date:20200406


There was no built in backup.

I don't recall the precise pricing, but I remember thinking it was quite 
reasonable.  I want to say a couple hundred for the client, and the AP 
was also a matter of hundredsdefinitely under a grand.  The problem 
is the same problem as all other millimeter wave: short range.  The 
range was in hundreds of meters.


On 4/6/2020 6:04 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember 
getting all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio 
part of the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or 
the typed Q/A.


When is it coming out?
What is the pricing?
Does it have a 5ghz backup?





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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

You're talking about the V1000/3000/5000 product line?  I think they may
have mentioned price but I didn't write it down.  I have Q32020 written in
my notes.

My notes say $999 for the 450 Micropop licensed for 20 SMs.  I'm thinking
they were talking lower than that for the 57-66 GHz stuff but it's not in my
notes.


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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 5:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting all
these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of the
presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

3/8 kernmantle.  We do have some throw bags of lighter “accessory cord”, I 
think 7 mm.

 

I’m not familiar with that brand.  When I started out buying rope I bought some 
“dual braid” and it was bad stuff.  I forget the brand, maybe Samson.  But it 
got all kinky.  If Mark vouches for that particular rope, it’s good.

 

Personally I like Sterling SuperStatic.  One decision is whether you like nylon 
or polyester rope.  Some people will only use polyester (e.g. Sterling HTP) for 
static rope applications because it has lower elongation.  Personally I find it 
too stiff and too abrasive and prefer nylon.

 

If you look at the working load limit (WLL) which is typically 1/10 of the 
breaking strength, a 3/8 inch or 10 mm rope is fine unless you are hanging 12 
foot dishes or something.  I think the main reason to have a 1/2 inch rope is 
for rescue where it needs to hold the weight of two people.  Or maybe for 
rappelling down a tower with a descender, which I think is also supposed to be 
done with a second rope for fall protection.

 

But I have a garbage can with 900 feet of 1/2 inch rope and it’s prohibitively 
heavy.  No tower climber is going to want to pull that up the tower as he 
climbs.  You will have to start with a lighter rope and use a capstan to pull 
up the heavy rope.  You don’t appreciate just how heavy a 1/2 inch rope is 
until you try using one.  Mark mentions 5/8, I don’t like to even think about 
that.

 

But yes, 3/8 inch is the sweet spot.

 

I have now told you more than I know about ropes, so take with a grain of salt.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

Good suggestion Mark, 

 

Thank you.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.  

 

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

 

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

 

Mark

 

On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

 

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load up 
the tower using capstan etc.

 

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?

 

Following?

 

  
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope

 

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

2020-04-06 Thread Tushar Patel

Good suggestion Mark, 

 

Thank you.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.  

 

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

 

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

 

Mark





On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

 

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load up 
the tower using capstan etc.

 

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?

 

Following?

 

  
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope

 

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

2020-04-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.  

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

Mark

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> 
> I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load 
> up the tower using capstan etc.
>  
> Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?
>  
> Following?
>  
> https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope 
> 
>  
> Thanks,
> Tushar
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[AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

2020-04-06 Thread Tushar Patel

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load
up the tower using capstan etc.

 

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?

 

Following?

 

 

https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope

 

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

2020-04-06 Thread Steve Utick

WalMart nation wide is closing down to one entrance (Grocery Entrance) and
only allowing 5 people in per 1000 square feet of floor space in the
store.  They are also going to be putting directional arrows in all of the
aisles to make them one way to try and provide more space for social
distancing.   They are also shutting down all game kiosks in the stores.
Many large stores are also asking that vendors only come in to service and
restock their items after hours so as to not add to the number of people in
the stores during the day.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:03 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery stores by
> us mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours after opening.  You
> see some people who are clearly not seniors but not many people seem
> motivated to grocery shop that early.
>
> A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store seemed
> pretty crowded, but I think it might correlate to some people getting
> checks the first of the month or maybe getting their SNAP cards refilled or
> something.  So maybe avoid the first couple days of the month.
>
> Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery item no
> other place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I think I heard that
> some big stores like Walmart are going to make aisles one-way and limit the
> number of people in the store.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping
>
> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half hour
> before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening time
> there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any other
> time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these are my
> go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in the house
> with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>
> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie. Why
> you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

An engineer from Cambium called me and did a screen share and walked me through 
the import problem I was having.  It worked so it was probably a cockpit error 
on my part.

 

In the process I learned that you can preapprove the onboarding of the SM 
before the tech installs it, I guess that was maybe obvious but I thought I had 
to wait until the status went to waiting for approval.  This is good because 
the tech doesn’t need me to click something.

 

Can’t complain about the support.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

I know, for us it has been a rough transition.   We are still trying to figure 
out if we are glad we moved early, or wish we would have waited.On the one 
hand, we get increased Tx power, so better signal to customer who weren’t great 
before, we moved to 20 MHz channels instead of 10 MHz, and are on very quiet 
spectrum.   But we have had several bumps that have caused customer outages, on 
a platform that hadn’t had any kind of outage in over a year, maybe more than 
two years.   So we definitely traded stability for more spectrum and higher Tx. 
  I am hoping it settles down quickly and we can quit second guessing ourselves.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

Probably unrelated, but I have a second ticket in with Cambium because we are 
unable to import CBRS sectors or SMs into cnMaestro since they went to v14 of 
the spreadsheet template which must have happened yesterday or today, since I 
imported a sector on Saturday using v13.

 

Several nonsensical error messages that prevent the import from succeeding.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of David Coudron
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

We ran into this issue two weeks ago with Google as our SAS.   Google had an 
outage, and cnMaestro lost connectivity.   We had a bunch of radios get 
Suspended, it was a mess. Cambium verified it was the Google outage that 
caused the issue, but what is interesting about this, is that Evan at Cambium 
thought the folks on Federated wouldn’t see this behavior if Federated had an 
outage.   There were some complicating factors we didn’t follow up on, like SMs 
hopping to a secondary color code AP as part of it.   This factored into the 
suspended grant, but Evan thought Federated held the grant for 24 hours so that 
wouldn’t happen.Looks like the behavior is the same.   

 

We upgraded to 16.2 (From 16.2 Beta 5) as there were some fixes for SMs 
reconnecting to APs in there, but we still experience a handful of SMs that 
have to physically be power cycled if they lose connection to the AP in order 
to reconnect.   This never happened before the CBRS firmware versions.We 
aren’t sure if this problem is related to the way grants are managed between 
cnMaestro and the SAS or just some other bug in the firmware and is an 
unrelated problem.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

I got a response on my ticket with Cambium that Federated had a problem:

 

“Federated Wireless has reported an issue with their SAS connectivity around 
13:15 ETD.
Federated Wireless has resolved the connectivity issue and is currently 
investigating the cause of the outage.”

 

Somehow I thought that in the event cnMaestro lost communication with the SAS, 
it wouldn’t terminate the grants.

 

Yes, the 5 minute heartbeat timeout is a pain.  Especially since the SAS only 
protects incumbents, there is no protection of GAA vs GAA.  So until the PAL 
auction, in areas with no incumbents (we have no coastal radar in Illinois) the 
SAS basically just approves all grants.  It is an extremely complicated system 
that currently isn’t doing much other than giving us some additional clean 
spectrum.  Which ain’t nuthin’.

 

The heartbeat thing seems aimed at letting PAL owners (read: mobile carriers) 
kick us off our channels.  And I’m not really clear on how that happens.  We 
request a 20 MHz channel at 3560 but now a bunch of PAL sites start operating 
and we can’t have that frequency or that channel width any more, do we get a 
new grant that automatically gets pushed out to the radios, or do our grants 
just get terminated and we need to take manual action to get the customers back 
online.  I

Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your
Contacts.  I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the
receptionist's desk as their main phone.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then
don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need to
update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.

Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards
will just magically know who they are.

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[AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

2020-04-06 Thread Nate Burke

I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting 
all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of 
the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A.


When is it coming out?
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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

2020-04-06 Thread Jay Weekley

Have people forgotten that they can make phone calls from their texting 
device?


Nate Burke wrote:
Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But 
then don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 
'I need to update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.


Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet 
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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

2020-04-06 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Ours can cross match with the number they have in Sonar, and is directed to one 
of our Slack channels.
So yes, it's possible with a bit of 'magic'.

But a lot of them don't match so we do get that a lot.
Like a canned slash reply of "Hi! Can you give me your account name/number 
and/or service address?"


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:31 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then don't 
even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need to update my 
credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.

Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards will 
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[AFMUG] SMS Messages

2020-04-06 Thread Nate Burke

Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But 
then don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I 
need to update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.


Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread David Coudron

I know, for us it has been a rough transition.   We are still trying to figure 
out if we are glad we moved early, or wish we would have waited.On the one 
hand, we get increased Tx power, so better signal to customer who weren’t great 
before, we moved to 20 MHz channels instead of 10 MHz, and are on very quiet 
spectrum.   But we have had several bumps that have caused customer outages, on 
a platform that hadn’t had any kind of outage in over a year, maybe more than 
two years.   So we definitely traded stability for more spectrum and higher Tx. 
  I am hoping it settles down quickly and we can quit second guessing ourselves.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

Probably unrelated, but I have a second ticket in with Cambium because we are 
unable to import CBRS sectors or SMs into cnMaestro since they went to v14 of 
the spreadsheet template which must have happened yesterday or today, since I 
imported a sector on Saturday using v13.

Several nonsensical error messages that prevent the import from succeeding.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

We ran into this issue two weeks ago with Google as our SAS.   Google had an 
outage, and cnMaestro lost connectivity.   We had a bunch of radios get 
Suspended, it was a mess. Cambium verified it was the Google outage that 
caused the issue, but what is interesting about this, is that Evan at Cambium 
thought the folks on Federated wouldn’t see this behavior if Federated had an 
outage.   There were some complicating factors we didn’t follow up on, like SMs 
hopping to a secondary color code AP as part of it.   This factored into the 
suspended grant, but Evan thought Federated held the grant for 24 hours so that 
wouldn’t happen.Looks like the behavior is the same.

We upgraded to 16.2 (From 16.2 Beta 5) as there were some fixes for SMs 
reconnecting to APs in there, but we still experience a handful of SMs that 
have to physically be power cycled if they lose connection to the AP in order 
to reconnect.   This never happened before the CBRS firmware versions.We 
aren’t sure if this problem is related to the way grants are managed between 
cnMaestro and the SAS or just some other bug in the firmware and is an 
unrelated problem.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

I got a response on my ticket with Cambium that Federated had a problem:

“Federated Wireless has reported an issue with their SAS connectivity around 
13:15 ETD.
Federated Wireless has resolved the connectivity issue and is currently 
investigating the cause of the outage.”

Somehow I thought that in the event cnMaestro lost communication with the SAS, 
it wouldn’t terminate the grants.

Yes, the 5 minute heartbeat timeout is a pain.  Especially since the SAS only 
protects incumbents, there is no protection of GAA vs GAA.  So until the PAL 
auction, in areas with no incumbents (we have no coastal radar in Illinois) the 
SAS basically just approves all grants.  It is an extremely complicated system 
that currently isn’t doing much other than giving us some additional clean 
spectrum.  Which ain’t nuthin’.

The heartbeat thing seems aimed at letting PAL owners (read: mobile carriers) 
kick us off our channels.  And I’m not really clear on how that happens.  We 
request a 20 MHz channel at 3560 but now a bunch of PAL sites start operating 
and we can’t have that frequency or that channel width any more, do we get a 
new grant that automatically gets pushed out to the radios, or do our grants 
just get terminated and we need to take manual action to get the customers back 
online.  I guess that’s a battle to fight another day.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

Didn’t I say this would happen?

