Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit PoE pinout

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The unique thing about gigabit is that there is data on all 4
  pairs. Therefore, any pairs that have power need to go through
  magnetics/transformers. If there is power on 2 pairs, then they
  need the transformer/magnetic isolation. If there is power on 4
  pairs, then all 4 need the transformer/magnetic treatment.


bp



On 6/5/2019 9:00 PM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  
  Gotcha, I'll check out the stock injectors. I was under the
  impression all gigabit PoE was power on 4 pairs. Thanks.
  
  On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, Nate Burke 
  wrote:
  
 The POE Injector that
  comes with the unit will shed some light.  It should say what
  pins have +/-  Tik and small UBNT Radios only have power on 2
  pairs.  Airfiber Radios have power on all 4 pairs.  
  
  On 6/5/2019 10:45 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
  
  I'm trying to figure out what
polarities go to what pins to configure some GigE-POE-APC
injectors/surge suppressors - but all the documentation I've
found is being unnecessarily cagey about the pinout. Most
only show two pairs having power. I'm trying to power
Mikrotik and Ubiquiti gear via 24v. Any resources that
someone can point me to? 


  
  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit PoE pinout

[Mathew Howard]

Nope, most are only two pairs. UBNT (with the exception of airfiber), are
all 4,5+/7,8-, and Mikrotik is the same. But most gigabit PoE devices will
take any pinout.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Gotcha, I'll check out the stock injectors. I was under the impression all
> gigabit PoE was power on 4 pairs. Thanks.
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> The POE Injector that comes with the unit will shed some light.  It
>> should say what pins have +/-  Tik and small UBNT Radios only have power on
>> 2 pairs.  Airfiber Radios have power on all 4 pairs.
>>
>> On 6/5/2019 10:45 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out what polarities go to what pins to configure
>> some GigE-POE-APC injectors/surge suppressors - but all the documentation
>> I've found is being unnecessarily cagey about the pinout. Most only show
>> two pairs having power. I'm trying to power Mikrotik and Ubiquiti gear via
>> 24v. Any resources that someone can point me to?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit PoE pinout

[Jason McKemie]

Gotcha, I'll check out the stock injectors. I was under the impression all
gigabit PoE was power on 4 pairs. Thanks.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, Nate Burke  wrote:

> The POE Injector that comes with the unit will shed some light.  It should
> say what pins have +/-  Tik and small UBNT Radios only have power on 2
> pairs.  Airfiber Radios have power on all 4 pairs.
>
> On 6/5/2019 10:45 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'm trying to figure out what polarities go to what pins to configure some
> GigE-POE-APC injectors/surge suppressors - but all the documentation I've
> found is being unnecessarily cagey about the pinout. Most only show two
> pairs having power. I'm trying to power Mikrotik and Ubiquiti gear via 24v.
> Any resources that someone can point me to?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit PoE pinout

[Nate Burke]

The POE Injector that comes with the unit will shed some light.  It 
should say what pins have +/-  Tik and small UBNT Radios only have power 
on 2 pairs.  Airfiber Radios have power on all 4 pairs.


On 6/5/2019 10:45 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'm trying to figure out what polarities go to what pins to configure 
some GigE-POE-APC injectors/surge suppressors - but all the 
documentation I've found is being unnecessarily cagey about the 
pinout. Most only show two pairs having power. I'm trying to power 
Mikrotik and Ubiquiti gear via 24v. Any resources that someone can 
point me to?





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[AFMUG] Gigabit PoE pinout

[Jason McKemie]

I'm trying to figure out what polarities go to what pins to configure some
GigE-POE-APC injectors/surge suppressors - but all the documentation I've
found is being unnecessarily cagey about the pinout. Most only show two
pairs having power. I'm trying to power Mikrotik and Ubiquiti gear via 24v.
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Jason McKemie]

I had a fairly small sampling, one was a consumer unit, the other two were
data center rackmount versions - one of which completely bricked itself and
took everything behind it down. I was not impressed. I'll look again
though, it has been a while. Thanks.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Not all APC units are the same.  Their “consumer” line that you can buy at
> Walmart and staples are junk unless you need something for your desktop
> computer only.
>
> If you buy the server room/data center versions they are much more robust.
>
> We’ve been using them for 18+ years and I enjoy that they let me sleep at
> night.
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I had some bad experiences with APC units just outright failing and
>> dropping power to everything about a decade or so ago.  I take it you
>> haven't experienced this?
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:40 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> APC 1000XL + external packs for small sites
>>>
>>> 3000 for large sites
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:44 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them
 as far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are
 climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an
 Alpha in a situation like this.

