Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Warren King]

I've used Sta Lube boat trailer wheel bearing grease for assembly.

On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like grease 
> the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky nasty 
> black stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball hitch on 
> his car prior to pulling his camp trailer. 
>  
> Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One of 
> the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main shaft and 
> the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a touchy 
> thing.  You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings and hope 
> they do not fall out during assembly.
>  
> I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering melting 
> some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of what I 
> remember. 
>  
> Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Bill Prince]

I still have maybe an ounce of it left after around 30 years. The toothpick
I left in the container is very well lubed now.

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 6:22 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> You got me curious so I went out to the garage to check it. It's Bel-Ray
> waterproof grease. Very thick stuff. It would most definitely hold bearings
> in place for assembly.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Bel-Ray-FBA_99540-TB16W-Waterproof-Grease/dp/B0045L75M6?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B0045L75M6
>
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>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 6:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> That sounds like maybe marine grease.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck, could you use wheel bearing grease, or maybe assembly grease?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is some stuff that I have from back in motorcycle days. I don't
>> remember where I got it, but it said "salt water resistant" on the package.
>> I still use it (the little container lasts a long, long, LONG time). I use
>> it to lube the PTO shaft on the tractor and mower. Also use it on the hitch
>> pins/draw pins for different accessories. Very sticky stuff, but it's not
>> black. More like a dark brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could take a picture of it, but that container must be 30 years old...
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like
>> grease the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky
>> nasty black stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball
>> hitch on his car prior to pulling his camp trailer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One
>> of the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main
>> shaft and the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a
>> touchy thing.  You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings
>> and hope they do not fall out during assembly.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering
>> melting some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of
>> what I remember.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Bill Prince]

You got me curious so I went out to the garage to check it. It's Bel-Ray
waterproof grease. Very thick stuff. It would most definitely hold bearings
in place for assembly.

https://www.amazon.com/Bel-Ray-FBA_99540-TB16W-Waterproof-Grease/dp/B0045L75M6?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B0045L75M6

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 6:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That sounds like maybe marine grease.
>
>
>
> Chuck, could you use wheel bearing grease, or maybe assembly grease?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease
>
>
>
>
>
> There is some stuff that I have from back in motorcycle days. I don't
> remember where I got it, but it said "salt water resistant" on the package.
> I still use it (the little container lasts a long, long, LONG time). I use
> it to lube the PTO shaft on the tractor and mower. Also use it on the hitch
> pins/draw pins for different accessories. Very sticky stuff, but it's not
> black. More like a dark brown.
>
>
>
> I could take a picture of it, but that container must be 30 years old...
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like
> grease the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky
> nasty black stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball
> hitch on his car prior to pulling his camp trailer.
>
>
>
> Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One
> of the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main
> shaft and the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a
> touchy thing.  You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings
> and hope they do not fall out during assembly.
>
>
>
> I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering
> melting some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of
> what I remember.
>
>
>
> Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Ken Hohhof]

That sounds like maybe marine grease.

 

Chuck, could you use wheel bearing grease, or maybe assembly grease?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

 

 

There is some stuff that I have from back in motorcycle days. I don't remember 
where I got it, but it said "salt water resistant" on the package. I still use 
it (the little container lasts a long, long, LONG time). I use it to lube the 
PTO shaft on the tractor and mower. Also use it on the hitch pins/draw pins for 
different accessories. Very sticky stuff, but it's not black. More like a dark 
brown.

 

I could take a picture of it, but that container must be 30 years old...




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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like grease 
the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky nasty black 
stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball hitch on his car 
prior to pulling his camp trailer.  

 

Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One of 
the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main shaft and 
the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a touchy thing.  
You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings and hope they do 
not fall out during assembly.

 

I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering melting 
some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of what I 
remember.  

 

Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Bill Prince]

And isn't Axel a person's name? I thought the thing a tire rotates on is an
axle.

Don't pay attention to me. Get off my lawn!