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else that 
this wouldn’t happen.

Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down and 
people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than five 
minutes.

These grants need to at least last 24 hours if not longer, for this type of 
situation.

On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM +

Re: [AFMUG] Not saying it's Aliens but...

That's what I am thinking it might be...TxDOT along Interstate or Border
Patrol following Rio Grande..
Video taken on New Mexico side.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 12:40 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

> Looked like a helicopter to me...
>
> On 04/06/2020 07:44 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > The one skeeming by mountain is the one which caught my attention...the
> > bug was just that ...a bug...I will post a picture from daylight later
> today
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 11:04 PM Adam Moffett  > > wrote:
> >
> > My cousins used to have bottle rocket battles.  They'd saw the top
> > off of a wiffle ball bat and use that as a launcher.  Light a bottle
> > rocket, drop it down your wiffle ball bat, and aim it at your
> > brother/friend.  When I saw the streaks shooting across the camera
> > that's the first thing I thought of.  Then at 0:42 I'm
> > confused.that's not a rocket.  The light seems to spawn out of
> > the tarmac.
> >
> > Firefly?
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/2020 10:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >> On Sunday evenings I check all the cameras I support...this video
> >> is from a PTZ camera at War Eagles Air Museum.   I saw this light
> >> flying by Franklin's...the city airport is on Eastside of town.
> >> This camera on westside , other side of mountain.
> >> It's a Hikvision PTZ camera.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

Joke

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> haha, is that a true story or just a joke?
> On 4/6/2020 11:24 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Well there was a line to get into our neighborhood store...a young guy
> tries to get to front of line, old lady screaming at him when an old man
> hits him with his cane!   The kid yells at them...if you don't let me
> through I can't open the store!!
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:03 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery stores
>> by us mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours after opening.  You
>> see some people who are clearly not seniors but not many people seem
>> motivated to grocery shop that early.
>>
>> A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store seemed
>> pretty crowded, but I think it might correlate to some people getting
>> checks the first of the month or maybe getting their SNAP cards refilled or
>> something.  So maybe avoid the first couple days of the month.
>>
>> Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery item no
>> other place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I think I heard that
>> some big stores like Walmart are going to make aisles one-way and limit the
>> number of people in the store.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping
>>
>> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half hour
>> before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening time
>> there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any other
>> time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these are my
>> go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in the house
>> with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>>
>> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie.
>> Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I bought a pair at Best Buy.  5GHz HDMI HD wireless...$129.00...work well.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 12:30 PM  wrote:

> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and
> the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

Probably unrelated, but I have a second ticket in with Cambium because we are 
unable to import CBRS sectors or SMs into cnMaestro since they went to v14 of 
the spreadsheet template which must have happened yesterday or today, since I 
imported a sector on Saturday using v13.

 

Several nonsensical error messages that prevent the import from succeeding.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

We ran into this issue two weeks ago with Google as our SAS.   Google had an 
outage, and cnMaestro lost connectivity.   We had a bunch of radios get 
Suspended, it was a mess. Cambium verified it was the Google outage that 
caused the issue, but what is interesting about this, is that Evan at Cambium 
thought the folks on Federated wouldn’t see this behavior if Federated had an 
outage.   There were some complicating factors we didn’t follow up on, like SMs 
hopping to a secondary color code AP as part of it.   This factored into the 
suspended grant, but Evan thought Federated held the grant for 24 hours so that 
wouldn’t happen.Looks like the behavior is the same.   

 

We upgraded to 16.2 (From 16.2 Beta 5) as there were some fixes for SMs 
reconnecting to APs in there, but we still experience a handful of SMs that 
have to physically be power cycled if they lose connection to the AP in order 
to reconnect.   This never happened before the CBRS firmware versions.We 
aren’t sure if this problem is related to the way grants are managed between 
cnMaestro and the SAS or just some other bug in the firmware and is an 
unrelated problem.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

I got a response on my ticket with Cambium that Federated had a problem:

 

“Federated Wireless has reported an issue with their SAS connectivity around 
13:15 ETD.
Federated Wireless has resolved the connectivity issue and is currently 
investigating the cause of the outage.”

 

Somehow I thought that in the event cnMaestro lost communication with the SAS, 
it wouldn’t terminate the grants.

 

Yes, the 5 minute heartbeat timeout is a pain.  Especially since the SAS only 
protects incumbents, there is no protection of GAA vs GAA.  So until the PAL 
auction, in areas with no incumbents (we have no coastal radar in Illinois) the 
SAS basically just approves all grants.  It is an extremely complicated system 
that currently isn’t doing much other than giving us some additional clean 
spectrum.  Which ain’t nuthin’.

 

The heartbeat thing seems aimed at letting PAL owners (read: mobile carriers) 
kick us off our channels.  And I’m not really clear on how that happens.  We 
request a 20 MHz channel at 3560 but now a bunch of PAL sites start operating 
and we can’t have that frequency or that channel width any more, do we get a 
new grant that automatically gets pushed out to the radios, or do our grants 
just get terminated and we need to take manual action to get the customers back 
online.  I guess that’s a battle to fight another day.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

Didn’t I say this would happen?

 

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else that 
this wouldn’t happen.

Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down and 
people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than five 
minutes.

 

These grants need to at least last 24 hours if not longer, for this type of 
situation.


On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM + Federated.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and getting 
their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers go down 
when that happens.

 

Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import spreadsheet 
template they just released, two error messages, can’t import to add SMs or 
sectors.

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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

The programs I've been involved with did not have anything to do with 
the FCC.  Sounds like they have more technical competency than some 
other agenciesand that's a good thing.



On 4/6/2020 4:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
No persistence. We objected and they sent someone out almost 
immediately. This was during CAFII. I assume RDOF will be the same. 
I've yet to hear of anyone actually providing validation testing. I 
know the FCC has a couple different methods of remote validation but I 
haven't seen it personally. We only tested it as a proof of concept 
prior to the auction. Just be aware that you might get a knock from 
the FCC who want to test on your network.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:31 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm glad they came out and checked.  You're probably a more
believable witness than some Internet customers are. How
persistent did you have to be to get someone to come out?


On 4/6/2020 4:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

The FCC won't drive around and test themselves, but they will
follow you as you drive around and test. We disputed several
locations that had won CAF2 and the FCC sent out two contractors
to come out and verify our speeds/claims. We spent 2-3 hours with
them one morning testing in various locations. The FCC will also
test on network with a Sam Knows whitebox (UK based business).
Calix also has testing methods that report to FCC as well. We
haven't tested that method yet.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:10 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The company owner/administrator talking to the government
either believes the incorrect assumptions or is wholly
committed to the lie.  So they confidently report that
they're delivering 25 Meg like they're supposed to.  Evidence
to the contrary is a fluke or an error.  The FCC isn't going
to drive around and speedtest your customers.  The source of
information saying you're not delivering 25meg is going to be
a disgruntled customer who is aware that you have grant
funding, knows what your requirements were, and knows which
agency to complain to.  There will be very few of those, and
it's easy to defend yourself from one complainer by simply
saying /they're/ the crazy/wrong one.

There will be financial audits, and in some programs there
are /physical///audits to make sure you bought the things you
say you did and didn't buy yourself a Ferrari instead.  I'm
sorry to say that people can and do get away with the
lie/wrongness about performance.


On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:

But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come
down hard in response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve
seen have a fabrication factor, sometimes a very high one.


On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M
and 100M speeds.

In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.

First you use the capacity planning tool provided the
manufacturer and remember that you can populate the values
however you want to.  Your prediction doesn't have to be
perfectly correct, it just has to be defensible if you're
questioned about it.

Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your
narrative claim that this is "conservative".  It /was /a
conservative value in the pre-Netflix world so this is
another one where they might truly believe it, or they
could be lying.

You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the
minimum MCS to get a subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal
level to predict coverage.  Most of us will realize that at
that signal you can only have ONE person at 25meg, but
using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show
coverage in the entire funding area.

Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly
believe this stuff is not always obvious to me.  Some of
them I'm certain think it's true, and I think it's a case
where their engineering was informed by the equipment sales
channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they
know what they can get away with.

I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm
telling you these are things people often do to make their
grant funding applications look defensibly acceptable.  In
some cases I do believe the applicant is simply wrong. 
They're an administrator or a business person and they're
just asking the wrong questions.  Some of them could be
liars, but you'll note that each of these lies leaves the
person with the ability to point

Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread David Coudron

We ran into this issue two weeks ago with Google as our SAS.   Google had an 
outage, and cnMaestro lost connectivity.   We had a bunch of radios get 
Suspended, it was a mess. Cambium verified it was the Google outage that 
caused the issue, but what is interesting about this, is that Evan at Cambium 
thought the folks on Federated wouldn’t see this behavior if Federated had an 
outage.   There were some complicating factors we didn’t follow up on, like SMs 
hopping to a secondary color code AP as part of it.   This factored into the 
suspended grant, but Evan thought Federated held the grant for 24 hours so that 
wouldn’t happen.Looks like the behavior is the same.

We upgraded to 16.2 (From 16.2 Beta 5) as there were some fixes for SMs 
reconnecting to APs in there, but we still experience a handful of SMs that 
have to physically be power cycled if they lose connection to the AP in order 
to reconnect.   This never happened before the CBRS firmware versions.We 
aren’t sure if this problem is related to the way grants are managed between 
cnMaestro and the SAS or just some other bug in the firmware and is an 
unrelated problem.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:33 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

I got a response on my ticket with Cambium that Federated had a problem:

“Federated Wireless has reported an issue with their SAS connectivity around 
13:15 ETD.
Federated Wireless has resolved the connectivity issue and is currently 
investigating the cause of the outage.”

Somehow I thought that in the event cnMaestro lost communication with the SAS, 
it wouldn’t terminate the grants.

Yes, the 5 minute heartbeat timeout is a pain.  Especially since the SAS only 
protects incumbents, there is no protection of GAA vs GAA.  So until the PAL 
auction, in areas with no incumbents (we have no coastal radar in Illinois) the 
SAS basically just approves all grants.  It is an extremely complicated system 
that currently isn’t doing much other than giving us some additional clean 
spectrum.  Which ain’t nuthin’.

The heartbeat thing seems aimed at letting PAL owners (read: mobile carriers) 
kick us off our channels.  And I’m not really clear on how that happens.  We 
request a 20 MHz channel at 3560 but now a bunch of PAL sites start operating 
and we can’t have that frequency or that channel width any more, do we get a 
new grant that automatically gets pushed out to the radios, or do our grants 
just get terminated and we need to take manual action to get the customers back 
online.  I guess that’s a battle to fight another day.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

Didn’t I say this would happen?

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else that 
this wouldn’t happen.

Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down and 
people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than five 
minutes.

These grants need to at least last 24 hours if not longer, for this type of 
situation.

On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM + Federated.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and getting 
their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers go down 
when that happens.

Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import spreadsheet 
template they just released, two error messages, can’t import to add SMs or 
sectors.
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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

Doesn’t SamKnows use the same MLabs methodology as the Google speedtest?  They 
were working on a whole new method, but their original one seemed very flawed.  
It used a single TCP thread and avoided the nearest servers, on the premise of 
keeping ISPs from gaming the system.  I have seen some bizarre speedtest 
results from the Google test.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

 

The FCC won't drive around and test themselves, but they will follow you as you 
drive around and test. We disputed several locations that had won CAF2 and the 
FCC sent out two contractors to come out and verify our speeds/claims. We spent 
2-3 hours with them one morning testing in various locations. The FCC will also 
test on network with a Sam Knows whitebox (UK based business). Calix also has 
testing methods that report to FCC as well. We haven't tested that method yet.