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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Sean Heskett]

Not all APC units are the same.  Their “consumer” line that you can buy at
Walmart and staples are junk unless you need something for your desktop
computer only.

If you buy the server room/data center versions they are much more robust.

We’ve been using them for 18+ years and I enjoy that they let me sleep at
night.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I had some bad experiences with APC units just outright failing and
> dropping power to everything about a decade or so ago.  I take it you
> haven't experienced this?
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:40 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> APC 1000XL + external packs for small sites
>>
>> 3000 for large sites
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:44 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them
>>> as far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are
>>> climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an
>>> Alpha in a situation like this.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s the Duchess of Sussex.  Never mind,  that’s the nasty list.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:01 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

I'm pretty sure Chuck put me on the naughty list. ;)

 

Keefe 

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 3:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Being drowned out by a Russian woodpecker.

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:17 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

 

Alot of static. try going outside and sending it

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:02 AM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

10-4

 

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:22 PM Keefe John mailto:kj...@ethoplex.com> > wrote:

Can anyone hear me now?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Keefe John]

I'm pretty sure Chuck put me on the naughty list. ;)

Keefe

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 3:20 PM  wrote:

> Being drowned out by a Russian woodpecker.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another test
>
> Alot of static. try going outside and sending it
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:02 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> 10-4
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:22 PM Keefe John  wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone hear me now?
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups


Charles,

I do the cyberpower OL1500RTXL2U units.  Not cheap, but work great with our 3rd world power and generator.

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We’ve had good success with the CyberPower CPS1500AVR coupled with the RMCARD205 for SNMP management.  IIRC it’s not true sine wave but so far they have worked out well.  We have about 35 to 40 installed.  I think we land them for around $430 including the management card.
 
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Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups
 
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Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them as far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an Alpha in a situation like this. 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Charles Boening]

We’ve had good success with the CyberPower CPS1500AVR coupled with the 
RMCARD205 for SNMP management.  IIRC it’s not true sine wave but so far they 
have worked out well.  We have about 35 to 40 installed.  I think we land them 
for around $430 including the management card.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or 
sharing sensitive information.
Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them as far 
as UPS / battery backups for installations that are climate controlled?  It 
seems like overkill to install something like an Alpha in a situation like this.

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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Ken Hohhof]

I have some sites with old SU1400RMXL with a couple external 8D batteries.  
They have been reliable, but I’m a little scared because that equipment is 
going on 15 years old.  I would use your own AGM batteries with some Powerpole 
connectors rather than APC battery packs.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

 

I had some bad experiences with APC units just outright failing and dropping 
power to everything about a decade or so ago.  I take it you haven't 
experienced this?

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:40 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

APC 1000XL + external packs for small sites

 

3000 for large sites

 

-Sean

 

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:44 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them as far 
as UPS / battery backups for installations that are climate controlled?  It 
seems like overkill to install something like an Alpha in a situation like this.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Jason McKemie]

I had some bad experiences with APC units just outright failing and
dropping power to everything about a decade or so ago.  I take it you
haven't experienced this?

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:40 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> APC 1000XL + external packs for small sites
>
> 3000 for large sites
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:44 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them
>> as far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are
>> climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an
>> Alpha in a situation like this.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Sean Heskett]

APC 1000XL + external packs for small sites

3000 for large sites

-Sean


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:44 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them as
> far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are
> climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an
> Alpha in a situation like this.
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[AFMUG] Indoor Battery Backups

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have recommendations on what has been working well for them as
far as UPS / battery backups for installations that are
climate controlled?  It seems like overkill to install something like an
Alpha in a situation like this.

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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[chuck]

Being drowned out by a Russian woodpecker.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another test

Alot of static. try going outside and sending it

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:02 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  10-4

  On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:22 PM Keefe John  wrote:

Can anyone hear me now?

