Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Chuck McCown]

Years ago.  The problem is that I could not get the pattern legal for the 
smaller antennas I built.  I never built 6’ or larger dishes so legally 6 GHz 
was out for me.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

Did you post about that project on here when you were toying with it?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 9:43 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I built experimental feedhorns for my dishes a few years back that would do 
it.  But they would not do it legally.  
  Fairly simple, circular waveguide inside another larger tube.  Waveguide mode 
in the 11 GHz and a form of coaxial mode for 6 GHz.  

  Those old AT cornucopia horns would do all frequencies.  Basically just 
larger and larger waveguide with the lower frequencies injected at the larger 
parts of the waveguide.  Took lots of physical space for the combiner but it 
was pretty cool.  I would have enjoyed designing them back in the 1950s.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

  are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: When to consider 450M?

[Ken Hohhof]

I wanted to try the new KP ProLine 2 ft dishes on some problem links, so the 
other day I scrounged a connectorized 450 SM and we swapped out a 450b high 
gain.

 

The signal improved about as much as expected, the interesting thing is the SNR 
on both VPOL and HPOL improved dramatically along with the modulation level.

 

KP was nice enough to incorporate a post to fasten the SM to.  It will be nice 
if the connectorized 450b will mount on it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: When to consider 450M?

 

It’s no secret Ken… just not coming soon enough! I would like to get it out 
sooner, and don’t want to hype it up, because it’s not going to be available 
until Q4. 

 

Rest assured, it is coming though.

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Seems to be a secret at Cambium.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Conn. 450b is coming so you can add a 2ft dish too 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the expense 
of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could hurt 
downlink.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi 

Gino Villarini 
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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Steve Jones]

Did you post about that project on here when you were toying with it?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 9:43 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I built experimental feedhorns for my dishes a few years back that would
> do it.  But they would not do it legally.
> Fairly simple, circular waveguide inside another larger tube.  Waveguide
> mode in the 11 GHz and a form of coaxial mode for 6 GHz.
>
> Those old AT cornucopia horns would do all frequencies.  Basically just
> larger and larger waveguide with the lower frequencies injected at the
> larger parts of the waveguide.  Took lots of physical space for the
> combiner but it was pretty cool.  I would have enjoyed designing them back
> in the 1950s.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna
>
> are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?
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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Steve Jones]

I wonder what the ballast weight would be on that bad mother grabber on an
npm.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I was under the impression there was a diplexor for this
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 8:06 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> man that would be bad-ass to run two ip20c-hp's or NxIP20c's in both 11
>> and 6 on the same dish!
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:59 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but you won’t find anything less than an 8’ shrouded platform.
>>> https://www.commscope.com/catalog/antennas/product_details.aspx?id=7
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
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>>> are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?
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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Chuck McCown]

Takes more than diplexors or filters.  The feed of the reflector is a bit 
tricky.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

I was under the impression there was a diplexor for this

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 8:06 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

  man that would be bad-ass to run two ip20c-hp's or NxIP20c's in both 11 and 6 
on the same dish!

  On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:59 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

Yes, but you won’t find anything less than an 8’ shrouded platform.  
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/antennas/product_details.aspx?id=7


Sent from my iPad

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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Chuck McCown]

I built experimental feedhorns for my dishes a few years back that would do it. 
 But they would not do it legally.  
Fairly simple, circular waveguide inside another larger tube.  Waveguide mode 
in the 11 GHz and a form of coaxial mode for 6 GHz.  

Those old AT cornucopia horns would do all frequencies.  Basically just 
larger and larger waveguide with the lower frequencies injected at the larger 
parts of the waveguide.  Took lots of physical space for the combiner but it 
was pretty cool.  I would have enjoyed designing them back in the 1950s.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?



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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Steve Jones]

I was under the impression there was a diplexor for this

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 8:06 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> man that would be bad-ass to run two ip20c-hp's or NxIP20c's in both 11
> and 6 on the same dish!
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:59 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Yes, but you won’t find anything less than an 8’ shrouded platform.
>> https://www.commscope.com/catalog/antennas/product_details.aspx?id=7
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
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>> are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?
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Re: [AFMUG] OTA DVR etc

[Chuck McCown]

I bought the airTV and am very pleased with it.  No monthly fees.  If you want 
the DVR function you have to use it with the Sling App but they have a free 
Sling version.  Sling version has a much better on screen guide.  

It has its own airTV app that does everything but DVR.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTA DVR etc

So what is the borg's conciseness on the best OTA tv interface that can do DVR, 
etc? 

I just realized I haven't turned on my DirecTV in weeks and it's 160mrc ! 

I was thinking of getting an IPTV solution + OTA antenna, needs to know the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OTA DVR etc

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We have had a ChannelMaster DVR+ for years and it's working fine.
  They replaced it with a newer version (called something else), but
  I don't remember the name of it. For everything else we run
  through a Roku. We're subscribed to Netflix and Prime for most
  videos, but the Roku search can usually find what we're looking
  for on something else for (typically) a one-time fee of $2.99 or
  $3.99. We don't watch that much stuff, so the total monthly spend
  is pretty minimal.


bp



On 6/27/2019 5:40 PM, TJ Trout wrote:


  
  So what is the borg's conciseness on the best OTA
tv interface that can do DVR, etc?