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:10 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The company owner/administrator talking to the government either believes the 
incorrect assumptions or is wholly committed to the lie.  So they confidently 
report that they're delivering 25 Meg like they're supposed to.  Evidence to 
the contrary is a fluke or an error.  The FCC isn't going to drive around and 
speedtest your customers.  The source of information saying you're not 
delivering 25meg is going to be a disgruntled customer who is aware that you 
have grant funding, knows what your requirements were, and knows which agency 
to complain to.  There will be very few of those, and it's easy to defend 
yourself from one complainer by simply saying they're the crazy/wrong one.

There will be financial audits, and in some programs there are physical audits 
to make sure you bought the things you say you did and didn't buy yourself a 
Ferrari instead.  I'm sorry to say that people can and do get away with the 
lie/wrongness about performance.

 

On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:

But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard in 
response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication factor, 
sometimes a very high one.





On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M speeds.

In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.  

First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and remember 
that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your prediction doesn't 
have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be defensible if you're questioned 
about it.

Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that this is 
"conservative".  It was a conservative value in the pre-Netflix world so this 
is another one where they might truly believe it, or they could be lying.

You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to get a 
subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.  Most of us 
will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person at 25meg, but 
using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show coverage in the 
entire funding area.

Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff is not 
always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, and I think 
it's a case where their engineering was informed by the equipment sales 
channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they know what they can get 
away with.

I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you these are 
things people often do to make their grant funding applications look defensibly 
acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the applicant is simply wrong.  They're 
an administrator or a business person and they're just asking the wrong 
questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll note that each of these 
lies leaves the person with the ability to point their finger at someone else 
and say "well that guy told me this equipment could do that."

In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review the 
proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys would look 
at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't quite figure out why 
that was.but I have some guesses.

My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to other 
applicants about what they're doing.

-Adam

 

On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:

So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out yet 
and won’t be by the time this round funds?

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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

2020-04-06 Thread Eric Muehleisen

No persistence. We objected and they sent someone out almost immediately.
This was during CAFII. I assume RDOF will be the same. I've yet to hear of
anyone actually providing validation testing. I know the FCC has a couple
different methods of remote validation but I haven't seen it personally. We
only tested it as a proof of concept prior to the auction. Just be aware
that you might get a knock from the FCC who want to test on your network.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm glad they came out and checked.  You're probably a more believable
> witness than some Internet customers are.  How persistent did you have to
> be to get someone to come out?
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 4:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
> The FCC won't drive around and test themselves, but they will follow you
> as you drive around and test. We disputed several locations that had won
> CAF2 and the FCC sent out two contractors to come out and verify our
> speeds/claims. We spent 2-3 hours with them one morning testing in various
> locations. The FCC will also test on network with a Sam Knows whitebox (UK
> based business). Calix also has testing methods that report to FCC as well.
> We haven't tested that method yet.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:10 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The company owner/administrator talking to the government either believes
>> the incorrect assumptions or is wholly committed to the lie.  So they
>> confidently report that they're delivering 25 Meg like they're supposed
>> to.  Evidence to the contrary is a fluke or an error.  The FCC isn't going
>> to drive around and speedtest your customers.  The source of information
>> saying you're not delivering 25meg is going to be a disgruntled customer
>> who is aware that you have grant funding, knows what your requirements
>> were, and knows which agency to complain to.  There will be very few of
>> those, and it's easy to defend yourself from one complainer by simply
>> saying *they're* the crazy/wrong one.
>>
>> There will be financial audits, and in some programs there are *physical* 
>> audits
>> to make sure you bought the things you say you did and didn't buy yourself
>> a Ferrari instead.  I'm sorry to say that people can and do get away with
>> the lie/wrongness about performance.
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:
>>
>> But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard in
>> response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication factor,
>> sometimes a very high one.
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M
>> speeds.
>>
>> In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.
>>
>> First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and
>> remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your
>> prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be
>> defensible if you're questioned about it.
>>
>> Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that
>> this is "conservative".  It *was *a conservative value in the
>> pre-Netflix world so this is another one where they might truly believe it,
>> or they could be lying.
>>
>> You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to
>> get a subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.
>> Most of us will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person at
>> 25meg, but using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show
>> coverage in the entire funding area.
>>
>> Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff
>> is not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, and
>> I think it's a case where their engineering was informed by the equipment
>> sales channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they know what
>> they can get away with.
>>
>> I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you
>> these are things people often do to make their grant funding applications
>> look defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the applicant is
>> simply wrong.  They're an administrator or a business person and they're
>> just asking the wrong questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll
>> note that each of these lies leaves the person with the ability to point
>> their finger at someone else and say "well that guy told me this equipment
>> could do that."
>>
>> In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review
>> the proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys
>> would look at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't quite
>> figure out why that was.but I have some guesses.
>>
>> My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to
>> other applicants about what they're doing.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:
>>
>> So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations

Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

I got a response on my ticket with Cambium that Federated had a problem:

 

“Federated Wireless has reported an issue with their SAS connectivity around 
13:15 ETD.
Federated Wireless has resolved the connectivity issue and is currently 
investigating the cause of the outage.”

 

Somehow I thought that in the event cnMaestro lost communication with the SAS, 
it wouldn’t terminate the grants.

 

Yes, the 5 minute heartbeat timeout is a pain.  Especially since the SAS only 
protects incumbents, there is no protection of GAA vs GAA.  So until the PAL 
auction, in areas with no incumbents (we have no coastal radar in Illinois) the 
SAS basically just approves all grants.  It is an extremely complicated system 
that currently isn’t doing much other than giving us some additional clean 
spectrum.  Which ain’t nuthin’.

 

The heartbeat thing seems aimed at letting PAL owners (read: mobile carriers) 
kick us off our channels.  And I’m not really clear on how that happens.  We 
request a 20 MHz channel at 3560 but now a bunch of PAL sites start operating 
and we can’t have that frequency or that channel width any more, do we get a 
new grant that automatically gets pushed out to the radios, or do our grants 
just get terminated and we need to take manual action to get the customers back 
online.  I guess that’s a battle to fight another day.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

 

Didn’t I say this would happen?

 

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else that 
this wouldn’t happen.

Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down and 
people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than five 
minutes.

 

These grants need to at least last 24 hours if not longer, for this type of 
situation.


On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM + Federated.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and getting 
their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers go down 
when that happens.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

I'm glad they came out and checked.  You're probably a more believable 
witness than some Internet customers are.  How persistent did you have 
to be to get someone to come out?



On 4/6/2020 4:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
The FCC won't drive around and test themselves, but they will follow 
you as you drive around and test. We disputed several locations that 
had won CAF2 and the FCC sent out two contractors to come out and 
verify our speeds/claims. We spent 2-3 hours with them one morning 
testing in various locations. The FCC will also test on network with a 
Sam Knows whitebox (UK based business). Calix also has testing methods 
that report to FCC as well. We haven't tested that method yet.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:10 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


The company owner/administrator talking to the government either
believes the incorrect assumptions or is wholly committed to the
lie.  So they confidently report that they're delivering 25 Meg
like they're supposed to. Evidence to the contrary is a fluke or
an error.  The FCC isn't going to drive around and speedtest your
customers. The source of information saying you're not delivering
25meg is going to be a disgruntled customer who is aware that you
have grant funding, knows what your requirements were, and knows
which agency to complain to.  There will be very few of those, and
it's easy to defend yourself from one complainer by simply saying
/they're/ the crazy/wrong one.

There will be financial audits, and in some programs there are
/physical///audits to make sure you bought the things you say you
did and didn't buy yourself a Ferrari instead.  I'm sorry to say
that people can and do get away with the lie/wrongness about
performance.


On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:

But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down
hard in response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a
fabrication factor, sometimes a very high one.


On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and
100M speeds.

In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.

First you use the capacity planning tool provided the
manufacturer and remember that you can populate the values
however you want to. Your prediction doesn't have to be
perfectly correct, it just has to be defensible if you're
questioned about it.

Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative
claim that this is "conservative".  It /was /a conservative
value in the pre-Netflix world so this is another one where they
might truly believe it, or they could be lying.

You can also play games with coverage maps. What's the minimum
MCS to get a subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to
predict coverage.  Most of us will realize that at that signal
you can only have ONE person at 25meg, but using that figure
makes it a hell of a lot easier to show coverage in the entire
funding area.

Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe
this stuff is not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm
certain think it's true, and I think it's a case where their
engineering was informed by the equipment sales channel.  Others
I think are just full of crap, but they know what they can get
away with.

I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm
telling you these are things people often do to make their grant
funding applications look defensibly acceptable.  In some cases
I do believe the applicant is simply wrong.  They're an
administrator or a business person and they're just asking the
wrong questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll note
that each of these lies leaves the person with the ability to
point their finger at someone else and say "well that guy told
me this equipment could do that."

In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering
firm review the proposals for their technical plausibility and
apparently those guys would look at these applications and not
see any problem.  I didn't quite figure out why that was.but
I have some guesses.

My info comes from participating in application processes and
talking to other applicants about what they're doing.

-Adam


On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:

So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out yet 
and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

2020-04-06 Thread Eric Muehleisen

The FCC won't drive around and test themselves, but they will follow you as
you drive around and test. We disputed several locations that had won CAF2
and the FCC sent out two contractors to come out and verify our
speeds/claims. We spent 2-3 hours with them one morning testing in various
locations. The FCC will also test on network with a Sam Knows whitebox (UK
based business). Calix also has testing methods that report to FCC as well.
We haven't tested that method yet.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:10 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The company owner/administrator talking to the government either believes
> the incorrect assumptions or is wholly committed to the lie.  So they
> confidently report that they're delivering 25 Meg like they're supposed
> to.  Evidence to the contrary is a fluke or an error.  The FCC isn't going
> to drive around and speedtest your customers.  The source of information
> saying you're not delivering 25meg is going to be a disgruntled customer
> who is aware that you have grant funding, knows what your requirements
> were, and knows which agency to complain to.  There will be very few of
> those, and it's easy to defend yourself from one complainer by simply
> saying *they're* the crazy/wrong one.
>
> There will be financial audits, and in some programs there are *physical* 
> audits
> to make sure you bought the things you say you did and didn't buy yourself
> a Ferrari instead.  I'm sorry to say that people can and do get away with
> the lie/wrongness about performance.
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:
>
> But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard in
> response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication factor,
> sometimes a very high one.
>
> On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M speeds.
>
> In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.
>
> First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and
> remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your
> prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be
> defensible if you're questioned about it.
>
> Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that
> this is "conservative".  It *was *a conservative value in the pre-Netflix
> world so this is another one where they might truly believe it, or they
> could be lying.
>
> You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to get
> a subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.  Most of
> us will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person at 25meg,
> but using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show coverage in
> the entire funding area.
>
> Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff
> is not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, and
> I think it's a case where their engineering was informed by the equipment
> sales channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they know what
> they can get away with.
>
> I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you
> these are things people often do to make their grant funding applications
> look defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the applicant is
> simply wrong.  They're an administrator or a business person and they're
> just asking the wrong questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll
> note that each of these lies leaves the person with the ability to point
> their finger at someone else and say "well that guy told me this equipment
> could do that."
>
> In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review
> the proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys
> would look at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't quite
> figure out why that was.but I have some guesses.
>
> My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to
> other applicants about what they're doing.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:
>
> So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
> RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out 
> yet and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

The company owner/administrator talking to the government either 
believes the incorrect assumptions or is wholly committed to the lie.  
So they confidently report that they're delivering 25 Meg like they're 
supposed to.  Evidence to the contrary is a fluke or an error.  The FCC 
isn't going to drive around and speedtest your customers.  The source of 
information saying you're not delivering 25meg is going to be a 
disgruntled customer who is aware that you have grant funding, knows 
what your requirements were, and knows which agency to complain to.  
There will be very few of those, and it's easy to defend yourself from 
one complainer by simply saying /they're/ the crazy/wrong one.


