Re: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

[Jaime Solorza]

Not runny ...over medium

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 1:13 PM  wrote:

> Too homophobic to eat runny eggs...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast
>
> Yum
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Craig Schmaderer]

Kurt, that is amazing news!!!

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

That is good news.  Hope its not that screwed together half aluminum case 
though.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:
>
> Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
> Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
> will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
> guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like 
> $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we 
> have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able 
> to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
>> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
>> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places 
>> to use that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution 
>> to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps 
>> and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on 
>> the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style 
>> connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
>> get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
>> bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
>> reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
>> power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
>> downstream.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was 
>> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza 
>> they said it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship 
>> March of 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a 
>> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was 
>> discontinued.
>>
>> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>>
>> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Matt]

That is good news.  Hope its not that screwed together half aluminum
case though.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:
>
> Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
> Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
> will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
> guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like 
> $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we 
> have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able 
> to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
>> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
>> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places 
>> to use that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution 
>> to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps 
>> and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on 
>> the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style 
>> connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
>> get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
>> bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
>> reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
>> power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
>> downstream.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was 
>> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza they said 
>> it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship March of 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a
>> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was
>> discontinued.
>>
>> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>>
>> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Falling Foliage

[Jason Wilson]

I can not confirm or deny that I may or may not have used that method
before.



On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> lol, thats awesome
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> Talked to a customer that has a tree that likes to grow into the line of
>> sight.   He clears it once or twice a year.   Didn't ever ask him how he
>> cleared it, it's about 50-60 feet up.   Today he volunteered his
>> solution while we were talking about his service.
>>
>> "I shotgun it.   Use bird shot, does a great job.  10 minutes including
>> the walk down to the tree and back"   "Neighbors complain, but it's only
>> once or twice a year."...
>>
>> Well ok then...
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Tyson Burris]

Just remember…
When anyone at Cambium gives a time frame, you can add 6 Months to a year.
If you want to be amazed, they will announce next year.  Release 3 Months in 
advance and with working firmware.

AT THAT POINT, we can be amazed.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like $250/'ish 
price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we have 
literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able to just 
swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs


If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places to 
use that.


On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution to 
the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps and also 
enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on the top, 
KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style connectorized SM, I’ll 
have to see if it still works with the new SM.

What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
downstream.

I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was that 
mentioned at Wispapalooza?


From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza they said it 
was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship March of 2019)

-Sean


On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a
Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was
discontinued.

The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.

The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.

Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?



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Re: [AFMUG] Falling Foliage

[Kurt Fankhauser]

lol, thats awesome

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Talked to a customer that has a tree that likes to grow into the line of
> sight.   He clears it once or twice a year.   Didn't ever ask him how he
> cleared it, it's about 50-60 feet up.   Today he volunteered his
> solution while we were talking about his service.
>
> "I shotgun it.   Use bird shot, does a great job.  10 minutes including
> the walk down to the tree and back"   "Neighbors complain, but it's only
> once or twice a year."...
>
> Well ok then...
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked
to Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020
they will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the
new 450b guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded
like $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear
as we have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to
be able to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party
> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I
> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>
>
>
> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find
> places to use that.
>
>
>
> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a
> solution to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated
> speed caps and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA
> connectors on the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current
> style connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>
>
>
> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic
> dish, get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get
> to the bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more
> susceptible to reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium
> expected higher xmt power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that
> does nothing for downstream.
>
>
>
> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was
> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>
>
>
> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza they
> said it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship March of 2019)
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a
> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was
> discontinued.
>
> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>
> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>
> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Those look over easy to me. Just the way I like 'em.


bp



On 10/24/2019 12:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  Too homophobic to eat runny eggs...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

Yum




  
  

  


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[AFMUG] Falling Foliage

[Robert Andrews]

Talked to a customer that has a tree that likes to grow into the line of 
sight.   He clears it once or twice a year.   Didn't ever ask him how he 
cleared it, it's about 50-60 feet up.   Today he volunteered his 
solution while we were talking about his service.


"I shotgun it.   Use bird shot, does a great job.  10 minutes including 
the walk down to the tree and back"   "Neighbors complain, but it's only 
once or twice a year."...


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Re: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

[Steve Jones]

I get twitchy eye if my yolk breaks, like sweaty nervous, i have to cut it
out and eat it whole, if it breaks i have a hard time finishing my food. i
think its from when i washed dishes in a restaurant, that stuff is awful to
get off a plate

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 2:36 PM Larry Smith  wrote:

> I only eat runny eggs over pancakes.
> Dice it all up together with a plate full of bacon.
> Yum, yum.
>
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>
> On Thu October 24 2019 14:12, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Too homophobic to eat runny eggs...
> >
> > From: Jaime Solorza
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:17 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast
> >
> > Yum
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

[Larry Smith]

I only eat runny eggs over pancakes.
Dice it all up together with a plate full of bacon.
Yum, yum.

