Talk to Chuck Hogg :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Hoppes To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space
You haven't offered enough :) Everyone sells for the right price. If someone walked in my door and offered me 2 million, I'd probably take it, pay off my employees well, go invest the rest of it, take a year off, and then go find a relaxing job somewhere to occupy my time and make a few extra bucks. On 10/23/19 11:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > yall got any more of them ISPs? Nobody around here seems to want to sell > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:29 AM Matt Hoppes > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: > > This is true, but that's why you acquire other ISPs, purchase IPv4 on > the auction block, etc. And once that runs out, CGNAT is really not > all that complicated or expensive to deploy.... compared to deploying > IPv6 which is still very much a "beta" protocol. > > There are client devices that are broken and don't properly handle > IPv6, > there is confusion and argument over how best to deploy IPv6, large > sections of the Internet still don't support IPv6, the the way IPv6 was > designed and implemented screams of "Engineers" vs "Usability". > > On 10/23/19 11:25 AM, dave wrote: > > Meh, good luck with that LOL.. We'll be seeing you on the other side > > Its not that ipv4 is going away at all its that you can just walk > into > > the arin store and purchase large public block for your use for > much longer. > > IPV6 is plentiful and a green pasture of natural selection. > > > > > > > > On 10/23/19 8:01 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > >> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's > >> not practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And > >> until I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy > IPv6. > >> We have an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in > dual > >> stacking and no financial gain until we need to. > >> > >> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead, > >> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs). > >> > >> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it > out. > >> IPv4 will be here for many years to come. > >> > >> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah.. No.. > >>> They are more up to date than you think just not ahead > >>> > >>> On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>>> yeah, no. > >>>> .gov agencies still run dos > >>>> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized > enough > >>>> to shut down ip4 access > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, > if the > >>>> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No > more FCC/ > >>>> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current > plan is 2-3 > >>>> years, I have given it an extra year for measure! > >>>> > >>>> V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then > >>>> you will be making mistakes etc. > >>>> > >>>> *LTI-Full_175px* > >>>> > >>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, > Cambium > >>>> ePMP Certified * > >>>> > >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > >>>> > >>>> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >>>> > >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >>>> > >>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > <http://www.towercoverage.com> > >>>> <http://www.towercoverage.com> > >>>> > >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM > >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space > >>>> > >>>> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space > >>>> > >>>> IP6 is still years out for us > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett > <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual > >>>> stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a > learning > >>>> curve, but it's not that bad. > >>>> > >>>> -Adam > >>>> > >>>> On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify > >>>> space has a decent reputation so we dont go > through months > >>>> of cleanup and all that stuff? > >>>> > >>>> -- AF mailing list > >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>>> > >>>> -- AF mailing list > >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> > >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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