There will be financial audits, and in some programs there are 
/physical///audits to make sure you bought the things you say you did 
and didn't buy yourself a Ferrari instead.  I'm sorry to say that people 
can and do get away with the lie/wrongness about performance.



On 4/6/2020 3:42 PM, Dev wrote:
But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard 
in response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication 
factor, sometimes a very high one.


On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M 
speeds.


In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.

First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer 
and remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  
Your prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to 
be defensible if you're questioned about it.


Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim 
that this is "conservative".  It /was /a conservative value in the 
pre-Netflix world so this is another one where they might truly 
believe it, or they could be lying.


You can also play games with coverage maps. What's the minimum MCS to 
get a subscriber at 25meg? Use that signal level to predict 
coverage.  Most of us will realize that at that signal you can only 
have ONE person at 25meg, but using that figure makes it a hell of a 
lot easier to show coverage in the entire funding area.


Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this 
stuff is not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think 
it's true, and I think it's a case where their engineering was 
informed by the equipment sales channel.  Others I think are just 
full of crap, but they know what they can get away with.


I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you 
these are things people often do to make their grant funding 
applications look defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe 
the applicant is simply wrong.  They're an administrator or a 
business person and they're just asking the wrong questions.  Some of 
them could be liars, but you'll note that each of these lies leaves 
the person with the ability to point their finger at someone else and 
say "well that guy told me this equipment could do that."


In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm 
review the proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently 
those guys would look at these applications and not see any problem.  
I didn't quite figure out why that was.but I have some guesses.


My info comes from participating in application processes and talking 
to other applicants about what they're doing.


-Adam


On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:

So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out yet 
and won’t be by the time this round funds?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless


  
  
We did not have an ethernet jack where we put our TV in he AV
  room (too lazy I guess), so I got one of the newer HomePlug
  devices and run ethernet that way. I had been doing it through a
  wireless adapter, but the distance to the WiFi AP was a little
  longer than I liked. This provides a bit more bandwidth, and we
  have not had any issues with it.
If I get less lazy someday, I will run another ethernet drop
  behind the AVR, but since it works, why mess with it?
bp



On 4/6/2020 12:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Hmmm...
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
  

 
  
  
If it is HomePlug AV2 or higher, it will do close to
  gigabit speeds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
bp



On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I guess what I should have said, they are not
Layer 1.   So they are some speed of Layer 2 which
may or may not work with HDMI over ethernet.  
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  
All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3
devices are they not?
  

   
  
From:
  Bill Prince

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
  1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  
Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp



On 4/6/2020
  12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I am thinking of a monitor in the
bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to
pause Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our
theater room that does have a cat5
based hdmi splitter monitor.  Works
well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5
in the walls and I am way too lazy
to attempt to fish an insulated
concrete foam block wall.  
  

   
  
From:
  Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April
  6, 2020 1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
  OT HDMI wireless

Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread Sean Heskett

Having issues here in CO.  Seems to have stabilized for now.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and
> getting their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers
> go down when that happens.
>
>
>
> Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import
> spreadsheet template they just released, two error messages, can’t import
> to add SMs or sectors.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

Hmmm...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

If it is HomePlug AV2 or higher, it will do close to gigabit speeds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I guess what I should have said, they are not Layer 1.   So they are some 
speed of Layer 2 which may or may not work with HDMI over ethernet.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are they not?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to 
pause Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have a cat5 based 
hdmi splitter monitor.  Works well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am way too lazy to 
attempt to fish an insulated concrete foam block wall.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5 
screens in the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a word. 
 Yes, you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to 
essentially replicate broadcast TV.

  It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at 
me in every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted 
house paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report 
thing, I expect them to say my name.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

  From: Joe Novak 

  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost 
you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have 
it running off a single roku. 

  HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general 
rule it makes it very expensive to split it.

  On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor 
and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.

Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless


  
  
If it is HomePlug AV2 or higher, it will do close to gigabit
  speeds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
bp



On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I guess what I should have said, they are not Layer 1.  
So they are some speed of Layer 2 which may or may not work
with HDMI over ethernet.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
  

 
  
  
All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are
they not?
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  
Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I am thinking of a monitor in the
bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to pause
Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room
that does have a cat5 based hdmi splitter
monitor.  Works well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the
walls and I am way too lazy to attempt to
fish an insulated concrete foam block wall. 
  
  

   
  
From:
  Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
  1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  

  That would actually
be useful for the people who have Fox
News on 5 screens in the house so they
can walk from room to room without
missing a word.  Yes, you can buy 5
Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet
bandwidth to essentially replicate
broadcast TV.
   
  It kind of creeps me
out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine
Pirro talking at me in every room when
I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like
the haunted house paintings where the
eyes follow you.  Or some kind of
Minority Report thing, I expect them to
say my name.
   
   
  

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
wireless

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless


  
  
Sorry. They are layer 1. They are invisible; they don't have an
  IP address or anything. 

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I guess what I should have said, they are not Layer 1.  
So they are some speed of Layer 2 which may or may not work
with HDMI over ethernet.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
  

 
  
  
All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are
they not?
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  
Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I am thinking of a monitor in the
bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to pause
Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room
that does have a cat5 based hdmi splitter
monitor.  Works well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the
walls and I am way too lazy to attempt to
fish an insulated concrete foam block wall. 
  
  

   
  
From:
  Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
  1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  

  That would actually
be useful for the people who have Fox
News on 5 screens in the house so they
can walk from room to room without
missing a word.  Yes, you can buy 5
Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet
bandwidth to essentially replicate
broadcast TV.
   
  It kind of creeps me
out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine
Pirro talking at me in every room when
I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like
the haunted house paintings where the
eyes follow you.  Or some kind of
Minority Report thing, I expect them to
say my name.
   
   
  

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
wireless

Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

2020-04-06 Thread Dev

But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard in 
response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication factor, 
sometimes a very high one.

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M speeds.
> 
> In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.  
> 
> First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and 
> remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your 
> prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be defensible 
> if you're questioned about it.
> 
> Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that this 
> is "conservative".  It was a conservative value in the pre-Netflix world so 
> this is another one where they might truly believe it, or they could be lying.
> 
> You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to get a 
> subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.  Most of us 
> will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person at 25meg, but 
> using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show coverage in the 
> entire funding area.
> 
> Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff is 
> not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, and I 
> think it's a case where their engineering was informed by the equipment sales 
> channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they know what they can 
> get away with.
> 
> I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you these 
> are things people often do to make their grant funding applications look 
> defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the applicant is simply 
> wrong.  They're an administrator or a business person and they're just asking 
> the wrong questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll note that each 
> of these lies leaves the person with the ability to point their finger at 
> someone else and say "well that guy told me this equipment could do that."
> 
> In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review the 
> proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys would 
> look at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't quite figure 
> out why that was.but I have some guesses.
> 
> My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to 
> other applicants about what they're doing.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:
>> So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
>> RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out 
>> yet and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I guess what I should have said, they are not Layer 1.   So they are some speed 
of Layer 2 which may or may not work with HDMI over ethernet.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are they not?

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to pause 
Homeland for me.
I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have a cat5 based hdmi 
splitter monitor.  Works well.
But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am way too lazy to 
attempt to fish an insulated concrete foam block wall.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5 screens 
in the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a word.  Yes, 
you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to essentially 
replicate broadcast TV.

It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at 
me in every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted 
house paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report 
thing, I expect them to say my name.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

From: Joe Novak 

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost 
you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have 
it running off a single roku. 

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule 
it makes it very expensive to split it.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

  I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor 
and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.

  Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless


  
  
All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are they not?
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
  

 
  
  
Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my
wife doesn’t have to pause Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room that
does have a cat5 based hdmi splitter monitor.  Works
well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and
I am way too lazy to attempt to fish an insulated
concrete foam block wall.  
  

   
  
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless
  

 
  
  

  That would actually be useful
for the people who have Fox News on 5 screens in
the house so they can walk from room to room
without missing a word.  Yes, you can buy 5
Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to
essentially replicate broadcast TV.
   
  It kind of creeps me out to
have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at me
in every room when I’m working in a customer’s
house.  Like the haunted house paintings where
the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority
Report thing, I expect them to say my name.
   
   
  

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  
   
  

  
I want the two
monitors to be in sync.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From: Joe Novak 


  Sent: Monday, April 6,
  2020 12:43 PM


  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 


  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
  wireless

  


   

  
  

  It
  sounds simpler to buy another roku, to
  be honest. It'll probably cost you
  more in splitting equipment then it's
  worth, unless you really have to have
  it running off a single roku. 
  
 
  
  
HDMI has the digital

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are they not?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp

On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to pause 
Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have a cat5 based hdmi 
splitter monitor.  Works well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am way too lazy to 
attempt to fish an insulated concrete foam block wall.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5 screens 
in the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a word.  Yes, 
you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to essentially 
replicate broadcast TV.

  It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at me 
in every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted house 
paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report thing, I 
expect them to say my name.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

  From: Joe Novak 

  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost you 
more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have it 
running off a single roku. 

  HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule it 
makes it very expensive to split it.

  On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and 
the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.

Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

Cloud is only as good as the people designing the application and
infrastructure to live on the cloud.  I think we have seen this over and
over with vendors, especially Baicells.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:34 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/6/20 12:24, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Didn’t I say this would happen?
> >
> > And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else
> > that this wouldn’t happen.
> >
> > Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down
> > and people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than
> > five minutes.
>
>
> Hooray cloud.
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 4/6/20 12:24, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Didn’t I say this would happen?

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else 
that this wouldn’t happen.


Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down 
and people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than 
five minutes.



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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread Matt Hoppes

Didn’t I say this would happen?

And I was a shored by the vendors, the SAS providers, and everyone else that 
this wouldn’t happen.

Here we are not even really into full production and a provider is down and 
people have customers down because the grounds don’t last more than five 
minutes.

These grants need to at least last 24 hours if not longer, for this type of 
situation.

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM + Federated.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and getting 
>> their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers go down 
>> when that happens.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import 
>> spreadsheet template they just released, two error messages, can’t import to 
>> add SMs or sectors.
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Re: [AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum


I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M speeds.

In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.

First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and 
remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your 
prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be 
defensible if you're questioned about it.


Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that 
this is "conservative".  It /was /a conservative value in the 
pre-Netflix world so this is another one where they might truly believe 
it, or they could be lying.


You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to 
get a subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.  
Most of us will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person 
at 25meg, but using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show 
coverage in the entire funding area.


Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff 
is not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, 
and I think it's a case where their engineering was informed by the 
equipment sales channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they 
know what they can get away with.


I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you 
these are things people often do to make their grant funding 
applications look defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the 
applicant is simply wrong.  They're an administrator or a business 
person and they're just asking the wrong questions. Some of them could 
be liars, but you'll note that each of these lies leaves the person with 
the ability to point their finger at someone else and say "well that guy 
told me this equipment could do that."