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:52 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> There is some stuff that I have from back in motorcycle days. I don't
> remember where I got it, but it said "salt water resistant" on the package.
> I still use it (the little container lasts a long, long, LONG time). I use
> it to lube the PTO shaft on the tractor and mower. Also use it on the hitch
> pins/draw pins for different accessories. Very sticky stuff, but it's not
> black. More like a dark brown.
>
> I could take a picture of it, but that container must be 30 years old...
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like
>> grease the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky
>> nasty black stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball
>> hitch on his car prior to pulling his camp trailer.
>>
>> Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One
>> of the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main
>> shaft and the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a
>> touchy thing.  You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings
>> and hope they do not fall out during assembly.
>>
>> I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering
>> melting some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of
>> what I remember.
>>
>> Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Bill Prince]

There is some stuff that I have from back in motorcycle days. I don't
remember where I got it, but it said "salt water resistant" on the package.
I still use it (the little container lasts a long, long, LONG time). I use
it to lube the PTO shaft on the tractor and mower. Also use it on the hitch
pins/draw pins for different accessories. Very sticky stuff, but it's not
black. More like a dark brown.

I could take a picture of it, but that container must be 30 years old...

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 5:35 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like
> grease the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky
> nasty black stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball
> hitch on his car prior to pulling his camp trailer.
>
> Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One
> of the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main
> shaft and the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a
> touchy thing.  You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings
> and hope they do not fall out during assembly.
>
> I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering
> melting some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of
> what I remember.
>
> Anyone know of a super thick and sticky grease?
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[AFMUG] OT Axel Grease

[Chuck McCown]

When I was a kid, my grandfather had a container of axel grease.  Like grease 
the hubs/axels of a horse drawn vehicle axel grease.  It was sticky nasty black 
stuff.  The only use I knew about was he would grease the ball hitch on his car 
prior to pulling his camp trailer.  

Tomorrow I start the reassembly of a big ol dump truck transmission.  One of 
the things I will need to do is to mate the input shaft to the main shaft and 
the input shaft has a bunch of needle bearings inside.  Always a touchy thing.  
You grease up the input shaft, carefully place the bearings and hope they do 
not fall out during assembly.

I wish I had some of my grandfather’s axel grease.  I am considering melting 
some paraffin and adding some grease to make a sticky facsimile of what I 
remember.  

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Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

[chuck]

I brought it into the office and ran some measured pieces through.  
It has a meters/second setting and they were doing some mental math to come up 
with the higher number.
And they did not blow as far as I thought that run was.  

It was doing 350 fpm, but still that is really hauling a$$

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

The guys say it was really doing about 600 fpm.  So 6.81 MPH
I have never seen a blowing machine go this fast.  

But the machine was originally designed for heavy large copper cable so it is 
vastly overkill for microfiber.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

Wow. That's almost 6 MPH. Would like to see that in operation.



bp


On 3/8/2019 10:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I got a junk Condux fiber blower in trade for plowing some cable.  I bought 
new pads for the belt and machined them down to fit microfiber.  I made new 
inserts to grip and seal on microfiber and microduct.  

  We tried it out this morning.  Blew 5000’ in 10 minutes.  
  And that is using an 85 CFM 120 PSI compressor.

  I am liking my piece of junk that I fixed up.

   



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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[chuck]

Yeah, too steep for me.  I use AutoCadLT subscription model
Most developers will give us cad files of the power design.  We hopefully can 
get in the same ditch and just use their drawing.

If you want to integrate drawings, then there is the whole landbase issue that 
I have not yet solved.  
Like everything to be in GIS but have not wanted to endure the learning curve.  
I can throw an Google Earth image behind an AutoCad drawing and trace up the 
streets etc in very little time and it is accurate enough to get the permits.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

Vetro Fibermap looks pretty nice, the price is a bit steep though IMO. I've 
been using Google Earth.


On Saturday, March 9, 2019, Chris Fabien  wrote:

  We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's the 
best software but it gets the job done. 

  Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road. 
Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring setup. 
Worth asking though.



  On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels 
layer from the county.




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Midwest Internet Exchange

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From: "TJ Trout" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting


how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? 
I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans 
showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you 
take that to the local building department and pull a permit? 

For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or 
an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?




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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Jason McKemie]

Vetro Fibermap looks pretty nice, the price is a bit steep though IMO. I've
been using Google Earth.


On Saturday, March 9, 2019, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's
> the best software but it gets the job done.
>
> Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road.
> Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring
> setup. Worth asking though.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a
>> parcels layer from the county.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
>>
>> how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling
>> permits? I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need
>> professional plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth,
>> streets, etc then you take that to the local building department and pull a
>> permit?
>>
>> For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways
>> or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Chris Fabien]

We do essentially the same using MapInfo Professional. I'm not sure it's
the best software but it gets the job done.

Some permit agencies require using a locatable method to cross the road.
Meaning yes you need a drill and cant use a missile or compaction boring
setup. Worth asking though.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2019, 9:28 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels
> layer from the county.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
>
> how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits?
> I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional
> plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc
> then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit?
>
> For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways
> or an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

736 Remington is not far from where we lived in Sunnyvale (we had a
residence in Sunnyvale from 1980-1996 before we moved into the mountains).

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 7:38 AM Robert  wrote:

> 736 Remington Drive 1962-1969...   Lockheed was the big employer.
> Doctors were the top of the income pyramid..  Cherry orchards
> everywhere..  A different world in Sunnyvale back then...
>
> On 3/9/19 7:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >
> > Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a
> > field job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our
> > company and laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me
> > because I was cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6,
> > half quit and walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining
> > employees of what had been over 600 when I'd started.
> >
> > I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but
> > there were now openings all over the country; one of which was
> > Sunnyvale, California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the
> > service, and I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area _*_WAY_*_ better
> > than Gary, so I said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was
> > like the proverbial "coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown  > > wrote:
> >
> > Did you move there before the electronics boom?
> > *From:* Bill Prince
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just
> > driving down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of
> > them going the opposite direction.
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> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews
> >  wrote:
> >
> > & I was just driving behind a 100D
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> >  > If only…..
> >  >
> >  > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh
> Luthman
> >  > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> >  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >  >
> >  > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be
> > an electric
> >  > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
> > the only
> >  > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a
> windshield.
> >  >
> >  > Josh Luthman
> >  > Office: 937-552-2340
> >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  > Suite 1337
> >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  >  > > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >  >
> >  > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> >  > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> >  > P85D is the performance version.
> >  > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >  >
> >  > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> >  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> >  > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> >  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >  >
> >  > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> >  > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: Robert Andrews
> >  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> >  > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> >  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >  >
> >  > Tesla 3
> >  >
> >  > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >  >
> >  > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
> >  wrote:
> >  >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the
> > lease is expired.
> >  > > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased
> > range is
> >  > rumored
> >  >  > to be out in June.
> >  >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time
> > around.
> >  >  > Any opinions?
> >  > >
> >  >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

736 Remington Drive 1962-1969...   Lockheed was the big employer. 
Doctors were the top of the income pyramid..  Cherry orchards 
everywhere..  A different world in Sunnyvale back then...


On 3/9/19 7:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a 
field job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our 
company and laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me 
because I was cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6, 
half quit and walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining 
employees of what had been over 600 when I'd started.


I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but 
there were now openings all over the country; one of which was 
Sunnyvale, California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the 
service, and I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area _*_WAY_*_ better 
than Gary, so I said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was 
like the proverbial "coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.


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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Did you move there before the electronics boom?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just
driving down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of
them going the opposite direction.
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
 > If only…..
 >
 > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
 > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
 > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be
an electric
 > car?  Is it just electric + price?
 >
 >
 > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
the only
 > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > wrote:
 >
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.
 > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
 > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
 > To: af@af.afmug.com 
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Robert Andrews
 > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
 > To: af@af.afmug.com 
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
 >
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
 >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the
lease is expired.
 > > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased
range is
 > rumored
 >  > to be out in June.
 >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time
around.
 >  > Any opinions?
 > >
 >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Yes. In your PPPoE profile, you'd specify a v6 Prefix Pool for both
the "Remote IPv6 Prefix Pool" and the "DHCPv6 PD Pool" (it can be
from the same pool, it will assign them two prefixes from that
pool). The former is for the WAN port of the customer's device and
the latter is for the delegated prefix that goes on the LAN (and is
what creates the dynamic DHCPv6 instance) - most consumer routers
that support v6 need both the address for it's WAN interface and the
PD prefix for the LAN before they'll route IPv6.
Need to allow DHCPv6 in the Input of the IPv6 firewall (if you're
otherwise blocking most other input).
If you want to also provide both IPv4 and IPv6 DNS servers to your
dual-stacked PPPoE subs, you need to add IPv6 DNS servers to the
Mikrotik in IP-DNS along side whatever v4 DNS servers you have on
there. It will use those to pass along to the PPPoE subs
(unfortunately, can't just specify the v6 DNS servers in the PPPoE
profile like you can the v4 DNS servers.
If you have a series of input firewall rules for IPv4 to protect the
router, you'll want to duplicate those in IPv6.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
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  Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 3/8/19 8:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


  
  I was playing with an example from the Wiki.  Looks like it
  dynamically creates a dhcp6 server instance on the server end of
  the PPPoE tunnel and makes a prefix delegation to the client.  The
  example didn't include ipv4, but I assume that v4 address gets
  assigned by PPP as normal.  Is that the gist?
  
  -Adam
  
  
  On 3/8/2019 6:50 PM, Jesse DuPont
wrote:
  
  

I've chosen to have PPPoE servers at each tower because I'm
routed and already have a router there, but centralized or
routed, doesn't matter - pros and cons to both.
I also have dual-stack v4/v6 in production on PPPoE with
Mikrotik as concentrators - works great. Few gotchas that aren't
intuitive, but nothing crazy.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 3/8/19 4:03 PM, Dennis Burgess
  via AF wrote:


  Depends on your network and its exit points.   
Yes you can have dual or quad PPPoE Servers.
Nope you can run PPPoE in a VLAN
Yes you can simply dual-stack with PPPoE, it’s the simplest method to do so.  At the same time no problem.


Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4 and v6 at the same time.

Anything else a newb should do or not do?



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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. Usually shapefiles come with a .PRJ file that defines the coordinate 
system. I would think something created in a GIS system in the first place 
would be more likely to have that file passed along than one created in a CAD 
environment and then exported. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 9:00:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting 

You have to be very careful with your coordinate reference system. There are 
(literally) thousands of them. One advantage of using the county GIS data and 
aerials is that the aerials are (usually) corrected and in the same CRS as the 
SHP files. 


Mark 





On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



I've often found that drawings are often wrong when projected in a GIS 
environment. It could be simple coincidence. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:41:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting 


There are a number of options, none I’m completely in love with yet. 


In any case - start with your counties GIS department. It’s usually part of 
either the tax office or the engineers office and ask them for the GIS files 
for parcels, ROW, addresses, road centerlines, etc. Also ask for copies of the 
high resolution aerial images. Most will provide all of this to you for free or 
a nominal charge. 


QGIS is a fantastic GIS program and the price is right (free). It’s nearly as 
capable as many of the high end GIS systems these days. Where it’s somewhat 
lacking for making construction prints is that it’s not a CAD system so drawing 
on it is a bit awkward but very doable. I have made complete construction 
prints with it several times. 


A more expensive option is AutoCAD MAP 3D. The Map3D extensions to AutoCAD add 
the ability to work with shape files (GIS) files. If you already know AutoCAD 
and want to avoid the learning curve of QGIS it might be worth the software 
cost to you. 