I just realized I haven't turned on my DirecTV in weeks and
  it's 160mrc ! 


I was thinking of getting an IPTV solution + OTA antenna,
  needs to know the best DVR or interface etc? 
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[TJ Trout]

man that would be bad-ass to run two ip20c-hp's or NxIP20c's in both 11 and
6 on the same dish!

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:59 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Yes, but you won’t find anything less than an 8’ shrouded platform.
> https://www.commscope.com/catalog/antennas/product_details.aspx?id=7
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
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> are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?
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Re: [AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Tim Hardy]

Yes, but you won’t find anything less than an 8’ shrouded platform.  
https://www.commscope.com/catalog/antennas/product_details.aspx?id=7

Sent from my iPad

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> are there solutions to run both freqs on the same antenna?
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Re: [AFMUG] OTA DVR etc

[Josh Baird]

I just ditched Dish and now I'm using Hulu Live across my entire house.
Pretty happy so far - the quality is excellent (better than Dish), but the
guide leaves a bit to be desired compared with Dish.  I hear they are
working on rolling out a new guide, though.  You may also consider YouTube
TV which has a very similar channel line-up.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:42 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> So what is the borg's conciseness on the best OTA tv interface that can do
> DVR, etc?
>
> I just realized I haven't turned on my DirecTV in weeks and it's 160mrc !
>
> I was thinking of getting an IPTV solution + OTA antenna, needs to know
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[AFMUG] OTA DVR etc

[TJ Trout]

So what is the borg's conciseness on the best OTA tv interface that can do
DVR, etc?

I just realized I haven't turned on my DirecTV in weeks and it's 160mrc !

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[AFMUG] 11,6ghz same antenna

[Steve Jones]

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Re: [AFMUG] Bench Testing PON

[chuck]

Check the olt/onu TX power.  Probably in the +2 to +4 dBm range.

Then check the maximum RX power of the ONT.  Probably in the –4 to –6 range.  

Get more attenuator than you need.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bench Testing PON

I've only been doing active until now, and most of that gear can be connected 
with a patch cable.  Is PON the same way, or do I need to attenuate the signal 
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Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

[Tim Withrow via AF]

rental is best  I would think if you're not going to put it the full use. 
Here's a couple links that can help you out.

https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/otdr-rentals

I would say go with the best to rent.



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On Thursday, June 27, 2019 Paul McCall  wrote:

  
 
We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise. 
 
  
 
Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?
 
  
 
Paul McCall, President 
 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
 
658 Old Dixie Highway
 
Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bench Testing PON

[Louis Arsenault]

I had to attenuate the signal. You can either do an inline attenuator or I
just grabbed an extra gpon splitter. IIRC I needed about 5db to get it to
work.

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j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

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[AFMUG] ODTR

[Paul McCall]

We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise.

Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?

Paul McCall, President
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Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings

[Steve Jones]

http://www.hi-techtowers.com/ these guys have a fiber division. Theyre
pretty good to deal with. Theyd probably offer you some guidance just to be
in your contact list. They may even point you to some prior candidates

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 7:11 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Are you tooled and looking just for a hire on operator or looking for an
> equipped guy?
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 6:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe just pull, blow, push?  ;-)
>>
>>
>> I got some ballpark pricing for someone to do that work, but I figured
>> with the amount we're doing, we'd see what it would cost to bring it
>> in-house.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:12:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings
>>
>> Push, pull, blow, splice is gonna cost you.
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:41 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings
>>
>> I'm looking for places you see fiber-related job postings. I'm looking to
>> see what everyone else is putting in their requests so I know how to best
>> phrase mine.
>>
>> So far I've looked here: http://www.joink.com/careers and here:
>> https://www.jdhcontracting.com/careers-at-jdh/
>>
>>
>> My ideal person is someone that can push\pull\blow fiber in existing
>> conduit and can handle splicing it.
>>
>> I'll no doubt come up with other positions, but that's the itch that
>> needs scratching.
>>
>>
>>
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings

[Steve Jones]

Are you tooled and looking just for a hire on operator or looking for an
equipped guy?

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 6:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Maybe just pull, blow, push?  ;-)
>
>
> I got some ballpark pricing for someone to do that work, but I figured
> with the amount we're doing, we'd see what it would cost to bring it
> in-house.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:12:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings
>
> Push, pull, blow, splice is gonna cost you.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for Fiber Job Postings
>
> I'm looking for places you see fiber-related job postings. I'm looking to
> see what everyone else is putting in their requests so I know how to best
> phrase mine.
>
> So far I've looked here: http://www.joink.com/careers and here:
> https://www.jdhcontracting.com/careers-at-jdh/
>
>
> My ideal person is someone that can push\pull\blow fiber in existing
> conduit and can handle splicing it.
>
> I'll no doubt come up with other positions, but that's the itch that needs
> scratching.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>
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