In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review 
the proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys 
would look at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't 
quite figure out why that was.but I have some guesses.


My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to 
other applicants about what they're doing.


-Adam


On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:

So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out yet 
and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless


  
  
Would a power line adapter do the trick?

bp



On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  

  I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife
doesn’t have to pause Homeland for me.
  I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have
a cat5 based hdmi splitter monitor.  Works well.
  But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am
way too lazy to attempt to fish an insulated concrete foam
block wall.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
  

 
  
  

  That would actually be useful for the
people who have Fox News on 5 screens in the house so
they can walk from room to room without missing a word. 
Yes, you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet
bandwidth to essentially replicate broadcast TV.
   
  It kind of creeps me out to have Sean
Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at me in every room
when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the
haunted house paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or
some kind of Minority Report thing, I expect them to say
my name.
   
   
  

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  
   
  

  
I want the two monitors to be in
sync.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From: Joe Novak 


  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM


  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  


   

  
  

  It sounds simpler to buy another
  roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost you
  more in splitting equipment then it's worth,
  unless you really have to have it running off
  a single roku. 
  
 
  
  
HDMI has the digital
handshake for copyright protection, as a
general rule it makes it very expensive to
split it.
  


   


  
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at
1:30 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  
I want to take the output of
a roku and split it.  One for the
monitor and the other into a
wireless hdmi extender to a monitor
in a different room.
  
  
Any recommendations on
wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
  

  

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The problem with multiple Roku devices is that there will be a buffer delay
in each device resulting in echos or worse. I have individual rokus on my
TVs as well so I can show all the same or all different depending on what
is going on.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5
> screens in the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a
> word.  Yes, you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to
> essentially replicate broadcast TV.
>
>
>
> It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at
> me in every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted
> house paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report
> thing, I expect them to say my name.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
>
> I want the two monitors to be in sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
>
> It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
> you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
> have it running off a single roku.
>
>
>
> HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule
> it makes it very expensive to split it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:
>
> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and
> the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
>
> Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

2020-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

Mark @ Amplex said he has problems with CNM + Federated.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and
> getting their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers
> go down when that happens.
>
>
>
> Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import
> spreadsheet template they just released, two error messages, can’t import
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to pause 
Homeland for me.
I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have a cat5 based hdmi 
splitter monitor.  Works well.
But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am way too lazy to attempt 
to fish an insulated concrete foam block wall.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5 screens in 
the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a word.  Yes, you 
can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to essentially 
replicate broadcast TV.

It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at me in 
every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted house 
paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report thing, I 
expect them to say my name.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

From: Joe Novak 

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost you 
more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have it 
running off a single roku. 

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule it 
makes it very expensive to split it.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

  I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and 
the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I wish I had CAT5 to the remote location.  It will have to be wireless.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I use this one at both my house and my office. It works very well.  

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Blackbird-Splitter-Extender-Receivers/dp/B06XKX9NR6/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1=blackbird+hdmi+splitter=1586199429=8-4

I think they make a 4 channel one as well if you don't need 8.

Cameron 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:54 PM Josh Luthman  wrote:

  I've used this for a few years.  Input is a Pi and output is two TVs. 

  https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Mini-Splitter-1X2-Supports/dp/B016A8NEJY  

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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:48 PM  wrote:

I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost 
you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have 
it running off a single roku. 

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule 
it makes it very expensive to split it.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

  I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor 
and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
  Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5 screens in 
the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a word.  Yes, you 
can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to essentially 
replicate broadcast TV.

 

It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at me in 
every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted house 
paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report thing, I 
expect them to say my name.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

 

I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

 

From: Joe Novak 

Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

 

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost you 
more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have it 
running off a single roku. 

 

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule it 
makes it very expensive to split it.

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and the 
other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

Here is the x4

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Amplifier-Splitter-Complete-Solution/dp/B00845RYP2/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1=blackbird+hdmi+splitter=1586199520=8-8


It's really X5 as there is an hdmi pass through and 4 cat-6 extenders.



On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I use this one at both my house and my office. It works very well.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Blackbird-Splitter-Extender-Receivers/dp/B06XKX9NR6/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1=blackbird+hdmi+splitter=1586199429=8-4
>
>
> I think they make a 4 channel one as well if you don't need 8.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:54 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I've used this for a few years.  Input is a Pi and output is two TVs.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Mini-Splitter-1X2-Supports/dp/B016A8NEJY
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:48 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I want the two monitors to be in sync.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe Novak
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>>>
>>> It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
>>> you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
>>> have it running off a single roku.
>>>
>>> HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general
>>> rule it makes it very expensive to split it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor
 and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different
 room.
 Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I use this one at both my house and my office. It works very well.

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Blackbird-Splitter-Extender-Receivers/dp/B06XKX9NR6/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1=blackbird+hdmi+splitter=1586199429=8-4


I think they make a 4 channel one as well if you don't need 8.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:54 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've used this for a few years.  Input is a Pi and output is two TVs.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Mini-Splitter-1X2-Supports/dp/B016A8NEJY
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:48 PM  wrote:
>
>> I want the two monitors to be in sync.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>>
>> It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
>> you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
>> have it running off a single roku.
>>
>> HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general
>> rule it makes it very expensive to split it.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor
>>> and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different
>>> room.
>>> Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

2020-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

I've used this for a few years.  Input is a Pi and output is two TVs.

https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Mini-Splitter-1X2-Supports/dp/B016A8NEJY

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 2:48 PM  wrote:

> I want the two monitors to be in sync.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
> It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
> you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
> have it running off a single roku.
>
> HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule
> it makes it very expensive to split it.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:
>
>> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor
>> and the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different
>> room.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

I want the two monitors to be in sync.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost you 
more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to have it 
running off a single roku. 

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule it 
makes it very expensive to split it.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

  I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and 
the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
  Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

2020-04-06 Thread Robert Andrews

I saw a study at a university that correlated Politicians with natural,
convincing liars in high school and it was overwhelmingly true...

On 04/06/2020 08:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
They forage for extra protein (bugs) or so I'm told. I presume if they
ranged a large enough area they could live on just forage, but wouldn't
they be leaner if they spent all day running around looking for seeds
and bugs?

I do enjoy the politician analogy. IMO, the underlying drawback of
democratic processes is that you'll end up being led by people who
honestly believe they're better than everyone else. The person who is
willing to stand in front of a crowd of thousands and declare "vote for
me because I am /clearly/ the best person for this job" is basically
guaranteed to be a narcissist or an idiot. You're probably better off
with the narcissist, but sometimes you'll get the idiot. It would be
best of all if you can get a person who is at once stable, ethical, and
competent, but that's only going to happen 1% of the time. The
narcissists will lie to manipulate people and the idiots will promise
the impossible because they don't know better. Either way they'll say
things voters like better than the nuanced facts of real life.

I'd love some sort of meritocratic control mechanism built into the
process, but it's hard to imagine a way to prevent such a thing from
being corrupted.

On 4/6/2020 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.

Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat
dirt. Cracked corn is indeed cheap. Whenever I go to Farm or
RuralKing, they have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be
popular.

I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she
wanted to raise some ducks. She literally mail ordered ducklings. I
suspect most people would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and
raise their own. Even our local pig farms are not typically
farrow-to-finish, same with cows. Raising the babies and then feeding
them to slaughter tend to be separate specialties.

Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster. I think
politicians are like roosters. Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce
any eggs, aren’t even good eating, but you still need them.

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so..
so you need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized
eggs... and loud and annoying noises ! We have rules in our town you
can't have roosters because the noise bothers neighbors. Texas on the
other hand everyone lives far apart :)

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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >

*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman > wrote:

I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it
will lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they
going to feed them? So Stupid.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226

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Re: [AFMUG] Not saying it's Aliens but...


  
  
Did you say there was an airport behind that ridge of mountains?
  Depending on the time of day, it could have been a weird
  reflection on a slow moving aircraft. Maybe a helicopter?


bp



On 4/6/2020 7:44 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  The one skeeming by mountain is the one which
caught my attention...the bug was just that ...a bug...I will
post a picture from daylight later today
  
  
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 11:04 PM
  Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
My cousins used to have bottle rocket battles.  They'd
  saw the top off of a wiffle ball bat and use that as a
  launcher.  Light a bottle rocket, drop it down your wiffle
  ball bat, and aim it at your brother/friend.  When I saw
  the streaks shooting across the camera that's the first
  thing I thought of.  Then at 0:42 I'm confused.that's
  not a rocket.  The light seems to spawn out of the tarmac.
  

Firefly?


On 4/5/2020 10:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


  On Sunday evenings I check all the cameras
I support...this video is from a PTZ camera at War
Eagles Air Museum.   I saw this light flying by
Franklin's...the city airport is on Eastside of town.
This camera on westside , other side of mountain.
It's a Hikvision PTZ camera.
  
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

2020-04-06 Thread Joe Novak

It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
have it running off a single roku.

HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule
it makes it very expensive to split it.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:

> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and
> the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
> Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] Not saying it's Aliens but...

2020-04-06 Thread Robert Andrews


Looked like a helicopter to me...

On 04/06/2020 07:44 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The one skeeming by mountain is the one which caught my attention...the 
bug was just that ...a bug...I will post a picture from daylight later today


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 11:04 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


My cousins used to have bottle rocket battles.  They'd saw the top
off of a wiffle ball bat and use that as a launcher.  Light a bottle
rocket, drop it down your wiffle ball bat, and aim it at your
brother/friend.  When I saw the streaks shooting across the camera
that's the first thing I thought of.  Then at 0:42 I'm
confused.that's not a rocket.  The light seems to spawn out of
the tarmac.

Firefly?


On 4/5/2020 10:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

On Sunday evenings I check all the cameras I support...this video
is from a PTZ camera at War Eagles Air Museum.   I saw this light
flying by Franklin's...the city airport is on Eastside of town.
This camera on westside , other side of mountain.
It's a Hikvision PTZ camera.

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[AFMUG] anybody else having Cambium CBRS issues this afternoon?

I have multiple sectors apparently having SAS heartbeat timeouts and getting
their grants terminated.  Which is bad, bad, bad, because customers go down
when that happens.

 

Separate but unrelated, I am having problems with v14 of the import
spreadsheet template they just released, two error messages, can't import to
add SMs or sectors.

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[AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

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[AFMUG] RDOF 25/3 spectrum

2020-04-06 Thread Dev

So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out yet 
and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

Feral chickens.  
Feral roosters can be dangerous.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

A half dozen checkens could forage the back yard of a 1/2 acre fine I think. I 
have lived around them before, I just think most that are buying them have no 
idea what they are getting into. I predict massive chicken flocks roaming the 
streets in a few weeks...until they are made into chicken fajitas or road kill.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:00 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  They forage for extra protein (bugs) or so I'm told.  I presume if they 
ranged a large enough area they could live on just forage, but wouldn't they be 
leaner if they spent all day running around looking for seeds and bugs?

  I do enjoy the politician analogy.  IMO, the underlying drawback of 
democratic processes is that you'll end up being led by people who honestly 
believe they're better than everyone else.  The person who is willing to stand 
in front of a crowd of thousands and declare "vote for me because I am clearly 
the best person for this job" is basically guaranteed to be a narcissist or an 
idiot.  You're probably better off with the narcissist, but sometimes you'll 
get the idiot.  It would be best of all if you can get a person who is at once 
stable, ethical, and competent, but that's only going to happen 1% of the time. 
 The narcissists will lie to manipulate people and the idiots will promise the 
impossible because they don't know better.  Either way they'll say things 
voters like better than the nuanced facts of real life.