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On Thu October 24 2019 14:12, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Too homophobic to eat runny eggs...
>
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:17 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast
>
> Yum
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

[chuck]

Too homophobic to eat runny eggs...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Picadillo breakfast

Yum



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Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

[SmarterBroadband]

Liz at Intelpath.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

 

I have 4 or 5 licensed backhaul  links to get coordinated .

 

Who is the best for getting this done cost effectively (cheap)?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Eseries Managed wireless/public hotspot

[chuck]

You too?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Eseries Managed wireless/public hotspot

You don't have to call me a degenerate just because I made out with your mom.

On 10/24/2019 12:04 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Any of you degenerates running any of this  
  1. residential managed wifi
  2. commercial managed wifi
  3. public/hospitality tokenized hotspot

  Roaming is the key thing aside from the standard stuff 
(reliability/coverage/ease of management)

   



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Eseries Managed wireless/public hotspot

[Adam Moffett]

You don't have to call me a degenerate just because I made out with your 
mom.


On 10/24/2019 12:04 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Any of you degenerates running any of this
1. residential managed wifi
2. commercial managed wifi
3. public/hospitality tokenized hotspot

Roaming is the key thing aside from the standard stuff 
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Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG.com website seems down?

[chuck]

There seems to be normal amounts of traffic to me.

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:23 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: AFMUG.com website seems down?

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[AFMUG] Cambium Eseries Managed wireless/public hotspot

[Steve Jones]

Any of you degenerates running any of this
1. residential managed wifi
2. commercial managed wifi
3. public/hospitality tokenized hotspot

Roaming is the key thing aside from the standard stuff
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Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Talk to Chuck Hogg :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Matt Hoppes 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space


  You haven't offered enough :)  Everyone sells for the right price.  If 
  someone walked in my door and offered me 2 million, I'd probably take 
  it, pay off my employees well, go invest the rest of it, take a year 
  off, and then go find a relaxing job somewhere to occupy my time and 
  make a few extra bucks.

  On 10/23/19 11:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > yall got any more of them ISPs? Nobody around here seems to want to sell
  > 
  > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:29 AM Matt Hoppes 
  >  > wrote:
  > 
  > This is true, but that's why you acquire other ISPs, purchase IPv4 on
  > the auction block, etc. And once that runs out, CGNAT is really not
  > all that complicated or expensive to deploy compared to deploying
  > IPv6 which is still very much a "beta" protocol.
  > 
  > There are client devices that are broken and don't properly handle
  > IPv6,
  > there is confusion and argument over how best to deploy IPv6, large
  > sections of the Internet still don't support IPv6, the the way IPv6 was
  > designed and implemented screams of "Engineers" vs "Usability".
  > 
  > On 10/23/19 11:25 AM, dave wrote:
  >  > Meh, good luck with that LOL.. We'll be seeing you on the other side
  >  > Its not that ipv4 is going away at all its that you can just walk
  > into
  >  > the arin store and purchase large public block for your use for
  > much longer.
  >  > IPV6 is plentiful and a green pasture of natural selection.
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  > On 10/23/19 8:01 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  >  >> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's
  >  >> not practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And
  >  >> until I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy
  > IPv6.
  >  >> We have an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in
  > dual
  >  >> stacking and no financial gain until we need to.
  >  >>
  >  >> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead,
  >  >> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs).
  >  >>
  >  >> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it
  > out.
  >  >> IPv4 will be here for many years to come.
  >  >>
  >  >> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote:
  >  >>>
  >  >>> Yeah.. No..
  >  >>> They are more up to date than you think just not ahead
  >  >>>
  >  >>> On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >   yeah, no.
  >   .gov agencies still run dos
  >   10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized
  > enough
  >   to shut down ip4 access
  >  
  >  
  >   On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF
  >   mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
  > >> wrote:
  >  
  >   Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years,
  > if the
  >   .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No
  > more FCC/
  >   IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current
  > plan is 2-3
  >   years, I have given it an extra year for measure!
  >  
  >   V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then
  >   you will be making mistakes etc.
  >  
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  >   
  >  
  >   *From:* AF  
  >    >> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
  >   *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
  >   *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
  >   >>
  >   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space
  >  
  >   NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space
  >  
  >   IP6 is still years out for us
  >  
  >   On Mon, Oct