Mark 


Something like this is our typical construction drawing out of GQIS: 


 




On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:30 AM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? I'm 
assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans 
showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you 
take that to the local building department and pull a permit? 


For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or an 
I get away with a pneumatic missile ? 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

It's a single lane, mountain road, and I don't travel according to the
commute direction.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 5:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > >
> wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  > wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
> >  >
> >  >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

Yes. It was pure luck. My first "real" job, and I was destined for a field
job in Gary, Indiana. Two weeks after that, Sperry bought our company and
laid off 5 out of 6 of the employees. I figure they kept me because I was
cheap (fresh out of college). Of the remaining 1 out of 6, half quit and
walked out. So I was now one of about 50 remaining employees of what had
been over 600 when I'd started.

I got called in and informed that the job in Gary was still there, but
there were now openings all over the country; one of which was Sunnyvale,
California. Well I'd been to the Bay area when I was in the service, and
I'd been to Gary too. I liked the Bay area *_WAY_* better than Gary, so I
said I'll go there. That was 48 years ago, and it was like the proverbial
"coming out smelling like a rose" kind of thing.


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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
>
> --
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>>
>> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>> > If only…..
>> >
>> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
>> electric
>> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
>> >
>> >
>> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
>> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>> >
>> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>> > P85D is the performance version.
>> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>> >
>> > Seriously considering a used model S.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>> >
>> > Tesla 3
>> >
>> > Sorry, cheap shot !
>> >
>> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> wrote:
>> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
>> expired.
>> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>> > rumored
>> >  > to be out in June.
>> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>> >  > Any opinions?
>> >  >
>> >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Mark Radabaugh]

You have to be very careful with your coordinate reference system.   There are 
(literally) thousands of them.  One advantage of using the county GIS data and 
aerials is that the aerials are (usually) corrected and in the same CRS as the 
SHP files. 

Mark

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I've often found that drawings are often wrong when projected in a GIS 
> environment. It could be simple coincidence.
> 
> 
> 
> -
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>  
> 
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> 
>  
> From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:41:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting
> 
> There are a number of options, none I’m completely in love with yet.
> 
> In any case - start with your counties GIS department.  It’s usually part of 
> either the tax office or the engineers office and ask them for the GIS files 
> for parcels, ROW, addresses, road centerlines, etc.   Also ask for copies of 
> the high resolution aerial images.  Most will provide all of this to you for 
> free or a nominal charge.  
> 
> QGIS is a fantastic GIS program and the price is right (free).   It’s nearly 
> as capable as many of the high end GIS systems these days.   Where it’s 
> somewhat lacking for making construction prints is that it’s not a CAD system 
> so drawing on it is a bit awkward but very doable.   I have made complete 
> construction prints with it several times.
> 
> A more expensive option is AutoCAD MAP 3D.  The Map3D extensions to AutoCAD 
> add the ability to work with shape files (GIS) files.   If you already know 
> AutoCAD and want to avoid the learning curve of QGIS it might be worth the 
> software cost to you.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Something like this is our typical construction drawing out of GQIS:
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:30 AM, TJ Trout  > wrote:
> 
> how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? 
> I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans 
> showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you 
> take that to the local building department and pull a permit?
> 
> For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or 
> an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Mike Hammett]

I use ArcGIS with a center line layer from the Census Bureau and a parcels 
layer from the county. 




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From: "TJ Trout"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:30:36 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting 


how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? I'm 
assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans 
showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you 
take that to the local building department and pull a permit? 