  I'd love some sort of meritocratic control mechanism built into the process, 
but it's hard to imagine a way to prevent such a thing from being corrupted. 

  On 4/6/2020 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.

Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat dirt.  
Cracked corn is indeed cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or RuralKing, they 
have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be popular.

I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she wanted to 
raise some ducks.  She literally mail ordered ducklings.  I suspect most people 
would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and raise their own.  Even our 
local pig farms are not typically farrow-to-finish, same with cows.  Raising 
the babies and then feeding them to slaughter tend to be separate specialties.

Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster.  I think politicians 
are like roosters.  Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce any eggs, aren’t even 
good eating, but you still need them.

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To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so 
you need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs... and 
loud and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have roosters 
because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the other hand everyone lives 
far apart :) 

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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will  
lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed them? 
So Stupid.

  On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226

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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

2020-04-06 Thread Steve Jones

i had yard chickens for a while. theyll eat everything, i particularly
enjoyed feeding them chicken. I really wanted to get a rooster and hatch
one of the chicks to feed to its mother. they ate pretty much every bug on
my property, hung out in my tree and on the garage roof, but other than
ocasionally getting them chicken feed they live fine on leftovers

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:16 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> A half dozen checkens could forage the back yard of a 1/2 acre fine I
> think. I have lived around them before, I just think most that are buying
> them have no idea what they are getting into. I predict massive chicken
> flocks roaming the streets in a few weeks...until they are made into
> chicken fajitas or road kill.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:00 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> They forage for extra protein (bugs) or so I'm told.  I presume if they
>> ranged a large enough area they could live on just forage, but wouldn't
>> they be leaner if they spent all day running around looking for seeds and
>> bugs?
>>
>> I do enjoy the politician analogy.  IMO, the underlying drawback of
>> democratic processes is that you'll end up being led by people who honestly
>> believe they're better than everyone else.  The person who is willing to
>> stand in front of a crowd of thousands and declare "vote for me because I
>> am *clearly* the best person for this job" is basically guaranteed to be
>> a narcissist or an idiot.  You're probably better off with the narcissist,
>> but sometimes you'll get the idiot.  It would be best of all if you can get
>> a person who is at once stable, ethical, and competent, but that's only
>> going to happen 1% of the time.  The narcissists will lie to manipulate
>> people and the idiots will promise the impossible because they don't know
>> better.  Either way they'll say things voters like better than the nuanced
>> facts of real life.
>>
>> I'd love some sort of meritocratic control mechanism built into the
>> process, but it's hard to imagine a way to prevent such a thing from being
>> corrupted.
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2020 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat
>> dirt.  Cracked corn is indeed cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or
>> RuralKing, they have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be
>> popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she wanted
>> to raise some ducks.  She literally mail ordered ducklings.  I suspect most
>> people would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and raise their own.
>> Even our local pig farms are not typically farrow-to-finish, same with
>> cows.  Raising the babies and then feeding them to slaughter tend to be
>> separate specialties.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster.  I think
>> politicians are like roosters.  Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce any
>> eggs, aren’t even good eating, but you still need them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
>> *To:* af  
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic
>>
>>
>>
>> They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so
>> you need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs...
>> and loud and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have
>> roosters because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the other hand
>> everyone lives far apart :)
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will
>> lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed
>> them? So Stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

2020-04-06 Thread Steve Jones

Im only going grocery shopping once per week if we have to. Is every place
out of chicken thighs?

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> haha, is that a true story or just a joke?
> On 4/6/2020 11:24 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Well there was a line to get into our neighborhood store...a young guy
> tries to get to front of line, old lady screaming at him when an old man
> hits him with his cane!   The kid yells at them...if you don't let me
> through I can't open the store!!
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:03 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery stores
>> by us mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours after opening.  You
>> see some people who are clearly not seniors but not many people seem
>> motivated to grocery shop that early.
>>
>> A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store seemed
>> pretty crowded, but I think it might correlate to some people getting
>> checks the first of the month or maybe getting their SNAP cards refilled or
>> something.  So maybe avoid the first couple days of the month.
>>
>> Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery item no
>> other place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I think I heard that
>> some big stores like Walmart are going to make aisles one-way and limit the
>> number of people in the store.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping
>>
>> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half hour
>> before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening time
>> there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any other
>> time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these are my
>> go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in the house
>> with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>>
>> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie.
>> Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

2020-04-06 Thread Lewis Bergman

A half dozen checkens could forage the back yard of a 1/2 acre fine I
think. I have lived around them before, I just think most that are buying
them have no idea what they are getting into. I predict massive chicken
flocks roaming the streets in a few weeks...until they are made into
chicken fajitas or road kill.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:00 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They forage for extra protein (bugs) or so I'm told.  I presume if they
> ranged a large enough area they could live on just forage, but wouldn't
> they be leaner if they spent all day running around looking for seeds and
> bugs?
>
> I do enjoy the politician analogy.  IMO, the underlying drawback of
> democratic processes is that you'll end up being led by people who honestly
> believe they're better than everyone else.  The person who is willing to
> stand in front of a crowd of thousands and declare "vote for me because I
> am *clearly* the best person for this job" is basically guaranteed to be
> a narcissist or an idiot.  You're probably better off with the narcissist,
> but sometimes you'll get the idiot.  It would be best of all if you can get
> a person who is at once stable, ethical, and competent, but that's only
> going to happen 1% of the time.  The narcissists will lie to manipulate
> people and the idiots will promise the impossible because they don't know
> better.  Either way they'll say things voters like better than the nuanced
> facts of real life.
>
> I'd love some sort of meritocratic control mechanism built into the
> process, but it's hard to imagine a way to prevent such a thing from being
> corrupted.
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.
>
>
>
> Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat dirt.
> Cracked corn is indeed cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or RuralKing,
> they have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be popular.
>
>
>
> I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she wanted to
> raise some ducks.  She literally mail ordered ducklings.  I suspect most
> people would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and raise their own.
> Even our local pig farms are not typically farrow-to-finish, same with
> cows.  Raising the babies and then feeding them to slaughter tend to be
> separate specialties.
>
>
>
> Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster.  I think
> politicians are like roosters.  Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce any
> eggs, aren’t even good eating, but you still need them.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
> *To:* af  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic
>
>
>
> They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so
> you need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs...
> and loud and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have
> roosters because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the other hand
> everyone lives far apart :)
>
>
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> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic
>
>
>
> Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will
> lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed
> them? So Stupid.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226
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Re: [AFMUG] $3.5 million PPE deal in McDonalds parking lot

It's getting ridiculous.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 11:59 AM  wrote:

> I got my photo taken by someone this morning.  Doing a pre construction
> walk through in SLC on a Verizon job.  Myself and my guys were there with
> their PPE, I even had a mask on.  One of the UofU guys came over and said
> that someone was taking our photo and that we might want to distance a bit
> more.  He was right, we were all looking at documents etc and were probably
> more like 3-4’ of separation.  I hope I am not on the front page of the SL
> Tribune tomorrow morning.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 8:22 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] $3.5 million PPE deal in McDonalds parking lot
>
>
> So this is how states buy masks these days.  Normally I’d say it’s just
> corrupt Illinois politics, but apparently this is the new normal.
>
>
>
>
> https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/3/21207488/coronavirus-illinois-medical-supplies-wild-west
>
>
>
> Reportedly the caper where the New England Patriots owner flew in $1.2
> million of N95 asks and other PPE from China was along the same lines.  You
> need to know a guy in China, you need to be able to deliver the cash, you
> need to know a guy with an airplane, and you need to disguise it as a
> private purchase not by a state or else the feds will seize it for their
> own stockpile and decide which states are on their nice and naughty list.
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Re: [AFMUG] $3.5 million PPE deal in McDonalds parking lot

I got my photo taken by someone this morning.  Doing a pre construction walk 
through in SLC on a Verizon job.  Myself and my guys were there with their PPE, 
I even had a mask on.  One of the UofU guys came over and said that someone was 
taking our photo and that we might want to distance a bit more.  He was right, 
we were all looking at documents etc and were probably more like 3-4’ of 
separation.  I hope I am not on the front page of the SL Tribune tomorrow 
morning.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:22 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] $3.5 million PPE deal in McDonalds parking lot

So this is how states buy masks these days.  Normally I’d say it’s just corrupt 
Illinois politics, but apparently this is the new normal.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/3/21207488/coronavirus-illinois-medical-supplies-wild-west

 

Reportedly the caper where the New England Patriots owner flew in $1.2 million 
of N95 asks and other PPE from China was along the same lines.  You need to 
know a guy in China, you need to be able to deliver the cash, you need to know 
a guy with an airplane, and you need to disguise it as a private purchase not 
by a state or else the feds will seize it for their own stockpile and decide 
which states are on their nice and naughty list.




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[AFMUG] Ubnt AC Prism connectorized SM's

2020-04-06 Thread Sam Lambie

What model are people using to add higher gain dishes to CPE? i.e 2 foot
dish and Bullet AC? Prism AC basestation? Something else that I haven't
seen?

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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

They forage for extra protein (bugs) or so I'm told.  I presume if they 
ranged a large enough area they could live on just forage, but wouldn't 
they be leaner if they spent all day running around looking for seeds 
and bugs?


I do enjoy the politician analogy.  IMO, the underlying drawback of 
democratic processes is that you'll end up being led by people who 
honestly believe they're better than everyone else.  The person who is 
willing to stand in front of a crowd of thousands and declare "vote for 
me because I am /clearly/ the best person for this job" is basically 
guaranteed to be a narcissist or an idiot.  You're probably better off 
with the narcissist, but sometimes you'll get the idiot.  It would be 
best of all if you can get a person who is at once stable, ethical, and 
competent, but that's only going to happen 1% of the time.  The 
narcissists will lie to manipulate people and the idiots will promise 
the impossible because they don't know better.  Either way they'll say 
things voters like better than the nuanced facts of real life.


I'd love some sort of meritocratic control mechanism built into the 
process, but it's hard to imagine a way to prevent such a thing from 
being corrupted.



On 4/6/2020 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.

Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat 
dirt.  Cracked corn is indeed cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or 
RuralKing, they have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be 
popular.


I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she 
wanted to raise some ducks.  She literally mail ordered ducklings.  I 
suspect most people would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and 
raise their own. Even our local pig farms are not typically 
farrow-to-finish, same with cows.  Raising the babies and then feeding 
them to slaughter tend to be separate specialties.


Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster.  I think 
politicians are like roosters.  Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce 
any eggs, aren’t even good eating, but you still need them.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. 
so you need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized 
eggs... and loud and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you 
can't have roosters because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the 
other hand everyone lives far apart :)


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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >

*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman > wrote:


I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it
will  lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they
going to feed them? So Stupid.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226

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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic


  
  
A couple of our neighbors raise chickens. They buy female chicks
  2 dozen at a time. They tell me 2 dozen is the minimum order from
  the outlets they use. They come overnight in a box, and they
  usually throw in 2 or 3 extra to cover any shipping deaths and the
  occasional rooster that sneaks though the screening.

They tell me the chickens will produce eggs reliably for a year
  or two. After that, they are chicken soup.


bp



On 4/6/2020 8:34 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I guess feeding them is cheap, literally
  “chicken feed”.
 
Maybe people see chickens pecking at the
  ground and assume they eat dirt.  Cracked corn is indeed
  cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or RuralKing, they
  have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be
  popular.
 