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Re: [AFMUG] Another test

[Steve Jones]

Alot of static. try going outside and sending it

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:02 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> 10-4
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[AFMUG] Telrad Compact 1000

[SmarterBroadband]

Hi

 

I am looking for some used Telrad Compact 1000 3.65MHz LTE eNB.   Anyone
have any to sell?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Ken Hohhof]

Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a 
problem if you hired me as an installer.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

 

Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is 
probably more valuable than tech experience.

 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but 
couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in someone that 
knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a 
simple router setup.

Jerry Head wrote:
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
>>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
>>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
>>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>>  > 
 wrote:

 When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
 bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
 farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
 climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
 and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got 
 there on
 my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
 category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
 probably deserved it a few more times.

 I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
 with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
 correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also 
 plugged a
 DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also 
 melted a
 NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.

 My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
 difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I 
 tagged
 along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 
 10/22.  I
 slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
 anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks 
 with
 homemade black powder and/or match heads.

 My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
 lawnmower, and so on.

 Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
 took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. 
 Things
 like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, 
 and
 a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

 So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job 
 applicant
 is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?  
 How do
 I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills 
 too
 like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
 stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

[Ken Hohhof]

If it was just one site, I would ask if they had solar feeding back into the 
grid, but you say it is a whole town.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:45 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

 

Might be the taps on a voltage regulator that explain the steps in the 
voltages.  

Odd about the 4 day bit.  I would call and ask.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:24 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

 

Just trying to understand the power company's reasoning behind this.  Since 
December, the Local utility has been fluctuating the line voltage on a weekly 
basis.  This is happening on all my UPS's across an entire town.  For about 4 
days it will be 116v, then for 4 days it will be 124v.  It just cycles between 
the 2 voltages.  I understand the day/night voltage dips with system load, but 
the every 4 day change has me puzzled.  Unless they are regularly switching 
generating sources?  I would have thought that at some point any generation 
voltage change would be evened out.  

Line Voltage - 100


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

[chuck]

Might be the taps on a voltage regulator that explain the steps in the 
voltages.  
Odd about the 4 day bit.  I would call and ask.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:24 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

Just trying to understand the power company's reasoning behind this.  Since 
December, the Local utility has been fluctuating the line voltage on a weekly 
basis.  This is happening on all my UPS's across an entire town.  For about 4 
days it will be 116v, then for 4 days it will be 124v.  It just cycles between 
the 2 voltages.  I understand the day/night voltage dips with system load, but 
the every 4 day change has me puzzled.  Unless they are regularly switching 
generating sources?  I would have thought that at some point any generation 
voltage change would be evened out.  

Line Voltage - 100





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/5/19 7:24 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Just trying to understand the power company's reasoning behind this.  
Since December, the Local utility has been fluctuating the line voltage 
on a weekly basis.  This is happening on all my UPS's across an entire 
town.  For about 4 days it will be 116v, then for 4 days it will be 
124v.  It just cycles between the 2 voltages.  I understand the 
day/night voltage dips with system load, but the every 4 day change has 
me puzzled.  Unless they are regularly switching generating sources?  I 
would have thought that at some point any generation voltage change 
would be evened out.



Probably just switching within the distribution system, like if they're 
doing line work somewhere.


If you're fed underground that adds significant capacitance to the lines 
compared to aerial, which limits the ability of an underground line to 
deliver power. If you're on a looped distribution you can end up on the 
near side or far side of the tie in point depending on current switching 
config of the distribution loop.


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[AFMUG] OT: Utility Power voltage

[Nate Burke]

Just trying to understand the power company's reasoning behind this.  
Since December, the Local utility has been fluctuating the line voltage 
on a weekly basis.  This is happening on all my UPS's across an entire 
town.  For about 4 days it will be 116v, then for 4 days it will be 
124v.  It just cycles between the 2 voltages.  I understand the 
day/night voltage dips with system load, but the every 4 day change has 
me puzzled.  Unless they are regularly switching generating sources?  I 
would have thought that at some point any generation voltage change 
would be evened out.