For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or an 
I get away with a pneumatic missile ? 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant

[justsumname]

One of the best threads evar
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Kudos to Forrest, he zeroed right in on the problem.
>
> I had blinders on, and focused on the control circuitry instead of the
> regulators.
>
>
>
> Plus you were in a great position to evaluate consultants, already knowing
> part of the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *canopy--- via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:01 PM
> *To:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Cc:* can...@believewireless.net ; AnimalFarm
> Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant
>
>
>
> Forrest, you rock! Per your suggestion, I reached out to eevblog to find
> someone that could help.
>
> One guy that responded recognized the thermal problem you described. He
> was the only one that
>
> brought it up. Upon looking at my design, he explained why a few other
> problems were happening.
>
>
>
> I've had several others look at it in the past and not one noticed the
> problem with that chip. Thanks
>
> again for your insight and suggestions.
>
>
>
> Chuck and Ken, you both helped me realize the design was flawed even when
> some other "experts"
>
> just recommended tweaking it.
>
>
>
> I just wish I had reached out to the list sooner. I keep forgetting the
> depth and breadth of knowledge here.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:55 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Simplified mental picture statement:  a linear regulator like the
> AZ2117 works by burning off excess voltage as heat.
>
> Assume you have a circuit which takes 500mA @ 3V.   If you want to
> feed it with 12V, and use a linear regulator, the circuit is still
> going to take 500mA but at 12V, with 500mA@9V being turned into heat
> by the linear regulator and 500mA@3V being turned into heat by your
> circuit.
>
> 500mA x 9V = 4.5W.
>
> Each type of case can dissipate (or get rid of) a certain amount of
> power.   The AZ2117 couldn't get rid of power quickly enough so it
> overheated.   It happened to have over temperature protection so it
> shut down.  Less sophisticated regulators will destroy themselves.
>
> The VXO8705-500 is a switchmode regulator, which effectively works
> like the following:
>
> Assume you have a circuit which takes 500mA@3V.   If you want to feed
> it with 12V, and use a switchmode regulator, the switchmode regulator
> very quickly turns the power on for 25% of the time, and off for 75%
> of the time, making an average of 12V*25%=3V.   The average current
> used at 12V will also be cut in a quarter, so you'd have 125mA@12V.
>  Because it's switching it on and off there is very little heat
> generated.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM canopy--- via AF  wrote:
> >
> > Forrest, I added the VXO7805-500 between the battery and the board and
> now the board appears to
> > be working reliably from battery. It's always worked fine via USB. Can
> you explain why going from 12V
> > down to 5V makes the circuit work reliably? When the AZ2117 was reducing
> voltage was it also reducing
> > the amps going through as well?
> >
> > I like the TPPM0301 but yes, I could use a few more mA. Also, I'd like a
> wider temperature
> > range. I found another 500mA version but it has the same 0-70C operating
> range.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 1:15 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> I never looked at the data sheet until Forrest noticed the thermal
> problem.
> >> Surface mount.  I use similar packages in some products.  My pcb is
> double
> >> sided with large lands with a bazillion vias perforating it trying to
> use
> >> the PCB as a heatsink.  It sucks for any real amount of heat.  I am
> able to
> >> get rid of about 5 watts without turning things brown and having the
> parts
> >> unsolder themselves.
> >>
> >> In your case, the reg has a thermal shutdown circuit so you never got
> to the
> >> obvious smoke and self disassembly clues.
> >>
> >> The data sheet says you can flow -20C air over it at 8 watts...
> >> Just spray it with freon and you are good to go!
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 10:23 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant
> >>
> >> Like Chuck said, pretty much any switchmode regulator aka buck
> >> converter aka dc-dc converter.   This is where you end up with
> >> cost/benefits - there are fully integrated ones out there which are
> >> expensive but easy.   A quick mouser search turns up a VXO7805-500 as
> >> an example.   You can also do all of the design yourself, which is
> >> where datasheets come in handy.
> >>
> >> Note that this isn't going to be a drop in replacement since the USB
> >> voltage isn't going to be enough to power this with the switch method
> >> you are using.   I'd reccomend setting this up so the bat goes
> >> directly into the regulator (it might even be reverse polarity
> >> protected, if 

Re: [AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[Chuck McCown]

I use autocad with a google earth image underneath.  You can missile if the 
soil is good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 12:30 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits? 
> I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional plans 
> showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc then you 
> take that to the local building department and pull a permit?
> 
> For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or 
> an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
> 
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