I remember when my daughter still lived
  with us, she decided she wanted to raise some ducks.  She
  literally mail ordered ducklings.  I suspect most people would
  buy chicks rather than have a rooster and raise their own. 
  Even our local pig farms are not typically farrow-to-finish,
  same with cows.  Raising the babies and then feeding them to
  slaughter tend to be separate specialties.
 
Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of
  a rooster.  I think politicians are like roosters.  Noisy,
  self absorbed, don’t produce any eggs, aren’t even good
  eating, but you still need them.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steven
  Kenney
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens
  during pandemic
  

 

  
They
don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year
or so.. so you need roosters and if you have roosters
you can have fertilized eggs... and loud and annoying
noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have
roosters because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on
the other hand everyone lives far apart :) 
  
  
 
  
  
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From:
"Jaime
Solorza" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding
chickens during pandemic
  
  
 
  
  

  Yep...and
  worse...the smell of chicken shit

 

  
On
Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:
  
  

  I
  wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a
  chicken so it will  lay eggs. Where are they going
  to house them, what are they going to feed them?
  So Stupid.

 

  
On
Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
  
  

  
https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping


haha, is that a true story or just a joke?

On 4/6/2020 11:24 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Well there was a line to get into our neighborhood store...a young guy 
tries to get to front of line, old lady screaming at him when an old 
man hits him with his cane!   The kid yells at them...if you don't let 
me through I can't open the store!!


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:03 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery
stores by us mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours
after opening.  You see some people who are clearly not seniors
but not many people seem motivated to grocery shop that early.

A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store
seemed pretty crowded, but I think it might correlate to some
people getting checks the first of the month or maybe getting
their SNAP cards refilled or something.  So maybe avoid the first
couple days of the month.

Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery
item no other place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I
think I heard that some big stores like Walmart are going to make
aisles one-way and limit the number of people in the store.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or
half hour before closing then I'm just about the only one there.
At opening time there are always several people waiting for the
doors to open.  Any other time there seems to be a steady flow of
people in and out so these are my go-to times. Just thought I'd
share that.  I have 3 people in the house with asthma so I'm
trying to do my diligence.

Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate
pie. Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?



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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

I guess feeding them is cheap, literally “chicken feed”.

 

Maybe people see chickens pecking at the ground and assume they eat dirt.  
Cracked corn is indeed cheap.  Whenever I go to Farm or RuralKing, they 
have lots of bags of chicken feed, so chickens must be popular.

 

I remember when my daughter still lived with us, she decided she wanted to 
raise some ducks.  She literally mail ordered ducklings.  I suspect most people 
would buy chicks rather than have a rooster and raise their own.  Even our 
local pig farms are not typically farrow-to-finish, same with cows.  Raising 
the babies and then feeding them to slaughter tend to be separate specialties.

 

Some people say Mick Jagger reminds them of a rooster.  I think politicians are 
like roosters.  Noisy, self absorbed, don’t produce any eggs, aren’t even good 
eating, but you still need them.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:58 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

 

They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so you 
need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs... and loud 
and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have roosters 
because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the other hand everyone lives 
far apart :) 

 

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From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

 

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit

 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will  lay 
eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed them? So 
Stupid.

 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-04-06 Thread dave via AF

Not all only the ones that are more West facing on a mt side. The 
lightning there can be very impacting.
The ones that have back up gennys do just fine during storms because 
most of the time the power is broken due to a fuse or breaker somewhere 
down the line.
The others that have no genny and have a battery back up source we will 
drop that source if there is approaching storm within 3 mile or less.

Takes about 10-15 min the storm will move out and power can be restored.



On 4/3/20 2:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Dave,

You power all your DC sites down during lightning storms?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:40 PM Josh Baird > wrote:


What are you using for DC surge suppression at the top and bottom?

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:23 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


We dont do batteries for our larger sites that have 4 or more
of these we have mostly 3Ghz medusas.
Its Genny or nothing. Until I can get a perfected lightning
detector for an all battery backup site I just dont do it
anymore.
Its too risky for continuous run during a lightning storm. Too
many dc factors to cause overload or damage.
You may get away with doing 10awg for 2. I just know for 6 I
had have a minimal of 8awg which included 4 450m 3Ghz and 2
450m 5Ghz
We ran all the cables into a tower top enclosure which
included a hardened switch and packetflux rack injector for
timing using dinrails and buss bar
to keep everything in order and some din rail mounted lugs to
distribute power and fuse buss we also installed a transtector
48v dc arrestor top and bottom for
the main line protection. We also included all Lpus for each
medusa for both Dc line and ethernet.

The site has been in play for a while now with out issue.

Hope this will help others trying to deploy these big guys.
Using the large riser wire 8awg is not over kill for the
medusa at all just do some simple surge protection top and
bottom and everything should be fine.
I mean I think about how we just spent $ on a single
medusa why not give it what it needs to perform and sustain.

Plus if you ever expand the site with other gear it needs
power too.



On 4/2/20 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65
or 70W.  Maybe the 80W number is at startup or extremes of
temperature or something.

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via
POE over cables right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet. 
So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG wires in parallel.  2 in
parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel is
equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to
1 x 18 AWG.  So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG
is needed.

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares
me.  That’s a lot of batteries.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX
port).  This is about 1.6A @ 48V.

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8%
resulting in 54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should
run just fine at 54.5V according to the spec sheet.

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still
should be fine using 12AWG @ 250ft.

What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6
450i or something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min
by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even
with #10 hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss
in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that
48vDC those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to
everything and #8 stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the

Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

I use the portal provided by Epcom...works great for me. .

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 5:52 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> if you're going to do cameras you probably going to have to use a cloud
> video service to be able to access the NVR behind the cell nat
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 7:45 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Hikvision NVR, One PTZ and three fixed...all IP
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 8:22 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not bad if you can run a bunch of remote cameras off of that.  What cams
>>> and NVR do you have on that job?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 5, 2020 8:14 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
>>>
>>> Cradlepoint was around $700.00.  $45.00 a month unlimited
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 2:23 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 What does that cost?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

 
 We have four cameras and NVR on a Cradlepoint under T-Mobile.   Test
 speeds over 50 most of the time.  No issues with cameras even PTZ is
 responsive...in place since 2018.

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 10:24 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> how do u get through cellular nat?
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> We use cradle point ARC CBA850. Very stable solution and has always
>> worked for OOB.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> awesome, good info.
>>>
>>> hologram might not be the cheapest, but they have one of the easiest
>>> ways to punch through the cellular nat...
>>>
>>> 1NCE looks amazing but how do you get sims? they don't ship to usa...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM  wrote:
>>>
 FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is
 10 euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 
 500 MB.
 Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.

 There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data
 amounts. Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year 
 capped
 at 64 kbps.

 Jared


 *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
 *From:* "TJ Trout" 
 *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
 All,

 I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying.

 I have options for oob IP and or console access.

 Wondering what you guys do / best practices.

 I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the
 acm by tunneling through their nat.

 Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.

 The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment
 during an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access.

 TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

Well there was a line to get into our neighborhood store...a young guy
tries to get to front of line, old lady screaming at him when an old man
hits him with his cane!   The kid yells at them...if you don't let me
through I can't open the store!!

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:03 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery stores by
> us mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours after opening.  You
> see some people who are clearly not seniors but not many people seem
> motivated to grocery shop that early.
>
> A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store seemed
> pretty crowded, but I think it might correlate to some people getting
> checks the first of the month or maybe getting their SNAP cards refilled or
> something.  So maybe avoid the first couple days of the month.
>
> Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery item no
> other place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I think I heard that
> some big stores like Walmart are going to make aisles one-way and limit the
> number of people in the store.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping
>
> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half hour
> before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening time
> there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any other
> time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these are my
> go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in the house
> with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>
> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie. Why
> you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

2020-04-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I just keep throwing the chicken guts toward the neighbors hen house.   One of 
these days I’ll get that pack of coyotes to kill that damn rooster.

Mark

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Steven Kenney  wrote:
> 
> They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so you 
> need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs... and 
> loud and annoying noises !  We have rules in our town you can't have roosters 
> because the noise bothers neighbors.  Texas on the other hand everyone lives 
> far apart :) 
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> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic
> 
> Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit
> 
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
> I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will  lay 
> eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed them? 
> So Stupid.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226
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Re: [AFMUG] Not saying it's Aliens but...


  
  
+1 We see things like that on our IR cameras. Bugs, moths, bats,
  and the like.

bp



On 4/6/2020 3:06 AM, Forrest Christian
  (List Account) wrote:


  
  Wimps.  I can't tell you how many bottle rockets I
launched when I was younger by holding the stick loosely in one
hand and lighting it with a lighter in the other one.  Ala.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPDZcdofOk8


You also could just buy the packs at the small town grocery
  store.  Still don't know how that worked as none of us were
  old enough to buy them.   Like I'm guessing around middle
  school age, maybe a bit younger or older.  Plus they were
  definitely illegal in Utah at the time the store was selling
  them.   


On the video: I get similar nearby streaks on my cameras, I
  think it's the infrared lighting up bugs which are flying near
  the camera.   It's bad enough that I'm going to move to a
  different illuminator than the one inbuilt in the cameras,
  since I sometimes get a nice swarm so bad that I can't see
  anything else.
  
  
  
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:04
  PM Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
My cousins used to have bottle rocket battles.  They'd
  saw the top off of a wiffle ball bat and use that as a
  launcher.  Light a bottle rocket, drop it down your wiffle
  ball bat, and aim it at your brother/friend.  When I saw
  the streaks shooting across the camera that's the first
  thing I thought of.  Then at 0:42 I'm confused.that's
  not a rocket.  The light seems to spawn out of the tarmac.
  

Firefly?


On 4/5/2020 10:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


  On Sunday evenings I check all the cameras
I support...this video is from a PTZ camera at War
Eagles Air Museum.   I saw this light flying by
Franklin's...the city airport is on Eastside of town.
This camera on westside , other side of mountain.
It's a Hikvision PTZ camera.
  
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

I went at 6am this morning and it was fairly quiet.  The grocery stores by us 
mostly have "senior hours" the first 1 or 2 hours after opening.  You see some 
people who are clearly not seniors but not many people seem motivated to 
grocery shop that early.

A few days ago I was concerned that even at 7am the grocery store seemed pretty 
crowded, but I think it might correlate to some people getting checks the first 
of the month or maybe getting their SNAP cards refilled or something.  So maybe 
avoid the first couple days of the month.

Also I made a trip about a week ago to Walmart for one grocery item no other 
place carries, but I felt it was too crowded.  I think I heard that some big 
stores like Walmart are going to make aisles one-way and limit the number of 
people in the store. 


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half hour 
before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening time there 
are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any other time there 
seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these are my go-to times.  
Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in the house with asthma so I'm 
trying to do my diligence.

Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie. Why you 
guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?



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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

2020-04-06 Thread Steven Kenney

They don't live that long too so you only get eggs for a year or so.. so you 
need roosters and if you have roosters you can have fertilized eggs... and loud 
and annoying noises ! We have rules in our town you can't have roosters because 
the noise bothers neighbors. Texas on the other hand everyone lives far apart 
:) 

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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:53:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic 

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman < [ mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
| lewis.berg...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 



I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will lay 
eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed them? So 
Stupid. 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

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Re: [AFMUG] Texans begin hoarding chickens during pandemic

Yep...and worse...the smell of chicken shit

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 10:52 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I wonder if they understand what it takes to raise a chicken so it will
> lay eggs. Where are they going to house them, what are they going to feed
> them? So Stupid.
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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>> https://www.newsweek.com/texans-begin-hoarding-chickens-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1496226
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Re: [AFMUG] Not saying it's Aliens but...