Line Voltage - 100

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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Mathew Howard]

Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience
is probably more valuable than tech experience.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but
> couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in someone that
> knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a
> simple router setup.
>
> Jerry Head wrote:
> > Disagree.
> > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
> > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> > He failed.
> > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> > We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> > So there's that I guess.
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A couple of thoughts:
> >>>
> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
> >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
> >>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
> >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
> >>> might help.
> >>>
> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
> >>> That might be a good starting point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett 
>  wrote:
> 
>  When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
>  bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
>  farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
>  climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
>  and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got
>  there on
>  my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
>  category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
>  probably deserved it a few more times.
> 
>  I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
>  with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
>  correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also
>  plugged a
>  DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also
>  melted a
>  NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.
> 
>  My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
>  difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I
>  tagged
>  along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger
>  10/22.  I
>  slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
>  anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks
>  with
>  homemade black powder and/or match heads.
> 
>  My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
>  lawnmower, and so on.
> 
>  Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
>  took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them.
>  Things
>  like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools,
>  and
>  a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
> 
>  So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job
>  applicant
>  is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?
>  How do
>  I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills
>  too
>  like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
>  stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Ken Hohhof]

We had a decade long bust in the housing market, and people in the building
trades were out of work or taking alternative jobs.  Not true anymore.

There is always the method of hiring veterans.  Sometimes there are local
organizations that hook up employers with young people returning from
military service.  They tend to be presentable, able to follow directions
and work in teams.  Their skills may be very specific to certain military
tasks and equipment, and they often have trouble describing their training
and experience on a resume without resorting to military jargon that
civilians don't understand.  But some of them probably know all about drill
bits, maybe even microwave equipment and computers.  A little extra effort
finding these people might pay off.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but
couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in someone that knows
a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple
router setup.

Jerry Head wrote:
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
>>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
>>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, 
>>> things like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

 When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go 
 for a bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept 
 ranging farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, 
 culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction 
 sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked 
 out of.  I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission 
 I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride".  I only 
 got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times.

 I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to 
 play with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that 
 I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also 
 plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. 
 I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the 
 charger too long.

 My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you 
 the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. 
 I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his 
 Ruger 10/22.  I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and 
 sometimes didn't bring anything but matches.  Played with 
 fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or 
 match heads.

 My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a 
 lawnmower, and so on.

 Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that 
 I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them.
 Things
 like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, 
 and a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

 So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job 
 applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything 
 works?
 How do
 I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills 
 too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can 
 figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the 
 road.


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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Jay Weekley]

Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but 
couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in someone that 
knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a 
simple router setup.


Jerry Head wrote:

Disagree.
We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
He failed.
My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
So there's that I guess.


On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:


A couple of thoughts:

Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
might help.

Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
That might be a good starting point.



On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett  
wrote:


When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got 
there on

my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
probably deserved it a few more times.

I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also 
plugged a
DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also 
melted a

NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.

My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I 
tagged
along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 
10/22.  I

slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks 
with

homemade black powder and/or match heads.

My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
lawnmower, and so on.

Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. 
Things
like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, 
and

a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job 
applicant
is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?  
How do
I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills 
too

like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.


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Re: [AFMUG] Batteries

[Keefe John]

Thanks Mark.

They could be 20 or 30 years old. Do they have a life that long?

Keefe

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 6:52 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Fiamms:  data sheet is here:
> https://www.fiamm.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/reserve/LM/LM-OPzS-FOLDER-NA_EN.pdf
>
> One option is to top them off with distilled water and try charging them
> and see what you get.   The other (and probably better) is to drain them,
> dispose of the battery acid, and refill them with new electrolyte.
>  Depending on what happened to them previously they may be fine or just a
> bunch of heavy junk.   If nothing else the lead in them is worth money.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jun 4, 2019, at 9:06 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>
> What kind of batteries are these, how long do they last, and how can I
> fill them back up?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Batteries

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Fiamms:  data sheet is here:  
https://www.fiamm.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/reserve/LM/LM-OPzS-FOLDER-NA_EN.pdf
 


One option is to top them off with distilled water and try charging them and 
see what you get.   The other (and probably better) is to drain them, dispose 
of the battery acid, and refill them with new electrolyte.Depending on what 
happened to them previously they may be fine or just a bunch of heavy junk.   
If nothing else the lead in them is worth money.

Mark

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> What kind of batteries are these, how long do they last, and how can I fill 
> them back up?
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