlist.

The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it.   However, we are 
finding it to be pretty stable and customizable.That is where we are seeing 
challenges with Sonar.   Sonar would also likely require you to move to their 
billing platform and so on.   It does a pretty good job of that.

Thanks,

David Coudron


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

Hey all,

We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our NOC so 
we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently, we use a 
hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our network. It's 
ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of what is happening 
is cumbersome at best.
What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control 
panel/dashboard?

I am looking for:
bandwidth usage
ping times
frame utilization
customer counts
switch port logging

basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.

Thanks!
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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Ken Hohhof]

But "No Spill Jill" says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QhDqumItw

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

 

 

I always replace the spout.. 

https://www.amazon.com/EZ-Pour-Hi-Flo-Gas-Can-Spout/dp/B00DGVRXD2

Worth their weight in gold.. 

 

And all my gas cans are pre 2009.. ;)

 

R

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] gas can review

 

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they all
suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.

 

Anyway, I picked up a "No-Spill" brand can for my snowblower and can report
that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules.  It's a
little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but dispensing the
gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of them for the
business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon sizes, and
appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.

 

The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware,
maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or
Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types in
stock, and buying local is cool.

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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[chuck]

Thanks Ken, very helpful.  I already forwarded a youtube on this product to my 
troops.  I hate those cans that have the little tab you have to push and slide 
back to get them to pour.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:19 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] gas can review

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they all 
suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.

 

Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can report 
that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules.  It’s a 
little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but dispensing the 
gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of them for the business.  
It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon sizes, and appropriate colors for 
gas, diesel and kerosene.

 

The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, maybe 
some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or Tractor 
Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types in stock, and 
buying local is cool.




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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[chuck]

Jerry cans.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

I miss the good 'ol days of a gallon milk jug and a funnel.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they 
all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.


Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can 
report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules. 
It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but 
dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of 
them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon 
sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.


The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, 
maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or 
Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types 
in stock, and buying local is cool.






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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Jay Weekley]

I miss the good 'ol days of a gallon milk jug and a funnel.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and 
they all suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.


Anyway, I picked up a “No-Spill” brand can for my snowblower and can 
report that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government 
rules.  It’s a little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill 
it, but dispensing the gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing 
more of them for the business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 
gallon sizes, and appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.


The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace 
Hardware, maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about 
Farm or Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all 
the sizes and types in stock, and buying local is cool.






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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Mike Hammett]

Challenge is that you'll have to host it? Having precise monitoring of your 
network is only possible on your network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "David Coudron"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:15:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App 



We are just in the process of doing the same thing. We had previously used 
Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of these 
items. Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with Sonar and need 
to augment Sonar with other items. We have stood up LibreNMS and believe this 
will give us the functionality we are looking for. Specifically, we think we 
can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled and graphed properly as well as 
control some of the annoying notification issues we have in Sonar. If you have 
some interest in talking more to see if the issues we faced are similar to what 
you are looking at, we can connect offlist. 

The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it. However, we are 
finding it to be pretty stable and customizable. That is where we are seeing 
challenges with Sonar. Sonar would also likely require you to move to their 
billing platform and so on. It does a pretty good job of that. 

Thanks, 

David Coudron 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App 


Hey all, 



We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our NOC so 
we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently, we use a 
hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our network. It's 
ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of what is happening 
is cumbersome at best. 

What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control 
panel/dashboard? 



I am looking for: 

bandwidth usage 

ping times 

frame utilization 

customer counts 

switch port logging 



basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust. 



Thanks! 

Sam 



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Re: [AFMUG] gas can review

[Richard Strittmatter]

I always replace the spout..
https://www.amazon.com/EZ-Pour-Hi-Flo-Gas-Can-Spout/dp/B00DGVRXD2
Worth their weight in gold..

And all my gas cans are pre 2009.. ;)

R

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:20 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] gas can review

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they all 
suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.

Anyway, I picked up a "No-Spill" brand can for my snowblower and can report 
that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules.  It's a 
little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but dispensing the 
gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of them for the business.  
It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon sizes, and appropriate colors for 
gas, diesel and kerosene.

The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware, maybe 
some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or Tractor 
Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types in stock, and 
buying local is cool.
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Steve Jones]

We are pulling all but ping away from powercode for out infrastructure, its
too cumbersome to get any functionally granular monitoring.
Put up a LibreNMS server for testing. In like 3 hours had all kinds of data
coming in. This is all vanilla still with the exception of configuring the
autodiscovery. Its already helped us isolate a couple other issues. im
working on the alerting right now
Network Weathermap is integrated, so thats on the list
Im digging it so far and have moved it from testing to pre production state

Nothing will ever beat SNMPc from Castlerock, but the price on thats at the
top end of a regular WISP budget

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 10:17 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are just in the process of doing the same thing.   We had previously
> used Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of
> these items.  Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with
> Sonar and need to augment Sonar with other items.We have stood up
> LibreNMS and believe this will give us the functionality we are looking
> for.   Specifically, we think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled
> and graphed properly as well as control some of the annoying notification
> issues we have in Sonar.   If you have some interest in talking more to see
> if the issues we faced are similar to what you are looking at, we can
> connect offlist.
>
>
>
> The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it.   However, we
> are finding it to be pretty stable and customizable.That is where we
> are seeing challenges with Sonar.   Sonar would also likely require you to
> move to their billing platform and so on.   It does a pretty good job of
> that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
> We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our
> NOC so we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently,
> we use a hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our
> network. It's ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of
> what is happening is cumbersome at best.
>
> What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control
> panel/dashboard?
>
>
>
> I am looking for:
>
> bandwidth usage
>
> ping times
>
> frame utilization
>
> customer counts
>
> switch port logging
>
>
>
> basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B

[Mathew Howard]

With power supplies set to 27v, we do tend to see it drop by a few volts
when it switches to battery power - we actually use that to monitor when
we're running on batteries.

I guess the voltage going to high might be a problem if you had a really
small load though. Ideally, I suppose you'd want to keep it regulated so
that the voltage doesn't drop too low either, but when you're dealing with
gear that's intended to run on PoE, it typically is designed for a pretty
wide voltage range, just to be able to deal with differences in cable
length.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 7:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Traco TSP-BCMU360 fed from a 24V power supply), or integrated TSPC
> 240-124UPS, will provide regulated 24 VDC while charging and managing a 12V
> battery string.  Not recommended for sites with a large power draw.
>
>
>
> Phoenix Contact has a DIN rail UPS series that provides regulated DC
> voltage, but it jumps to the battery voltage when running on battery power,
> which kind of defeats the purpose.  Except I guess that battery voltage
> will not be as high when it is supplying power rather than being charged?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B
>
>
>
> Any of the current UBNT products will handle 27v just fine.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:21 PM Rhys Cuff (Latrobe IT) <
> r...@latrobeit.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> I use Meanwell AD155B’s to charge and run my 24V load.
>
> Unfortunately the charge voltage is a tad high for the ubnt products I use.
>
>
>
> I use a DCDC converter to go from 27v down to 24v
>
>
>
> Is this the recommended solution? Seems a waste just to drop 3v
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a more suited PSU/charger/LVD unit? Perhaps with
> adjustable charge and load voltages.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rhys
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B

[Josh Luthman]

I use the 155B as well and I find the biggest thing to factor is voltage
loss.  We do 27.3 volts to charge and by the time it gets up to the
Powerbox up top, it's down a volt or two.  Then the voltage to the
equipment tends to be 23-25 volts.

As was said, though, 27v should work just fine directly to the equipment.
Ubnt seems to be the closest and it seems to work without problems.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Traco TSP-BCMU360 fed from a 24V power supply), or integrated TSPC
> 240-124UPS, will provide regulated 24 VDC while charging and managing a 12V
> battery string.  Not recommended for sites with a large power draw.
>
>
>
> Phoenix Contact has a DIN rail UPS series that provides regulated DC
> voltage, but it jumps to the battery voltage when running on battery power,
> which kind of defeats the purpose.  Except I guess that battery voltage
> will not be as high when it is supplying power rather than being charged?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B
>
>
>
> Any of the current UBNT products will handle 27v just fine.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:21 PM Rhys Cuff (Latrobe IT) <
> r...@latrobeit.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> I use Meanwell AD155B’s to charge and run my 24V load.
>
> Unfortunately the charge voltage is a tad high for the ubnt products I use.
>
>
>
> I use a DCDC converter to go from 27v down to 24v
>
>
>
> Is this the recommended solution? Seems a waste just to drop 3v
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a more suited PSU/charger/LVD unit? Perhaps with
> adjustable charge and load voltages.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rhys
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] gas can review

[Ken Hohhof]

I have 3 different styles of gas cans for refueling generators, and they all
suck.  Thank you, government agencies who regulate gas cans.

 

Anyway, I picked up a "No-Spill" brand can for my snowblower and can report
that it works as advertised, yet apparently meets government rules.  It's a
little finicky getting the childproof cap off to fill it, but dispensing the
gas is easy with no mess.  I will be purchasing more of them for the
business.  It looks like they come in 1, 2 and 5 gallon sizes, and
appropriate colors for gas, diesel and kerosene.

 

The only brick store I found that carried them was Ace Hardware,
maybe some auto parts stores would have them, not sure about Farm or
Tractor Supply.  I was fine with Ace HW, they had all the sizes and types in
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Re: [AFMUG] Business Documentation/Notes storage

[Josh Luthman]

For procedures we use MediaWiki (wikipedia software)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:25 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i use onenote exclusively 2013, 2016 sucks. its like evernote for adults
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:44 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> I like Dropbox for cloud storage. Their desktop app syncs local copies on
>> whatever computer you have it installed on. So I don’t have to wait to sync
>> when saving. Anything in the local folder and sub folders syncs in the
>> background. It keeps my laptop up to date when I have to take that out of
>> the office because I have the app on it as well. I spend most of my time on
>> the desktop. Their phone app lets me send files as an email without having
>> a copy on the device. I can always log in and get files from any computer.
>> I can share folders and files separately for various projects with others.
>> Cost is not bad. They have a free version, I pay for pro which is $99 for a
>> TB per year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>> Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 9:52 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Business Documentation/Notes storage
>>
>>
>>
>> I've currently got notes scattered through google, Evernote, and in files
>> on the PC.   Would like to consolidate them in one place.   But I'm not
>> happy enough with any of these solutions to really feel comfortable with
>> choosing any of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering what everyone else is using to keep their internal business
>> documents (i.e. policies, procedures, notes about installations, various
>> network notes, etc.).Hoping someone has a cool solution I'm not aware
>> of.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[David Coudron]

We are just in the process of doing the same thing.   We had previously used 
Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of these 
items.  Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with Sonar and need 
to augment Sonar with other items.We have stood up LibreNMS and believe 
this will give us the functionality we are looking for.   Specifically, we 
think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled and graphed properly as 
well as control some of the annoying notification issues we have in Sonar.   If 
you have some interest in talking more to see if the issues we faced are 
similar to what you are looking at, we can connect offlist.

The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it.   However, we are 
finding it to be pretty stable and customizable.That is where we are seeing 
challenges with Sonar.   Sonar would also likely require you to move to their 
billing platform and so on.   It does a pretty good job of that.

Thanks,

David Coudron


From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

Hey all,

We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our NOC so 
we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently, we use a 
hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our network. It's 
ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of what is happening 
is cumbersome at best.
What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control 
panel/dashboard?

I am looking for:
bandwidth usage
ping times
frame utilization
customer counts
switch port logging

basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.

Thanks!
Sam

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[AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,

We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our NOC
so we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently, we
use a hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our
network. It's ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of
what is happening is cumbersome at best.
What do you guys use to bring your networks health into one source/control
panel/dashboard?

I am looking for:
bandwidth usage
ping times
frame utilization
customer counts
switch port logging

basically a really nice SNMP and more package that is robust.

Thanks!
Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B

[Ken Hohhof]

Traco TSP-BCMU360 fed from a 24V power supply), or integrated TSPC 240-124UPS, 
will provide regulated 24 VDC while charging and managing a 12V battery string. 
 Not recommended for sites with a large power draw.

 

Phoenix Contact has a DIN rail UPS series that provides regulated DC voltage, 
but it jumps to the battery voltage when running on battery power, which kind 
of defeats the purpose.  Except I guess that battery voltage will not be as 
high when it is supplying power rather than being charged?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell UPS AD155B

 

Any of the current UBNT products will handle 27v just fine. 

 

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:21 PM Rhys Cuff (Latrobe IT) mailto:r...@latrobeit.com.au> > wrote:

 

Hello

 

I use Meanwell AD155B’s to charge and run my 24V load.

Unfortunately the charge voltage is a tad high for the ubnt products I use.

 

I use a DCDC converter to go from 27v down to 24v

 

Is this the recommended solution? Seems a waste just to drop 3v

 

Does anyone know of a more suited PSU/charger/LVD unit? Perhaps with adjustable 
charge and load voltages.

 

Thanks

 

Rhys

 

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