The one skeeming by mountain is the one which caught my attention...the bug
was just that ...a bug...I will post a picture from daylight later today

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 11:04 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> My cousins used to have bottle rocket battles.  They'd saw the top off of
> a wiffle ball bat and use that as a launcher.  Light a bottle rocket, drop
> it down your wiffle ball bat, and aim it at your brother/friend.  When I
> saw the streaks shooting across the camera that's the first thing I thought
> of.  Then at 0:42 I'm confused.that's not a rocket.  The light seems to
> spawn out of the tarmac.
>
> Firefly?
>
>
> On 4/5/2020 10:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> On Sunday evenings I check all the cameras I support...this video is from
> a PTZ camera at War Eagles Air Museum.   I saw this light flying by
> Franklin's...the city airport is on Eastside of town. This camera on
> westside , other side of mountain.
> It's a Hikvision PTZ camera.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shopping

Better question is who puts chocolate pie on their actual list?  Isn't that
the kind of thing you buy on a whim and feel guilty about?



On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half
> hour before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening
> time there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any
> other time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these
> are my go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in
> the house with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.
>
> Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie.
> Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?
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[AFMUG] $3.5 million PPE deal in McDonalds parking lot

So this is how states buy masks these days.  Normally I'd say it's just
corrupt Illinois politics, but apparently this is the new normal.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/3/21207488/coronavirus-illin
ois-medical-supplies-wild-west

 

Reportedly the caper where the New England Patriots owner flew in $1.2
million of N95 asks and other PPE from China was along the same lines.  You
need to know a guy in China, you need to be able to deliver the cash, you
need to know a guy with an airplane, and you need to disguise it as a
private purchase not by a state or else the feds will seize it for their own
stockpile and decide which states are on their nice and naughty list.

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[AFMUG] OT: Shopping

If I go to the local grocery store a half hour after opening or half 
hour before closing then I'm just about the only one there. At opening 
time there are always several people waiting for the doors to open.  Any 
other time there seems to be a steady flow of people in and out so these 
are my go-to times.  Just thought I'd share that.  I have 3 people in 
the house with asthma so I'm trying to do my diligence.


Last night they had everything on my list except TP and chocolate pie.  
Why you guys hoarding the chocolate pie now?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

This is a type A cable.  Now imagine this was just a flat ribbon fiber and
you bent it in a U without twisting the ribbon placing both MPOs on top of
each other.  Both Keys would be UP and fibers would be straight through.

If you then took two identical cassettes and plugged them in, pairs would
match up (wouldn't matter what the cassettes were but you might as well use
straight through)
[image: Screen Shot 2020-04-06 at 8.37.47 AM.png]

If you wanted to use a duplex SFP, you would just need to flip the polarity
on one of your patch cables.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:37 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Type A Female to Female cable.
 Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
 default for FS and most cassettes)

 That's it.

 Not rocket science.

 On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
> cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
> around it.
>
> They recommended this:
>
> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
> ends, Type "A" polarity)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
> cassette)
>
> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match
> on TX/RX.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
>> ordering
>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
>> Rx
>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but
>> you linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright 
>> or
>> have spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and
>> you'll be fine.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>
>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
>> BiDi
>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes 
>> that
>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>> experience with BiDi.
>>
>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>
>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged
>>> outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>
>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower
>>> Top enclosure to each radio SFP
>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>
>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
>>> use
>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
>>> the
>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I just drew it out and checked my last order - all type A.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:31 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> Not rocket science.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the
 cassettes as recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head
 around it.

 They recommended this:

 * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
 ends, Type "A" polarity)
 * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
 * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
 cassette)

 They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
 TX/RX.

 Does this sound right?


 On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when 
> ordering
> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match 
> Rx
> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or 
> have
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
> be fine.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use 
> BiDi
> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
> experience with BiDi.
>
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
>> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged
>> outdoor version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower
>> Top enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
>> use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
>> the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 
>> with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug 
>> it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I'm confusing myself.  Let me pull up a diagram.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:29 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Type A Female to Female cable.
>> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
>> default for FS and most cassettes)
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Not rocket science.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>>
>>> They recommended this:
>>>
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>>> cassette)
>>>
>>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>>> TX/RX.
>>>
>>> Does this sound right?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
 you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
 BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
 on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 Mark

 On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

 I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
 linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
 spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
 be fine.

 Jared


 *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
 *From:* "Josh Baird" 
 *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
 Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..

 Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
 cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
 SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
 correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
 are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
 experience with BiDi.

 [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
 [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
> use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
> the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 
> with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug 
> it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
> guess it could make sense.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird 
> wrote:
>
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
>> are talking about?  I'm trying to

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

hold on- A is key up to key down.  You want the keys the same so you want a
Type B cable.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:26 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Type A Female to Female cable.
> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
> default for FS and most cassettes)
>
> That's it.
>
> Not rocket science.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>
>> They recommended this:
>>
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>> cassette)
>>
>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>> TX/RX.
>>
>> Does this sound right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
 what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.

 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
 https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
 available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
 https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
 version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)

 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
 Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
 https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
 enclosure to each radio SFP
 https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856

 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
 multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
 conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
 a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
 ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
 with Medusa AP's.

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G

 I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
 enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
 the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
 fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
 into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
 standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.

 I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
 it could make sense.

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
> are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.
>> I went

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Got it, thanks for the hand holding.  :)

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Type A Female to Female cable.
> Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
> default for FS and most cassettes)
>
> That's it.
>
> Not rocket science.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
>> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>>
>> They recommended this:
>>
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
>> ends, Type "A" polarity)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
>> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
>> cassette)
>>
>> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
>> TX/RX.
>>
>> Does this sound right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
>>> you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>>
>>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>>> experience with BiDi.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
 what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.

 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
 https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
 available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
 https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
 version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)

 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
 Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
 https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
 enclosure to each radio SFP
 https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856

 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
 multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
 conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
 a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
 ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
 with Medusa AP's.

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G

 I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
 enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
 the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
 fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
 into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
 standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.

 I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
 it could make sense.

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
> are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.
>> I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Type A Female to Female cable.
Type A cassettes on BOTH ends.  (Male pins in the cassettes which is
default for FS and most cassettes)

That's it.

Not rocket science.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:23 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
> recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.
>
> They recommended this:
>
> * https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both
> ends, Type "A" polarity)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
> * https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF
> cassette)
>
> They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
> TX/RX.
>
> Does this sound right?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
>> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
>> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
>> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
>> be fine.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
>> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>>
>> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
>> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
>> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
>> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
>> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
>> experience with BiDi.
>>
>> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>>
>>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>>
>>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
>>> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>>
>>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>>
>>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>>> with Medusa AP's.
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>>
>>>
>>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>>
>>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>>> it could make sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you
 are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
> Telrad).  I went with individual

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Yes, exactly.  If you are doing BiDi, you want straight through.  Not that
cross pair won't work, but fiber 1 on one end won't match up with 1 on the
other etc.  If you use all straight through cables, cassettes etc
everything works.  They did the same thing to me on my first order so I
have one building where pairs are really hard to trace.


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Carl,
>
> FS is recommending that I choose "Type C Cross-Pair" for polarity when
> ordering the MPT trunk cable.  Are you saying this is incorrect and I
> should choose "Type A Straight Thru"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend using SCA  cassettes and SCA-SCU OD patch cables. (or SCU
>> cassettes and SCU-SCU cables)  I've got a source in SC that builds the
>> patch cables out of 4.8MM OD cable - You can also source them from Corning
>> etc.  Much easier to get an outdoor simplex patch cable in SC rather than
>> LC.  We've standardized on SCA for our plant because we do a lot of
>> GPON and that is the defacto standard.
>>
>> If you are new to MPO/MPT, pay attention to male/female pins and to
>> polarity.  They will try to get you to do A on one end and B on the other
>> because they don't understand that you want it for BiDi and want straight
>> through.  Use A on both ends for straight through.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:28 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Yeah, I meant to link to a SM cassette (not MM).
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark & Jared.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
 In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure
 you have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
 BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
 on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.

 Mark

 On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

 I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
 linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
 spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
 be fine.

 Jared


 *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
 *From:* "Josh Baird" 
 *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
 Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..

 Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
 cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
 SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
 correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
 are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
 experience with BiDi.

 [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
 [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html

 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this
> is what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex
> Cassette" (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and 
> use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from 
> the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea 
> with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug 
> it
> into the Cassettes and everything

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

So - I don't think it's possible to use BiDI when using the cassettes as
recommended by FS.. but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

They recommended this:

* https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html (12fiber, MTP female on both ends,
Type "A" polarity)
* https://www.fs.com/products/57016.html on one end (Type A cassette)
* https://www.fs.com/products/57037.html on the other end (Type AF cassette)

They also said that BiDI will not work due to the polarity mis-match on
TX/RX.

Does this sound right?


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In addition to Jared’s comment (don’t mix SM and MM fiber), make sure you
> have the correct connectors at each end.   Also make sure when ordering
> BiDi optics that you pair them correctly.   Tx on one end needs to match Rx
> on the other.   You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>
> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you
> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have
> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll
> be fine.
>
> Jared
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
> *From:* "Josh Baird" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower
> Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..
>
> Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex
> cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi
> SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio.  If I use the
> correct BiDi SFP's, will I have any issues using the duplex cassettes that
> are linked here?  I have always just used duplex fiber+SFPs and have no
> experience with BiDi.
>
> [1] https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
> [2] https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:23 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
 went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
 be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
 radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
 Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
 replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
 splice or terminate fiber.

 Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
 tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
 have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

2020-04-06 Thread Josh Luthman

FWIW I'd say we're at 99% success with link tests.  Maybe an error here or
there that I can't recall, but otherwise it's massively reliable.

On the flip side the Ubnt test wouldn't work if either side was up for too
long, so maybe I got used to that and anything that worked when I asked it
to is such a refreshing change of pace.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 5:10 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> No QOS in the AP's or SM's for ePMP.
>
> Its like we get a random bad batch of them that don't like speed tests.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:59:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests
>
> If you are using the QOS in the AP, I think the linktest will only use
> what is not already consumed by the SM.  It's not intrusive like the
> FSK/450 test was.
>
> On an SM with no other traffic, I always see the linktest to be what the
> QOS is set to.
>
> I have just started upgrading sites to 4.4.3, and have some EPMP3000 AP's
> out there.  Randomly now, I will have an sm return 'linktest failed' when
> testing an EPMP1000SM to and EPMP3000 AP.   Then the next text will work
> fine.
>
> On 4/2/2020 1:53 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
> This has not been our experience. We do not rate-limit at the SM. We
> primarily rate-limit PPPoE at the core. We've found that our speedtest are
> usually 10-15% below the linktest results.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:30 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> No example we'll get link tests at 80Mbps or higher and then their
>> package is set to 25Mbps.  We can see they are doing 20Mbps during the
>> evenings etc.  But when we go do a speed test anywhere it'll be 8 no matter
>> what.
>>
>> I've confirmed the shaping of their connection is set to 100% to be
>> sure.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < 
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:23:59 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests
>>
>> Linktest you mean?  I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity.
>> I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney < 
>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their
>>> speed tests?  Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable,
>>> and we see customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests!  It
>>> won't matter where we run the speed tests,  they are always low.
>>>
>>> It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios.  Not all.  Mainly on 4.4.3
>>> firmware.
>>>
>>> We have been scratching our heads on this one.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower